The Big East would be horrible for BYU and still won't guarantee that the
conference will maintain AQ status. There is also no sign that the Big12 won't
eventually want to get back to 12. BYU will stay independent and WCC for the
next while and will patiently wait while the college landscape settles over the
next few years.
I'm not sure the big12 would have been an upgrade over independence and really
didn't want BYU to join that conference so there is no way I want them to join
the Big East. Independence is the way to go for now, let's give it a chance.
It makes total sense for BYU to join the BE for football only. This will solve
future scheduling issues they face as an independent. But, it still leaves
enough OOC games that BYU can schedule a Texas, OK, Notre Dame, etc.In
addition, it gives BYU something to play for after they lose a game during the
season - a conference CHAMPIONSHIP. This all assumes that the BE would still
allow BYU some TV privileges with BYU-TV. Don't worry about the stability of
the BE. If it were to fold, then BYU could just go back to an independent
status. All of their other sports are already in the WCC. This won't change.
This seems like a no brainer to me. Also, with BSU and BYU in the BE, it's an
automatic that they will retain their AQ status. The good ol' boys of the BCS
will ensure that.
I'd say no to the conference, but see if you can't work out a scheduling
partnership. You already have Boise booked for about 50 straight years, get AFA
set up the same way and rotate a home and away with some Big East schools out
east to fill some October/November slots.Then the Big East doesn't
have to worry about BYU leaving if a better invite comes (when the Big 12
renegotiates TV contracts, they will likely go to 12, 14 or 16 teams, but it is
years away), but they get good games, more $ and better computer rankings for
their BCS conference competitors.
Chris B,But I thought you said that nobody wants BYU?The
Big East is a BCS conference last time I checked Chris B...How is
the mighty Ute football team doing in the Pac 10.2?
WVU can't even join the Big XII until like 2014, right? BYU could join
immediately, start playing in 2012 and by the time WVU would be able to join,
the Big XII could be ready to be a 12 or even 16 team conference. The Big XII
knows BYU is not restricted by any conference and doesn't need to jump the gun
on an invitation to get through possible hold ups and red tape. That's why I
don't think BYU should be considered "out of the running".
Win the big ones and good things will start happening. Case in point: TCU, Boise
State, Utah.Keep messing around and no one will want us...We could stay indie - but to what end???What if ND, Army and Navy
all join up with someone? I thought we went independent to show availability and
get away from the Mtn. So what if all the BYU fans in the country can watch us
on any given Friday/Saturday...
I for one am interested in just the opposite - I'd prefer to see the Cougars
play Big East Basketball and stay independent in football - that is if the Big
12 doesn't come calling.
No, no, no. Don't go to the Big East. It's a terrible conference, and while
I'm out East and would love to see some games out this way, it's a terrible
move. Nothing to gain from it - the Big East will not retain its AQ status.
Independence is better than the Big East.
Interesting comments from ESPN:"The teams Pitino is referring
to are potential Big East invitees Boise State, Air Force, Navy, BYU, Central
Florida, Houston and SMU. Marinatto has told Pitino that he has visited with or
spoken to officials from each of the schools about joining the conference,
Pitino said.""Pitino said that Marinatto told him he was
confident that invitations would be accepted by the schools, although BYU has
yet to indicate where its future lies. According to Pitino, Marinatto said the
conference has had discussions with BYU and that Boise State would like a
Western partner if it were to join.I'd say that puts the lie to the
"Nobody wants BYU" crowd. Still up to the powers that be in Provo and
Salt Lake to decide if they want to do this, but the interest is definitely
there from the Big East.Let's see...playing games in Dallas,
Houston, Orlando, and the greater D.C. and NYC areas...that might meet a
definition of exposure.
For the sake of humanity, BYU, BSU, and AFA should let Big East football die.
Bluecat82:Stop trying to clutter the minds of ute trolls with facts.
eastcoastcoug: I don't remember showing availability being a reason we went
independent. We went independent to get greater exposure, which we accomplished
with our TV contract with ESPN and with BYUtv. Availability does make going to a
BCS conf. easier but I don't ever remember it being a reason we left the MWC.
