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  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 17, 2011 11:37 a.m.

    Time to start winning some conference games. Looking forward to this one against Cal.

    It's nice to see the Niners winning with Alex at QB. He didn't look very polished, but they handed the Lions their first loss of the season. Keep up the good work.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 17, 2011 11:54 a.m.

    The funny thing about Cullen's "dirty, dirty" play was that Alexcih was shoving John White when Cullen cleaned him from the side. Stupid play, but at least Cullen was picking on someone that wasn't a hundred and ten pounds smaller than himself.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 17, 2011 12:58 p.m.

    Don't be fooled by the Post-Gazette's link for the story "Mendenhall quiets his critics yet again". It is about Rashard, not Roscoe.

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 17, 2011 2:38 p.m.

    Love Bergstom's comments about the Ute's play. The Pitt player just did not like being dominated.

  • NT Springville, UT
    Oct. 17, 2011 2:48 p.m.

    Great year for Ute fans...to look back and reminisce

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 17, 2011 3:48 p.m.

    "Great year for Ute fans...to look back and reminisce"

    NT:

    Unlike Y-ners, we need only go back a couple of years to remember the good old days, not a couple of generations.

    7 of 10, and counting.

  • PAC 10.2 Doormat Springville, UT
    Oct. 17, 2011 7:21 p.m.

    Clash of the Cellar Dwellers... is it on TV?

  • Highlight WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Oct. 17, 2011 9:10 p.m.

    Amen Brother CougarKeith, Amen.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Oct. 18, 2011 8:29 a.m.

    MidMajor4ever

    Been to many, many games at RES and Utah fans have been sneaking beer and hard liquor into RES for decades. Take a look around the stands after a game and you'll see plenty of empty beer and liquor containers.

    Utah fans get all nostalgic about 2004 because Utah has NOTHING worthy of being nostalgic about prior to 2004.

  • hohum Saint George, UT
    Oct. 18, 2011 8:43 a.m.

    Mid major: I don't think cougar was saying they bought the beer there. Been to Wyo games and others, lot of drinking, didn't buy it there, but they did it to keep from freezing, you know anti-freeze.

  • U WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Oct. 18, 2011 10:44 a.m.

    @mussingaround
    "Utah fans get all nostalgic about 2004 because Utah has NOTHING worthy of being nostalgic about prior to 2004"

    Y fans have nothing to be nostalgic about after 1984. Unless of course your nostalgic about the Utes dominating the rivalry 7 of 10, waxing the Y on their home feild 54 - 10, and watching the Utes win BCS bowls that is! I guess I would prefer to be nostalgic recently about my team, then having it be 27 years ago, what about you?

  • Ibleedcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 18, 2011 10:59 a.m.

    U

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Oct. 18, 2011 12:06 p.m.

    Y>U

    BYU fans have much to be nostalgic about since 1984 -- Heisman Trophy, Doak Walker, Outland Trophy, Davey O'Brien, and Sammy Baugh winners, multiple, National College Football Hall of Fame inductees, a dozen AP Top 25 finishes, multiple 10+ win seasons, 20+ conference championships, and many, many beatdowns of the kids on the hill, and many memorable bowl games, including the 1996 Cotton Bowl, which was every bit as much of an accomplishment as the only two highlights of Utah's entire football existence.

    btw, 56-6 is still the largest beatdown in history of the BYU-Utah series, and U know who was the object of that beatdown at Rice Stadium.

    It's hillarious that BYU already has a PAC 12 win, while Utah is still winless in their new conference.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Oct. 18, 2011 12:19 p.m.

    Y vs U

    "Unless of course your nostalgic... I guess I would prefer to be nostalgic recently about my team..."

    Utah is a two-hit wonder, and little else; enjoy your "nostalgia", because it's fading quickly.

    It's too bad that even in the heyday of Utah football, the Utes still weren't able to finish in the AP Top 25 as many times as BYU.

    AP Top 25 Finishes (2000's)
    BYU 5
    Utah 4

    Just curious, do they teach English at the U.

    "your" /= "you're" or "you are"

  • U WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Oct. 18, 2011 12:24 p.m.

    Mussingaround,

    Let me help you out that cotton bowl was played in 1997 not 1996 it was almost 15 years ago lol! Also that season does not match our two BCS bowl titles. For 1 the Y was'nt even un-beatin that year, 2 they beat an overrated Kansas st. team by 4?? Not sure how that compares to two undefeated seasons, and two BCS bowl wins??

