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Steven Powell pleads not guilty to voyeurism, porn charges; Chuck Cox blames Josh Powell for daughter's disappearance

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  • Dadof5sons Montesano, WA
    Sept. 23, 2011 9:17 a.m.

    Well Not to jump to conclusions. I as a Law and order junkie. he might know something that his son told him in confidence, and to save him self from a long prison term might drop the dime on his son and hopefully get some closure for Susan

  • BobP Port Alice, B.C.
    Sept. 23, 2011 9:30 a.m.

    Waste of time.

  • Peter Coyotl West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 23, 2011 9:42 a.m.

    Bob P. contributed:

    "Waste of time."

    It is a waste of time to arrest a man for having images of naked children?

    Really?

  • washcomom Beaverton, OR
    Sept. 23, 2011 9:55 a.m.

    It's amazing what people do when they try to hide something illicit, and point fingers at others. I'm glad the boys are no longer with the Powells, but hopefully will be with the Cox's.

  • SSOLDMAN MONROE, UT
    Sept. 23, 2011 9:58 a.m.

    BobP, you must be one of the Powells?
    I would bet the children have seen something. Those two little boys have been prevented contact with anyone who would ask them what they saw. Josh Powell has not cooperated with the police and has not allowed even his wifes family to talk to the children. What horrors they could have seen?

  • LivinLarge Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 23, 2011 10:33 a.m.

    Remarkable story but no surprises here. A millstone hung around ones neck comes to mind here!!!

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Sept. 23, 2011 11:13 a.m.

    So are the Powell boys still with their father? Or have they been taken into protective custody as some have suggested? That has not been mentioned in any articles I've read.

    What is the case? Does anyone know for sure?

  • southmtnman Provo, UT
    Sept. 23, 2011 11:28 a.m.

    While we are speculating here are some scenarios:

    Josh has described Susan as less wholesome than everyone seems to think. The evidence in Steven Powell's home suggests that may be true. Susan may have been a willing participant in the "relationship" with her father in law.

    Perhaps Josh was not aware of the "relationship" between his father and wife, but then learned of it around 2009. That could be a motive for getting rid of her.

    or

    Josh learned of the relationship, confronted his father but was unwilling to turn in a man he loves, so they conspired to get rid of Susan, hoping to cover up the mess yet leave Josh with the kids.

    or

    Josh discovered the inappropriate relationship and threatened to "out" Susan, who then disappeared, running away from a false life that was unraveling. She could be living under another name somewhere else, just as Josh has said.

    or

    Steven set about to get rid of Susan, so Josh took the kids on a "camping trip" while Steven arranged for Susan's "disappearance" (Daddy makes Josh's problem marriage and his own sins go away).

    A great book and movie someday. You can't make this stuff up!

  • IndeMak South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 23, 2011 11:50 a.m.

    This is not a waste of time in any sense. Whether Steve knows anything about his daughter in law is irrelevent if you have someone that could damage others due to an appetite for child porn and wanting to take it to another level. From seeing the interview of Steve, he has a lot of issues and I would not want anyone like that around my children.

    God help him!

  • debra517 ROYAL OAK, MI
    Sept. 23, 2011 11:59 a.m.

    Josh Powell is one strange man. How could publishing a woman's diaries 'help bring her home?; assuming that he already permitted the police to review them. What he apparently hopes is that they might deflect suspicion away from him in some way; sorry, JP, if you are reading this; everyone suspects you and your Father's arrest has only increased people's suspicions of you and your Father.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Sept. 23, 2011 12:18 p.m.

    It sure sounds like the Powell family has some serious issues, and it is too bad the Cox family, including the late Susan, got caught up in it. Wow!

  • sid 6.7 Holladay, UT
    Sept. 23, 2011 12:22 p.m.

    I'm thinking the "apple does not fall too far from the tree" on this deal.

    Powell Sr. will "Rat" his kid out in a plea bargan, you just watch.

    Your days are numbered Joshie my boy!

    Ten bucks says Josh skips town in the next 45 days. Who's with me?

  • RedRyder SLC, Utah
    Sept. 23, 2011 12:35 p.m.

    Does josh powell have a mother? I am curious if so where is she in all this. If not, what happened to her and when? Any other siblings?

  • RedRyder SLC, Utah
    Sept. 23, 2011 12:37 p.m.

    Does Josh have a mother? If so where is she in all this mess? If not, what happened to her?

