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  • Hondo Alpine, UT
    Oct. 5, 2011 1:25 p.m.

    Adding BYU is what's next for the Big-12. I'm surprised BYU hasn't been added already. Such a move would have brought stability instantly.

    I bet that BYU is hesitant about joining the conference more than the Big-12 is hesitant about bringing on BYU.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Oct. 5, 2011 1:53 p.m.

    BYU isn't going to join the Big 12 until the Big 12 is stabilized, which means, all remaining members binding their 1st and 2nd tier broadcast rights to the Big 12 for the next 6 years. As soon as that happens, BYU will accept a Big 12 invitation.

    BYU would be foolish to join a conference that isn't stable.

  • Duckhunter Hunter Alpine, UT
    Oct. 5, 2011 2:12 p.m.

    I thought BYU wanted to remain Independent. At least that's what TJ, VA, CougFaninTX, Y Dad/Y Grad, Ducky, Soccer Mom, etc. having been saying.....

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 5, 2011 3:02 p.m.

    Duckhunter Hunter

    You misread the tea leaves. BYU wanted increased exposure. There's no question that leaving the MWC/MTN and going independent and partnering with ESPN increased BYU's exposure SIGNIFICANTLY! NOBODY can legitimately dispute that. If joining the Big 12 increases BYU's exposure even more, so be it. The Duckhunter Hunter just shot himself in the foot with his inane supposition.

  • Ravenal Somewhere in, Utah
    Oct. 5, 2011 3:16 p.m.

    Missouri tried this last year and the Big 10 said no thank you. What makes them think the SEC will be any more accepting? Maybe the Big East will want them but their really less stable than the Big 12.

  • Duckhunter Hunter Alpine, UT
    Oct. 5, 2011 3:37 p.m.

    So what you're saying is that Independence is inferior to joining a BCS conference?

    OUCH!

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    Oct. 5, 2011 3:50 p.m.

    Missouri has been interested in the Big Ten for a decade. But the Big Ten just isn't interested in Missouri.

    Missouri only has one rival in the Big XII--Kansas. If it weren't for basketball, this wouldn't even be a rivalry.

    The SEC is one of the most stable leagues in the country. Missouri has given more to the Big XII than the Big XII has given back to Missouri. I think Missouri would be foolish to not go to the SEC if they were given an opportunity.

    If the Big XII is concerned about losing some of their TV money, they should pursue Boise State and BYU, both are darlings of ESPN.

  • Portland Trail Blazers Sandy, UT
    Oct. 5, 2011 3:54 p.m.

    Big XII needs to get back to twelve. To do so, assuming Mizzou leaves, they should invite TCU, Louisville, BYU and either Air Force or Cincy...

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 5, 2011 3:57 p.m.

    Duckhunter Hunter

    "So what you're saying is that Independence is inferior to joining a BCS conference?"

    Not necessarily.

    ESPN Broadcast Games 2011
    BYU 10
    Utah 1 (courtesy of BYU)

  • Farid @ Pocatello Pocatello, ID
    Oct. 5, 2011 4:06 p.m.

    So, if BYU joins the BIG-12, would we still get to watch EVERY football game and basketball game (with the ones not picked up by the powers-that-be being shown on byutv)?

    If we're back to watching only a handful of basketball games on TV like on the Mountain, I say we forget the whole thing.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Oct. 5, 2011 4:10 p.m.

    Events for BYU get curiouser and curiouser:

    1. Rumors abound that BYU is atop the B12's expansion list.

    Awaiting Missouri's SEC decision and the B12 expansion committee's decision to know how many and who to add.

    2. WCC spokesman recently said that they have no problem with BYU's sports all going to the B12 next year.

    So, NO issue there. Free to move'em ALL over for 2012.

    Interesting timing of that WCC statement!

    3. Rose gets talked into staying at BYU, in spite of supposed future in WCC.

    Why? Were B12 opponents promised in his future?

    4. BYU extends its 4-year deal with Boise State to 12 years.

    Why? Will they be in the same conference? Is it a Tier-2 or Tier-3 thing to preserve TV monies?

    There's a likely reason for THAT extension at THIS time.