    Your laughable you say its hillarious the Y has a PAC12 win before Utah. Well how hillarious does it make it the Y was waxed on their home feild 54 - 10 by a winless PAC12 Utah team then??

  • U WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Oct. 18, 2011 12:45 p.m.

    Phoenix,

    AP Top 5 Finishes (2000's)
    Utah 2
    Byu 0

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Oct. 18, 2011 1:01 p.m.

    U

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Oct. 18, 2011 1:32 p.m.

    U less than Y

    Let me help you with your confusion about BYU's 1996 Cotton Bowl winning team (the bowl was played in 1997, but during the 1996 season).

    If the BCS had started in 1996 with the exact rules as existed in 2004, BYU would have been a lock to be the first BCS buster.

    BYU 1996 won back-to-back games against Top 25 opponents
    Utah 2004 didn't play a single Top 25 opponent (both polls)

    BYU played 7 teams with winning records: 9-3, 6-5, 6-5, 7-4, 8-4, 10-2, 9-3
    Utah played 4 teams with winning records: 7-5, 7-5, 7-5, 8-4

    BYU won 14 games; BYU's only loss was on the road to #16/#15 Washington(9-3)
    Utah won 12 games; Utah's toughest road games were CSU(7-5) and Wyoming(7-5)

    BYU's quarterback won the Sammy Baugh Trophy and finished 3rd in Heisman voting
    Utah's quarteback won NOTHING and finished 4th in Heisman voting

    Comparing bowl opponents is a joke:

    BYU beat #17/#17 Kansas State
    Utah beat #25/unranked Pittsburgh

    BYU finished #5/#5
    Utah finished #4/#5

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Oct. 18, 2011 1:35 p.m.

    U less than Y

    Top 15 Finishes (Last 5 Years)
    BYU 3
    Utah 1

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Oct. 18, 2011 1:46 p.m.

    What's hillarious is claiming you're one of the big boys when it's already late October and you haven't won your first game in your "big boy" conference.

    More and more the BYU-Utah game is proving to be just what it was, a fluke!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Oct. 18, 2011 3:22 p.m.

    SportsFan:

    "If the BCS had started in 1996 with the exact rules as existed in 2004, BYU would have been a lock to be the first BCS buster."

    Not so. The rules that existed in 2004 stipulated a Top-6 ranking in the Final BCS poll. Not a Top-6 ranking in the AP or Coaches polls. The Final BCS poll uses SOS.

    In 2004, there were only 4 BCS bowls; not 5. At the end of the regular season, the #1 team was Florida St. FSU played #2 Florida in the Sugar. UF won, and finished #1. FSU finished #3. UF and FSU represented the Champions of the SEC and the ACC. Unranked Texas upset #4 Nebraska in the Big XII Championship game and grabbed the automatic bid to the Fiesta. Va. Tech won the Big East and took the auto bid to the Orange. This left 2 at large bids. Those bids went to Top-10 ranked B10 runner-up Penn St. [Fiesta] and Top-10 ranked Big XII runner-up Nebraska [Orange].

    Penn St. beat ranked Northwestern and Mich. Neb. beat ranked K-State and Colorado. The Y beat #22 Wyoming. Period. No BCS for you.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Oct. 18, 2011 5:35 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    Since the BCS poll didn't exist in 1996, there's no way you can prove that a team that was ranked #5 in both the AP and Coaches polls, wouldn't have been ranked that high in the BCS poll.

    In 2004, Utah managed to finish #6 in the BCS poll playing only three teams with winning records, none of them with a record better than 7-5.

    Sorry, as usual, your spin isn't supported by the facts.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Oct. 18, 2011 5:50 p.m.

    @mussingaround

    It's hilarious BYU (aka Notre Dame of the West) has been been in "discussions" for 30 years with the BCS conference yet Utah, Boise, and Air Force have the invites.

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    Oct. 18, 2011 6:04 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    It's absolutely hillarious how you try to belittle BYU's pre-bowl win over #22/#22 Wyoming(10-2) in the 1996 WAC championship game, but completely ignore the fact that Utah 2004 qualified for a BCS bowl without beating a single team with a record better than 7-5; in fact the Utes snuck into a BCS bowl by only beating three teams with winning records.