  • SSOLDMAN MONROE, UT
    Sept. 23, 2011 12:39 p.m.

    By Powell Jr predicting a possible suicide, it sounds like he is trying to explain her untimely death. Apparently the West Valley Police are onto something? He seems to be trying to deflect attention and coverup.
    I would guess that Susan Powell had no idea what a sick family she had married into. Even After moving to Utah she told her friends she was creeped out by her father-in-law.

  • BobP Port Alice, B.C.
    Sept. 23, 2011 12:50 p.m.

    I practiced criminal law for 35 years. It is waste of time because the items seized were on a search warrant issued with restrictions and for a different purpose.

    Secondly, the refusal of anyone who is a suspect or person of interest, is not only common sense but the advice I gave those I acted for.

  • Skippy West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 23, 2011 1:00 p.m.

    Hopefully the police have more evidence against Josh Powell than "uncooperative" to consider him a "person of interest"

  • photographermom South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 23, 2011 1:30 p.m.

    Sick, sick, sick man! Gratefully this is just the ammunition the police have needed to remove the kids.

    @southmtnman: I hope you are wrong and Susan was not involved with him at all. I guess you never know.

  • MRFOOTBALL DRAPER, UT
    Sept. 23, 2011 1:48 p.m.

    I think the father Powell is involved with the son Josh Powell. They are both in on the disapearance. I also think the wood in the Delta area will shed some light on the possibility that the gal missing was burned or possibly had her ashes on the wood. A possibility that the wood is in one place and body parts scatterd to prevent one from finding a grave. It's a sad situation and the POweel family has problems. Perhaps Susan was on to something and found out. It sounds like a lifetime movie, and hopefully this thing gets solved! The search in the Delta desert continues and maybe that is why.

    Although not convicted (Josh), how can he be so stone cold. Give it up and close the case! He knows what he did!

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    Sept. 23, 2011 1:53 p.m.

    BobP | 9:30 a.m. Sept. 23, 2011
    Port Alice, B.C.
    "Waste of time."

    Every article that is written on the Powells you are anti-investigation. For someone that lives in Canada, you sure do care about the Powells not being investigated.

    You think that investigating a missing young woman, child porn, or voyeurism is a "waste of time." You are either sick, or a Powell family member.

  • justcap Provo, UT
    Sept. 23, 2011 1:54 p.m.

    BobP 12:50 p.m. "Secondly, the refusal of anyone who is a suspect or person of interest, is not only common sense but the advice I gave those I acted for."

    Perhaps so, but it sure is different when YOUR WIFE/ MOTHER OF YOUR KIDS GOES MISSING. Refusing to help find her is not a smart legal move, it is a despicable display of not caring about the woman who went missing.

    You probably didn't win too many cases in those 35 years, did you?

  • Dektol Powell, OH
    Sept. 23, 2011 2:02 p.m.

    Waste of time. Waste of money. Waste of effort and resources that could be better used elsewhere.
    The Cox clan should shut up and stay home and wait for law enforcement to tell them what reality is rather than wasting all the court and lawyer time with foolish legal baloney.

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    Sept. 23, 2011 2:04 p.m.

    BobP | 12:50 p.m. Sept. 23, 2011
    Port Alice, B.C.
    "I practiced criminal law for 35 years. It is waste of time because the items seized were on a search warrant issued with restrictions and for a different purpose."

    You are wrong. In the U.S., Law Enforcement property obtains a search warrant for a crime, and in the conduct of properly servicing that search warrant finds proof of a different crime, all evidence is admissible for both the new and old charges.

    You obviously didn't practice law in any of the United States. Was your law school accredited, or OJT?

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    Sept. 23, 2011 2:06 p.m.

    Keep turning up the heat on Steve and Josh. We're getting closer to the truth with or without their help and cooperation.

  • So. Cal Reader Escondido, CA
    Sept. 23, 2011 2:08 p.m.

    Bless you, Chuck and Judy Cox!! If anyone can't see a marked, marked difference between how the Cox Family has handled this tragic ordeal compared to the Powell's, they're nuts! May the Cox' when custody of their grandchildren & the environment they're living under.

  • Floyd Johnson Broken Arrow, OK
    Sept. 23, 2011 2:26 p.m.

    BobP

    The closest precedent that I can recall is Segura v. United States. (evidence illegally found without a search warrant is admissible if the evidence is later found and legally seized based on information independent of the illegal search.)