I think BYU needs to be patient and wait for things to calm down, the big
East is anything but stable and jumping to them now could end up being
problematic. The scheduling of quality teams as an independent will improve and
our SOS will improve with time. Getting into a BCS conf. needs to be carefully
considered not just hurried into. Belonging to a BCS conf. isn't the end all
like so many fans/posters want to make it into. More than half the teams in BCS
conferences don't even play in bowl games. Winning is the key not conf.
affiliation. Conference affiliation would make things easier but not necessarily
better. Look at Utah, they might not even go bowling. Like I said, winning is
Not wanted by the PAC-12.Not wanted by the Big 12.Now..."The Cougars would meet Boises definition of a western
partner."Boise's "definition"? And BYU fans were
ripping Utah for being the "third" choice over Texas and Oklahoma?
Agree with Duck Hunter why would we want the Big East, Independance is a better
option than joining the Litte East and West Conference.
I really don't want to see my team join a FOOTBALL ONLY conference. . . I love
the rivalries that spill over between sporting events. What would the UTAH /
BYU rivalry have been like if it was only a one sport rivalry?? There has to be
It's comical to see BYU fans turn their noses up at the Big East. Memo to
Cougars everywhere - you're not too good for a BCS conference.Perhaps this same sense of inflated self importance is why BYU's negotiations
with the Big12 failed.The Big East will surely retain its BCS bid.
It only needs to be the nation's 6th strongest conferece to get it. Having
added any noteworthy school from non-AQ conferences, no other conference can
challenge for that 6th spot.Wouldn't it be far better to play in the
weakest BCS conference (and therefore have the easiest road to a BCS bowl) than
remain as an independent, locked into the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl, even in your
Just so everyone understands, there is nothing in the BCS by-laws that discusses
a BCS team losing their AQ status. Nothing. With the additions of the Western
teams that are being discussed, including BYU, the newly formed Big East would
be a better football conference than the ACC. The Big East will have at least
two of the service academies. Jerry Jones will get his wish and the Cotton Bowl
will be added as a BCS game. The Big East will not lose its AQ, if it can put
this league together, with or without BYU. There are concerns about BYU
joining the Big East, but lets focus on real concerns. I for one, would love to
have BYU still playing for something after we lose a game. If we win out the
rest of the year what are we playing for? The Armed Forces Bowl. If we lose out,
what are we getting? The Armed Forces Bowl. Lets say we lose a game or two in
the new Big-East, what are we playing for? A BCS birth. Big difference.
Why would BYU join a fractioned conference that's a step above the old MWC? I
don't see the Big East retaining its AQ status.
Portland Trail Blazers:"Chris B,...But I thought you said that
nobody wants BYU? The Big East is a BCS conference last time I
checked..."And last time I checked the Y had not been invited
to the Big East. You're counting your chickens before they've hatched again.
Typical coug. At present, you are a mid-major. At present, EVERY AQ conference
in the country has had the opportunity to add the cougars....but DIDN'T! At
present, Chris B is more correct than you.FUN FACT: In 2003, the
Big East was an 8-team league consisting of Miami, Va. Tech, Boston College,
Pittsburgh, Syracuse, West Virginia, Temple, and Rutgers. Now, with 5 defectors
to the ACC, one to the Big 12, and the other to the MAC, the only team expected
to remain is Rutgers. The most likely additions to the BE were mid-majors in
'03, with UConn [Independent] and USF [CUSA] only playing their 4th year of D-1
football. The remaining: Navy [Independent], Louisville,
Cincinnati, and Houston [CUSA], Air Force [MWC], SMU and Boise St. [WAC], and
UCF [MAC].And cougar fans are ANXIOUS to join THIS league?Well, it is mid-majorey enough...
Don't join the Big East because it is now becoming the sinking ship of bcs
leauge. Stay Independent for now.
