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Undocumented immigrant population in the West has fallen during recession, economist says

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  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    Oct. 26, 2011 11:54 p.m.

    The numbers in the article are misleading because, once again, the research doesn't differentiate between legal and illegal.
    As far as Georgia is concerned, their issues are a direct result of allowing illegal activity to go on for so long. Its going to hurt at first but by swallowing this painful pill now they limit the long term damage as their economy adjusts and becomes healthy again.
    The longer Utah waits to truly address this issue (as Georgia has done)the more painful the pill will be to swallow. No bill passed in the last legislative session makes any real effort at curbing our illegal immigration issues in the state. They only serve to reward lawbreakers, provide pseudo enforcement, and maintain the status quo for the employers and supporters of illegals.
    Wages and costs of doing business have been artificially suppressed by those who have chosen to participate in, or turn a blind eye to, illegal activities. Those same criminal employers and "hand sitting" politicians would like us to forget the damage they have done and instead give them a pat on the back for the flawed legislation they are shoving down our throats.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 2:05 a.m.

    Statistics are irrelevant, we are talking illegal immigration, the numbers should reflect their numbers only.

    Georgia lost 300 million because the farmers refused to use the guest worker program in effect there H-2A. Americans will work when the wage matches the job. If agriculture wants cheap labor, they need to change the H-2A visa like it was before Obamas administration made it cost double.

    Once again an article that only addresses agriculture, a business that emplys less than 10% of the illegal workforce.

    "Her job, she said, is to tell the story of the numbers, which can tell a different story than the rhetoric." (then just do illegal immigrants. There are other ethnic groups that are not Hispanic that are here illegally)Otherwise the study is pure rhetoric.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    Oct. 27, 2011 2:38 a.m.

    Not all Hispanics are here illegally, and not all people here illegally are Hispanic. I don't see how the graphs fit into this "immigration" summit. But then again, it's not really about immigration, but about illegal aliens, isn't it?

    Between the Republicans protecting business's cheap labor, and the Democrats vision of millions of new voters, enough to sway elections, the core dishonesty of this country is showing.

    My relatives in Athens (Georgia) could of helped out the farmers if they wanted (retired), same with their grandchildren. But people there are so upset over illegal immigration and the mess it has caused, they would not set foot on the farms. They don't know where all these rotting crops are. All the farms around them were picked.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 6:06 a.m.

    Was this meeting closed door? How can they have honest discussion with the public input being shut out?

  • ufound10 duquesne, pa
    Oct. 27, 2011 6:31 a.m.

    I live in Georgia 3/4 of the time ,I haven't noticed a major change in food prices esp. since the crack down on illegals.
    Farmers have complained , because their use to the cheap labor,there are programs that allow guest workers to come and work on farmers. Farmers say the forms for guest workers are to complicated to fill out and it takes too long for the government to give the ok for the workers.I don't mind paying extra for food if it means employing US citizens.I agree with Gov. Deal of Georgia for cracking down on illegals that cost GA 1.2 billion a year, to tax payers of Georgia.
    The writer of this article another liberal, left winger who doesn't see the true negative effects of illegals on our society which is too long to mention.
    Obama and his back door amnesty programs have only made things worse allowing 300,000 illegals work permits which can lead to citizenship if they haven't committed any crimes in the last ten years, the point is their here in this country illegally already , therefore, they have broken the laws.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 6:59 a.m.

    "State Sen. Luz Robles, D- Salt Lake, talks with Mexican Consul Socorro Rovirosa during the immigration conference"

    The same Socorro Rovirosa who led the Hispanic's at the state fair into into multiple "Viva Mexico" shouts?

    He had no reason to be there.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 7:06 a.m.

    "A lower labor supply would result in higher labor costs. However, product costs would also rise."

    In agriculture we have unlimited visas. Most business that hire people illegally pocket the money. Product costs may or may not rise, but would be offset by the reduce taxpayers load on the citizen. Besides, wages would go up and we could better afford it.

    You can't justify illegal immigration as an economic issue. Otherwise you are inviting every man woman and child worse off than you, to take your possessions.

    Using illegal labor that steal our jobs and ids, shows are generation that we are a morally corrupt society.

  • Legal Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 7:28 a.m.

    Just ONCE I'd be interested in hearing about the millions we lose/it costs due to the many crimes committed by illegal aliens - along with the abuse of emergency room services and education costs etc. On 10/21 we can read that Mex. president Calderon now blames the U.S. for the increase in crime since more criminals are being deported. Really? I recently got my tax notice with a significant increase in what I will have to pay. Over 80% of the money goes to the Granite School District in one form or another. How much of that is funding programs that are necessitated by kids whose parents came here illegaly or kids that are undocumented? THAT is news I'd like to get from the Deseret News instead of the barrage of articles trying to make me stop seeing the overwhelmingly negative impact illegals have on my community and me.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 8:00 a.m.

