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Josh Powell also subject of porn investigation, prosecutor says

Susan's parents will take care of the two sons

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  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    Sept. 27, 2011 2:37 p.m.

    It's funny that Josh thinks this custody thing is about his father. I can't believe Josh actually brought these two boys into his father's home, because you know Josh knew about Steve's sexual deviances. Josh has no right to keep these boys in Steve's home, and he has no right to keep these boys from their grandparents.

  • splitme2 West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 27, 2011 3:14 p.m.

    I always wondered why the Coxes didn't file for custody of the boys. I thought they should have them all along. I hope they get them and keep them until they are grown so they can know the full story of their mother; and also their father and his family.

  • Colorado Reader Littleton, CO
    Sept. 27, 2011 3:29 p.m.

    "no illegal pornography"? Really? Just the legal kind? Ya, that makes it all ok! Give the boys a chance at a normal life. I pray the Cox family gets those sweet boys.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Sept. 27, 2011 3:31 p.m.

    "I have had nothing to do with any kind of illegal pornography," he said.

    What about the legal kind, Josh? Do you have anything to do with that? Did Susan know? What do you think she would do if she found out? And how far would you be willing to go to keep your secret?

  • Ecclesiastes 10:2 PROVO, UT
    Sept. 27, 2011 3:42 p.m.

    Josh Powell hasn't been charged with anything (yet). He is the father of those boys. Unless and until he is charged with a crime, he has every right to the custody of his sons. Also, please don't be so critical of a person who enjoys porn. It's not illegal. (I realize that voyerism and other things Steve Powell has been charged with ARE illegal! And, I happen to think that porn is horribly dangerous and a threat to a happy home and family.) But, remember - Utah is the porn capital of the USA. Your dad, brother, son, uncle, cousin could be a porn afficianado.

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    Sept. 27, 2011 3:49 p.m.

    Now now people, take off your religious tinted glasses for a moment here. There's nothing wrong with legal porn, and the "voyeurism" charge is a load of hogwash.

    I maintain that the charges were drummed up in order to keep these two men from going anywhere while the final details of the real crime are nailed down.

  • DRay Roy, UT
    Sept. 27, 2011 3:59 p.m.

    question is, did Josh know about his father's vouyerism, pornography? and still live with him where his sons would be vulnerable? seems like he did know of his fathers flirtations with his wife, and accepted that.

  • krissy Sterling, VA
    Sept. 27, 2011 4:05 p.m.

    I agree, after all this time, Josh has not been charged with anything. Imagine what he must be going thru if he has been telling the truth....his wife is missing. We all have family skeletons and dirty laundry. How unfortunate that his are being broadcast to the world. He is the father of these children. Those grandparents CANNOT take that away, nor can they come before his rights as a parent if he is not charged with a crime.

  • Brahmabull sandy, ut
    Sept. 27, 2011 4:09 p.m.

    Deltafoxtrot - You think these charges were drummed up? You think the authorities could drum up child pornography out of thin air and charge him with it?? And how do you know the voyeurism charge is hogwash. Boy, I sure am glad that you aren't one of the people on the case. You have some issues my friend if you think that child porn is ok and that the police drummed it up. Somehow they planted thousands of illegal images of children (pictures that are confirmed to have been taken at his house, mind you) and arrested him. Yeah, seems plausible.... Wow

  • Reasonable Person Layton, UT
    Sept. 27, 2011 4:36 p.m.

    DeltaFoxTrot: So, please tell us how those voyeurism charges were "trumped up".

    Did the WVC PD sneak into Steven Powell's home in 2006-7, lay wait in his bedroom unnoticed, and take pictures of naked little girls through Powell's bedroom window -- and THEN they waited until Susan Powell was gone for two years, and "trumped it up"?

    Is THAT what you're saying?

    No? Then explain your reasoning. We'll be glad to wait.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Sept. 27, 2011 4:53 p.m.

    What? Some of you CSI specialists don't think the Cops would have charged Josh when they searched and took stuff including computer from his home the 1st time, if he had child porn? He must NOT have therefore when they found it on his dads they arrested dad.

  • K Mchenry, IL
    Sept. 27, 2011 5:18 p.m.

    They can't try to get custody of the boys unless dad is proven to be unfit parent. They removed the children because of grandpa. Now if dad continues to provide unsafe environment then he may lose custody. Then other family is considered. It isn't about who is better or if he is being unreasonable.

    If grandpa was all about girls then the boys may in fact be in the home with grandpa if there is no threat to them. If grandpa has leanings that way just think how Josh grew up victimized.

  • Reasonable Person Layton, UT
    Sept. 27, 2011 5:31 p.m.

