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  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    Oct. 31, 2011 9:33 a.m.

    Please no! After Saturday's performance it's very clear this team/program is not ready for high-level football on a weekly basis.
    1) There is no fire in this mature offensive line.
    2) Special teams continues to be an issue on a weekly basis. From kickoffs out of bounds, to 20yd punts, to off target hikes. Every week is something new.
    3) Coaching staff continues to have clock management issues.
    4) Turnovers continue to plague this team. Poor decisions, poor coaching.

    Stick with the Indy status and continue to ride the ESPN gravy train until they choose to bolt to someone else. Lesser known recruites at other organizations continue to eat our lunch on a weekly basis.

  • chubbuckidahocougfan Chubbuck, Idaho
    Oct. 31, 2011 9:40 a.m.

    Can someone please tell Tom Holmoe that the whole Bronco thing isn't working out any longer? Should have never signed him to a 3 yr contract. Mendenahall is not an elite coach, never will be and never was. I know BYU will probably not be able to get an elite coach, but I'd like to itleast have a coach with common sense.
    1) Please kick a FG when it's 4th down. We need points! Bringing in Matt Marshall to throw a pass on 4th and 3 was just ridiculous. Bring in the first team offense and go for it and give yourself a better chance if you are going to go for it on 4th down.

    2.) two huge blunders before the half. Down 21-10, and with Nelson just getting lambasted on 2nd down and throwing the ball up for grabs with under a minute to go in the half, we decided to throw it on 3rd down instead of run the ball and run out the clock and only be down by 11. Instead-Incomplete, punt the ball, good return and they score before half. Bad coaching in critical situations. The field goal at the half-pathetic!

  • Hatch Sandy, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 10:28 a.m.

    BYU will not join the Big East or Big 12 for that matter. Their schedule in comming years is getting stronger as quality teams open spots to be televised nationally and their ratings on ESPN have surpassed all expectations.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 10:52 a.m.

    Leftovers. Lol! I will laugh when the big least loses the bcs bid and the real bcs conferences are given another auto bid. And for thosw cougar fans who are excited about a strong schedule, it doesn't matter when you lose to every team with a winning record! Who was the last good team you beat? Lol!

  • Weber State Graduate Clearfield, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 11:08 a.m.

    Until BYU can beat a BCS team, they shouldn't be looking to join a BCS conference...they have already lost to three BCS teams this year on national TV. Just can't get any BCS respect when you lose on a national stage.

  • Kolobian FARMINGTON, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 11:23 a.m.

    Actually, I think it is a wonderful idea. If they can go football only and have a regional rival with BSU and leave all their other sports in the WCC they can still be playing all over the country and get the desired exposure they like.

    I like it.

  • TheCrow American Fork, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 11:26 a.m.

    I hate to tell you "Weber State Graduate" but BYU has already beat 2 BCS teams this year.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Oct. 31, 2011 11:47 a.m.

    Einstein saying that 3 BCS losses you must be thinking of your utes. or maybe your mind is just clouded over because the wildcats are so terrible this season. But, Ole Miss is a W... Utah is an L and so what. Texas is a L by a mere point. TCU is not a 2011 BCS school.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Oct. 31, 2011 12:00 p.m.

    Chris B,

    Just because the Utes beat at home a 2-5 Beaver team doesn't mean you can come out of your shell.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Oct. 31, 2011 12:10 p.m.

    Hmmm. I'm not sure whether BYU would join this conference or not. The only thing they have going for them is they are an AQ (for now).

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 12:11 p.m.

    Stay away from this loser conference post haste.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 12:12 p.m.

    At first glance, I thought this was a bad idea. However, if the Big East (or whatever it comes to be called) remains an AQ conference, it's not a bad idea. Isn't this kind of what BYU was trying to do when they were trying to resurrect the WAC a year and half ago?

    The Big East isn't that strong a football conference. It's respectable, but not impossible. The conference championship would probably come down to the winner of the BYU/BSU game each year. (I can't think of anyone that strong in the East.)

    BYU might end up in a better position to go to a BCS bowl game/national championship than Utah. (Utah isn't going for a LONG time, by the way. They don't have any QB prospects.)

  • Penguin Inc. Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 31, 2011 12:21 p.m.

    Wherever they end up, please tell Roland Nelson to quit waving the ball around in the air as he's being tackled.

  • Weber State Graduate Clearfield, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 12:34 p.m.

    "I hate to tell you "Weber State Graduate" but BYU has already beat 2 BCS teams this year."

    I hate to tell you TheCrow but Im not so sure I would be quick to point that out...all things considering.

    Ole Miss (2-6)
    Oregon State (2-6)

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 12:46 p.m.