BYU's "failure" to be invited to either the PAC 10 or Big 12 can be
boiled down to one issue - religion. And in most cases, Sunday play. BYU has
the reputation, history, following, etc. What they are not willing to do is
compromise their standards - and that scares potential suitors.Anyone who claims the BYU is not wanted for any reason other than religion is
disingenuous at best.
Holmoe: Do not allow BYU to join the Big East--it's a sinking ship. While I
would have loved BYU to join the Big 12, independence in football is far better
than the Big East.
This is becoming very interesting. The 12 team football league is not a bad fit
for BYU. All the Utah fans seem to have forgotton that they were
the last in, throw in to make 12, whatever you want to call it, after T and O
and their friends wouldn't come. They also had to agreed to join without money
for one year and then a graduated scale for two more.The talk then
seemed to be that Utah would either end up in the PAC or in the
"remnants" of the Big 12. We all know how it ended. A great deal for
Utah, at least once they pay their way in. How soon they forget!Another big plus to all of this is "Sunday play". The reason BYU is
not in the Big12 or PAC12 for that matter.This solves the Sunday
play problem quite nicely and also the integrity issue of ditching the WCC after
only one year.If this works, the State of Utah is a big winner. Two
teams in big revenue football conferences. Both Utah and BYU can carry the
"brand" of the great State of Utah all over the country.
That would be awesome for Basketball!! I live in Connecticut so what do you
expect me to say. BIG EAST BB Tournament at MSG just an hour 15 minutes down the
road. With BYU and BSU, that would make the BIG EAST a respectable football
conference as well.
Captain LPatience Schmatience. I say jump in the Big East or any BCS
conference and sort things out later. Everything will change again anyway.Exposure is more than ESPN for a few games a year. It's playing in
stadiums in bigger metro areas than Provo-Salt Lake, it's being in the paper, on
the daily drive time radio show, local talk radio in the bigger markets. It's
playing in FRONT of a top recruit's family and not just on TV. But I
would push to play basketball in the BE too. That's where the real action is.
I like it...
@Kiboo: "BYU's "failure" to be invited to either the PAC 10 or
Big 12 can be boiled down to one issue - religion."Can you say
"persecution syndrome," anyone?
So many words and comments on so little info. The BYU A.D says boo and the
Deseret News has ten stories from it. Well, I heard BYU is holding out for the
super division. It would create the largest division being a part of the AFC
West. Playing San Diego, Oakland, Arizona and San Francisco would give BYU: 1.
Destination cities, 2. More chances to make the Championship game, 3. A real
playoff format, 4. Higher TV ratings, 5. Increased name branding sales, 6. Piles
and more piles of cash, 7. Trips to London, Toronto, Miami, and Atlanta
occassionally. 8. One step above Utah's conference if that really matters, 9.
The only draw backs are Sunday play and playing in Green Bay and Chicago in the
winter. But the advantages outweigh right? Actually remaining
Independent seems the most logical. If BYU plays good football and that
continues to sell the program then the options for Bowl games will increase from
not just the Championship game but to other bowls! Just like it was supposed to
be for Norte Dame before it folded up football in South Bend. I vote for the
This would be like BYU going to a party after everyone else but the clean up
help went home. The SEC will get 2 invites to the BCS games before the clean up
help at the forgotten East will get one.
Please cite your exact source that enables you to flat out say that BYU and the
Big XII is guaranteed to at no time forthcoming ever going to form a
partnership. For now it is nothing more than unsubstantiated speculation that I
do not for even a nano-second buy into. Basically what I am saying is that until
either the university or the conference says so I don't buy the presses
This does very little for BYU. I hope they don't seriously consider this
option. I don't think that the Big-East will be a BCS conference in a couple
years anyway.This makes it easier to schedule teams, but does
It's pretty obvious all the pundits out there providing "news" have no
clue about BYU, and that includes ESPN's.Boise State's
"traveling partner" for the Big East? What a laugh.BYU's
not dumb enough to join a midmajor-overhauled conference that's unlikely to
retain its BCS status for very long. The instability of the Big 12 that's been
concerning BYU doesn't look so bad in comparison to the Big East's
instability.WVA's invite is expected, as the Big 12 needs to jump on
getting them to save that school $5 mil. Doesn't mean BYU's now "out of the
running." Clueless pundits.It's going to be fun watching
whether the Big East's by-law for that waiting period holds water, as WVA's
apparently announced that they're leaving before the required time. Lawyers'
wallets just got fatter.
