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  • sports-junkie West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 27, 2011 11:03 a.m.

    This is like getting offered a promotion at work at turning it down because you feel it would be disrespectful to your current co-workers and give you a bad reputation.

    No one in their right mind would blame someone for bettering their situation. The WCC is no different.

    Go Cougs!!!

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Sept. 27, 2011 11:04 a.m.

    after watching the interview with the commissioner, the Y ought to stay involved with the WCC. He seems like a class act, unlike many other conferences.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Sept. 27, 2011 11:14 a.m.

    BYU would need a crazy good deal in a stable major conference to abandon what they've currently got. Harmon's article, while poorly written, hits on all the major points. BYU will continue to increase brand awareness and has eight years to get it done, plenty of time before it's time to negotiate the next TV deal.

    BYU is bigger than sports, they're just a piece to the entire puzzle. BYU's trustees know this and will operate accordingly.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    Sept. 27, 2011 11:18 a.m.

    Funny how I've read endless banter from Ute fans saying BYU would be extremely hypocritical if they left the WCC after only one year yet the WCC themselves pretty much say BYU would be foolish to not consider a big conference affiliation and that they won't stand in their way. More proof that haters hate and that's about it!

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 27, 2011 12:14 p.m.

    the only one standing in BYU's way is BYU. I don't hear of them doing too much promotion to the Big 12 right now for some reason??? I think if the Y really pushed the issue to get into the Big 12 they would certainly get an invite.

  • 9er4life Provo, UT
    Sept. 27, 2011 12:24 p.m.

    I wish all this expansion talk is over with once and for all. The unstable Big 12 and Big East needs to dissolve. Texas needs to swallow their pride and join the PAC 12 and thus creating the PAC 16. The ACC, SEC, and Big 10 needs to follow suit and expand to their respective 16 team super conferences. Then work out a scheme to create a playoff system with those 4 conferences. The second tier FBS schools such as BSU, Big 12 and Big East leftovers, BYU, and others can than create their own playoff. How hard can this be?

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    Sept. 27, 2011 12:49 p.m.

    Re: 9er4life

    Why does all this have to happen? Why do we have to go to 16 team "Super Conferences"? What you're proposing would raise some serious anti-trust issues and would most likely be shot down. Why do you think the BCS has had to allow non-AQ conference teams a chance to crash the BCS party? Because they know they would lose anti-trust lawsuits if they didn't. So how is a system of 4 Super Conferences with their own playoffs any different than the current BCS that they could manage to exclude all other FBS teams? I don't think you've thought this all the way through...

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Sept. 27, 2011 1:08 p.m.

    The Upset Blog is reporting that BYU has an offer in hand from the Big XII and that the BYU brass is currently going over all negotiation points to make sure that they are in line with what the school wants.

    Obviously, this is a blog, and should be taken with a grain of salt, but it's a good read and interesting to see this type of article from a completely neutral party.

    I'm with ute alumni. I hope that if a BYU does accept an offer from the Big XII, we can still somehow retain a good relationship with the WCC. Their commissioner is a stud and it's a solid conference for Olympic sports. They helped BYU out when it was in a tight spot and they're now very graciously understanding if the Cougs do decide to take a Big XII offer.

    I'll be interested to see how this all plays out.

    Go Cougars!

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Sept. 27, 2011 1:14 p.m.

    "after watching the interview with the commissioner, the Y ought to stay involved with the WCC. He seems like a class act, unlike many other conferences."

    Don't forget that the WCC gets to keep their significantly improved TV contract with ESPN regardless of what BYU does. I'm not saying the commissioner is anything less than a good guy but, he has little reason to be unhappy with BYU, especially when they were likely forthright about the fact that this is likely a temporary marriage.

    I like the WCC arrangement for the time being however, despite the cultural commonalities, BYU is a far bigger school that puts far more resources into it's non-football sports. I don't think anything is imminent despite what is being speculated on with the Big 12 but, I also would be surprised if BYU is still in the WCC eight years from now.

