What else is new? Had this one figured out long ago. How come it too the
Deseret News this long to write about it? It's like closing the barn door after
all the cows and horses have escaped.
This is what happens when you lay off so many people, the investigative team is
understaffed, government malfeasance will run wild. Hire back some people D
news.BTW, those cheering on the death of newspapers need to realize
that stories like this will be uncovered less and less and some thing will
attempted to be slid by the public like the 13 Million Herbert gave out to do no
Wasn't Darrell Smith the mayor of Draper City also a UTA board member?
Sounds like the kind of things that might be done in Chicago. The Solyndra
scandal for example.
Or like insider trading. We disallow individuals with information gained by
virtue of their "insider" status from profiting from the knowledge
that the general public does not have. Why should a UTA Board member be allowed
to profit in the manner alleged? Moreover, considering that UTA will never
recover its development costs and cannot cover even its operating costs, WE, THE
PEOPLE, are bankrolling his profit. If the laws do not prohibit this abuse of
his trust, we should change the law.
I can just hear it coming. Now dozens of posters are going to assume this
transaction was corrupt just because someone made money off a legitimate deal,
transacted via the competitive marketplace, with public information. This is
not like Chicago. There is no evidence of underhanded dealing, conspiracy,
bribery, or misuse of public information. In Utah, because we have
many appointed boards, where volunteers who are smart and capable (usually
business owners) are serving on these boards, there will be times when their
business and volunteer efforts will connect. It happens frequently and is not
evidence of some big "problem" with the way we do business as a
government. The only other option is to have a large, central government
control everything (like in the former USSR) without public input.The controls we have in place are related to disclosure of conflicts - which
according to the article and the Attorney General, were followed in this case by
all parties. Conflicts of interest do not necessarily mean there is
something unethical going on. They are a reflection of our form of
self-government.And Senator Pat Jones' husband Dan Jones is our
major state opinion pollster. Any conflicts there?
Big developers in Utah feed without shame at the public trough. I predict the
new Timp highway will take many, many years to complete, with cost overruns and
delays quietly funded by legislative collusion. . . . just as 201 in SLC took 13
years to complete. The Greeks built the Parthenon in 9 years! Of course, they
didn't have a developer-dominated legislature . . .
How do you get a seat on that board?
The UTA has been a rogue organization for years. Very little oversight and
very little expertise. Apparently, the board can't figure out how the UTA can
be profitable but they can figure out how themselves can make a lot of money.
And the guy is personally insulted by a question. Wow. Shocked, shocked I say!
Is it just me or is Utah looking more and more like Texas every day? Or maybe
just maybe Texas learned it from us.
Stop the corruption and waste of taxpayer money. End UTA, it is not worth the
cost, and it is very expensive, in more ways than one.
This distasteful situation at UTA has been known for years. Why is it taking so
long to do anything about it? The entire public is insulted by
Diehl's attorney's response to responsible questions.
Is it just my imagination, or is Mr. Diehl's name popping up with all sorts of
controversial deals all over the Salt Lake valley? Where Mr. Diehl ends up with
huge financial gains and taxpayers are left with the bills?Once may
be a "conflict" but more than that seems like a pattern.Any further characterization of this guy's behavior would probably not pass
the censors.AG Shurtleff, start the investigations now!And, Cottonwood Heights Council- please do not approve this guy's latest
scheme which is pending before you!
Why was a developer allowed on the UTA Board in the first place??? No less THIS
particular developer? The minute any of us who had been in Draper for any
length of time heard of the appointment we knew bad things were inevitable.
PLEASE follow this investigation through and look clear back to the beginning to
include the selection process for the UTA Board.
Re: Irony Guy | 7:50 a.m. Sept. 20, 2011 Strain on a gnat and swallow a
camel much?You must have forgotten about Boston's Big Dig. The
project began in 1982 with a completion schedule of 1998 and a budget of $2.8
billion. The final portion of the project was completed in 2007 and it will
have cost $22 billion when it is finally paid for in 2038. They only missed
their completion schedule by 9 years. On July 10, 2006 a concrete ceiling panel
weighing 3 tons fell on a car and killed Milena Del Valle. Typical result when
you mix liberals and government.
Obviously someone knows something is going on at a certain location and took
benefit of the information. In the business world, it is called insider
trading. Even Martha Stewart got sent to jail for like 150K. So, for 24M, I
think some actions should be taken.