The elephant in the room in conference expansion is what will the Big Ten do?
Rumors keep popping up that they're also thinking about expanding---to 15
even!Where will those additional teams come from?When
the Big Ten drops the other shoe, all 7344 will break loose!The ACC
and SEC are committed to at least going to 14 each. The Big 12 won't survive
long if it stays at 10. It'll need to get to 14 also.Gonna be
interesting, to say the least.
Rearranging deck chairs is lunacy.There was talk earlier this week
of a merger between the Big East, Conference USA, and the Mountain West
Conference. How did BYU enter the picture? And what about all the other
members of those conferences?All the cherry-picking other
conferences teams may become a mute point shortly, if the BCS desolves
conference tie-ins and goes solely on its rankings system of all FBS eligible
teams.If the BCS does this, we'd probably still see the same teams
year-in and year-out, with an occasional Cinderella. I guess the big thing is,
all the Cinderella's will just be happy to be invited to the Ball. A little
respect is all they want, just to be included, to make it seem like the playing
field is level, fair and equitable.The problem is, the money will
get in the way. It always has, and always will. Its not about the
student-athlete and football, but revenue.
I have been against anything Big East for a while, but, if they can arrange a
western conference with BSU, Houston, SMU, Air Force, BYU, and somebody else of
note, I think I could go for that.
Big East? Better off in the Big Sky. How much deeper of a pit can Holmoe put
us into? Open your mouth, Tom, and do two things. One, tell us why we aren't
going to the Big 12 - really, not some tripe they hand you to read. Second,
announce your overdue resignation.
Daily Deseret News article on expansion rumors that *might* involve
BYU...check.The D-News must be afraid that BYU fans will stop taking
the paper if they don't publish this article every day.
@ SpanishImmersed,I was with you on "Rearranging deck chairs is
lunacy."But, where'd you get the idea about the BCS desolving
conference tie-ins? First I've heard of that. Source? - thanks.
Some of you couch potato coaches keep saying the Big East will lose it AQ status
but you sure don't name a conference which will replace it. Mark my words down,
the BCS wants to have 6 AQ conferences and they want the eastern schools to be
the majority of the AQ conferences. That is the way they set it up. With Utah
and BYU out of the MWC and if Boise leaves there is no way the MWC gets AQ
status ever. The WAC won't get it, Conference USA won't get it and this super
conference with the WAC, MWC and CUSA isn't going to achieve it either. This all is becoming a joke. One thing that may hurt BYU is
the fact that these AQ schools are moving to a situation where they do not want
their teams to play out of conference once conference play begins. That only
gives BYU FCS teams to play after the first 3-4 games. Not a good schedule.
Naval VetFUN FACT: The BCS is a failing system that was bogus to
begin with. There a lots of mid-majors in major conferences - see mirror.
Cork you need to very gently put a cork in your comments because they are out in
left field. Holmoe does not talk about negotiations. BYU has
always played it close to the vest. Just because you have become
used to other people violating confidences and blab about this or that
invitation you expect BYU to tell you the details of what is happening. I don't think it is religion which causes problems for BYU The mission
of the school and the church, which means walking away from the ESPN contract
and the option of putting every game on BYUtv nationwide. Remember there are
over 60 million viewers for BYUtv. That is exposure. I do agree
there are other factors, but that come into play, but I really do not think
religion is part of it, that was only with the snooty PAC 12 presidents, but not
with the coaches. They wanted BYU. The arrogant President's didn't want them.
We need to beat the AQ schools and the very best teams from the non
AQ conferences. No more letting the Utes get in our heads and letting them blow
us out of the water.