    BTW, what is the upsetblog? They're reporting that BYU has an offer in hand but, is working through details such as BYUtv and the contract with ESPN.

  • fan in orem Orem, Utah
    Sept. 27, 2011 1:38 p.m.

    patriot: I am sure BYU has expressed plenty of interest to the Big XII. They just don't do it through the media, like Texas A&M, Missouri, and a few others have decided to do it. So, even though we are not hearing it, I am sure they are doing what needs to be done.

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 27, 2011 1:50 p.m.

    Why would anyone want to leave the WCC? It's so prestigious.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Sept. 27, 2011 2:15 p.m.

    trucoug1:

    "The Upset Blog is reporting that BYU has an offer in hand from the Big XII and that the BYU brass is currently going over all negotiation points to make sure that they are in line with what the school wants."

    Whatever. Until I read it on ESPN, it's just another frantic and emotional "look at me, we're important too" cougar cock-&-bull rumor. Like that alleged Big East invitation from last Spring that you cougar fans bought until months later when Holmoe finally came clean and denied it.

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Sept. 27, 2011 3:19 p.m.

    @trucoug1

    unfortunately, the upset blog is anything but an unbiased source. They honk their horn about their sources and their unbiased coverage. At the end of the day, follow them on social media. They are big BYU honks. It just shows that when someone says they are unbiased, they are biased. When someone says they have a source that no one else does, its not a credible one. You are right, take it with a large grain of salt. These guys also had a source that said that the Big East had reached out to BYU...........yeah that one was true..........

  • RantBully Bend, OR
    Sept. 27, 2011 4:03 p.m.

    BYU needs to learn to win the big football games like those against Texas and Utah before it should concern itself with which conference it plays in. Winning is the key to gaining high profile match ups.

  • dumprake Washington, UT
    Sept. 27, 2011 4:37 p.m.

    Maybe it's time for the remaining conferences, and for the sake of reestablishing stability, to write up contracts with every university in the conference, that to defect, would impose a $20 million dollar penalty, and a severe financial penalty on the receiving conference. And require schools who do leave, to give a five year notice of their intent to change.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 27, 2011 6:51 p.m.

    Fellow Cougars--
    This is a no-brainer. Not only should we take the invitation if it comes, we should be promoting ourselves to get the invitation. If Texas and Oklahoma should bolt in the next couple of years then we are right back where we started--an independent. I really don't think there is a lot of risk here.

    I agree with RantBully that I would feel a little squeamish about accepting an invitation to a BCS with the disappointing performance we have had in football this year, but I could get over it. This opportunity, if it comes, is a "gift-horse" that shouldn't be "looked in the mouth."

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Sept. 27, 2011 6:53 p.m.

    "The ACC, SEC, and Big 10 needs to follow suit and expand to their respective 16 team super conferences. Then work out a scheme to create a playoff system with those 4 conferences. The second tier FBS schools such as BSU, Big 12 and Big East leftovers, BYU, and others can than create their own playoff. How hard can this be? "

    I actually have no problem with this idea. There really is a divide between the B(S)C conferences and the rest. That divide is...money. They have it and do everything in their power to keep others from getting it. When a team threatens them (see Utah and TCU), they invite them to the party because they would rather share with a few teams than with 60 more.

    So...stop the charade and make the B(S)C teams what they really are: a semi-pro league. Let them pay the players. The rest can be in a separate league with REAL student athletes.

    We'll even let Utah come back if they want.

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    Sept. 27, 2011 6:55 p.m.

    @PAC12Fan: The WCC is prestigious enough to beat your sorry butts twice last year and you didn't even play their best teams. Give it a rest.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Sept. 27, 2011 8:07 p.m.

    "gchris | 6:55 p.m. Sept. 27, 2011
    Rock Springs, Wy
    @PAC12Fan: The WCC is prestigious enough to beat your sorry butts twice last year and you didn't even play their best teams. Give it a rest."

    Like I care about basketball.

    What time is it, 9:06 or 54 to 10?