    Concerning Collie. Amazing what the best QB in football can do for those around him.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Oct. 31, 2011 12:51 p.m.

    Daily Deseret News rumor-mongering article regarding BYU going to a BCS conference....check.

    See you tomorrow, November 1st.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 1:47 p.m.

    Pavalova | 9:33 a.m. Oct. 31, 2011
    Surfers Paradise, AU
    ---------
    You know you spelled pavlova wrong, don't you? Obviously not actually be from Surfers Paradise.

    utahcountyute | 12:46 p.m. Oct. 31, 2011
    Cedar Hills, UT
    Concerning Collie. Amazing what the best QB in football can do for those around him.
    ----------
    Uh, Peyton is out for the season. Try to keep up.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Oct. 31, 2011 1:59 p.m.

    Weber State Graduate

    Just can't admit to being so clueless about BYU's BCS wins/losses can you?

    BYU is 2-2 versus BCS teams.
    Utah is 2-4 versus BCS teams.

    Utah fans were going ga-ga on Saturday over Utah's first PAC 12 win over OSU at home, the same team that BYU beat earlier on the road.

    And #67 Pittsburgh isn't ranked much higher than #87 Ole Miss.

  • Pete in Texas Copperas Cove, TX
    Oct. 31, 2011 2:00 p.m.

    Agreed, Brave Sir Robin. Is there anybody out there that still cares about rumors? call me when anything is signed in ink. Until then, I hope they remain independent.

    As for all the other BYU haters who are saying to get back with them when they beat a BCS team and then discounting the two wins they have by saying, "Yeah. They beat 2 teams with losing records." I would ask what the record is of Oregon State?

    How's that crow tasting for all you posing as a "Ute fan" to hate on the Cougs? Nuff said....

  • Christy B Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 31, 2011 2:02 p.m.

    Brave Sir Robin

    Daily jealous rant from a BYU-obsessed hater.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Oct. 31, 2011 2:10 p.m.

    BYU will not go to the Big East. And if BYU doesn't go, Boise State won't go.

    If Big 12 gets Notre Dame for all other sports, expect Big 12 to pick up BYU as a football only member which is what BYU has been hoping for all along.

  • Mokie Right Here, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 2:19 p.m.

    Jake2010 - is that the same Oregon State team that BYU fans keep spouting off about beating a BCS opponent? Which is it? Either they are good and we both beat them, or they are not good and you cannot use it to boast about your own schedule and down play the Utes. Get a clue.

  • Pac12Proud SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 2:24 p.m.

    A1994...
    "The Big East isn't that strong a football conference. It's respectable, but not impossible. The conference championship would probably come down to the winner of the BYU/BSU game each year."

    Think about what you are saying. If the Big East is looking to BSU and...well...byu for it's legitimacy and even you can't think of anyone "that strong" in the conference, do you really think that point is lost on the powers that be (the BCS)? If what you say is true (and I think you are giving byu a lot of unearned credit) then the days of the Big East as an AQ conference are severely numbered.

    btw...the Utes have tremendous qb prospects. Further, they already know what it takes to get to a BCS game. For example, an invitation to the BCS has to be earned...a lesson that byu and its fans still need to learn. There are no entitlements.

  • Portland Trail Blazers Sandy, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 2:37 p.m.

    BYU should stay away from the Big East.

    BYU needs to follow Notre Dame's plan and make rivalries. ND has them with USC, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue, etc.

    BYU needs teams they can count on playing every year like Notre Dame does. It would help BYU scheduling so much.

    BYU already will be playing Hawaii and Boise State through 2023 every year. I would like to see BYU play these schools every single year:

    Georgia Tech - helps exposure in the South; a lot of BYU alum in Atlanta
    Washington - northwest exposure, recruitting, a lot of alum in the NW
    Air Force - can become a healthy rivalry
    Notre Dame - both independents, private universities
    Hawaii - build up the pipline between the islands and Provo; helps recruitting
    Boise State - should have become a rivalry a long time ago
    TCU or Houston - trips to Texas will help recruiting
    UCLA or USC - recrutting in So Cal, a ton of alum and moroms in So Cal

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 3:01 p.m.

    @ Portland Trail Blazers | 2:37 p.m. Oct. 31, 2011
    Sandy, UT

    "a ton of alum and moroms in So Cal"

    What is a morom?

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 31, 2011 3:04 p.m.

    "btw...the Utes have tremendous qb prospects."

    who? untried high school players who may or may not turn out to be decent college QBs

    "Further, they already know what it takes to get to a BCS game."

    Get lucky with a weak schedule or get lucky playing all of your toughest games at home - the PAC 12 gift-wrapped a trip to the PAC 12 championship for the Utes this year, and Utah still failed miserably, 1-4.

