Before the Ute haters give their 2 bits worth, yes, we know that we are going to
be challenged. But we'll come out on top. It wasn't that long ago that the
Utes were going to the Sweet 16 each year, including a run to the National
Championship game. And during that same time our rival was going through rough
(1-25) seasons. Things have a way of evening themselves out.Go
Well, at least this way if you do not finish last you've exceeded
@GoRedJust like utah "fans" like to remind BYU fans how
long ago their Football National Championship happened let's just say it has
been over a decade, almost a decade and a half, since utah didn't win the
basketball national championship against Kentucky. It has also been a decade and
a half since BYU hit rock bottom in basketball, which by the way they bounced
right back from in 2 seasons. In otherwords, and to quote every utah
"fan" that has ever posted on this site, those things are
"ancient history" and completely irrelevent. I hate to
burst your bubble but you will not "come out on top". utah will never
be a pac10 basketball power and will only occasionally be competitive. This year
they will be abysmal and may not win a pac10 game.Current reality is
sometimes hard to take but the truth is you have absolutely nothing to look
forward to with the utah basketball program. It was left to rot in favor of the
@DuckhunterAre you a psychic bro? Because you're acting like one.BYU turned their basketball program around when they were just awful.
Utah hasn't been 1-25 bad, so what makes you think that a Ute
turnaround is just so far out of reach? I just have to laugh at your
"love" for the University of Utah. Grow up a little! The amount of
effort you put forth to not like Utah is downright hilarious. How old are you
again....?Anyways, Utah's basketball program will turnaround and get
better; it wasn't long ago when Utah was very very good.Heck...
There is no where to go but up!GO UTES!!!!
Duckhunter, I'm a BYU fan, but I think you are too hard on Utah. This year Utah
will not contend for the PAC-12 championship, so I agree with you, but as the
underdogs they will have nothing to lose, so they may win a few more than people
think (i.e., they won't rot). Going forward, in my opinion, the Utes biggest
challenge will be recruiting. Top BCS level programs rely heavily on players
that rarely stay for 4 years. Some schools like Kentucky have new faces every
year because their starting lineups are all drafted. Unlike football where depth
and talent may be developed, college basketball has more of a revolving door. I
think this difference will make it harder for Utah to compete in basketball than
in football. The good news for Utah is that the PAC-12 is not a
historically strong basketball league. So Utah will have a chance, especially
when it has a strong line-up of seniors and juniors that have been in the
program. It is bad timing that Utah is joining a much better league right now.
It will make recruiting at a BCS level harder if they finish last.
socalcougar,Appreciate the classy comments. You're an entirely
different caliber cougar fan than Duckhunter. However, I have to
disagree with you on recruiting. When Utah was in the WAC and MWC under Jerry
Pimm and Rick Majerus they never lacked the talent to make it to sweet 16's,
elite 8's, and final fours (Van Horn, Miller, Bogut, Chambers, Vranes eyc.).
Basketball is very different from football from a recruting perspective... If
you have 1 or 2 really good players, you can go deep in the tournament (see
Jimmer).Good luck to the Utes & Cougs this year
DuckhunterYou tell us! Way to come in here and put us in our place.
Seriously, who let's this guys posts through?
bottom of the pac 12, tell us how the view is from the bottom.
I see those from the Y who believe that one year of semi success now makes them
basketball critics and knowledgeable have come to talk trash. I am
always amazed at the arrogance of those who wear the blue.
Awh, Ducky out from the hole he crawled in after the Utah BYU game I see, once
again sharing his biased beyond belief dower predictions regarding the Utes.
