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  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 12:28 p.m.

    Let's hope so. I can't take another season of playing BCS opponents the first 3 or 4 weeks and then a list of Idaho, Idaho State, New Mexico State, etc etc etc.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 12:38 p.m.

    It wouldn't bother me either way. I just wish it was over with and stable in whatever form it is going to end up in. There is speculation on literally every possibility. I don't think superconferences are the way to go. Fans would be the losers and greed and egos would win.
    By the time the final dust settles, BYU will end up in a good place regardless.
    If Texas wants the BIG 12 to survive,they will have to get some humility. I am not sure even a sledge hammer to the head would be able to accomplish that.

  • dutgut Saint George, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 12:56 p.m.

    I agree that I would rather watch a BYU vs. Big 12 conference games (win or lose) then this year's second half schedule.
    I think BYU should take the invite if it comes. Independence has it benefits but it will never get BYU in the National Championship game even if they go undefeated. Maybe a BCS but not the NC game (just ask Utah, TCU, Boise St). If the Big 12 becomes unstable and not a good fit, then BYU jumps back into Independence.
    Could BYU bring the ESPN contract to the Big 12 schedule? That would be a good thing for the Big 12 too.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    Sept. 21, 2011 1:10 p.m.

    If the conference is stable and if BYUTV gets to broadcast games not broadcast by other outlets then I think BYU should go for it. If not, see how independence plays out.

    A Big 12 with Airforce and TCU would be great. BYU would not win many championships either way but when they did, it would be sweet. No more winning 1/2 of the conference titles in the Big 12.

  • LCPDuke IDAHO FALLS, ID
    Sept. 21, 2011 1:46 p.m.

    It is interesting to see what happens to many BYU fans if we don't win 1/2 the championships. I would be happy to be in the Big 12 (if it lasts) and would enjoy the competiton. I think we need to get in to BCS league to help us avoid purgatory if super conferences do happen.

  • Outsider Looking In BOISE, ID
    Sept. 21, 2011 1:57 p.m.

    BYU would be crazy not to accept an invite to a Big 12, even if there weren't any promises beyond a five-year period. BYU playing in the middle of the Big 12 and finishing 8-4 or 7-5 every year (losing 3 conference games a year), would be more exciting and rewarding than Independence and finishing 10-2 or 9-3 every year. The season would be more interesting, the competition would be better, and the potential for having a truly big season (with a couple of upsets) would be something to always look forward to.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 1:59 p.m.

    Considering:

    byu has one of the worst offenses in the nation

    UCF has one of the best defenses in the nation

    BYU can't run

    BYU can't score more than 1 offensive touchdown per game(self imposed limit)

    UCF if FULL of athletes

    byu has maybe 5 athletes on the entire team

    Speed kills

    byu never does well against speed and athletes

    It's a no brainer

    UCF 31
    byu 10

    1-3.

    Again

    Soon to be 1-4.

    Again.

    GO UCF!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Sept. 21, 2011 2:00 p.m.

    ESPN has one report saying Missouri and the SEC have reached an informal agreement, and another reporting the SEC denying it.

    Of course there had also been a few reports on ESPN wherein the SEC claimed they were set at 12, and not looking to expand. And that was AFTER reports surfaced chronicling Texas A&M's flirtation with the SEC.

    Jeff Call is reporting that "[Missouri] would prefer remaining in a stable Big 12," but I'm not confident the Big TeX can be described as "stable". This is a conference that already lost 2 [Colorado and Nebraska], is clinging tenuously to a 3rd [Texas A&M, who having already received an invitation to the SEC is angling to get out and join them], and a 4th [Oklahoma] who is demanding their commissioner be ousted as a condition to remain.

    And Mizzou stands to earn more money in the SEC than in the Big TeX.

    So how would remaining in their current conference suggest greater stability?

    And what would happen to the Big XII should it be further weakened by the Tigers potential departure?

  • sfurules VANCOUVER, WA
    Sept. 21, 2011 2:08 p.m.

    Oh good....Chris "B" (indeed) has reared his level, unbiased head. Once again, I have to ask Chris why he is such an avid follow of everything BYU, if he hates us so much?

    Regarding an invite to the Big XII; I would be really exited were it to go through, it would mean a lot of great things for us. BUT...if we are invited and don't accept, then I would expect that we have very, very good reason for doing so.