    "For example, an invitation to the BCS has to be earned...a lesson that BYU and its fans still need to learn. There are no entitlements."

    So does respect as a member of a BCS conference. Something Utah fans still need to learn. There are no entitlements to respect just because you're in a BCS conference.

  • Portland Trail Blazers Sandy, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 3:07 p.m.

    54-10,

    How that Pac 12 working out?

    1-4 for football

    basketball picked last in Pac 12

    Talk about a athletic program on the rise for the Mighty Utes.......

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 3:15 p.m.

    New conference - "The little west"

    BYU Snow College Dixie State SUU .... and more to come!

  • Magic Happens Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 3:34 p.m.

    Re: Hatch @ 10:28.

    You wrote "... their ratings on ESPN have surpassed all expectations." Not trying to be picky, but interested in your source, and please be specific, not somebody at ESPN said so, we can get that from the local writers/columnists/bloggers. Thanks!

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 3:42 p.m.

    @Pavalova
    "After Saturday's performance it's very clear this team/program is not ready for high-level football on a weekly basis. "

    The Big East does not have high-level football on a weekly basis.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 3:56 p.m.

    Someone help me out here. Portland Trail Blazers used the word morom. What is that?

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    Oct. 31, 2011 3:56 p.m.

    No one in a BCS conference will schedule BYU anytime after the first 5 weeks of the season.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 4:00 p.m.

    patriot

    Little brothers forced to use hyperbole to make themselves feel better about how pathetic the Utes have been in their new conference.

    It's hillarious that the only "quality" win Utah has is the win BYU gift-wrapped for them, yet, Utah fans spend their every waking whining about how pathetic BYU is.

  • niners SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 4:00 p.m.

    @portland Trail Blazers

    Basketball moved from MWC to WCC

    Football moved from playing the MWC to playing the lower half of the WAC..

    Talk about an athletic program on the rise for the Mighty Cougars!!

  • DonO Draper, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 4:29 p.m.

    "Is BYU part of Big East plans?"

    No.

    Next question.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 31, 2011 4:41 p.m.

    Chris B,

    Laugh? You've got a twisted sense of humor. Go find a job.

  • CaliforniaCougar Lake Elsinore, CA
    Oct. 31, 2011 4:41 p.m.

    Don't do it!

    The Big East offers no advantage or gain.

    Why go to the Big East? It's the conference that is losing teams, not gaining teams. The BCS bid will likely be withdrawn from the conference, so the Cougs would basically be going back to the equivalent of the Mountain West Conference.

    And even if it is an option, I am sure the invitation is open for the next 10 years. The Big East is desperate. Don't do anything now.

    Let the independence thing settle and keep an eye on the Big 12 and the Pac 12. A lot will continue to happen with this realignment.

    No need to move backward.

  • Honestly?Really? Hurricane, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 4:43 p.m.

    Playing in the big east would be just like playing in the MWC except maybe a better tv deal... If we can.. i say go for it... and for all you mouthy utes fans... let me just ask.. how you doin in Pac 12 conference play? it looks like you all stink just as bad as we do so lets tone down the trash and focus on our own teams and our hopes of getting better...

  • Pac12Proud SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 4:49 p.m.

    Uteanymous
    "There are no entitlements to respect just because you're in a BCS conference." Some specificity is necessary here. Respect among conference teams, yes, you are correct. Respect outside the conference is another matter entirely. byu fans are still spitting nails Utah's move. LOL!!!!

    btw..."untried high school players who may or may not turn out to be decent college QBs" is what every college program starts with. Now, untried high school players who may or may not turn out to be decent college QBs who arrange their own press conference in a bar to promise a national championship to the team they select? Well...that's an honor for which only byu has qualified.

    See the difference?

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Oct. 31, 2011 4:50 p.m.

    @Christy B

    "Daily jealous rant from a BYU-obsessed hater."

    Yep, you got me pegged. There's so much about BYU's situation to be jealous over. I can't decide what's got me most jealous: Being an independent mid-major with no path to the BCS, playing a schedule that makes Utah State's look tough, playing basketball in a 1-bid conference, or desperately hoping to get invited to the Big Least.

    BYU athletics is living the dream for sure...I would give my left arm for Utah to be in that situation. *rolls eyes*

  • cdmon COTTONWOOD, CA
    Oct. 31, 2011 4:50 p.m.

    Here's an idea. DN Sports Reporters stop writing about BYU and conference expansion. As a fan of BYU who is hopeful that the experiment with isolationism - heretofore referred to as Independence - will soon end, the constant prognostication of the DN Sports Reporters is worse than the team's performance, if at all possible. This team has displayed an ineptitude not matched by any other BYU team in recent memory, and during what has to be the worst possible time in college sports with all of the expansion and realignment going on. So please, Jeff, Dick, et al, give us a break and report on that pie in the sky opportunity WHEN it actually HAPPENS. Until then, just the facts will do.