    5. BYU's future football scheduling doesn't get filled out much, even for 2012.

    Did the brass expect BYU was going to be in the B12 soon enough? Or, is scheduling just on hold because of conference uncertainties?

    Curiouser and curiouser.

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    Oct. 5, 2011 4:12 p.m.

    @Uteanymous

    And we Ute fans thank BYU for the "1 (courtesy of BYU)" exposure to totally beat down and expose BYU. Thanks again. TV contract smack talk is pretty weak.

  • Mike Johnson Stafford, VA
    Oct. 5, 2011 4:18 p.m.

    If Missouri goes to the SEC and the Big 12 wants to get back to 12, then I see the Big 12 looking either east or west, but probably not both directions.

    I see TCU going into the Big 12 South and either the western option of Air Force, BYU, and Boise State, or the eastern option of Louisville, Cincinnati, and West Virginia.

    Now, if the Big 12 takes the western option, what does the MWC do if Boise State and Air Force leave? That would drop the MWC to 8 football and 7 for most sports. There would be an urgent need to get back to 8 for basketball so as not to loose the autobid to the NCAA tournament. What would the MWC do? Only options seem to be raid the WAC and C-USA. Would USU make the cut? Maybe UTEP or Houston? Since basketball would be at risk, maybe Denver?

    If Missouri doesn't go to the SEC, I predict Virginia Tech does.

  • Duckhunter Hunter Alpine, UT
    Oct. 5, 2011 4:18 p.m.

    So a national audience gets to watch you get trounced by 44 and watch your "fans" sprint for their cars in the 3rd quarter? LOL!

    OUCH again!

  • Duckhunter Hunter Alpine, UT
    Oct. 5, 2011 4:27 p.m.

    Whats -

    Just a few months ago you loved the idea of staying Independent and even said so over and over and over again.

    You talked about how hypocritical it was of Utah fans to be excited about a BCS conference. Then, along come the rumors about being invited to a BCS conference and your tune has suddenly changed. LOL!

    BYU fans = John Kerry

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 5, 2011 4:34 p.m.

    Sorry Wallbanger, but Utah didn't expose anything except that you can't beat anybody when you give the game away with 7 turnovers. Utah proved that against Washington.

    The only reason Utah fans consider television scheduling talk weak, is because Utah's television schedule is so weak. Utah fans were beating their chests for almost a year about their marvelous television coverage right up until ABC/ESPN completely ignored the Utes when they were selecting games to televise in 2011 and Utah's PAC 12 debut wound up on VERSUS.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 5, 2011 4:38 p.m.

    A national audience also got to watch BYU make two dramatic 4th quarter comebacks and nearly knock off Texas at Texas.

    Utah, on the other hand, can be thankful so few were watching the Ute's meltdown versus Washington.

  • RSailing OREM, UT
    Oct. 5, 2011 4:48 p.m.

    Utah rules the Pac 12, the conference of campions.

  • Duckhunter Hunter Alpine, UT
    Oct. 5, 2011 4:52 p.m.

    Only a BYU fan would be content with 4th quarter comebacks that resulted in LOSSES.

    44 point drubbing! The crow, I'm sure, tasted mighty fine.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 5, 2011 4:54 p.m.

    Some of y'all have it backwards. The Big 12 isn't going to stablize, and then offer a cushy invitation to BYU to come share the money. The Big 12 is looking to BYU to help stabilize the league by commiting TV revenue to the league. If BYU wants in, they will have to take a chance.

    On the plus side, as more of the good teams leave (TAMU, Mizzou) it will be easier for the Cougars not to dwell on the bottom.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Oct. 5, 2011 4:59 p.m.

    Why are the Utah trolls sooooo worried about whether BYU stays independent or joins the Big 12?

    Didn't Utah leave BYU in the dust over a year ago and haven't they been claiming that Colorado is now Utah's "biggest rival" and that the BYU-Utah game is now meaningless to Utah fans?

    Yet, they beat their chests about beating a mediocre non-AQ team and throw fits of hysteria everytime the media hints at the possibility of BYU joining a BCS conference.

    It'll be a dark day in trollville when the BYU to Big 12 rumors become reality. The weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth on the hill will be heard all the way to Happy Valley.