  • BYU Joe MISSION VIEJO, CA
    Sept. 21, 2011 2:13 p.m.

    BYU missed it's invitation to the Prom when Miss Utah got the call. Fine it was due to religion and politics. So we went alone to the dance and stood proudly in the center of the room. Turns out we look super fine - perhaps not the best looking option in the room but certainly an option. We are talked about, discussed in secret circles, in the open forums while waiting for the call.

    Meanwhile Miss Utah continues to enjoy her moment in the sunshine. (Yes you own this year but it will not last - parity is funny that way)

    But lets be honest - we want the invite, badly. We need it to have any chance of ever making the Prom Court and standing on that stage again.

    So to our good friends in Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas, Iowa, and Missouri - let us join you and become your new darling - we will continue to shine and make ya'all look fine.

    By the way we come fully equipped with a High Def TV Station, fans that travel, and great skiing.

    PS - If its okay with you will continue to go out with our new friends in the WCC for Basketball.

  • ATC Stockton, CA
    Sept. 21, 2011 2:36 p.m.

    Chris B, I think that is proof that you don't even read the articles since your post is totally irrelevant.

    I think BYU should join as a football only member, at least for the first couple of years, so if the conference does fold it would be easy for them to go back to being independent

  • Big Blue Payson, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 2:58 p.m.

    If BYU doesn't join the Big 12, Tom Holmoe and Cecil Samuelson should be fired. It is better to be part of something than nothing these days. And if worse came to worse, what would that be? They could always go back to the MWC or independence. Hey, they are independent now.

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 3:01 p.m.

    I hope that BYU does get an invite and accepts to join the Big 12. The program has proven over a long period of time that they belong. However, Bronco needs to get a handle on why the team "gave up" once they were down on Saturday because in the Big 12, there will be many opportunities to "give up."

  • Eliot Santaquin, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 3:11 p.m.

    Tom Holmoe can be fired. For Cecil Samuelson, I think the proper term is "released".

  • Andy Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 3:14 p.m.

    Hope the invite comes. Not a Y fan, but I would hate to see it languish in no-mans-land if a super conference forms.

    Very glad PAC 12 declined to add the new schools. They seem to create problems wherever they go. That and it would cut into Utah's So Cal exposure.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 3:18 p.m.

    ChrisB why do you have to be so negative? Life is sure a lot more than making negative comments about BYU. You do need to get a life. The bible says that contention is of the Devil. Let's address the issues, not our prejudices.

  • RedUte MAPLE VALLEY, WA
    Sept. 21, 2011 3:26 p.m.

    As a Ute fan I have actually changed my mind on this. Before last week I was hoping BYU would die a slow and painfull death by not getting into a BCS confernce. But after the beat down we put on you last Saturday, if you do go off into football irrelevancy, such future beatdowns on you just wouldn't be that much fun. So all I can say is if an invite is extended to you by the Big 12, jump on it. Go Utes!!

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 3:28 p.m.

    They'll invite BYU but I'm not sure BYU would accept...they have everything they need right now.

  • Bob H Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 21, 2011 3:33 p.m.

    Let's face it; it's all about football and the heck with the other sports. IF super conferences are coming, BYU will have to affiliate with someone or risk being one of the "have nots" i.e. MWC, C-USA, WAC. But let's not jump in just for the sake of jumping it so as not to be left out. Let's make sure whatever conference BYU goes for will be solvent and competitive. Think long term not just this year; maybe BYU should have stayed in the MWC - along with TCU. And while we're at it, let's not forget there are other sports at BYU, albeit mostly non-revenue producing. Right now, some are in the WCC, one in the WAC - for this year - and some without a conference affiliation. Would be nice to give all sports the same conference home. But it is about football and money, isn't it?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 3:36 p.m.

    @IDC

    "If the conference is stable and if BYUTV gets to broadcast games not broadcast by other outlets"

    Oh, that would be a problem. Oklahoma is already upset that Texas has its own network and that was what kept the four of them from joining the PAC-12 which wants revenue equality. I don't think they'd be thrilled to see BYU bring in another network.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 3:45 p.m.

    if the Y gets the invite - go and don't look back!

  • Bob H Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 21, 2011 3:52 p.m.

    A@DC is correct; Pac-12 wouldn't allow the LHN but Big 12 might allow BYU to rebroadcast games on BYUtv. Still...Big 12?? They'd need a few other teams too. And is anyone SURE Texas et al wouldn't bolt if given a chance? Is that BYU's best bet for conference affiliation?