    Heretic, the porn doesn't have to pre-date Josh's move to Daddy's house.

  • mecr Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 27, 2011 6:09 p.m.

    Not only he has to prove is a fit parent but he is able to provide for his kids and that includes living somewhere else BUT his father's house!

  • Elcapitan Ivins, UT
    Sept. 27, 2011 6:20 p.m.

    Unfortunately the sins of the parents are often visited upon the children and unto many generations there after. I pray for these small boys.

  • From Ted's Head Orem, UT
    Sept. 27, 2011 6:33 p.m.

    I hardly think that anyone is going to vote for Steven Powell for Grandfather of the Year and he seems (based on what I have heard/read in the media) to have some issues filming women without their approval...creepy, and bordering on criminal, depending on the circumstances. It appears (from media reports) that amongst the many photos of these clad women are some photos of young children who are naked...creepier and against the law in most circumstances. Do we know if Steven Powell actually shot these pictures of the young girls himself or even viewed them? The media has referenced high-tech photo/video equipment...isn't it possible that he was hoping to catch the mom naked (still creepy and likely illegal) and ended up with the little girls instead, a result of using a motion detection device or timer on his camera? Furthermore, isn't it possible that it was automatically stored on his hard drive and he never viewed the pics of the young girls? Unless proven otherwise we must presume his innocence, no matter how damning the media reports are. BTW...let's curtail DCFS's power until a full presentation of the facts can be made.

  • Motappin Sandy, UT
    Sept. 27, 2011 8:27 p.m.

    Josh is upset that the "general public" has stopped looking for his wife? PLEASE! She is YOUR WIFE, Josh. Not only have you not searched, you have not even cooperated with the police to find her, and moved out of state a month after she "disappeared."

  • Colorado Reader Littleton, CO
    Sept. 27, 2011 8:34 p.m.

    @deltafoxtrot "There's nothing wrong with legal porn" Really? objectifying and degrading women (and sometimes men) is wrong and sick and dangerous territory. I will never agree with there being nothing wrong with porn. I have known many non-religious families as well as religious ones who have been torn apart and damaged by the effects of porn--the 'legal' kind. Religion has nothing do do with porn being wrong. Morals do and non religious people have morals. Thank goodness!

  • Juan Figuroa Seattle, WA
    Sept. 27, 2011 9:10 p.m.

    Darn you, general public! How dare you disappoint Josh Powell by not searching for his wife? Shame on you, general public!

  • Brian Wasilla, AK
    Sept. 27, 2011 9:43 p.m.

    Look at the pictures accompanying the article. Innocent or guilty Josh already looks like a man in a whole lot of pain and this is probably just the beginning.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 27, 2011 10:13 p.m.

    This is the sort of garbage behavior that could be expected from sleazy TV soap operas.

    But, sadly, it is real, and while I have no sympathy at all for the grown up Powells, the damage this is doing to the kids is a real tragedy. Made even worse by the obstinance of Josh Powell.

    I just hope that eventually the full truth will be known, and that the person(s) responsible for the "disappearance" of Mrs. Powell get their just rewards.

  • utahprincipal801 Sandy, UT
    Sept. 27, 2011 10:36 p.m.

    Does Josh Powell have a job? How has he been feeding these children? What kind of a home can he provide without his father's support? Let us all pray these children will be placed with their maternal grandparents.

  • Wyclif OREM, UT
    Sept. 27, 2011 11:45 p.m.

    Unless you have been following this case for 21 months, you probably don't know how suspicious and totally uncooperative Josh Powell has been with regard to questioning about his wife. The whole thing has been super creepy. "Oh I took my boys camping in the super cold." "Sorry COx family, you can't ever see your grandkids again". "I know my dad had the hots for my wife but that is OK by me. In fact, I think I will move in with dad and bring my boys there." "Hey, lets publish my wife's diaries to humiliate her and her family." "Oh I have been incredibly cooperative with everything they have asked me." And the best one yet; "I'm a good father. My boys are safe with me."
    Yikes. Don't buy it folks. Get those kids out of there for good, and fast. This man, if not guilty of killing their mother, is mentally ill. The boys deserve better. They deserve real love and not lies. They deserve honesty. They deserve examples that won't make their lives a clone of their dad's, like he is of his dad. Please!

  • Munk Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 27, 2011 11:55 p.m.

    Nothing wrong with legal porn?? Yeah well in my book there is something plenty wrong with it when children can see possibly see it. What sort of environment where you raising those boys in? It's bad enough they lost their mother... now one of their grandfathers is a in jail for a number of charge.. their father is a person of interest in the disappearance of their mother... too messed up to be fiction. Do the right thing and let the maternal grandparents care for them. Do the right things for your sons Josh... not for you.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 28, 2011 6:42 a.m.