Duckhunter you must enjoy eating crow. Prepare for the next course. Bon
And yet all of the utah "fans" on here know I am right. utah's
basketball program is awful, why pretend otherwise? And no utah will not turn it
around as quickly as BYU did, if they ever turn it around, and I'll tell you
why.There are 1000's of kids that dream of playing basketball at
BYU, letterally thousands of them. There isn't a single kid alive that drams of
playing basketball for utah.BYU will always get enough good players
to be a good team as long as the coaching is good. utah does not have that built
in advantage. That is why BYU was able to bounce back to a winning record 2
years after only winning 1 game wereas utah has been mired in mediocrity for the
last 6 years. Many of the utah "fans" on here have claimed
that utah is now a football school, I understand them wanting to make that claim
since their basketball programs litterally sucks and their football program is
ok, and they are correct in one aspect. They are a school that can only support
one decent program, they do not have the resources to support 2. Basketball's
I hope they do better than that. Basketball in the PAC is much more competitive
top to bottom than football. There usually aren't any really bad teams.
JustGordon I am always amazed at the arrogance of those who wear the
blue.---------------------Thanks for sharing today's wardrobe
choice with us.
Duckie- So what? in athletics there are ups and downs. Even the most storied
programs rebuild and aren't on top every year. And speaking of storied programs,
let's just end this now shall we? Utes- NIT champs, NCAA champs, several final
four and Elite 8 appearances. Cougs-NEVER been to a Final Four! Again, so what?
we've been picked 10.2th (thanks to pac 10.2doormat for his moronic term) As
stated above, if we even finish 11th we'll be exceeding expectations. The team
will be back in the Sweet 16 before the Cougars will, so let's talk when you
find another Jimmy.
JustGordon"I see those from the Y who believe that one year of
semi success now makes them basketball critics and knowledgeable"Having the concensus national player-of-the-year and coming within two points
of the Elite Eight without your star center is much more than just having
semi-success.Despite your hyperbole, Utah fans would give their
eye-teeth to have the kind of "semi-success" that BYU has had during
the Dave Rose era.BYU Utah Basketball 2006-2010Last 5
Seasons (MWC)2010 BYU 30-6 (2nd) Sweet Sixteen2009 BYU 25-8 (1st)
2nd Round2008 BYU 27-7 (1st) 1st Round2007 BYU 25-9 (1st) 1st
Round2006 BYU 20-9 (2nd) NITTotal BYU 127-39 (77%) 2010
Utah 14-17 (5th)2009 Utah 25-10 (1st) 1st Round2008 Utah 18-15
(6th)2007 Utah 11-19 (6th)2006 Utah 14-15 (6th)Utah 82-76
(52%)Utah couldn't even beat the bottom-dwellers of the WCC last
season.Oh, and just in case you've forgotten, BYU has won 9 of the
last 10 head-to-head games, including the most lopsided HC beat-down in BYU-Utah
@T-MacYou make a good point. Utah had some good talent on those
teams and proved it in the NCAA tournament. If Utah can get those type of
players, they will be just fine in the PAC-12.Being in the PAC-12
will help them with recruiting. But they will need better players than they've
had the last several years. Hopefully being the PAC-12 will change that. Time
It's interesting how the Ute haters such as Duckhunter come on and predict their
rival's hoped-for demise. Just a reminder:NCAA National
Championships:Utah 1BYU 0National Championship games
played in:Utah 2BYU 0Final Fours played in:Utah
4BYU 0Sweet Sixteen appearances:Utah 9BYU 2And I could go on and on, like comparing All-American players with both
schools, but it really is irrelevant. The only thing that is important is that
the University of Utah is now in a high-profile conference, a conference that
BYU "fans" would kill to be a part of.Duckhunter, your
posts always come across as sour grapes.
What does Chris B. predict for the Utes?
@GoRedUh....utah has NEVER won the basketball national championship.
utah "fans" try to perpetuate that untruth but the fact is they have
not. When they won the ncaa tourney 70 years ago it was an upstart tourney that
was at best the #2 tourney of that time. Sorry to have to continue to set you
all straight but it seems as if none of you realize National Championships have
to actually be National Championships.LOL!
Duckhunter,In what year did the NCAA become the "true"
national championship game, 1946, 1951, 1979, 2011? Cite your sources.I guess you'll have to count Utah's 1947 NIT as a true national champonship,
right? Or do you have some way to explain away that one too?