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    Sept. 21, 2011 3:57 p.m.

    Okay, seriously, this will not work. Why? Because the no-play Sunday rule that is BYU, which I live and respect. Will the Church back away from this requirement? Next, two networks won't work. Why? Look at the preception and acceptance of OU with the LHN, won't work. Lastly, BYU fans you DO NOT want to be in the BIG-12 for travel destinations alone. Living in the midwest I can affirmatively tell you that winter games are terrible. Texas games won't be too bad but anything North of there is terrible from about mid October on and all of August is rough in Texas...the towns, barring Texas towns, are boring and have NOTHING to do but drink and party...seriously...stay independent...

  • IDC Boise, ID
    Sept. 21, 2011 4:01 p.m.

    @alt134 I don't think they would be thrilled either but BYUTV isn't going to be pulling in 15 million a year for 20 years. It will give Big 12 fans a chance to see the conference games not televised as well.

  • localblue Sandy, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 4:05 p.m.

    If the invitation comes, JOIN THE BIG 12. Holmoe would be an absolute fool to turn it down. The potential downside is much greater and more likely than the potential upside of remaining independent. Last season and last week just cannot happen as an independent without completely ruining BYU football. But they are and may continue. We could again this year be 0-2 against in-state teams. Take the invite!

  • SouthernUtahUte Hurricane, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 4:05 p.m.

    It would be a great opportunity for the Cougars to get an invite from the Big-12.

    Wouldn't it be awesome to have two BCS teams 45 minutes from each other? In my personal opinion, the rivalry would take a step up in intensity.

    Hopefully this opportunity happens BYU! More importantly, hopefully you jump on it! It would be great for the university and state.

    GO UTES!!

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 4:14 p.m.

    @IDC

    True, so I guess ideally my comment should go from would to could. Now that I think about it, the PAC-12 cared so much about revenue equality that they forced USC and UCLA to conform. I wonder if that was an issue they would have with BYU.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    Sept. 21, 2011 4:39 p.m.

    @BYU Joe...you need to familiarize yourself with the towns in which you would travel to before you make such a bold statement that your fans will be willing to travel to MO in November with the wonderful freezing rain and humid bone-chilling cold. In addition, it is a rather poorly thought out statement that your network would even be acceptable to the BIG-12 as it is evident that the only team that likes such a network is Texas and to think that a second would be welcomed is a streeeeetch. Lastly, there is no such a concept as parity in college sports. There are the have's and the have not's, which is called the BCS system. Until that is eliminated, parity is only found in the law of football consecration.

  • UT4Big12 HOUSTON, TX
    Sept. 21, 2011 4:42 p.m.

    It seems like everyone here has an opinion (right or wrong) about the Big 12 (namely Texas and Oklahoma). Oklahoma is not jealous of the Longhorn Network like some of you would believe. In fact, OU would love to have a network of its own. They've addressed this issue many times.

    The schools will now get together to discuss conference stability. All things will be on the table, except the Longhorn Network (per UT's athletic director). The Longhorn network is non-negotiable.

    The Big 12 is currently the only conference that allows its member schools to have their own networks. This is why Notre Dame and BYU would be perfect fits.

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 5:05 p.m.

    Grab it. Before we lose to Idaho State on national TV.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 5:19 p.m.

    We need to get humble and start writing letters of intent.
    Texas A&M announced with a letter their intent. So did OK. So did Pitt and Syracuse. So did Missouri. Texas is too proud but still set up meetings with Larry Scott.
    I have not heard anything from BYU. Are we so sure we can afford to be the 1960's girl waiting by the phone? Let's get active with this.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Sept. 21, 2011 5:22 p.m.

    Wouldn't they be even more humiliated than last week?
    Maybe wait a bit and try to walk the walk, dance the dance, then quietly whisper that the team might be improving?
    Watched BYU and this strange egomania since 1972.

  • Mike Johnson Stafford, VA
    Sept. 21, 2011 5:25 p.m.

    >>>It is interesting to see what happens to many BYU fans if we don't win 1/2 the championships.

    LCP Duke, aren't we already seeing that? BYU didn't win half of the Mountain West football championships either. Did BYU's fan base fall apart because of that? In 12 seasons, BYU won the championship 3 1/3 times. Utah won it 3 1/3 times. TCU won it 3 times. Colorado State won it 2 1/3 times. Even if you count the three-way shared title as a full title, BYU (and Utah) each won the championship 1/3 of the time.