    That doesn't apply directly to this case (ancillary evidence found during a legal search). Will you provide the court case so that I can study the topic. Thanks

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 23, 2011 3:22 p.m.

    No one can say for sure if Josh is guilty, including the Cox family.

    With these new revelations coming out, and Susan talking about divorce, it certainly looks like there may have been motivation for the Powells to keep her quiet.

    That said, very often in life, a person has a motivation to do wrong and it doesn't mean they actually did the wrong. People resist doing the wrong thing all the time.

    I really wish the WVC police would offer Josh a lie detector test, and Josh would accept it.

  • HCB63 Orem, UT
    Sept. 23, 2011 4:24 p.m.

    Based on this article, I find it very interesting that both father and son (the Powells) place blame for the various situations on Susan, who is unable to defend herself against these accusations. 'It's not their fault at all. Susan is to blame'--is that really their defense? Everything [that's been released] may be circumstantial at this point; but it's not looking too good for the Powells.

  • snowman Provo, UT
    Sept. 23, 2011 4:26 p.m.

    cjb: A lie dectector test can't help or hurt him.

  • md Cache, UT
    Sept. 23, 2011 4:36 p.m.

    Of course he pleaded not guilty. Like father, like son.

  • Oh, please! Saint George, UT
    Sept. 23, 2011 4:37 p.m.

    @one old man--READ the story. The boys are in protective custody.

    Please, oh, please give those boys to their other grandparents. Can't imagine what they must have witnessed. All the adults on the Powell side betraying them. Breaks my heart for them.

  • So. Cal Reader Escondido, CA
    Sept. 23, 2011 4:46 p.m.

    Re: cjb "I really wish the WVC police would offer Josh a lie detector test, and Josh ‎would accept it." Lie detector tests can be used for investigative purposes & are very helpful in that regard; however, they are ‎inadmissible in court. I, too, wish Josh would agree to do such. And why wouldn't he if ‎he was clearly as innocent as he's said he is? But, just wanted to point out lie detector ‎tests cannot be used in court.‎

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    Sept. 23, 2011 4:50 p.m.

    BobP | 12:50 p.m. Sept. 23, 2011
    Port Alice, B.C.
    I practiced criminal law for 35 years. It is waste of time because the items seized were on a search warrant issued with restrictions and for a different purpose.

    "...Horton v. California (1990) ... replaced with a three-prong test: (a) officer engaged in lawful activity at the time; (b) the objects incriminating character was immediately apparent and not concealed, and (c) the officer had lawful access to the object and it was discovered accidentally. For example, in a roadside stop, the driver opens a glove box to get their registration or proof of insurance, and the officer views what in his or her experience looks like a container of drugs or a weapon." - Per NC Wesleyan College Website.

  • Reasonable Person Layton, UT
    Sept. 23, 2011 6:13 p.m.

    BobP, even Walmart can turn you in for porno on your thumb drive, if you take the pictures in to be developed

    Laws have changed since 1820.

  • MoJules Florissant, MO
    Sept. 23, 2011 7:00 p.m.

    Well, both Powell daddies really messed up. Let's see, Josh moves to his dads and keeps his kids away from anyone, hmmmm, is that highly suspect? And how stupid are they to not think that there would come a search warrant? Are they both so full of themselves? So Pandora's Box is open, they find porn grandpa's computer and two little boys live in his home. So of course those kids have to be removed and I am sure that Josh is beside himself trying to get custody, cause now those children can talk. Josh, I hope you have enjoyed your time of playing games and thinking you could get away with things. You and your daddy really had this under control and then because your daddy has a sick perversion, you are now not protected by him, and you can't hide behind your little boys. Yes, I believe you are guilty, everything you have said and done just makes me suspect you more and more. If it is proven that you murdered the mother of those little boys, I hope that they choose never to see you again. Maybe your daddy is keeping a place warm for you.

  • twinkleberry67 Layton, UT
    Sept. 23, 2011 8:09 p.m.

    Why am I not surprised? After a husband and father-in-law have expounded for the last two years about what a scarlet woman Susan is proported to be, It is my opinion that Steve and Josh are perfectly capable of being the pot and the kettle all by themselves. Moreover, my prayers and good thoughts are with those little boys. I hope they will be alright.

  • annewandering oakley, idaho
    Sept. 23, 2011 8:54 p.m.

    What does the P in BobP stand for?

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Sept. 24, 2011 12:23 a.m.

    One creepy guy down, one to go.