Seek to understand wrote:"And Senator Pat Jones' husband Dan
Jones is our major state opinion pollster. Any conflicts there?"Dan Jones has never made $24 million off a deal using his wife's influence as
an elected official. Poor comparison.Seek to understand also
wrote:"This is not Chicago."True, in Chicago
they actually arrest and convict people who break the law. Illinois has two
former governors in prison. In Utah the politicians bend the law to shield
themselves and their corrupt friends. Like when UDOT voted a second time to
assure that the company that donated over $80 thousand to the governor won the
multi-billion dollar road construction bid. UDOT the quietly paid millions to
the company that won the bid before the second shady vote. In Utah
there is never a conflict of interest as long as one says they have a conflict
of interest. Imagine if someone robbed a bank and was absolved by simply
revealing that he is robbing a bank. No illegality there. He revealed he was
robbing a bank.Only in Utah. I know the moderators will not approve
this post for no reason other than they do not like it.
For as many fiscal conservatives who live in Utah, I would think there would be
more outrage over wasted public funds.Otherwise, you Tea Partiers
are speaking out both sides of your mouth.As a fiscal conservative,
I hope heads roll on this one.
Let Terry Diehl do jail time, and quite a bit, to teach him and others like him
I am a little shocked that some of the people I thought would post on this issue
and who would be complaining the loudest have not posted at all. This, like the
I-15 rebuild in Utah County, all smack of those on the inside taking care of
those who scratch their backs. Where is Senator Stephenson with his outrage
concerning this? Where are the other members of the Utah Republican Party
leadership on Capitol Hill views on this? I will tell you where they are. On
the beach sipping non-alcoholic beverages congratulating themselves for being
upset with public education and President Obama rather than righting their own
What a bunch of whiners....the guy made a legitimate sale....big deal. Its
probably just the poor complaining about the rich, as usual.
What is UTA ridership (load factor %) on its buses and light rail system? How
many empty seats are carried over how many miles for how many years?
rifleman is anti democratic, and anti working class, and what the rich do is
okay because they are rich. that is why our country is in a mess. no checks on
what anyone does. thats why we should get rid of the parties and go with
straight people that do what they are there to do. change the tax system no
income tax but federal sales tax only. then we all pay taxs and no loop holes.
we would be dept free quickly without tax codes.
this would explain how UTA got their east side Draper TRAX line approved despite
the overwhelming opposition against it by Draper residents. If UTA had the
Draper mayor and likely the city council on the payroll it makes sense why they
approved it despite the clear opposition of Draper residents.
There is so much buck passing, it would make Harry Truman ("the buck stops
here") dizzy. Usually when something smells like a conflict of interest in
this case, it is a good idea to run away from it. Terry made sure he ran away
but too late, after he make up to maybe $24 million? How much he sold if for is
not our business? When, in the end, taxpayers paid or will pay for it, you bet
its our business. As for buck passing with Waddoups and others in the
legislature; do you wonder why we don't trust you? They are so busy picking each
others pockets in this entire deal that I am not sure anyone knows how much they
actually still have in their purses. Waddoups has his own mess with his property
company to deal with. Throw the bunch of them in jail and let them prove their
I can tell you for a fact that when Mr. Diehl's "term" on the UTA
Board had expired, he was shifted to represent another municipality so that the
board could keep him on another term. The fact that he and Bruce Jones (UTA
attorney) were in collusion on the Cottonwood Heights Tavaci project, and that
Greg Hughes was at the CH Council meetings in support of Terry during the
scandal should speak volumes. When board members cried as his departure
(reported by the Tribune), one only has to wonder why they would ask him to
recuse himself when an obvious conflict of interest was presented. The entire
board needs to be replaced with knowledgable citizens. Get rid of the
politicians, the developers and "conflicted" members!!
"thiscannotbetrue" As a conservative I agree with you
wholeheartedly. The nonsense that has been going on at UTA just seems to go on
and on and on.......I would add that I think ALL upper management
should also be replaced. Hire new attorneys also.The UTA
"board" (I use the term loosely)has done nothing except rubber stamp
whatever management wants. THATS WHY the salaries at management have gotten so
astronomical.UTA is too important for our transportation needs,
besides being so expensive tax wise that taxpayers should have to put up with
To properly do their jobs, UTA board members should avoid even the appearance of
impropriety. They have a fiduciary duty to the public.
Are we really surprised? UTA and UDOT own this state.