BYU needs to keep it's lucrative ESPN contract and stay independent. Too many
people are obsessed with the BCS. Utah has gotten a lot of money by joining the
PAC-12 but has not been successful on the field. Go Arizona - beat the Utes!
There you go Chris B.
a few thoughts - Who needs a traveling partner for a football only
league? Teams will play one away football game then travel back home. Traveling
partner only is necessary or helpful for other sports. Boise St. might be
clamoring for BYU to get in because they might need BYU's pull to get into the
WCC for their other sports.Those who are bagging on BYU leadership
for not obtaining the Big-12 invite should realize that the Big 12 had two open
spots and at least 4 quality schools (TCU, BYU, Louisville, and West Virgina)
looking to fill those spots. BYU was not a guarantee and it was not a matter of
mere incompetency by BYU's sports leaders that caused them not to received the
invite. I'm not sure what TCU's athletic budget is, but BYU's annual athletic
budget (32 million or so) was only about 60% of West Virgina's and only about
60% of Louisville's (which were 50-60 million).
The Big East is a joke. A conference of left overs and left outs.
So who is more desperate the Big East or the Y?
So it would be the western division being the football Big East as none of the
teams in the easter part of the Big East could play with BSU, etc. Basketball
would be just the opposite. UConn would make fools out of Boise or TCU. Another
stupid idea that can be tied to the BCS. College sports are a complete mess with
conferences. Nice work, corporate America.
No longer care where they go. If BYU can't win a single big game, then it
doesn't matter anyway.
Tired of the Ute fans banter. I'm also tired of our big talk and no action.
BYU sealed the deal in my mind tonight by proving that they are not worthy of
it. I'd love them to join the big time but you have to play big before you join
the party. That, is something they have yet to do. Coaching is poor and until
that gets fixed, we need to stay independent or seek to go back to the MWC or
the WAC where we can pound up on losing records. I'm trying to think of our
last win against a winning record. Hmmmmmm. Utah is finding it hard as well.
Mistakes on both sides. Delusions of grandeur!
In all honesty, who really wants to deal with BYU? They have so many aberrations
to contend with. A real conference never gave them the time of day, not EVER.
The continuous articles pertaining to BYU's acceptance somewhere is all hype and
a desperate hope that somebody "may" like them someday........ which
will NEVER be the case. The day will come when the LDS officials in SLC will
drop BYU athletics, as the clock is ticking folks.
After watching BYU get pretty much schooled tonight in Texas, I'm thinking that
the Big East would be a great conference for them. The travel expenses double,
the maximum 2 hour flights just turned into 4 hour flights and 2 hour time zone
should really keep your boys fresh!!I chuckle at all this
"conference" shake up, I've predicted for years that it will all come
down to "greed". Certainly is a sad world we live in when money
becomes a priority over rivalries.Sorry Utah and BYU fans but many
of you took the bait, and now you won't see any legit BCS Bowl game in years to
come!! In some ways I smile and sit back and tell many BYU and Utah
fans......"see I told you so"!
A geographic nightmare.
No to the Big East!!!!! Independent or Big 12 are the only real options. The
Big East is weak in football and let's face it BYU is in the WEST!!!
BYU can always return to the position it is in today.... Indy and WCC.... It is
critical however that we don't get left off the list of AQ Conferences as they
expand.We become a much more attractive package once we are in and
AQ Conference.... It's kind of like looking for work.... It's always easier when
you already have a job.... Even with all that aside, I think that the East/West
Divisions of the BE conference is intriguing.... I could see where it could turn
out to be a very good deal.
I'll skip over all the drivel from the Ute trolls but BYU going to the Big East
would be the absolute stupidest move of all that have been seriously discussed.
It's tanking on all fronts, the team travel, the physical proximity to BYU
Alumni and more reasons, I'm sure make this ridiculous on it's face. I think I'd
lose all respect for those involved.