    Re: DeltaFoxtrot | 3:49 p.m. Sept. 27, 2011
    "take off your religious tinted glasses .... There's nothing wrong with legal porn"

    No, there's nothing with cruising the garbage dump for your reading material and it time I suppose you'd get used to the smell. The only question is why anyone would feel comfortable spending time at the dump when they could find something more uplifting at Barnes & Noble?

  • Clydesdale Tooele, UT
    Sept. 28, 2011 7:38 a.m.

    "Not only he has to prove is a fit parent but he is able to provide for his kids and that includes living somewhere else BUT his father's house!"

    Wrong! This is America! The state has to prove Josh Powell is an unfit parent. In China he would have to prove he is an unfit parent.

  • walkingdowntown Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 28, 2011 7:45 a.m.

    Josh "grew emotional as he described the failure of the "general public" to look for his wife: "That, your honor, is deeply hurtful to me."

    He has never helped in the the investigation of his wife's disappearance, in fact, he has gone out of his way to hinder the investigation.

    Not shame on the general public, shame on you, Josh.

  • Canuk SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 28, 2011 8:17 a.m.

    utahprincipal801 | 10:36 p.m. Sept. 27, 2011
    That was my question too. Also, was the oldest boy in school, in preschool, or did he secrete them at home and not let them associate with anyone? Man this is downright scary to me, as a mother and a grandmother. I hope the court does the right thing. And those father's right's advocates, I understand and have belonged to a father's right's group years ago. But you have to understand that the children are in danger here and need to be in a normal admosphere especially after loosing their mother.

  • Citizen Jane Clearfield, UT
    Sept. 28, 2011 8:32 a.m.

    Based on photos I've seen from the various court proceedings, it appears Josh Powell is without legal representation.

    Don't you think that's very, very odd? He is potentially fighting for his freedom, and now definitley fighting for custody of his children, and it looks as if he doesn't have an attorney by his side!

    From the beginning, this has been a very sad case.... with Steven Powell's involvement, it has become downright creepy and disgusting.

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    Sept. 28, 2011 9:31 a.m.

    @all the porn haters: Just because you don't personally like or agree with something doesn't make it wrong. I suppose you'd say similar things about smoking and drinking... two activities that are also completely legal.

    As far as the kiddie porn charges go, any intelligent person with a few skills and some software can plant information on a computer and make it appear as if it was there for years... and the definition of child pornography is so vague that they could get just about anyone on it.

    If you've got a picture on your computer of your child/grandchild niece/nephew friend's or coworker's kid engaged in an activity... at the beach, in the bath, on the playground, opening Christmas presents, etc. that could be child pornography. If you went through the family photo album half the stuff in there would legally qualify as kiddie porn. It's a charge that's easy to stick on anybody and nearly impossible to defend against.

    As far as voyeurism goes, that's merely the act of watching people engaged in sexual activity and it's actually LEGAL in a large number of states. Just not in politically and socially backwards Utah.

  • desert dweller SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Sept. 28, 2011 10:33 a.m.

    Im just curious as to which production company will end up with the movie rights

  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    Sept. 28, 2011 10:38 a.m.

    Wow, I don't know how you get a plea of "not guilty" out of that!

  • Wyclif OREM, UT
    Sept. 28, 2011 10:40 a.m.

    Oh my word. What lame arguments Fruitful Ideas puts forth. Take one second to contrast the activities of Elizabeth Smart's father who left no stone unturned in looking for his daughter, as any of us would have done if it were our daughter or our wife that went "missing", and Susan Powell's husband who turned no stone and hindered every attempt to locate his wife, who wanted to embarrass and disrespect her and her family. He has shown time and time again that he is unfit as a parent, and uncaring as a husband. Camping in sub-zero temperature with his toddlers, not concerned about his boys mother, exploitative of his wife's memories. All that remaining with dad is going to do for these children is to give them a similar role model to the one Josh received from his own father.

  • A Scientist Provo, UT
    Sept. 28, 2011 11:16 a.m.

    Josh Powell may or may not have been criminally involved in the disappearance of his wife, Susan. We don't know for sure either way. Those who are convinced that he is guilty base their opinion not even on circumstantial evidence, but on NO evidence and only rampant speculation and judgmentalism.

    That is not appropriate. We must let the justice system do it's job. Accusing innocent people of criminal actions without evidence is libel (or slander, depending on how you look at blog content), and no person who claims to love justice and liberty can possibly make such comments in good conscience.

    If law enforcement has evidence of Josh's criminal activity, they will take him into custody. That they have not done so, despite a "trailer load" of seized material, can best be interpreted as a lack of evidence.