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    Oct. 5, 2011 5:15 p.m.

    Thanks for your concern Uteanymous. Where I do agree that Utah does not have a nice ESPN contract or ESPN exposure like BYU does. It doesn't bother us. Why? Because it is for this year only! For the ten millionth time to all the slow uneducated Y fans such as yourself. The new Pac 12 TV contract does not kick in until 2012! So don't worry Y fans, the Utes will be part of that historic 3 billion dollar Pac 12 TV contract starting next year. As far as this season is concerned. So far I've been able to see ALL games on TV no problem. That's all that matters right now.

    P.S. Remember this, the more Utah struggles this year, the more it makes the mighty ybU cougars look bad. But only a common sense kind of a person would realize that. Also, 54-10...OUCH! Go Utes!!

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Oct. 5, 2011 5:19 p.m.

    These tiresome articles about BYU possibly being invited to the Big 12 are a joke. BYU is independent for many reasons and will continue to be. BYU is NOT popular or wanted. It is that simple.

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 5, 2011 5:21 p.m.

    I hope BYU gets an invitation to the Big 12 and that they accept. Watching PAC 12 football at the U and Big 12 football at the Y would make for a great Saturday afternoon. Plus, they deserve a seat at the BCS table.

  • Portland Trail Blazers Sandy, UT
    Oct. 5, 2011 5:31 p.m.

    ESPN is much better than KJZZ

  • Hatch Sandy, UT
    Oct. 5, 2011 5:36 p.m.

    Wallbanger Duckhunter

    Utah 54 BYU 10 Utah Payout for game 0 BYU payout estimated $750,000

    Utah PAC 12 1st Year Payout 0 BYU First Year Independant Payout EST. 13 Million

    Utah 2nd Year PAC 12 Payout 50% of Colorado's estmated at 10 Million

    BYU First Year Big 12 Payout Estimated at 20 Million.

    How did Utah Negotiate such a deal? Not sure, but no surprise the alumns that are not pumping gas are hanging out in BYU "comment" areas.

  • Duckhunter Hunter Alpine, UT
    Oct. 5, 2011 5:56 p.m.

    Portland Jailbird

    54 is much better than 10. LOL!

  • CaptainL PROVO, UT
    Oct. 5, 2011 6:14 p.m.

    mgr63: BYU is not popular or wanted mostly is in your eyes. BYU has a much larger fan base/audience than Utah and will bring more fans to the table, which means more money to the table. That is the key and that is why BYU is considered the top or one of the top candidates that could be invited to join the Big 10/12, what ever it ends up being.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Oct. 5, 2011 6:20 p.m.

    @Hatch, Max Hall pumped my gas on Sunday right before I watched Alex Smith lead the SF 49ers to victory. And, Jan Jorgensen bagged my groceries at Smith's yesterday.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 5, 2011 6:23 p.m.

    @ Hatch | 5:36 p.m. Oct. 5, 2011
    Sandy, UT

    ... and a 30,000 seat Marriott Center.

    Oh the pain of the 54-10.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 5, 2011 6:34 p.m.

    mgr63

    If you think rumors of BYU's pending invitation to the Big 12 are tiresome, this is only the tip of iceberg of the pain the haters are going to have to endure when the actual invite come.

    Haters are not wanted, nor welcome anywhere.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Oct. 5, 2011 7:38 p.m.

    @Lonestar, how does BYU fit within the Big 12 culture in any way? Not in any fashion whatsoever, period. Who in the Big 12 will want to go to ridiculously boring Provo, Utah over 1000 miles away? BYU is a struggling mid-major football program with TERRIBLE tv ratings, cheap fans, an odd non-mainstream academic school and geographically in the "boonies" as it relates to where the Big 12 schools reside. All I hear about is TCU, Houston, Louisville and Cincinnati........not BYU.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Oct. 5, 2011 8:15 p.m.

    Duckhunter Hunter
    "I thought BYU wanted to remain Independent. At least that's what TJ, VA, CougFaninTX, Y Dad/Y Grad, Ducky, Soccer Mom, etc. having been saying..... "

    If you're going to quote me, please quote me correctly.