    Utah 2004 was probably better than Utah 2008, but Utah 2004 played a pathetically weak schedule.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Oct. 18, 2011 6:13 p.m.

    Uteology

    It's even more hillarious that BYU has a better PAC 12 record, than the mighty Utes.

    BYU 1-1
    Utah 0-3

    Utah killed its chances of ever playing in another BCS game by joining the PAC 12.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Oct. 18, 2011 6:31 p.m.

    SportsFan:

    "Since the BCS poll didn't exist in 1996, there's no way you can prove that a team that was ranked #5 in both the AP and Coaches polls, wouldn't have been ranked that high in the BCS poll...Sorry, as usual, your spin isn't supported by the facts."

    And where are the "facts" to support YOUR spin? Can YOU prove the cougars WOULD have made it in??? If I have to prove they wouldn't, then you have to prove they would! And if you can't, then you can't say the '96 cougars would have been the original BCS busters.

    Get the net, grab your box of Kleenex, wipe your tears, and admit that not only is UTAH the official "Original BCS-Busters", but we're ALSO the official "Original 2-Time BCS-Busters". Boise State followed our act, and then TCU. But not you. You NEVER busted the BCS. Not even once, like Hawai'i.

    In terms of "BCS Busters" the cougars are NOT to be in the same discussion as us. Leave BCS Busting talk to the Utes, Broncos, and Frogs, and admit that your Indy-WAC program has nothing to hang their hat on.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 18, 2011 7:23 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    Must you always throw a temper tantrum everytime you lose an argument?

    One of the reasons the BCS was created was because of the threat of Congressional action after #5 BYU was shut out of an alliance bowl.

    btw, I noticed that you completely dodged addressing Utah's pathetic 2004 schedule and how a team that only beat three opponents with winning records somehow managed to sneak into a BCS game.

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Oct. 18, 2011 8:08 p.m.

    and since so many of you byu fans wanna pound your chest about byu having a better pac 12 record... why dont you actually play somebody from the pac 12 worth mentioning. WOW you beat osu BIG DEAL. play one of the teams utah lost to then talk about having a better pac 12 record

  • CG Orem, UT
    Oct. 18, 2011 11:23 p.m.

    sportsfanforlife

    "why dont you actually play somebody from the pac 12 worth mentioning"

    Utah fans have been spouting for over a year that simply being in the PAC 12 makes U an elite program. Now you're telling us that there are dogs even in the AQ conferences?

    lol

    So where does that leave the U, winless against the PAC 12?

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Oct. 19, 2011 12:05 a.m.

    8th is better than last weeks 9th. A win at Cal could move them up to 7th. By season's end they could very well be 6th (3rd in the South) which is right where the vast majority of publications and knowledgable fans put them at the beginning of the year.
    ====

    No question the 1996 BYU football team was good. Had the BCS existed then, BYU would have deserved a BCS bowl. The Cotton Bowl, however, is nothing to scoff at. Still, I'm convinced that Y trolls on here throwing Utah's 2004 team under the bus do so for a simple reason: pride and jealousy.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Oct. 19, 2011 12:51 a.m.

    The same Y-trolls throwing Utah'04 under the bus would have no problem explaining away BYU's schedule/bowl opponent during their one undefeated season, 1984, in which they were awarded a somewhat controversial national championship.

    Let's compare.

    Win against Pitt? Check.
    " " overmatched bowl opponent? Check.
    " " hapless Utah State? Check.
    " " average arch rival? Check.
    " " mediocre team from warm climate? Check. (Zona/Baylor)
    " " team from a lower class...oops just BYU (Tulsa/MVC)
    " " horrible four letter school? Check. (UNLV/UTEP)

    '04Utah:
    Texas A&M 7-4 (+bowl loss)
    Arizona 3-8
    AFA 5-6
    USU 3-8
    NM 7-4(+bowl loss)
    UNC 6-5 (+bowl loss)
    Wyoming 6-5 (+bowl win)
    BYU 5-6
    CSU 4-7
    NM 4-7
    UNLV 2-9
    Pitt 8-3 (+bowl loss)

    '84BYU:
    Pitt 3-7-1
    Baylor 5-6
    Tulsa 6-5, MVC
    Hawaii 7-4
    CSU 3-8
    Wyoming 6-6
    AF 7-4 (+bowl win)
    New Mexico 4-8
    UTEP 2-9
    SDSU 4-7-1
    Utah 6-5-1
    Utah St. 1-10
    Michigan 6-5 (+bowl loss)

    '84BYU won the NC and the haters hate 'em for it.
    '04Utah busted the BCS and the haters hate 'em for it.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Oct. 19, 2011 10:33 a.m.