    I have confidence that BYU's fanbase would remain intact and would probably grow if BYU joined the Big 12. I think that would be a good more.

  • Dee J Portland, OR
    Sept. 21, 2011 5:35 p.m.

    I love how Larry Scott just played the part of marriage counselor and told Texas and Oklahoma to "go home and work it out." IMHO, a stable Big 12 would be the best solution right now.

    It would seem that among the Ute fans posting here the consensus is that, should a Big 12 invite come, BYU should jump at it. I wholeheartedly agree - and we Cougar fans should take some careful notes from our Ute fan brethren: there is a sense of prestige and long-term stability that comes with a ticket to a BCS AQ conference. Like it or not, we're never going to get that through independence. What's the difference between Utah's program today vs. a year ago? In substance, probably not much - but there's a whole new attitude and feel about it that will provide a definite recruiting advantage, not to mention the serious PAC-12 paychecks to come.

    Regarding MO and the SEC, the latest reports on ESPN are that the SEC has no intention of inviting MO to join. So MO stays with the Big 12.

  • bgl Santa Monica, CA
    Sept. 21, 2011 5:43 p.m.

    I now have to demand that people leave Chris B. alone. Yes, he is obsessed---but he accurately predicted a big blowout by the U in Provo. I thought the Utes had a great chance but I couldn't have called that like he did. Instead of knocking him posting on BYU stories, admit that the guy nailed it and give him a hearty attaboy.

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 6:10 p.m.

    RedUte | 3:26 p.m. Sept. 21, 2011
    MAPLE VALLEY, WA
    "As a Ute fan I have actually changed my mind on this. Before last week I was hoping BYU would die a slow and painfull death by not getting into a BCS confernce. But after the beat down we put on you last Saturday..."

    I hope that no local team has to experience the same comedy of errors that BYU experienced last Saturday. As a BYU fan, I wish your team well the rest of this year.

    I think that a BYU vs Utah connection would be better for both teams if the games were between PAC and Big-12 teams. It would make the game great, and add a national interest to the game. This is probably the best reason for BYU to join the Big-12 (followed by the scheduling issues).

    The Big-12 needs to get fixed / stabilized before BYU decides. BYU is better off as an independent than in a messed up conference.

  • Eddie Would Go FPO, AE
    Sept. 21, 2011 6:19 p.m.

    I'm confused. I thought being an Independent was awesome.

    If so, why would BYU consider joining a league?

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Sept. 21, 2011 6:26 p.m.

    I really don't see BYU being invited to the Big-12 or any other BCS conference. As with the PAC-12, where 3 school presidents threatened to veto a BYU invite, I imagine that that would be probable behavior from any other BCS conference. BYU is just a struggling mid-major football program that has tons of "OTHER" negative baggage that BCS conferences most likely don't want to deal with. As it stands today, I've heard nothing about a BYU Big-12 invite from any school or conference official and Big-12 news is on here in Dallas 24/7.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 6:43 p.m.

    What's the worst thing that could happen by joining the BIG 12? It breaks up and BYU becomes a former BIG 12 team who is then an independent. That is a whole lot more marketable than being a former MWC team that is now independent.

    What's the best thing that could happen? BYU gets into a BCS conference (and we have endless comments from insecure Ute fans about how much better the Pac 12 is.) BYU probably doesn't go to a BCS bowl right away, but we get OU and Texas and Oklahoma State in Provo instead of Idaho, Idaho State and New Mexico State. This is a no brainer. From a fan's perspective, this is a LOT better scenario.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 6:49 p.m.

    atc
    of course chrissy b didn't read the article. he like me is a utah grad

  • Dee J Portland, OR
    Sept. 21, 2011 6:53 p.m.

    mgr63 | 6:26 p.m. : You may be right, but multiple reports from ESPN and SI have said that the Big 12 has BYU on a short list of candidates to join the conference, and that the conference has already reached out to BYU, Louisville and West Virginia to express interest. Given the current environment, this likely doesn't mean much, but I doubt the conference would have BYU on a short list of candidates if there were serious objections among any of the member schools.