The State of Utah is never going to handle this issue properly. If any federal
dollars were allocated to the development of this project (and I believe that
was the case), someone needs to get the U.S. government involved. They seem to
be the only entity that is willing to prosecute the big stuff here in the State
GoodGuyGary | 10:09 a.m. Sept. 20, 2011 Houston, TXObviously someone
knows something is going on at a certain location and took benefit of the
information. In the business world, it is called insider trading. Even Martha
Stewart got sent to jail for like 150K. So, for 24M, I think some actions should
be taken.----------------Lots of assumptions in there. Martha
took advantage of information not available to the general public. If Mr.
Diehl's info was public, and he didn't act on it until it was public, no harm,
no foul.If he acted on information before it was public, then not
only the public, but anyone disadvantaged because of that knowledge, has a case.
I work for UTA as a driver. A lot of the criticism against UTA is very unfair.
Most bus riders are disabled, senior citizens, low income, minors, students,
and downtown workers who commute to and from the city. Many of our customers
are no position to own and operate automobiles. UTA provides service to the ski
resorts for both skiers and resort workers and our resort buses buses are often
filled to capacity. Every UTA rider is one less auto on the road which in turn
reduces congestion and pollution. I realize I am off track as this does not
pertain to the board member. I felt a need to defend UTA. UTA like all mass
transit agencies is subsidized. You can't have mass transit here or anywhere
without subsidies. Trax trains are usually full during peak hours. UTA provides
a valuable service to the community. Just anyone with a disability or a student
who can survive without owning an automobile thanks to UTA.
Not Surprised At All! But what is disturbing is that some of the employees
(both at top management level and some not so "top") usually have
known about what has been going on, but have been afraid to speak up(blow the
whistle) for fear of serious reprisals. This is happening, not just at UDOT or
UTA, but also in other departments in State Government. And when you question
the goings on, you are threatened with termination or worse! ONLY IN UTAH.
Just close the doors on this UTA boondoogle travesty and replace it with another
organized supervisory entity with people after extensive background checks. Then
run several aduits yearly of operating costs and personnel involved. Anyone even
questionable as to self serving should be terminated at once. Just write the
rules, regulations and operating mantra into company bylaws, anyone caught not
adhering to be released immediately.
Some one here needs to define the word made. To me that means a profit of a
certain amount above the cost of the property, improvements, etc. If he made 24
million in profits then there needs to be an investigation as to when the
property was purchased originally. Its all about the timing. Mr. Diehl really
sounds like a slick Wiley with no conscience. Isnt this the same guy who uses
loop holes to cheat our schools out of millions by avoiding property taxes? The
county should stop giving him or any developer building permits and business
licenses until they pay up in full. I dont have a problem with
anyone making money on land deals, even if its taxpayer money as long as they
dont use their position to influence that sale and a fair market value is paid.
Unfortunately this is not looking good.
Whatever happen to honesty and transparency with government officials? There
were times when an official would step down in a situation like this. Today
money and gain rules supreme. Thousands of people out of work, families
struggling to get by and this greedy man walks away with 24 million dollars and
the officials of UTA and UDOT says "no harm no foul". Terrible!!
I sure hope the investigation looks into Mr. Diehl's connections to local
political officials and how they also profited from his many land/business
deals. Of the approximately 488 square miles comprising Salt Lake County, I
wonder how Mr. Diehl knew which 5 acres to purchase?
We need mass transit. Without it, (as NeilT above alludes to)people with
disabilities, whether mental or physical, will not be able to get to work. That
means someone who is otherwise employable but can't drive, will be stuck at home
collecting welfare, social security disability, etc.I ride buses
3-4x per week and I think for the most part the drivers are excellent. The
drivers tell me suggestions THEY have made to management. But, it turns out if
its not managements idea, its NOT a good idea. All of us probably are familiar
with that scenario.Our elected officials, both mayors and state
legislature SHOULD "step up to the plate" to replace ALL of the upper
management at UTA and find a better way to appoint board members who aren't out
to make a buck at taxpayers expense.Elected officials can fix UTA if
they get the ambition. But I'm convinced UTA NEVER WILL solve their problems.
Hey he just wants to get rich enough to lower his taxes.
Story by John Daley....surprise surprise. For people who are highly educated I
am hoping you did your research first or after reading this article. It is
unfortunate that the news is so one-sided in Utah. The wealthy stimulate the
economy. If you aren't making the money somebody has to, right?