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    Sept. 27, 2011 8:59 p.m.

    @PAC12FAN:

    "Like I care about basketball."

    You brought up the WCC and in case you hadn't noticed, they don't play football in the WCC. And as long as we're talking about basketball prestige conferences, the top three teams in the WCC will match up with the three best in the "pretigious PAC12 (or is it PAC 11 for basketball?) on any given night.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 27, 2011 9:31 p.m.

    Fellow Cougars--
    This is a no-brainer. Not only should we take the invitation if it comes, we should be promoting ourselves to get the invitation. If Texas and Oklahoma should bolt in the next couple of years then we are right back where we started--an independent. I really don't think there is a lot of risk here.

    Wrong.

    In the name of stability, conference members will be asked to sign their tier one and two rights to the Big 12 for 6 years. If BYU wanted to go independent in a couple of years, they could.... but the Big 12 would own the broadcast rights (and money) to BYU games.

  • bballjunkie Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 27, 2011 9:46 p.m.

    The only person that could be more happier if BYU makes this move than me..

    Dave Rose! This would be huge for the basketball program, more so than the football program to me.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Sept. 27, 2011 10:16 p.m.

    @9er4life

    Why on earth would you want to exclude half the teams in D1 football? Make 8 'Super Conferences' not 4. You really want to leave BYU, Boise, TCU etc out in the cold? What kind of real college football fan thinks this way?

  • Hawkyo SYRACUSE, UT
    Sept. 27, 2011 10:22 p.m.

    I've said it before, super conferences will never be able to last, even if they get started. They will fall apart faster than a sand castle at high tide.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Sept. 27, 2011 10:28 p.m.

    The name Pac12fan says a lot about one. It reminds me of my friends that have attended SEC schools that aren't relevant on the football scene but, chant "SEC" at every opportunity.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 27, 2011 10:59 p.m.

    Moderate
    I didn't know they published the contract to the Big 12.

    Can you direct me to where I can see that?
    Man, I didn't even know that they were for sure negotiating with BYU and you have the details?
    I'm impressed.

    My statement was on the assumption that if Texas and Oklahoma, bolted, the Big 12 would likely implode and dissolve, thus voiding any contract with the member entities.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 28, 2011 7:57 a.m.

    re:Johnny Triumph

    BYU bigger than sports?? In the world of college football there are the have's and the have not's and you don't want to be the latter otherwise the money will dry up along with recruiting and say good bye to the program. Not even BYU can compete without the millions from either a big conference or big bowls. This is the age of the super conferences and it will be those super conferences that rule college football and other sports as well. If any school (including the Y) wants to stay in the NCAA they will have to join or quit.

  • Anonymous Infinity American Fork, UT
    Sept. 28, 2011 11:43 a.m.

    The Big 12? What is the Big 12? It has fewer that 12 teams now. Why are we referring to it as a Big 12? BYU joining an emploding formerly known conference as the Big 12? Most of the BIG teams in this conference are jumping to higher profile conferences at this moment. What will be the advantage for BYU to enter this conference. The next thing we will see is the Big 12 losing their BCS status because of the flight of all the BIG schools. So my argument is why join a conference on the decline? Because of BCS status? Come on. This conference is losing prestige by the day. I want to know what will be the result of more schools such a Missouri, Texas, and whoever leaving the conference will be? This whole Division I football scene is boiling before out eyes. Obviously there is more than meets the eye and is being made public that we don't know about. There is too much at stake and money is the bottom line for all the schools.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 28, 2011 12:59 p.m.

    idablu - The Big 12 would not implode. It is an AQ conference. There is money to be made. The remaining schools would have other non-AQ's to plunder to fill up the league yet again.

    If you were Kansas and had the chance to stay put, raking in OU, Texas, and BYU money... wouldn't you?

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 28, 2011 3:17 p.m.

    Moderate
    That might be true--that it would be tough to dissolve an AQ conference--but that supports my argument that BYU jumping to join the Big 12 is a pretty fair risk that IMHO they should take.