  • CG Orem, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 5:42 p.m.

    Brave Sir Robin

    If our jealous little brothers weren't so insecure, they wouldn't feel compelled to spam every BYU article with their meaningless drivel.

    The fact that you're here trolling another BYU article, proves your insecurity.

    BYU will make the WCC a regular 2- or 3-bid conference. What has pitiful bottom-dwelling Utah added to the Pac 12?

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Oct. 31, 2011 6:17 p.m.

    @CG

    Not insecure, just here to have a laugh at BYU's expense. It sure is easy since BYU went independent and got even worse at football.

  • ItrustNo1 La Grange, TN
    Oct. 31, 2011 6:18 p.m.

    Oh Boys, Please join something fast or you are going to be the only Independent in the Country. Big East, Big 12, Something!!!!!!!

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 31, 2011 6:43 p.m.

    Sports can really bring the greed out of people. A year ago, TCU was upset that BYU would leave the MWC, and referred to it as dishonest. Since than, TCU has jumped twice for greener pastures. They broke their agreement with the Big East. Not a honest or Christian thing to do. Their cheerleaders have also changed their attire, which doesn't represent a Christian school, but more of the Dallas Cowboy girls. They were displayed more on the scoreboard than any thing related to football.

    I would hope, BYU won't break it's committment with the WCC. As a long time cougar fan, I would rather see them drop sports all together than not keep its word.

  • bballjunkie Pleasant Grove, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 6:51 p.m.

    Football needs to stay independent and let the basketball program to the Big East.

  • aficionado Sandy, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 6:56 p.m.

    Boo. BYU. Stay where you're at. I'm tired of you thinking about switching. I'm a BYU fan. but just stay where you are.

  • CG Orem, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 7:22 p.m.

    Brave Sir Robin

    Not insecure?

    Only a very insecure BCS conference team fan would feel the need to spam an irrelevant, non-AQ team's blog to try to drown the disparity of their own team's dismal 1-4 conference record.

  • mornixuur Layton, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 7:34 p.m.

    Sure are a lot of Coug fans here saying that U fans are insecure.

    In the long run, when it came time to settle who was better this year on the field... BYU came up quite short. Six touchdowns plus of margin short.

    Everything else is opinion.. the only head-to-head fact is a 54-10 score.

    Try again next year.

  • Weber State Graduate Clearfield, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 8:06 p.m.

    "Just can't admit to being so clueless about BYU's BCS wins/losses can you?

    BYU is 2-2 versus BCS teams.
    Utah is 2-4 versus BCS teams."

    anti BCS, you mistake me for being a Utah fan. Your above post only shows that both Utah and BYU haven't done well against BCS teams. Regardles of how terrible Utah is doing, BYU's quest for BCS respect won't come when they lose to BCS schools on the national stage.

    Fact is...Texas, Utah, TCU equal 3 losses, not 2. Go ahead and argue that TCU is not a BCS team, but they will be next year as members of the Big 12 and they have played in a lot more BCS games than the Cougars.

    I actually like BYU, but their fans are far removed from reality in terms of how good BYU really is this year...they just aint that good (neither is Utah).

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 8:22 p.m.

    @Pac12Proud

    Well, you can't have it both ways. BYU and Utah have the SAME PAC 12 record this year over the same team. You say Utah has proven they can get to a BCS game. Great. BYU has just as much legitimacy. They have won a National Championship. What's that you say? You can hang onto the past? Well, have far back do we go?

    I'd sure love to know who Utah's QB prospects are. If they have any, why are they sticking with Hayes?

    Trading out West Virginia and Syracuse for BYU and Boise State makes the Big East as strong (if not stronger) than it was. It must kill Utah fans to see BYU in the mix. You thought they would just be left behind? Are you nuts? BYU is having a down year. But be realistic, BYU is every bit as much a BCS worthy program as Utah is. To say otherwise is just ignorant of the facts and of college football in general.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 8:22 p.m.

    mornixuur

    You're just fortunate that your big brother felt sorry for you and threw U a 7-turnover fest bone or our little brothers wouldn't have a single memorable moment from their first big boy conference season.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 8:53 p.m.

    BYU has yet to beat a team with a higher Sagarin ranking than Montana State.

  • mightymite DRAPER, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 8:59 p.m.

    I love the smell of desperation in the morning. Byu played it's last card and will be left out in the cold. It destroyed the original WAC due to it's influence and bullying, and left the MWC in much the same manner- no one want's this princess in thier conference. This is the beginning of the end competetive sports at BYU.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Oct. 31, 2011 9:16 p.m.