    Independence is far better than the MWC. The Big 12 may be a better option than Independence. But we don't know until we know what the Big 12 is going to look like long term.

    If Missouri stays and all 9 teams sign the Tier 1 and 2 media rights agreement, the Big 12 would probably be a better option for BYU than Independence, even though it probably represents less money to BYU.

    But it's starting to sound like Missouri will leave. So it may be back to the drawing board for the Big 12. Until the Big 12 is settled, you won't hear any news out of Provo and we won't know if it's a better option than independence.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Oct. 5, 2011 8:25 p.m.

    mgr63
    "These tiresome articles about BYU possibly being invited to the Big 12 are a joke. BYU is independent for many reasons and will continue to be. BYU is NOT popular or wanted. It is that simple. "

    Count how many comments you've made on BYU articles versus how many U've made on Ute articles. The Cougs seem to be U're most popular team along with many other trolls.

  • Wldflwr Lehi, UT
    Oct. 5, 2011 8:43 p.m.

    Duckhunter Hunter | 5:56 p.m. Oct. 5, 2011

    "54 is much better than 10. LOL!"

    Too bad this will be the only thing you will have to brag about for the next year and it is already getting old, but like I said, it is all you got.

  • GoGetter Sandy, UT
    Oct. 5, 2011 9:47 p.m.

    I must say, this comment board is more fun to read than the article.

    Let me get my popcorn...

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Oct. 5, 2011 10:08 p.m.

    Same old song and dance from BYU fans. Thinking with your heart and not brains.
    Go ahead and join a sinking conference. Show them what a WAC legacy team is all about!
    Why would any school entertain the thought of joining the Big 12? It's unstable and run by Texas.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Oct. 5, 2011 10:15 p.m.

    Just admit it cougar fans (not all of you).
    You are just sore that Utah joined a BCS conference first.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Oct. 5, 2011 10:38 p.m.

    Hey LonestarRunner.
    Not a single Big 12 school has signed onto the new six year deal. None!
    Now that Mizzou is leaving, others will follow. BYU is destined for mid-major conference status, again!

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Oct. 5, 2011 10:56 p.m.

    @ Duck Hunter, 4:27 p.m. Oct. 5,

    I still like the idea of independence, but am practical and would accept B12 membership under the proper conditions, which I have full confidence the BYU brass will get if they are asked and accept.

    Independence brings a fun variety of BCS teams in each year, none of the same-o same-o crowd each year. That's my intrigue with independence.

    Still, I laud BYU's move to independence when they did because of the increased exposure for this and future years.

    So, NO hypocrite here!

    Besides, my last post didn't do anything other than point out the curious things that have been happening. I wasn't foaming at the mouth for B12 membership.

    P.S. Thanks to you Ute trolls for your GREAT interest in all things BYU! Glad BYU's so popular with you.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 5, 2011 11:15 p.m.

    Biggest mismatch on ESPN. Utah vs BYU 54-10.

    LOL

  • Cougars - Wise Older Brothers Anaheim, CA
    Oct. 5, 2011 11:20 p.m.

    "Now that Mizzou is leaving, others will follow. BYU is destined for mid-major conference status, again!"

    And you're sure of all of this because???

    What's obvious is our jealous little brothers are nearing full panic stage as they realize that BYU will join the Big 12 as a full member from day one; the Cougars won't have to endure being treated like a 2nd class citizen for the next four years until they've proven that they're big enough to sit at the big kids table.

  • PAC 10.2 Doormat Springville, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 12:14 a.m.

    @Duckhunter Hunter

    Just weeks ago the Utes were going to dominate the Pac 10.2, Chow was going to win big with a new offense, and everyone had their credit cards ready to book travel and lodging in Pasadena... aka lookin 'Rosey'????

    0-2 with a JC QB

  • PAC 10.2 Doormat Springville, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 12:22 a.m.

    54-10

    0-2 with a JC QB, ouch. Where's all the talk about things lookin' rosey?

    0-3 is really going to hurt.

  • Pugman TREMONTON, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 7:20 a.m.

    @mgr63
    Don't start with Alex Smith.......Please

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Oct. 6, 2011 8:40 a.m.