    I wonder how wide the brush was that they used to whitewash this. I do not believe this story and again they blur the line between illegal and legal.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 8:27 a.m.

    Any time the number of criminals in our communities decreases, this is a good thing.

    Muy Bien!

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 8:30 a.m.

    The Pew Hispanic Center's chief demographer is Jeffrey Passel, formerly of the census bureau. He calculates the number of illegal aliens by using the remainder method and a 10% undercount factor.
    The assumption is that 90% of all foreign-born will respond to the census (including the illegal aliens). We know who is naturalized. We know who has a green card. The remainder must be the number of illegal aliens.
    Bad assumption. When Passel was telling us 12 million illegal aliens, other sources had it at 20 million based on school enrollment and housing data.
    The Idaho professor is basing her data on Pew.
    But anecdotes and shaky data are just what a conference like this one thrives on.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 8:33 a.m.

    Huge factor in the problem is the governor general Shurtleff. Is he opposed to seeing reality?

    Instead of trying to oppose the people of the state he should offer to hire people who will systematically assist in the deportation of the thousands of illegals, Hispanic or other.

    That would lower unemployment, would increase the number of jobs by taking away people who are here and hired illegally. It would lower taxes, medical costs and educational costs foisted on the taxpayer by lax enforcement of existing laws.

    It would raise tax revenues for the state as those working would be paying taxes.

    In Utah, medical costs for illegals are in excess of $1,000,000 monthly and that money can hire a lot of people to assist with the removal of illegals.

  • BoomerJeff Saint George, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 8:44 a.m.

    My best friend was in a motorcycle accident and he is unable to have kids. An illegal alien hit him and changed his life forever. Had we inforced the laws, my friend would now be a father and grandfather. So this article seems like a joke to me.

  • danaslc Kearns, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 8:55 a.m.

    They really need to leave the legal Hispanics alone. They are American's first and foremost. Lets keep it straight. Illegal Immigrants are not citizens and should have no right to be here. Those hiring them are breaking the law. Those renting to them are breaking the law. Benefits they get off of the tax payers back should not even exist. Those people at that meeting are all breaking the law. Follow the law, we get our jobs back. our taxes go down, our jails are less full, our police officers are safe and we can control a terrible gang and drug problem in this state. Why does nobody mention this at those meetings?

  • Monsieur le prof Sandy, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 8:55 a.m.

    Even if only 1/3 of the immigrants have come here in the past 10 years, that's stll a sizeable amount that shouldn't be here at all. The comment about the Hispanic use of health care not being "disproportionate" makes no sense, either. If its use is illegal and costs taxpayers money, then it is still a drain on the economy.

    Again, not differentiating between legal and illegal makes the article useless, although I suspect most were illegal.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 9:27 a.m.

    I wonder if those being paid with OUR tax dollars ever feel guilty about representing the interests of illegal trespassers from other countries over the interests of LEGAL TAXPAYING American citizens?

    Probably not!

  • Hawkins HURRICANE, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 9:33 a.m.

    Marjorie Cortez you are supposed to be be a investigative reporter! Investigate this and rewrite your story.
    Uphold the laws that we have now...First! Save your petty for someone else.

    The 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution reads in part:

    "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside."

    Babies born to illegal alien mothers within U.S. borders are called anchor babies because under the 1965 immigration Act, they act as an anchor that pulls the illegal alien mother and eventually a host of other relatives into permanent U.S. residency. (Jackpot babies is another term).

    The United States did not limit immigration in 1868 when the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified. Thus there were, by definition, no illegal immigrants and the issue of citizenship for children of those here in violation of the law was nonexistent. Granting of automatic citizenship to children of illegal alien mothers is a recent and totally inadvertent and unforeseen result of the amendment and the Reconstructionist period in which it was ratified.

  • 2funny midvale, utah
    Oct. 27, 2011 9:37 a.m.

    Why is it that all these stories try to make illegals as not doing nothing wrong??? I just dont understand can i break the law if im only tring to make me a better life????

  • oldasdirt Grantsville, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 9:53 a.m.

    I am confused if I have to say undocumented immigrants for those illegal aliens , do I have to call a bank robber a non depositing bank customer?

  • CJ Murray, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 10:11 a.m.

    More DN propaganda with the never ending pictures of Luz Robles, the representative of the Mexican government in the Utah legislature.

  • Noodlekaboodle Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 10:13 a.m.

    @Legal
    Um, you are paying more in property taxes for 2 reasons. 1, even thought the value of your home went down the county is allowed to increase tax rates to make up for lost revenue due to forclosure/home value depriciation. 2, All of SL county has to pay extra to support the Jordan and Canyon schools because they decided they just had to split. Not so much illegal immigrants....

  • Wastintime Los Angeles, CA
    Oct. 27, 2011 10:50 a.m.

    re:RRB
    It was Bush who origninally changed the H2a program.
    The original idea behind the Bush administration's changes to the H-2A program--which went through a lengthy rulemaking process--was to cut out the red tape in the visa process and make the wage structure more efficient.