I would like to see BYU in the BE(football only) and with the schools mentioned
they easily retain their BCS status and are beer than the ACC. I already miss
playin AF evry year and we have no rivalry games to get excited about in the
current system. BYU vs BSU every year! BYU vs AF again! BYU vs Houston! The
west division would be stacked. It would be nice to lose 2 games and still be
able to go to a BCS game by winning the championship game. Access would be so
much better. Visability would improve as the biggest markets on the east coast
would be watching BYU every week. Currently the BE is the weakest BCS
conferance but with the teams being discussed added it becomes 3rd or 4th best
passing the ACC and possibly the PAC-12. With the teams listed bowl eligble
teams each year for the past 5 years are;2010 9/122009 10/122008 9/122007 11/122006 10/12Some of those are barely but
even the 2nd tier bowls improve dramatically and likely get better with West
division. Holiday Bowl??
The people who keep talking about how awful the travel would be aren't really
looking closely at the situation. If BYU joined the Big East, they'd be in a
Western Division. They would probably only play 1, maybe 2 games a year on the
East Coast. In the Western division, the furthest they'd have to travel is
Texas (which they seem to do every year anyway) and Cincinnati, and that
wouldn't even be every year. If we were talking all sports, it would be stupid.
But it's just football.Another thing: BCS bid. People like to keep
saying the Big East is going to lose its auto bid, but what proof is there that
that will happen? Adding all those schools will make Big East stronger, and all
non-AQ conferences weaker. They'll keep the bid, especially if the service
academies join. And if for some reason they do lose their auto bid in the Big
East, BYU can just go back to being independent. My point is - it can't hurt to
try. So instead of turning your nose up at the idea, why not look a little
closer at the details
@ IA Cougar, I couldn't have said it better! All this talk of joining an AQ
conference is getting very old and tiresome and a huge waste of time. How about
we win some meaningful games first? Respect will come only after we prove we
can compete with the best. Until then, we'll continue to be irrelevant to the
conversation as more and more people disrespects us and treat us like the ugly
bridesmaid that no one wants. Last night should've been a win but we once again
kept shooting ourselves in the foot with stupid mistakes in the red zone. We
left at least 3 scores on the field because we simply didn't play smart football
when it counts. Riley was great but also tried too much to be a hero and ended
up making costly mistakes.We talk of exposure as one of our main
goals, but that too will be hard to achieve if we can't win the big games.
Neither independence nor belonging to an AQ conference will matter if we can't
compete with the big boys. Those are the only type of games that will generate
excitement and bring in real exposure.
What are the Pros to BYU joining the Big East?-They keep all Olympic
sports in the close-by and alumni-heavy (fan base) WCC.-They are in
the "Club" an AQ Conference, which the Big East will never lose.-Football Bowl opportunites improve immediately, even as a 2nd, 3rd or
4th place team.-Scheduling becomes easier as 5-8 games are built in
annually.No more San Jose St. and Idaho St..-BYU can still
schedule 4-5 games annually with any team ie. Notre Dame, Texas, Georgia Tech
etc.-Bronco said he wanted to play the Academies. Navy and Air Force
fit 2/3 of that bill.-Western Division, means just that, most
Conference games are in the West with Boise St., Air Force, Houston, SMU, and
maybe one or two games a year back East.-A Championship Game (for
BCS berth) in Yankee Stadium one year and Jerry's World the next.-They are in a League which is in the Major Media Markets, which is exactly
why the Big East will never go away.-A Big East Association, will
allow BYU to fill in their non-conference games for B-Ball with Big East
PSThis is BYU's last chance, and with a Football only invite, it's
the Ideal.The Big 12 will "Never" happen, the Pac 12 was
"Never" going to happen and the other Conferences, yea right?The Silver Lining in all of this is the fact that the concept of 4 16 team
Super Conferences with only 64 teams is dead. Unfortunately the BCS
system is "The Governing System". 6 BCS Conferences assures that this
system is here to stay. This new round of Conference re-alignment's has
effectively put every school under the BCS umbrella, that deserves to be there,
except.......BYU.If BYU wants to sit back while schools like Boise
St., SMU, Houston, Air Force and teams which were not even D-1 even ten years
ago (South Florida and Uconn) attain AQ status, then BYU will become the
"Tulane" of College Football. (Tulane voluntarily withdrew
from the SEC years ago) good move?The process has effectively weeded
out the 40 schools or so, which should not even be Division One. Wyoming, San
Jose St. etc, teams which draw 10-15 k per game, c'mon now.Let's
hope BYU makes the move.
mgr63Still nervous about BYU we see.Man are you insecure.