    When BYU was previously mentioned as a Pac-10 expansion candidate, these comments were always from media speculation, never attributed to the conference itself. Glen Tuckett said that he knew the Pac-10 was a no-go 20 years ago. I see a difference here.

    I think if UT/OU can put a 5-year agreement in place, we'll see 3 invites in short order, and hopefully BYU is on that list.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 7:02 p.m.

    BYU joining the WCC and then announcing it will leave in a year will be bad PR for BYU and lds church. Their leaders know this and won't do this to the other religious institutions in the WCC.

    BYU should have stuck around 1 more year in the MWC. Now TCU will join the Big12 instead of BYU.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Sept. 21, 2011 7:17 p.m.

    @ Dee J, there have been dozens of pundits talking about it........but no Big-12 school or official has mentioned BYU once. I just think that BYU as a package is very unattractive and a BCS conference won't make any accommodations in scheduling based upon LDS Church requirements. Academia at BYU is not a mainstream education in the least, which I believe that and the social issues attached to the church as well is not a good thing. It remains to be seen, but I really think that some schools in every conference would veto BYU.

  • mightymite DRAPER, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 7:42 p.m.

    BYU and thier incluence ruined the WAC. It turn BYU reeked havoc on the MWC (a conference they forced to be founded). Who would trust these folks.... An athletic organization.... run at Gods U, I think not. You have burned your bridges BYU... beter be careful and not oust yourselves anymore. BYU in in a very weak posiion for any kind of negotiation.

  • President Joker Washington, DC
    Sept. 21, 2011 7:48 p.m.

    So much for being "Independant"

  • Duh west jordan, ut
    Sept. 21, 2011 8:16 p.m.

    bgl | 5:43 p.m

    Your right, Chris got it close didn't he? Well one out of 100 is such a great thing right? I mean I bet that if I predict the outcome against Utah with every game and every sport, I will get two out of a 100 which means I win!

    I mean, how much do you even know this guy. We sit through every basketball and football season listening to him predict on every game well, duhhhhh some times your gonna get lucky.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 8:18 p.m.

    I have to admit, I have seen some pretty stupid posts here tonight. 1) BYU did NOT ruin the WAC, BYU MADE the WAC. The WAC decided to try the first 16 team conference and it was a complete failure. Learn your college football history. All 8 original members of the MWC had enough. 2) BYU MADE the MWC. The MWC decided to create an unbelievably stupid TV deal that few teams liked. And by the way, Utah left first. 3) The WCC had to be aware that they weren't going to keep BYU forever. They're not dumb. It may happen that BYU will leave earlier than expected. 4) BYU would be crazy not to accept an invite to the Big 12. It will be a great conference in both football and basketball, even if it's only for the next 3-5 years.

  • GoGetter Sandy, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 8:21 p.m.

    They better. They sure underestimated being Independent. They need to get back to relevance and turn their program around. I think it's a lot more serious than they think. Their program is on its way down the toilet. Their Athletic Director may cause BYU athletics to wither away and die. I hope he makes the right decision to search for a way to join just so they don't get "left out". This decision will change BYU's future to good or gone.

  • II Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 21, 2011 8:30 p.m.

    Miss Chrissy! One in a row! Yes!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Sept. 21, 2011 8:47 p.m.

    @mgr63

    Did you read the news in Dallas? Here's two different articles.

    "As for bringing in new members, Dodds said he likes the 10-team model the league currently has. He acknowledged the league is considering BYU as the 10th member once Texas A&M leaves in 2012"

    "Then a decision is made on whether to go to 10 or 12. Figure on Brigham Young getting an invite for sure. TCU will have to make a decision whether to stay "home" in Texas or go ahead with the Big East. Houston may be a player too."

  • CougarForever Holladay, Utah
    Sept. 21, 2011 8:48 p.m.

    As much as I have hoped for (and still hope for and expect) a Big-12 invite, as others have pointed out, travel may be an issue especially for the "minor" sports teams at BYU as well as fans who might have been willing to make trips to Arizona, Colorado and California but not to Iowa or Kansas. A wayward Ute friend who went to Ames, IA for the Utah-ISU game last year told me that the flight connections were suboptimal and that Ames was "less attractive than Tooele" (whatever that means). Apparently getting to Manhattan and Lawrence, KS, Stillwater, OK, Columbia, MO and Waco, TX is no piece of cake either. A fellow BYU alum whose opinion I have valued in the past thinks that the Big-12 is not a natural fit for BYU and would prefer to see BYU and TCU in the MWC helping it achieve AQ status. But, I just don't see BYU turning away from the increased exposure and revenue that would come from Big-12 membership. We should understand, though, that the Big-12 is fragile and even if 5 years of existence is guaranteed the future beyond that is murky.