Who cares about history. Sure, Utah's history is better than BYU's, but let's
not lower our standards to the history argument, let somebody else do that. We
know we don't have a great team, but so far I like the way the new coach has
handled the situation, and seeing a couples of recruits coming in next year, we
have decent talent on the horizon. It may not be as far off as we think. They
have to prove it on the court though, and THAT is the most important thing, NOT
being in a "high profile conference". The program needs to win, no
matter where they are at. At any rate,Go Utes!
T-Mac 1944 NCAA Champions - Utah1944 NIT Champions - St.
Johns1944 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS - ARMYSorry to burst your
bubble, but Utah has never won a national championship in basketball. Trying to
claim a national championship for winning the 2nd rate tournament of the day,
with only 3 regular season wins and a 3-1 record in post season is ridiculous.
Envy, jealousy and hatred brings out the "fans" of our former rival.
byu's basketball program has never reached a Final Four and has a very poor NCAA
Tournament record. duhkhunter, your team plays in the WCC which is several
steps down from an elite league such as the PAC-12.You say no young
man dreams of being a Utah Ute basketball or football player, come on! Sour
grapes! You make me laugh!Please feel free to pound your chest over
a couple of Sweet 16 appearances in your school's entire history and a football
NC played in a 3rd tier bowl game against a team tied for 6th place in a 10 team
league. Thank you for your continued obsession with The University
of Utah.Go Utes!
I for one will wait to see how many of this years team members will remain and
not bolt for another program when the going gets rough. Let's face it, these
kids like to win and if they don't and are getting beat badly in games, they
will run just like several did last year. All it takes is one to run and soon a
few more will follow. If the Utes don't win a few games in the PAC-12, they will
suffer and suffer bad for years to come. The reason BYU came back so quickly is
due to their being a private school, one that people look forward to going to
for many years. The U is just another state sponsored school. I don't mean that
in a really negative way, but people are more likely to be solidly for a school
like BYU than a state run school.
T-MacFrom 1939, when the NCAA Tournament started, the Helms Athletic
Foundation and NCAA Division I champions were the same, except for 1939, 1940,
1944, and 1954 when Oregon, Indiana, Utah, and La Salle respectively won the
tournament.In 1944, Army(15-0) was the national champion; Utah(6-1)
didn't come close1947 - Holy Cross(27-3)1951 - Kentucky(32-2)
Of course Utah was picked last in the league. I would have put them there too
based on the turnover from last season. I don't think they will end up last in
the Pac-12 if they play like coach K wants them too (tough as nails with lock
down defense) Looking over their schedule, I expect them to have 9
or 10 wins going into Pac-12 play. If they can grow together during that
stretch I think they will compete very nicely in the Pac-12 and probably be
somewhere around .500 in the Pac-12. I will say that I'm more excited about
Utah hoops this year than I have been since the Majerus years.Go
It's going to be a long, long, long, empty red seat season.... and
I'm very jealous and bitter about it. Please point this out to me over and over
and again, again and again.
@Go Red"Things have a way of evening themselves out."Ute chest thumping for 18 months about being in the PAC 10.2 and
disappointing seasons in both football and basketball the first season. Yep,
that would be karma.
MidMajor4everJealous of a team that barely has a winning record the
last six years, that has lost 9 of its last 10 against its rival, and that is
picked to finish dead last in the PAC 12?bwahahah!
@duckhunter, et al.The University of Utah has the NCAA 1944 trophy
in the Huntsman Center as proof. I'm not sure where you're getting your made-up
information. The only thing debatable is the supposed 1984 football
trophy that byu had made to represent their undefeated season.
GoRedBYU football 1984 was selected concensus national champion by
all five major college football selecting organizations.Who selected
Utah basketball 1944 national champion?The fact that Utah was
invited to both the 1944 NIT and NCAA tournaments, but chose to accept their
invitation to the NIT instead of the NCAA, proves which tournament even the Utes
thought was more prestigious.That said, the only major selecting
organization of the day, the Helms Athletic Foundation, didn't choose either
tournament champion - Army was chosen as the 1944 national champion.Utah has a 1944 NCAA champion trophy in their trophy case, NOT a national
championship trophy.BYU has FIVE 1984 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP trophies
in their trophy case, including the exact same trophy that will be awarded to
the winner of this year's BCS championship game.You can question
whether BYU was worthy or deserving of winning the championship, but the only
people who question whether BYU actually won the 1984 championship are jealous
BYU-haters.It's part of college football history now. Deal with it.