    A1994 said:

    "Well, you can't have it both ways. BYU and Utah have the SAME PAC 12 record this year over the same team. You say Utah has proven they can get to a BCS game. Great. BYU has just as much legitimacy. They have won a National Championship. What's that you say? You can hang onto the past? Well, have far back do we go?

    Trading out West Virginia and Syracuse for BYU and Boise State makes the Big East as strong (if not stronger) than it was. It must kill Utah fans to see BYU in the mix.....BYU is every bit as much a BCS worthy program as Utah is. To say otherwise is just ignorant of the facts and of college football in general."

    Same old song and dance from fantasy land BYU fans. If your national title, supposed legitimacy and supposed BCS worthy program meant anything. You would have been invited to a power conference. Forty years of WAC supremacy proves that. So stop crying and move on. To say otherwise is just ignorant of the facts and of college football in general.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 9:22 p.m.

    Good to see Collie isn't having problems from the concussions.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Oct. 31, 2011 9:22 p.m.

    mighty mite said:

    "I love the smell of desperation in the morning. Byu played it's last card and will be left out in the cold. It destroyed the original WAC due to it's influence and bullying, and left the MWC in much the same manner- no one want's this princess in thier conference. This is the beginning of the end competetive sports at BYU."

    Sounds like Texas. Doubt they wan't that kind of competition in the BIG12.

  • Samwise Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 9:48 p.m.

    The better question is this: "Is the Big East part of BYU's plans?". I am nearly certain the answer to this is "No", thus the answer to if BYU is part of the Big East's plans is meaningless.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 31, 2011 10:18 p.m.

    Weber State Graduate

    "Fact is...Texas, Utah, TCU equal 3 losses, not 2. Go ahead and argue that TCU is NOT a BCS team, but they will be next year as members of the Big 12 and they have played in a lot more BCS games than the Cougars."

    Nobody has to argue anything.

    Fact: Ole Miss, Texas, Utah and Oregon State ARE BCS teams
    Fact: TCU is NOT a BCS team

    No matter how you slice it, BYU is 2-2 against BCS teams this season

    For all you know BYU, BSU, Air Force, Navy, SMU, UCF, and Houston could all be BCS teams by this time next year, which would make BYU's record against BCS teams 3-3, according to your twisted logic.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 31, 2011 10:42 p.m.

    SoonerUte

    "BYU has yet to beat a team with a higher Sagarin ranking than Montana State."

    And Utah hasn't beaten a team ranked higher than BYU.

    Some juvenile fans are so blinded by their hatred of BYU that they foolishly minimize the only quality win the Utes have this season.

  • Juice Box Eureka, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 11:01 p.m.

    This comment board is funny. Can I add to the pot?

    @ BYU: How does it feel being on the outside looking in?
    @ BYU fans: What team are you watching that is "good"? I saw a team get creamed by TCU last weekend. Nothin to pound your chests about right now, your special teams can't even kick in bounds or catch a snap, so no room to talk.
    @ BYU fans: TCU may not be a BCS team, but they sure humiliated you on national tv. If you can't beat a non-BCS team, why the talk of joining a conference where you play quality BCS opponents on a quality basis?
    @ BYU: How's this Independence "exposure" thing working out for you? I thought you were already claiming a National Championship before the season?
    @ Bronco: Smile once in a while. (Last week doesn't count because the team you are coaching was certainly something to be embarrassed of.)
    @ BYU fans: I hope someday is occurs to you that you all talk a lot, all the hype is getting ridiculous when in reality your team i crumbling and diminishing before your eyes. Why is it not obvious to you?

  • Hatch Sandy, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 11:20 p.m.

    Magic Happens @ 3:34

    A September 19th article in the New York Times by Nate Silver explaines that BYU has a larger fan base than 27 BCS teams and double that of
    Utah and TCU for that matter. ESPN has said they are delighted with the ratings of BYU televised games. Their comments along these lines are
    plentiful. That is good enough for BYU fans. BYU's agreement is with ESPN so we value their opinion more than others not less.

    Think independance Cougars. Think about an 18 year old kid trying to decide to play in the PAC12 or BIG12 Or SEC or BIG10 or ACC...or
    play for BYU and play in all these conferances and most all your games will be nationally televised. The future is bright Cougars. Forget the BCS garbage.

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 1, 2011 12:07 a.m.

    BCS conferences don't care one whit whether BYU can play championship football or not. Those who think otherwise had better realize the world isn't flat. Conferences only care about getting fans in stadium seats and viewers on TV.

    Their obsession with money is so ingrained, however, that they are willing to forgo BYU's ability to get fans for football, because they can't see past BYU's Sunday play policy.