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 8:52 p.m.

    This year is an anomaly since it is the first year of independence, in coming years the schedule will improve. Football schedules are done years in advance and as 'deals' expire teams will want to schedule BYU. One of the reasons teams will want BYU is because non-conference games are to make money and BYU 'travels' as well as anybody. I believe that BYU needs to remain independent at least 5 years to see how it plays out. Notre Dame has done well for decades, it can be the same for the Cougars.

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 8:56 p.m.

    bgl | 5:43 p.m. Sept. 21, 2011
    Santa Monica, CA
    "I now have to demand that people leave Chris B. alone. Yes, he is obsessed---but he accurately predicted a big blowout by the U in Provo."

    I don't remember a time that Chris B. ever "predicted" a BYU win. Even a broken clock is correct twice a day. He is a broken clock that doesn't deserve an "attaboy."

    My congratulations go out to the Ute Football Team.

  • Justmythoughts Richfield, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 8:56 p.m.

    @A1994...Loved your comments. That is exactly how I feel. I wish I could have given your comments 1000 recommends! Great Post

  • Duh west jordan, ut
    Sept. 21, 2011 9:00 p.m.

    @woodyff....

    Notre Dame has done well for decades. Uhhmmmm, Notre Dame did well before the BCS. Since then, tell me how many BCS games they've played in?

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 9:01 p.m.

    I just wonder how stable the Big-12 is and will be into the future. I do think BYU should join if the conference is stable and if it gives them the best shot at an invite to the superconferences. However, they better take careful consideration and make sure this conference isnt just gonna blow up in a year or so.

  • Hawkyo SYRACUSE, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 9:07 p.m.

    bgl, ChrisB ALWAYS picks BYU to lose big. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 9:26 p.m.

    Texas' Network is ripping apart the Big 12. It is the primary reason the Pac 12 didn't take Texas this year.

    The Big 12 will survive if they throttle that network. BYU will get an invite if they agree to the Big 12's new policies on school networks. If you think "oh they'd take BYU with no questions on the network", you haven't been paying attention.

  • mightymite DRAPER, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 10:12 p.m.

    The Big -12 will disolve. BYU is smart to keep out of it-- it is the first smart thing for BYU athletics in years.... But what does BYU know about rash decisions and a direction for the program? You have painted yourselves in a corner and whether you are in or out of a conference you will still be on the outside looking in. Good luck with all that.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Sept. 21, 2011 10:27 p.m.

    Can't see the Texas schools allowing TCU to join the Big XII. Encroachment in their recruiting grounds by a fellow conference member. Won't sit well.

    Air Force? Interesting. How'd that work for getting BCS quality players, considering they can't immediately go into the pros upon graduating because of their military commitment? Don't think AFA is viable.

    The Big XII will grow from adding BYU and the best Big East leftovers available.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Sept. 21, 2011 10:37 p.m.

    Any school that joins the BIG 12 is in trouble. The conference is unstable. Texas is a bully. BYU is better off being an independent or wait for another conference invite to come along.

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 10:39 p.m.

    @Duh - why are you so obsessed with the BCS? And Notre Dame is on NBC every week, that is pretty good exposure. Who cares about the BCS 'championship', until there is a playoff system there will be no championship in college football. (DN censors - I hope this is ok with you)

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 21, 2011 10:44 p.m.

    BYU doesn't need the Big 12. The schedules are made so long in advance that is why this years schedule is not good. But future schedules will be fine and being independent will work fine. I can't understand why everyone is so obsessed with the BCS, it is not a real championship. When the NCAA finally does adopt a playoff system the BCS is gone!

  • LoveTheMountains BELLEVUE, WA
    Sept. 21, 2011 11:34 p.m.

    If BYU joins the Big 12, they need to go all in. Joining just for football and staying in the WCC for all other sports makes zero sense. Can you imaging Big 12 basketball in Provo? Kansas, Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas State, how could you beat that?

  • txusmcret1493 Tyler, TX
    Sept. 22, 2011 12:06 a.m.