GoRedIt's hillarious that Utah fans would even think of claiming a
national championship for 1944, but then have the hypocrisy to whine about the
legitimacy of BYU's 1984 national championship.Here's a reality
check:Utah 1944 had three regular season wins - Idaho State (twice)
and Colorado College - that's it. Why? Because Utah,
Idaho State and Colorado College were the ONLY three colleges in the entire
Intermountain area that were still playing basketball in 1944.The
same was true for the rest of the country - hardly anybody was still playing
basketball, which is why Utah was invited to take another team's place in the
NCAA tournament, AFTER the Utes lost in the opening round of the NIT.Slice it anyway you like, but 1944 was the least competitive NCAA tournament
in history and the winner was never officially recognized as the national
champion by any organization.On the other hand, BYU 1984 was
officially recognized by the AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, and UPI as the 1984 major
college football national champion.
Duckhunter | 10:34 a.m. Oct. 20, 2011Current reality is sometimes
hard to take but the truth is you have absolutely nothing to look forward to
with the utah basketball program. It was left to rot in favor of the football
team. -------------True. Ask Dave Rose if he would like
compete in the PAC-12 or WCC.The basketball program was playing in
the Sweet 16 in 2005 the same year Utah was the first BCS Buster to play in a
BCS game in January.That same season BYU basketball was 9-21 and
their football team finished 5-7.Utah basketball has ABSOLUTELY
everything to look forward to, case in point Utah just signed the 2012 #1 Utah
recruit and ESPN 100 Jordan Loveridge.
Yes, once again Duckhunter proves he is the king of kick 'em while they're down.
He also would like us all to believe he knows what every basketball playing kid
in the country feels. He said the same thing about football too, but then
Austin Lee from Alta High School blew that claim for him when he said Utah was
the only school he ever wanted to go to.Duckhunter's credibility is
low and his arrogance is high, so don't put too much stock in his comments.
So funny how the Ute hater trolls come out at anything negative. We will be
fine. We will be much better, even if we do finish last, in the long run than
b?U finishing third or fourth in the WCC.Have fun in the Jr. High
gymnasiums!!BTW, what is a Torero or a Don?Go Utes!!
Onward and Upward!!
@Uteanymous/VeritasWhy so much obsession with Utah? :)
Why so much anymousity from BYU fans about Utes being excited to be in the Pac
12? I'm sure you would have been excited had your team gotten invited as well
and don't try to tell us you didn't want the invite. Tom Holmoe stated BYU had
been hoping for a Pac 10 invite for decades and Bronco just stated his
preference is to be in a BCS conference.Of course, since so many BYU
fans have come on this article to kick us while we're down let's take a look at
your team's situation. BYU is currently ranked 47th in the preseason coaches
poll. It's gonna be tough to improve on that in the WCC. Welcome to life
without Jimmer and in a less respected conference. Don't get me wrong. It will
be a while before the Utes get to participate in March Madness, but BYU would
almost be a lock if they were in the Pac 12.
Uteology"Why so much obsession with Utah?"For
definition of obsession with rival, see mirror.btw, ask Coach-K2 if
he'd like to have Dave Roses' record after 6 seasons.BYU will be
just fine in the WCC. Conference affiliation in basketball is much less
important, especially once you've established a track record in the NCAA
tournament. Dave Rose has already done that with five straight trips to the Big
Oh this is fun....LOL!
@ DuckhunterVery much so!
Trollers keep on trollin' I guess. Guys seriously, cheer for your own team. On
both sides. I'm pretty sure the majority of people on this board aren't older
than 10. At least try to look mature, people.