  • desert dweller SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Sept. 24, 2011 2:58 a.m.

    well one thing for sure these people are enteraining. both sides are hoping for a movie deal

  • MrsB1971 Kissimmee, FL
    Sept. 24, 2011 7:25 a.m.

    I am glad to see that the state did the right thing and put the children in protective custody. I hope that Susan's parents are awarded custody.

    To Jennifer Graves, you are a very strong and brave woman to have stepped forward and spoken out. Thank you.

    I am wondering, after finding out about Steven Powell's proclivities, how much did Josh know about all of this? If SP's daughter knew all of this, it seems more than likely that Josh would know.
    If Josh loved his wife and his children as much as he is trying to make everyone believe, why would he move his family in with his father and put them in harms way?

  • Wixom Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 24, 2011 7:44 a.m.

    I think you have two guys here that think they're smart enough to get away with anything and they're playing a game. Yes, a waste of time, money and emotions - why don't they just come out and tell what they did so the search can end. And what does it mean that Josh is uncooperative? Is he just not helping or is he obviously obstructing? If its the latter it seems he should be on trial right now.

  • Canuk SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 24, 2011 7:58 a.m.

    Didn't josh's sister say on tv that she hopes josh will follow his dad to jail soon? I'm disgusted with the legal system that kept those boys with the powells and refused to let the Cox's even have a visit with them. Way to go judge! I hope you are sleeping well. By the way, the police said the pictures of Susan looked like they were taken without her permission. Hidden camera anyone? These people are sick and I'm glad the children are safe before josh thinks he should get rid of them too.

  • Canuk SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 24, 2011 8:25 a.m.

    desert dweller | 2:58 a.m. Sept. 24, 2011
    SAINT GEORGE, UT
    You are disgusting! The Cox's just want to know what happened to their daughter! Can you imgine what they are going through and have gone through. Especially, now, worrying about those 2 little grandchildren. Believe me I know what nightmares you have worrying about them. To think that the only thing they want is a movie deal. Get a life!

  • BobP Port Alice, B.C.
    Sept. 24, 2011 10:16 a.m.

    My, my I created a storm. I have never practiced law in the US and I do note that Canadian Criminal law gives the person charged greater protections than most US States do.

    I would remind many people of the "Fruit of the poisoned tree" doctrine.

    During my years of practice I defended six murder cases. In one there was a conviction as charged - 25 years to life. In one other there was a complete aquittal on the grounds of self defence.

    The other 4 were all husbands shooting adulterous wives. All charged with first degree murder and were convicted of manslaughter - the longest sentence among them being 4 years.

    For those who might be interested I would refer you to page 96 of Vol. 1 of the Journal of Discourses. It basically says that killing the seducer of your wife is not only a right but a duty. George Q. Cannon not Brigham Young said it.

  • MrsB1971 Kissimmee, FL
    Sept. 24, 2011 10:27 a.m.

    @baseballmamma Good points!

  • desert dweller SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Sept. 24, 2011 10:34 a.m.

    @Canuk are you going to go see the movie ? I'm not

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    Sept. 24, 2011 11:20 a.m.

    BobP | 10:16 a.m. Sept. 24, 2011
    Port Alice, B.C.
    "My, my I created a storm. I have never practiced law in the US and I do note that Canadian Criminal law gives the person charged greater protections than most US States do. I would remind many people of the "Fruit of the poisoned tree" doctrine."

    I am not a lawyer, but I could recognize that you don't know any case law in these United States. If you are a lawyer in Canada, good for you. Don't claim to know anything about U.S. laws or case laws, and that something is a "waste of time."

    FYI. "Fruit of the poisoned tree" doctrine." (a U.S. only theory) is subject to four main exceptions. The tainted evidence is admissible if:

    1.it was discovered in part as a result of an independent, untainted source;
    2.it would inevitably have been discovered despite the tainted source; or
    3.the chain of causation between the illegal action and the tainted evidence is too attenuated; or
    4.the search warrant not based on probable cause was executed by government agents in good faith.

    FYI. There is nothing showing any "tainted evidence."

  • BobP Port Alice, B.C.
    Sept. 24, 2011 12:45 p.m.

    majmajor:

    The Supreme Court of Canada adopted the fruit of the poisoned tree doctrine in referring to a US case, so it is more than US only. You don't sound like a lawyer but you do sound like a cop.

    I would expect that the search could be caught on either 1 or 4 of the items you mentioned.