    As negative as certain narrow minded local sports writers try to make it sound, it is easy for BYU to reject any invitation from a conference that has no geographical connection to the Utah area.

    Independence is just fine, thank you!

  • mightymite DRAPER, UT
    Nov. 1, 2011 12:11 a.m.

    BYU has a bye this week. At least they wont lose-- but with that said, I am just going to take even money in the the event they can find a way for a loss to happen.

  • BYU Joe MISSION VIEJO, CA
    Nov. 1, 2011 1:20 a.m.

    We are at war with Eurasia - no, we are at war with Eastasia (reference to 1984 and how the party keeps switching the war and everyone just accepts it, for those of you who went to the U and don't read real books)

    I can take it anymore - I need lithium - its as if I'm spinning round just trying to be accepted yet now I find myself rejected and loving it - no wait I want into the Big 12 because its cool again - but I thought it was dead. But it lives and is better.

    No we're going to the Big East - except wait they are dying now. Oh wait, we get to play Boise State in the East - but we just signed a marriage contract to play them forever because they are our rivals. I thought that was Utah - except didn't we just play them in September. So confused.

    Are we in a league with Air Force - maybe SDSU and UNLV can come. Are we playing Hawaii. Is this the WAC?

    Where am I Alice. Quick click my heels three times Dorothy - there's no place like home. But where is home - not Kansas. Kool-aid anyone?

  • Weber State Graduate Clearfield, UT
    Nov. 1, 2011 7:00 a.m.

    "For all you know BYU, BSU, Air Force, Navy, SMU, UCF, and Houston could all be BCS teams by this time next year, which would make BYU's record against BCS teams 3-3, according to your twisted logic."

    Uteanymous...such anger. Yes...it's possible that a few might become BCS teams, but they are not now and TCU is officially in a BCS conference. But, according to my twisted logic they are not yet a BCS team, even though they are officially in a BCS conference. You see they still play in the MWC this year. I'm wrong, TCU is not a BCS team...5, 4, 3, 2, 1...ta da! TCU is now a BCS team next year!

    What does this have to do with the original message...if the Cougars want BCS respect, they need to beat quality BCS opponents on the national stage?

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Nov. 1, 2011 7:59 a.m.

    At this point, all gossip. And the Examiner? A horrible free daily newspaper with no credibility.

  • Triple B Milford, NH
    Nov. 1, 2011 8:30 a.m.

    I don't believe that BYU is looking for respect. They have already earned that. Some with a degree from Weber State on the other hand...

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 1, 2011 9:03 a.m.

    Weber State Graduate

    "What does this have to do with the original message...if the Cougars want BCS respect, they need to beat quality BCS opponents on the national stage?"

    The point is, your original premise is flawed: "BCS respect" is NOT a requirement for being invited to a BCS conference.

    Colorado has been a disaster for years. Cincinnati, Louisville, and USF were all invited to a BCS conference long before Utah. What sort of "BCS respect" do you think any of those teams had? In 2009, the year immediately preceeding Utah's invitation to the PAC 12, BYU's win over then #3-ranked Oklahoma on the national stage is far bigger than anything Utah did to earn "BCS respect". BYU also destroyed then #16 Oregon State in the Las Vegas Bowl the same year. BYU(11-2) finished 2009 ranked #12 in both polls with a win over #18 Utah(10-3).

    In other words, BYU accomplished far more to earn "BCS respect" in 2009 than Utah accomplished.

  • Weber State Graduate Clearfield, UT
    Nov. 1, 2011 9:31 a.m.

    Triple B, try to avoid the cheap shot at my degree and my university. Such silly personal attacks don't represent BYU well...the university that claims to have higher standards.

    BYU has all kinds of respect...they are a very fine, respectable institution. However, "BCS" respect is a different story. That precise respect won't come until they earn it, which means they must win enough quality games to be invited to a BCS bowl and actually "win" those BCS bowl games. At least Utah has previously met this challenge by virtue of their BCS invites and BCS wins.

    "BCS respect" is NOT a requirement for being invited to a BCS conference."

    Perhaps so, but it certainly doesnt help BYUs cause by losing to quality BCS schools on the national stage.

    Why is this such a difficult concept for many BYU fans to understand? Such reality is not a ridicule against the school...it's a fact that most reasonable fans will admit and something BYU can overcome by winning. Simply amazing how testy and far removed from reality some BYU fans are.

  • Honor Code Denver, Colorado
    Nov. 1, 2011 9:42 a.m.

    Certainly entertaining to see this "INDEPENDENT" thing working out nicely for BYU.

    Big East........did I just see BYU's travel budget increase 10 fold?????

  • jaxon Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 1, 2011 9:56 a.m.