    However, for farm workers, there was a major problem: it also reduced wages for H-2A visa holders. In North Carolina for example, agricultural guest workers would be paid $7.25 and $8.51 per hour under the Bush rules. Under the Obama Labor Department's plan, which adhered to regulations that had been in place since 1987, H-2A workers in North Carolina would have received $9.34 per hour.

    The visa program needs revamping, but not in the way Republicans want--reducing protections for workers.

    Re:Doug10
    I would be interested to know where you got your statistics on the cost of medical care for illegal immigrants in Utah. Hospitals typically don't even determine pts. immigration status nor do they keep record of immigration status.

  • bbball WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 11:44 a.m.

    Ridiculous! Deport illegals and prosecute those who employ them!

  • desplin Saint George, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 12:14 p.m.

    The statistics are incomplete. It would be interesting to know how many of those reported as 'native born' are children of people who are in the country illegally. Our laws or constitution need to be changed so that babies of non citizens don't get citizenship automatically. 'anchor babies' are potentially one of the biggest economic costs of illegal immigration.

  • NotBuyingIt MIDVALE, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 1:05 p.m.

    This is more pro-illegal immigration mumbo-jumbo. To begin with, you have to be pretty ignorant to believe that we "need" illegal labor. To believe this, you must believe that the work currently being done by illegals would not get done if they were not here. This is ridiculous. Are hotels going to stop offering maid service? No. Are restaurants going to stop bussing tables and washing dishes? No. Are farmers going to stop farming? Are builders going to stop building? Are landscapers going to stop landscaping? No. No. No. Undoubtedly, some segments of the economy have become dependent upon illegal labor, but that is only because they have had access to illegal labor. Get rid of the illegal labor and they will have no choice but to transition to legal, American labor. This will get millions of Americans off of welfare and unemployment and put them in the workforce where they will earn money; spend money and start paying income taxes rather than live off the taxpayers. There is NO downside to enforcing immigration laws.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Oct. 27, 2011 2:00 p.m.

    Illegal immigration is a huge slap in the face to all those immigrants who waited their turn and came here legally.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 3:33 p.m.

    "The research also revealed that dairy workers' use of local health care systems was not 'disproportionate.'"

    But they, i.e. the illegals, and their offspring, ARE using those -- and many other -- resources, right? And is this not an UNFAIR liability for the American taxpayer?

    "A lower labor supply would result in higher labor costs. However, product costs would also rise."

    Not necessarily. The cost of labor constitutes only a rather small part of the overall cost of production.

    "'It doesn't matter what you're paying. You're not going to get people to fill those jobs unless they're doing that kind of work,' Bridges said."

    The same-old, "you can offer Americans 50 bucks an hour but they still won't do it because they're such pansies" malarkey. American workers are the best workers in the world -- if you pay them a fair wage.

  • AZ Border Dude Naco, AZ
    Oct. 27, 2011 11:56 p.m.

    Not buying it and others who think that the cost of labor is a small part of retail price and their fist full of "No," comments. One reply applies to all of them. If you raise the price of an element in the cost of doing business does it proportionally raise overall retail costs ot the product? Yes, unless more economical means are employed in other areas that offset the costs, such as mechanization or robotics.

    A major problem is Congress sets quotas for the H-2 visas. Their data is typically very old because it takes many, many months to research the needs and get legislation through Congress. The system needs revamping. The states and industries using low cost labor can give better input for near future needs than Congress. The problem with the farm worker and the visa program, an immigrant must have an employer sponsor and job waiting for them. Typical farm operations only know how many, but not who, of that equation. Thus the current guest worker criteria doesn't work for that labor force. The same may also apply to other seasonal operations.

    The article did not explain the headline, thus was confusing.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    Oct. 28, 2011 3:26 a.m.

    First of all, an immigrant is a person who is coming to the USA legally, having done the necessary paper work to become an immigrant. So what is a illegal immigrant? Shouldn't they be called illegal aliens or undocumented trespassers or lawbreakers? If the statistics are correct I am pleased and ask is there something we, the citizens, can do to expedite the deportation of the rest of the illegals? I see the numbers increasing in my community not decreasing. Gov officials, do what the oath you swore to says......uphold and enforce the laws. We will vote you out if you don't.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    Oct. 28, 2011 3:31 a.m.

    I forgot to add - Viva LEGAL Immigration.

  • PHealey Holladay, UT
    Oct. 30, 2011 4:30 p.m.

    She shows an interesting lack of perspective, I haven't even read the whole article because of this simply statment:
    "Only one third of the Mountain West's Hispanic immigrants moved to the region in the past 10 years," said Salant
    A 33% increase when the original population ( the fastest in the country) is growing at no more than 10% is staggering. When did 33% become not to big of a deal in providing additional infrastructure? The rhetoric comes from people like this also Ms. Salant