    There is one aspect of Canadian criminal law you would not like. The prosecution has to make total disclosure of all evidence, but the defense need not disclose anything except alibi.

  • ted001 Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 24, 2011 6:38 p.m.

    How does Canadian law apply here and why are we discussing it? We might as well talk about laws of Timbaktu.

  • runnerguy50 Virginia Beach, Va
    Sept. 24, 2011 7:14 p.m.

    No surprise that porn is involved in this. Porn is made by the devil himself.

  • mytymouse09 SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 25, 2011 8:06 a.m.

    To "southmtnman"--I think your ideas are absolutely ridiculous! Even his own daughter knew her father had issues for a long time, and the idea of Susan being involved with that weirdo is totally absurd.

    I guess if Susan committed suicide, as Josh stated, she then built a fire and burned herself up, or if she died by fire, she then buried the wood she used to cremate herself. Honestly, I think Steven and Josh think that we, the public, are totally stupid.

    I am glad though that the children are out of Steven Powell's home. I have thought for a long time that those children know something, which is the reason Steven and Josh have gone to such lengths to separate the boys from contact with others.

    I think the police have been doing a great job, and any time spent in solving a murder is not wasted time. I'm sure if a murder had been committed to the family of any of you who feel that way, your opinion would change drastically.

  • Reasonable Person Layton, UT
    Sept. 25, 2011 4:27 p.m.

    So Cal Reader says "But, just wanted to point out lie detector ‎tests cannot be used in court."

    Actually, there's no blanket law that prevents it.
    In some jurisdictions, the judge can permit polygraph results to be used.

    Of course, the only results that would be permitted, would be those favorable to the defendant. A prosecutorial polygraph that showed a deceptive defendant, would fall under the Fifth Amendment and thus not allowed.

  • nehimomma Parsons, KS
    Sept. 25, 2011 4:37 p.m.

    BobP

    Dude...you know this is in the United States correct? So Canadian Laws are pointless in this discussion. You understand this correct?????? We could start discussing Russian Laws and Chinese Laws and how about Brazilian laws but what on earth is the point, because this Kiddo porn situation happened on American Soil thus American Laws, statutes,precedents constitution ect.. are the ones that will come into play.

  • majmajor1 LAYTON, UT
    Sept. 25, 2011 6:42 p.m.

    nehimomma | 4:37 p.m. Sept. 25, 2011
    Parsons, KS

    Good comments, but Bob P. would know this if he was a decent attorney. My real concern from his prior comments is:

    - In the 21st Century, he is suggesting a legal strategy of, "killing the seducer of your wife is not only a right but a duty." - (BobP | 10:16 a.m. Sept. 24, 2011)

    - He doesn't understand English when "exception" to an exclusionary rule, means that the evidence is allowed. "I would expect that the search could be caught on either 1 or 4 of the items you mentioned." - (BobP | 12:45 p.m. Sept. 24, 2011)

  • Brahmabull sandy, ut
    Sept. 26, 2011 12:13 a.m.

    Majmajor - in your post you put "you are either sick, or a Powell family member"... You forgot to include "or a lawyer". Now let me just say not all lawyers are crooked, but those who have a pretty good idea that their client is guilty and still come up with bogus scenarios to defend them have no morals. I am sure this will be the case with the Powell trial. Good thing is if they do find Susan's remains near Topaz mountain then Josh is done. He already put himself in the general area when he said he was in simpson springs. I'm sure his lawyers will come up with another tall tale to explain that too.

  • Brahmabull sandy, ut
    Sept. 26, 2011 12:20 a.m.

    BobP - The journal of discourses say alot of things. Do you believe everything written in them to be correct? If so, then you are in a world of trouble. The journal of discourses also states that some sins require "blood atonement" to be forgiven, and that killing yourself is the only way to atone for some grave sins on this earth. Is that honestly what you believe?

  • NightTrader Colonia, Yap, FSM
    Sept. 26, 2011 12:21 p.m.

    I thought Susan's father was amazing in his "interview" with the reporters. I am also pleased that at last the courts may give them the rights to have their grandchildren back.

    The Powell's true colors are beginning to show. Things are starting to unravel for Steven & son!

  • L Kaiser REDMOND, WA
    Sept. 27, 2011 2:06 p.m.

    Local news reporting powell kids now with the cox's and josh is now a person of interest in the voyerism cases too! This just keeps getting better and better....WA auhorities do things right, this guy will get caught with WA and UT on it.