Everyone saying BYU only plays 1-2 games back east is likely wrong. Based on 8
conferance games they would need to play 3 games back east with 5 in their
division. Still this is not bad and they get tons of exposure in huge markets
with the proposed Big east arrangement.Houston, Dallas, and all the
large markets on the East coast.If they went independent for
exposure joining the BE makes more sense than the Big 12. Kansas, Iowa, Ok
City, do not compare with the BE markets.Finally with proposed BE
they would be better than the current BE. BSU, Hoston, BYU, AF vs Pitt,
Syracuse, WV. WV is their only real loss in football although both Pitt and
Syracuse hurt BE B-ball, but BYU would not care there as they will still be in
One last thought. Under proposed BE Lousville is final west division team as
Navy and UCF become east division.WestBYUBSUSMUHoustonLouisvilleAFEastUConnRutgersCinnciNavyUCFUSFChampionship game rotates
between Dallas (Cowboys stadium) and New York City.This should be a
no brainer for BYU so long as the BE can work with the quirkiness that BYU
Bluto makes some good points. So I won't repeat them here.Still, I
bet BYU stays independent.
After watching tonight's game, I think it's obvious that the football team needs
a new coach. Bronco is a good man, but he's taken the team as far as he can.
There's a reason BYU hasn't been in a BCS bowl game. Bronco cannot help his
players execute at a high level (his players consistently make too many
mistakes) and, most importantly, the players have no mental toughness; they
cannot handle pressure. Better prepared, better coached teams like TCU, FSU,
(gulp) Utah consistently beat us now because we crumble under pressure. The
Oklahoma game a few years ago is the only exception. Bronco is better at making
his program appealing to Wasatch Mormons than he is at actually
coaching--"Pursuit of Perfection" come on, what is he the new AP of
his mission. This fall he cut camp short because this team was way
ahead of other teams he's coached?No one noticed Alisa in the beginning of
camp?He thought Heaps was progressing well? I'm also concerned about
his pharisees comment a few weeks ago.I would never want anyone to
lose a job, but, at the same time, BYU is in danger of being permanently
AFCoug: You're right about playing 3 games against the eastern teams. But
every year, 1 or 2 of those games would be out west against an eastern team.
Wouldn't impact your travel. Obviously some years would be worse than
others.I like your division alignment though. I think it is
imminent that Boise State will go. It would be nice to have BYU join them and
build a nice conference rivalry.
Cush81 you hit it right on the head. :) Not every 'east' game would be at
'their' home. Some of them would be right in Provo..... Kansas State brought
back Bill Snyder who helped Kansas State be a power in the 90's and maybe 80's
too.... Why can't BYU bring back our beloved Lavell?
Travel wouldn't be that much of a factor in the decision because as an
independent, BYU is going to be traveling all over the country anyway. I like BYU to the Big East in football only, assuming BSU and Air Force
are also going, as part of a western division. I like it more than BYU going to
the Big 12 in all sports. Though, while Louisville as the 6th member of the
western division would be great, I think it's inevitable that Louisville will
end up in the Big 12.
I hate to say this, but it makes sense for BYU to join the BIG East in football
only. It allows continued affiliation with WCC for non-football sports, gets
BYU the BCS tie in... Provides re-connection with old foes like Air Force...
And I think the affiliation with the BIG East gets BYU's Basketball
some great games.It also gets better exposure than the BIG12 would
get. Playing games on the East Coast is better than playing in Oklahoma and
Kansas. Just sayin...