    Traveling across country for every road game sure doesn't sound good for local fans.The money, time isn't worth it for the average BYU fan.Stay Independent until something better comes your way.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Nov. 1, 2011 12:16 p.m.

    A list of observations:

    1. To those of you who are discounting Big East football, note that they are currently rated #6. The MWC is #9 and the WAC is #10.

    In the last 10 years, the MWC has been rated higher than the Big East once, in 2004 (repeat after me, "Thank you, Utah"). The WAC hasn't been rated higher than them - ever.

    As of today, the worst team in the Big East is ranked #84 - the MWC has three teams much worse (ranked 145, 148, and 196), and the WAC has five teams ranked lower (#s 98, 99, 102, 130, and 146).

    2. Looking forward, since WVU, Pitt, and Syracuse won't be in the Big East, traveling to the East Coast for conference games doesn't make much sense. Don't do it Cougars and Broncos.

    3. Neither BYU or Utah have beaten a team that is worth bragging about.

    Utah's wins are against #55 (BYU), #67 (Pitt), #76 (Montana State), and #101 (Oregon State).

    BYU's wins are against #83 (UCF), #87 (Ole Miss), #99 (SJSU), #101 (Oregon State), #102 (Utah State), and #207 (Idaho State).

    Save your powder for next season, there's no point in arguing this year!

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Nov. 1, 2011 12:28 p.m.

    @Weber State Colllege Graduate

    Apparently your College Education has not taught you how to recognize a Phony Construct. And it has not taught you basic logic, but it has taught you how to argue against a Strawman.

    BYU is more qualified to be considered a so called BCS school than 2/3 of the schools which currently label themselves such.

    Utah was invited because they were the last choice to get to 12, and BYU is a Faith Based Institution..

    And we are seeing that Utah ranks near dead last in the Pac 10+ in just about every category.

    Academics (10th) BYU would rank 6th
    Football Stadium size (11th) BYU would rank 5th
    History "get serious" see BYU's Legacy Hall compare to Utah's closet
    Football attendance (11th) BYU would rank 3rd
    wins/losses
    Annual Athletic budget(12th)
    Endowment (10th) BYU 3rd

    TV market (Utah sports are #3 in the SLC market, BYU is #1)
    etc.

    You are fooling yourself if you think this is based upon merit.

    Utah is a bottomfeeder tag along just like Washington St.,Northwestern, Indiana, Duke, Rutgers, Baylor etc.

    This is about politics, not legacy, brand, tv markets, academics or anything else.

    Your Superiority complex IsPhony

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Nov. 1, 2011 2:43 p.m.

    Bluto,

    You have clearly invested a lot of thought in this, but you are missing a few key points:

    1. Bringing up Washington State, Northwestern, Indiana, etc. doesn't add anything to this discussions since the BCS conferences aren't considering UNINVITING any current members. They are already in the "club." As a non-member, you don't get a say in club membership.

    But since you brought up Washington State, remember that they went to the Rose Bowl in 1998 and 2003, and have 4 AP Top Ten finishes in the BCS era. BYU has zero.

    2. BYU has respectable football history, but the history that most Cougar fans are understandably proud of is decades old. BYU's National Championship game was played 27 years ago, and Detmer's Heisman trophy was awarded in 1990. To many fans, neither meet the "what have you done for me lately" criteria to merit discussion in 2011.

    3. Few if any of us know the real formula that the Pac-12 used to determine who to invite and why not to invite a solid BYU program. But how does discrediting a Utah program, that has beaten your Cougars in 7 of the last 10, strengthen your argument?

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 1, 2011 3:11 p.m.

    Patriot said,

    "Uh, Peyton is out for the season. Try to keep up"

    Uh, That is exactly my point.

    Point being, I don't see any 100 yard games in his future anytime soon. Of course he won't get another concussion either:)

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Nov. 1, 2011 4:42 p.m.

    Just read off the AP wire that Boise and Air Force were invited to the Big east made but byu wasn't.

    Thats okay. You'll always have the WCC which I 've read (can't recall where? ROFL) that it is a superior hoops conference to the PAC12

  • cdchttrtn meridian, idaho
    Nov. 1, 2011 4:56 p.m.

    I am all in favor off BYU jointing a conference, but not just in football. All of their teams need to be in the same conference.

    BYU needs a vision which they don't have. If they did they would have done everything they could to get into the Big 12. Being in the Big 12 is the place they need to be. This conference is ideal for them, but not just in football, all sports, or none at all.

    They also need to make football their number one priorty during the season. Nothing should be more important than football during the season. Wake up BYU* and do what all the big time programs do.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Nov. 1, 2011 5:31 p.m.

    The question is not whether the Big East wants BYU.
    Reading articles all accross the country, the answer to that question is Yes, they do.