    Cougars - Wise Older Brothers said:

    "And you're sure of all of this because???

    What's obvious is our jealous little brothers are nearing full panic stage as they realize that BYU will join the Big 12 as a full member from day one; the Cougars won't have to endure being treated like a 2nd class citizen for the next four years until they've proven that they're big enough to sit at the big kids table."

    And you're sure of all of this because???
    Fact of the matter is BYU already gets treated like a 2nd class citizen. Otherwise they would already be in a BCS conference.
    Zing!!!!!!!!

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Oct. 6, 2011 8:52 a.m.

    "Some of y'all have it backwards. The Big 12 isn't going to stablize, and then offer a cushy invitation to BYU to come share the money. The Big 12 is looking to BYU to help stabilize the league by commiting TV revenue to the league. If BYU wants in, they will have to take a chance.

    On the plus side, as more of the good teams leave (TAMU, Mizzou) it will be easier for the Cougars not to dwell on the bottom."

    @Moderate, you are mostly correct and this is why I think it's so heavily speculated that BYU is the top expansion target. Texas would like to keep this as small as possible to keep the shares the highest and the best way to that is probably to just add BYU and stop there.

    However, most of the other schools will not feel the league is stable unless it is expanded to twelve. I tend to agree with this sentiment though only if it is to add BYU, Louisville, and West Virginia. Adding CUSA (former as well) schools is not a good sign for the future of the league.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Oct. 6, 2011 9:00 a.m.

    NightOwlAmerica

    "Fact of the matter is BYU already gets treated like a 2nd class citizen."

    Sorry, but you're sadly mistaken.

    Big Brothers aren't so desperate to join a conference that they'll agree to any terms just to get their foot in the door.

    BYU already has an offer from the Big 12 in hand and is now just waiting for the Big 12 to finalize the terms BYU has requested. It's now looking like the Big 12 will more than meet BYU's expectation for stabilizing the Big 12, by having all Big 12 teams bind their 1st and 2nd tier television rights to the conference for the next 13 years, a binding agreement that would make the Big 12 as stable as any conference.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Oct. 6, 2011 9:03 a.m.

    LOL @NightOwlAmerica -

    Regarding "2nd class citizen," there is a school in Utah that was recently seen begging to the Pac 10 conference and managed to get in purely because the Big 12 South turned the Pac 10 conference down.

    There is another school in Utah receiving overtures from the same Big 12 conference that turned the Pac 12 down recently.

    It's pretty clear that there is a second class citizen not only in the Pac 12 but, also in the state of Utah.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Oct. 6, 2011 10:44 a.m.

    I think that 13-year TV rights binding is making Missouri look REAL hard at the SEC, not to escape the B12, but to make sure that if they DO remain in the B12 that they'll be happy with that choice.

    The 13-year deal definitely helps the conference's stability, so that makes Missouri's decision more difficult.

    In other words, just how committed to the B12 do they want to be?

    The SEC look-see is just making sure which way they want to go for sure.

  • Bluecat82 Minneapolis, MN
    Oct. 6, 2011 11:27 a.m.

    Apparently what's next is...TCU.

    I have a feeling BYU will be a football independent for a long, long time.

    No facts to back that up, just a feeling.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 5:49 p.m.

    TCU gets the invite to the BIG 12. Maybe the Y will get invited to the Great West Football Conference if they play their cards right!! Snow and Dixie will be tough!!

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 2:37 a.m.

    So many excuses. Unbelievable.

    Somewhere, someone made up the "news" that BYU is waiting for signs of stability in the Big XII. And now every desperate Y fan is latching onto it like it's real.

    Big XII already has shown several signs of stability.

    1) The conference just signed a TV revenue deal that will keep the Big XII together for the next several years. It is impossible for this conference to crumble before that.

    2) TCU joined. Don't you think they want stability? They ditched another BCS offer to join the Big XII. That should indicate something.

    3) Texas, Oklahoma and OK State aren't going anywhere. They have nowhere to go, and are part of the TV revenue agreement to keep the conference together.

    What signs is BYU waiting for? A psychic to tell the future for them?