    Uteanymous:

    "btw, I noticed that you completely dodged addressing Utah's pathetic 2004 schedule and how a team that only beat three opponents with winning records somehow managed to sneak into a BCS game."

    I didn't dodge it. ND95CA's comments weren't posted yet when I wrote that, and I hadn't been back until just now.

    There are differences of significance between the cougars of '96 and the Utes of '04. Your best win was Wyoming [WAC]. Ours was Texas A&M [Big XII]. BOTH teams finished their regular seasons ranked 22nd. But Utah blew the Aggies out by 20-pts, thoroughly DOMINATED all their other opponents; which included 4 bowl teams [aka 4 teams with a winning record; not 3] and programs from the Pac-10, the Big XII, and the ACC. The cougars narrowly edged Wyoming in O/T, and only beat 1 bowl team, and one team from the Big XII [barely]. Edge: Utah.

    Considering the undefeated Ute's edge over a 2-loss Georgia team in the Final BCS standings was by the NARROWEST of margins, I don't know how cougar fans can justify their 1-loss team as BCS worthy. No 1-loss team had ever played.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 19, 2011 5:05 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    Sorry, your facts are wrong.

    Texas A&M(7-5) finished the 2004 regular season UNRANKED, after losing 3 of their last 4 regular season games. The Aggies were then blownout 38-7 in their bowl game. So much for your "best win" in 2004.

    BYU beat Utah(8-4) at RES, #22/#22 Wyoming(10-2) in the WAC championship game, and #17/#17 Kansas State(9-3) in the Cotton Bowl. Kansas State was ranked #14 at the end of the regular season, losing only to #6 Nebraska and at #8 Colorado during the regular season.

    Big advantage BYU!

    BYU's 14-1 team was ranked #5/#5 at the end of the regular season. Utah's 12-0 team was ranked #5/#6 at the end of the regular season.

    There's no question that BYU 1996 was an even more accomplished team than Utah 2004.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 19, 2011 5:21 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    How many bowl teams Utah played in in 2004 is irrelevant.

    In 2004, there were 29 bowls.
    In 1996, there were only 18 bowls.

    Almost every team with a winning record played in a bowl in 2004.

  • Utah Alum Orem, UT
    Oct. 19, 2011 6:08 p.m.

    BYU would have been the first BCS buster if the BCS had started in 1996.

  • Jordan Lynchburg, VA
    Oct. 19, 2011 6:26 p.m.

    Geeze, guys, this is the past. Get over it, they both had good teams. Whoop-dee-doo. What are we, 11 year olds? BYU fans looking to talk trash, get off our boards; Utah fans responding to these guys, give it up, you can't change someone's mind when they only spit venom at their rivals, nobody can win here. Just support your own team. Goodness.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Oct. 20, 2011 10:22 a.m.

    LonestarRunner:

    "Sorry, your facts are wrong....Texas A&M(7-5) finished the 2004 regular season UNRANKED..."

    Sorry LonestarRunner, YOUR facts are wrong. Since A&M's 5th loss didn't come until AFTER the Cotton Bowl - hence AFTER the Final BCS Standings - A&M was 7-4, and ranked #22.

    The cougars don't get to count their victory over K-State because THAT game came AFTER the Cotton Bowl - hence AFTER the Final BCS Standings. It is the Final BCS standings that determines whether or not you get a BCS bowl bid.

    I understand how that must be confusing for you, since as a coug fan, you've never been there before, but as a UTE fan, I've been through this process TWICE!

    There's no question that Utah's 2004 season was substantially more significant than the cougars '96, and THAT Utah team (as well as their '08 team) was a superior team to anything the cougars ever put on the field. If the BCS system that was available in '04 were also available in '96, the Y would be 0 for 15 in BCS-busting bowl invitations rather than 0 for 13. And Utah would STILL be the "Original" BCS-busters.