    The more important question is, does BYU want the Big East?
    And, what must they give up in order to accept?

    You nervous Nellie Utah fans are laughable. You continue to say nobody wants BYU and yet according to Holmoe they have been negotiationg with Conferences (plural) for months.

    It's a matter of what BYU has to give up.

    You see, unlike Utah, BYU has "Assets" to negotiate.

    -ESPN contract
    -National Network Games(10 this year)
    -Same day Replay rights
    -BYU-TV-Their own Network

    Whether or not BYU is willing to part with some of these Assets, is what is at play here.

    Utah fans "Naivete" on this whole matter is to be expected.

    Utah joined the Pac 10, and good for them.
    And they took whatever Commisioner Scott put on the table, including no full revenue for 4 years. Why? Because they had no other choice.

    BYU has hard choices (assets) to consider.

    By the way, Colorado came in with full revenue sharing, Year One.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Nov. 1, 2011 6:38 p.m.

    re: Bluto | 12:28 p.m. Nov. 1, 2011

    Utah is a bottomfeeder tag along just like Washington St.,Northwestern, Indiana, Duke, Rutgers, Baylor etc.

    Lumping the U in w/ the likes incredibly solid academic institutions such as Duke, Northwestern, & Indiana? Interesting?

    So? BYU is the Cal-Berkeley of the Mtn time zone; right?

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Nov. 1, 2011 6:59 p.m.

    re BYU Joe | 1:20 a.m. Nov. 1, 2011

    "We are at war with Eurasia - no, we are at war with Eastasia (reference to 1984 and how the party keeps switching the war and everyone just accepts it, for those of you who went to the U and don't read real books"

    Paraphrasing Animal Farm... All DN posters are equal. Some DN posters (byu fans) are more equal than others. Is that it?

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Nov. 1, 2011 9:22 p.m.

    LOL all you byu lovers are hilarious saying you have two bcs wins against two of the worst teams in the bcs thats funny. and youre just going to keep playing the oh utah just got its first win against an osu team "we already beat on the road" haha yeah and they also put up 28 pts against your team.
    @anti bcs
    do you realize how clueless that makes you sound?? #67 and #87 and youre saying pitt is barely ranked higher than ole miss??? thats like saying the #1 team is barely ranked higher than the 20th ranked team hahahaha bigggg difference buddy big difference.
    @jake2010
    until you beat somebody with a winning record then YOU can talk. byu has one of the weakest schedules in college football

  • Weber State Graduate Clearfield, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 6:57 a.m.

    "Apparently your College Education has not taught you how to recognize a Phony Construct. And it has not taught you basic logic, but it has taught you how to argue against a Strawman."

    Bluto...that was a clever insult. However, your personal attack provided a great example of a "straw man" by attacking me and then proclaiming victory.

    By the way, the correct term is "straw man" if you are interested in how to argue using basic language rules.

    Folks, it's not rocket science...it's all about winning and winning the big games earns respect from everyone, including the BCS. If a team doesn't win, then TV markets, football attendance, football stadium size, and athletic budgets all become problematic. It's as simple as that and complaining about politics is another phony straw man.

  • BYU Joe MISSION VIEJO, CA
    Nov. 2, 2011 8:15 a.m.

    Wally:

    You saw the movie I take it?

    And while that is a good reference as well - it is not my point. Just three weeks ago the Big 12 was dead and unstable. Now it is the best in the land.

    Big Brother changes everything every day and we all just follow along waiting for a scrape of bread (info).

    And Ute fans love to get on the Pac 12 high horse and look down at BYU - while BYU fans make silly arguments about U being bottom dwellers. (yet just about every BYU fan would love to be in the Pac - can't admit it but its true) But the truth is we would all be bored without each other to beat upon. Imagine Grant without Lee or Patton without Rommel. What you think that your new "rivalry" with Colorado is going to be this much fun -

    So everything keeps switching around and we all just go along - I'd rebel but I am afraid of rats.

  • better dead than red Pocatello, ID
    Nov. 5, 2011 12:13 p.m.

    All you BYU haters out there. I know that you have nothing better to do than put down the cougars. I am sorry that your team has been an absolute flop in the pac 12, but no need to take out your frustrations on the cougars. There is still a chance you get to 500 in conference, a slim chance, but it is out there. As for BYU to the big east... I don't think it is a good fit.. The conference is called the big EAST which is somewhat of a demographical issue for BYU. Besides there is a chance that the big 12 comes to there senses or maybe the pac 12 decides to rescend their offer to the most recent additions who can't seem to survive the rigors of the brutality of a schedule that includes washington state, Arizona, Colorado and UCLA. Heck I guess Utah belongs on that list to given their succes thus far in conference.