    If Josh is innocent, this community is making a horrible error. If he is guilty, we must trust that justice will prevail. Until then, we would be wise to Chinese handcuff our fingers and bite our tongues.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 28, 2011 11:19 a.m.

    Re:DeltaFoxtrot | 9:31 a.m. Sept. 28, 2011
    "@all the porn haters"

    No one is questioning a person's right to view 'legal porn'. It does, however, remind me of the old adage that 'one man's trash is another man's treasure'. I doubt many of the men who view porn would want pictures of their wives or girlfriends floating around on the internet.

  • grandmagreat Lake Havasu City, AZ
    Sept. 28, 2011 11:43 a.m.

    I suggest that we all Pray for everyone concerned, that the Father, will stand up and be counted for his errors, that the Police Department will do their job, that the Grandparents will be able to love and protect these two little boys. No one has said that they would keep their father from seeing them. I feel that they will do what they have to do legally. If I was in their situation my first concern would be the children. I certainly would not want any of my grandchildren,great grandchildren,great great grandchildren to have to go through this terrible experience. So my final word is "don't forget to pray for all concerned"

  • Johnson72 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 28, 2011 12:06 p.m.

    I just watched what josh had to say... He said that his sons "HAVE" lost their mother?

  • Andy Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 28, 2011 12:53 p.m.

    This is totally wrong. No one has proved Josh had anything to do with his wife's disappearance. He apparently wants his kids to be with him. For now he is innocent and it is immoral and reprehensible to take children from their parents when they have done nothing wrong.

    With this kind of precedent it won't be too long before the gov will come take your kids away because you are suspected of harboring anti-homosexual feelings.

  • Furry1993 Clearfield, UT
    Sept. 28, 2011 2:11 p.m.

    To Johnson72 | 12:06 p.m. Sept. 28, 2011
    Salt Lake City, UT
    I just watched what josh had to say... He said that his sons "HAVE" lost their mother?

    ---------------------

    That's a logical description of what has happened. Unless Susan Powell chose to disappear and chooses to return, or unless she was kidnapped and is able to break free, John Powell's sons HAVE lost their mother.

  • Miner's Mom Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 28, 2011 2:24 p.m.

    Interesting that this article, even Tuesday evening, said that custody of the 2 children had been given to Susan's parents. It's 2:23 MDT Wednesday and the hearing is still underway to determine custody. Media makes the decision before the judge does?

  • Duh west jordan, ut
    Sept. 28, 2011 7:37 p.m.

    @krissy | 4:05 p.m.. Imagine what he must be going thru if he has been telling the truth....his wife is missing.

    I would jump aboard that band wagon only if he cooperated from the beginning with investigators to do anything possible to find his wife. You do realize that he is not cooperating with anyone right? And then he goes and slanders his wife with National Outlets along with his Father and accepts his father even after he talks so negatively about his wife. Let me tell you Krissy, first, I would have never taken my kids, on a camping trip in the middle of nowhere in below freezing weather, in a van on a snowy day. Second, if I came home and she was missing, I would do everything possible to assist authorities in finding my wife to include taking talking to the investigators to ensure I am not suspected of anything and then third, I would never shut out any part of my family or friends. Last but not least, I would never accept any type of behavior from my father as Josh has. Get it?

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 28, 2011 9:27 p.m.

    Re: krissy | 4:05 p.m. Sept. 27, 2011
    "Imagine what he must be going thru if he has been telling the truth"

    If my wife were to suddenly turn up missing I'd answer every question the detectives asked me and would willing do anything and everything that they asked me, and that would include taking as many lie detector tests as they wanted.

    That way the detectives could then turn their efforts and focus elsewhere. Innocent people just don't behave the way Josh has. Period, end of sentence.

  • Larry Willard, UT
    Sept. 29, 2011 5:09 a.m.

    The Boys do not belong to the Cox Family, They belong to the Father.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 29, 2011 10:07 a.m.

    Re: Larry | 5:09 a.m. Sept. 29, 2011
    "The Boys do not belong to the Cox Family, They belong to the Father"

    The question isn't who the children 'belong too'. The question is whether Josh is a fit father, and whether their safety and well being are in jeopardy. The judge apparently thinks otherwise.

  • Most Truthful and Patriotic Layton, UT
    Sept. 30, 2011 6:45 p.m.

    DeltaFoxTrot says:
    "As far as the kiddie porn charges go, any intelligent person with a few skills and some software can plant information on a computer and make it appear as if it was there for years... "

    Untrue.

    Someone with "a few skills" may THINK they've planted it to make it look old, but someone with "a few MORE skills" will see through the ruse. THEN, you're dealing with obstruction - which carries an even heavier penalty.

    We're smart people, DFT.