    I believe that BYU will be invited to the Big 12, if Texas, and OU kiss and makeup. With the Texas A&M issues and the lawsuit hanging over the Big Tex, I believe that the Aggies will not get out of the Big 12 until the end of 2012-2013. So I think BYu will have another year with Independence and the WCC/WAC hookup. I hope that BYU will get into a stable Big 12, not Big TX. I do think that a healthy Big 12 is the "best fit" (excuse the term) for BYU in the long run. I live in Texas and believe that although not loved, BYU is respected for its overall athletic prowess (especially the Olympic sports)and we have good football and basketball programs too. And BYU's academics match just about all of the Big 12 schools. BYU does not fit into the PAC-12,never did. I also think that WVA and perhaps Louisville or TCU, SMU or Houston will make up the rest of the twelve teams in the conference.

  • bobosmom small town, Nebraska
    Sept. 22, 2011 12:09 a.m.

    Nebraska left the big 12. Don't know if it was a good move on there part but guess that is beside the point. I think for BYU to join the big 12 may not be in there best interest right now cause the conference doesn't seem to be real stable. And like a few of the posts, who'd want to travel from UT to the Midwest. If there was another conference closer it probably be a better idea. I've lived back here most of my life except for several years in UT and the winters are so dang brutal. You'd be lucky if they could make it to Lincoln.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Sept. 22, 2011 12:12 a.m.

    For those that think we should wait and try out independence and make sure the Big 12 is stable before making a decision, I say, "Carpe Diem".
    This window can close forever. We have not been invited, but we have to flirt to get the call. C'mon BYU and send a letter of intent. So, it didn't work out for MO and OK, so what? BYU is independent, we have nobody to upset except the WCC. But everyone knows, including the WCC, it's a stepping stone. Rise Up.

  • stgjazzfan Saint George, UT
    Sept. 22, 2011 9:30 a.m.

    I think BYU should join the BIG 12 and bring a partner school with them.. It would be good if they insisted on USU and BYU as a package. USU has a good Basketball program and a good enough Football program to at least compete with the lower tear programs in the BIG 12. Just think that would place 3 BCS schools in Utah. I think AFA could be the third school to make 12.

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    Sept. 22, 2011 10:05 a.m.

    WhatsInItForMe | 10:27 p.m. Sept. 21, 2011
    Orem, Utah
    "Air Force? Interesting. How'd that work for getting BCS quality players, considering they can't immediately go into the pros upon graduating because of their military commitment? Don't think AFA is viable."

    Your comments on Air Force are an all to typical attitude. Your comments assume that conferences are about "BCS" football players and the NFL, and that the Service Schools' commitments as a negative. Are you telling me that a population that is fighting three (plus) wars, at the cost of their blood, would be a negative draw for any conference?

    You are wrong. Air Force will travel as well as BYU any team in the Mountain States. Why? Because There are Service Members (former, current, and retired) that will come and watch any of the other Service Schools (whether broadcast or at a local stadium). Consider, every year, one of the most watched games is Army vs Navy. No one really cares about either's record. One likes to watch people with a "commitment" and courage doing battle.

    It would be interesting to see some courage on the field vs. what we sometimes watch with other teams.

  • UtahMan4evr Sandy, UT
    Sept. 22, 2011 1:00 p.m.

    As a Utah fan, it would give me a great deal of pleasure to beat down a BCS affiliated BYU rather than an "independent" BYU, but consider these possiblities: Just because Texas and Oklahoma say they would stay for five years doesn't mean they will. BYU's WAC fiasco proves that. BYU would be way out of the currently contituted Big 12 region, increasing travel costs for everyone, and possibly forcing BYU to give up some of it's ESPN money to compensate the other teams. AS much as I admire the honor code (and I do), it might have to be stretched to get the type of players needed to play in the Big 12. As sad as it is, BYU's standard would be an impediment to recruiting the type of players needed to go up against the Oklahoma's of the world. I think the Y is better off standing pat for now. I know your schedule this year is pretty vanilla, but don't you Y fans ballyhoo the great teams you'll be losing to...er playing in the future?

  • usbummer LEESBURG, FL
    Oct. 3, 2011 9:22 a.m.

    Once again, as a Big 12 fan (OSU graduate), I would love to see BYU and Boise State join our conference. The rivalry between your two schools, properly marketed, could be great for the Big 12. I hope to see you in our conference as soon as possible. Good luck.