Search called off until Saturday because of rain
This police investigation has to be one of the worst. Bad reports, false
information. Reminds me of the boy who cried wolf.
"...No actual remains had been found as of Friday morning."Isn't that different than what these articles were saying Wed and Thur? I
thought they were reporting that they had remains, but had to determine from an
expert how old they were. Now there are no remains?Good grief. Has
anyone else noticed the story changing in the last couple of days, or is it just
me?It seems like they've got a hot trail either way. I hope so!
I have to agree, first it was remains found then now it's no remains found. I
would think that common sense would say that you would not say anything until
you did find remains. It sounds like the news is trying to create a story
before it happens.
Would the dogs have hits on human remains that have been burned?
"Remains" can be hair, teeth, bones, blood....this is not a botched
investigation. I think West Valley is being very thorough. Justice will be
done. I believe they are being so thorough so the Josh Powell AND his father
cannot get away with this heinous crime.
There are ways to accelerate the decomposition of a body. I seem to recall
something about the husband having burns on his hands after returning from his
mysterious, long-distance, rental car trip. So way to go dogs and their
Im concerned about the letter the husband sent through his sister where he said,
to the effect, that they would like more information. It almost feels like hes
taunting the police. What if her body was there but he has since managed to move
it? Wouldnt the dogs still sense remains there?
Unfortunately, it seems that either the news media or law enforcement ended up
sensationalizing this event to become a another misleading announcement of
over-reporting. The credibility of both the news outlets and law enforcement
takes a hit on this one, leading the public to wonder about the ability of both
to do their job. Somebody needs to take responsibility and be reprimanded
because this is a huge overstep from finding remains to supsect there are
Cadaver dogs are simply amazing. From what I have seen reported the
investigators are uncovering the site inch by inch. This might indicate that
they already believe the body has been burned or destroyed in some way. As of
yesterday they said they had dug something like a foot deep? The dogs can
indicate remains up to 12 feet so they might well have some digging left to go.
With seven dogs indicating there is a body, you can be sure there is a
body/body parts there. The fact that it is buried in a grave shows us right off
the bat that it's not a simple accident, such as a hunting accident. There
is every indication that whoever is there is a victim of foul play. Sounds to me
like the police are being very careful and taking their time, as they should.
It is possible that the guilty party removed the body after a quick burial,
hence was not concerned about it being found in that vicinity. The dogs still
pick up on the soil being affected by a body having been there.
"Remains" could mean body fluid left in the soil or other matter that
would be detected by cadaver dogs. I think the reports haven't been as specific
as we would like, but this is a much watched story so any clue is a scoop to a
reporter. If I were still a reporter, I'd be grabbing straws too. It is amazing
to me that the investigation has proceeded as well as it has. He/She who
commited a "perfect crime" may be found through obscure indications
that up-to-date forensics grasp. We hope!
I understand that in extremely cold climates, in dry climates and if the
chemical compsition of the burial site is just right, that bodies can be
naturally preserved for hundreds and even thousands of years. Bones even
longer. But how fast can a body naturally disintegrate if the conditions are
not optimum? Are there artifical means, other than fire, that can accelate the
process? Will they leave telltales behind? How long does a body last on average
in that area of the wild? I know the news outlets are sensationalizing
everything and the authorities are reluctant to reveal full details of the
investigation but it almost seems as though this is an investigation by hunch
and by guess. Are they are playing a game of battleship?
The investigation may be bad, but don't the reporters and editors have a duty to
check and verify the information they are printing?"We have a
hit" obviously meant our dogs have "hit" a spot, we have not
unearthed anything because of BLM protocol. When the Anthro gets here she'll go
through the dirt to let us know if it's historical or modern. From there we'll
get in the dirt and find out if their are remains or not. Because we have not
gone through the dirt, we don't know if in fact there are actual physical
tangible remains.Was that so hard?
I understand the need to sift the dirt for clues, but wouldn't it be just as
well to expedite the excavation of the alledged grave site and find out if there
is really a body buried there, then sift the dirt later for items to assist the
case, this way every flippin anthropologist in the state could be involved if
they cared to assist. Seems to me no bones, no body, no need to sift!Next question is if you know a storm is coming, why not erect a large tent
over the aledged grave site and keep working?Give the poor cox
family a break and get on with it!
It is remarkable to me that, under the circumstances, Chuck Cox is patient,
careful in his comments, and has not jumped to conclusions as some defensive,
hot-headed people may react. He deserves to be commended for his restraint in a
very trying circumstance that, with hope, few of us will ever encounter.
I think the reporting by the newspaper has been a little sloppy. Otherwise the
"dig site" would not have been refered to as the "dig
sight." Sorry to be so picky, but we have always held up the newspaper to
be the best example of grammar and english usag.
Oops, sorry to have omitted the "e" at the end of "usage."
I don't understand why the big media exposure about the "find" or the
previous search in Ely, Nevada. Maybe they want to put pressure on their
"person of interest" but that is the only thing that comes to mind
from these searches as they haven't uncovered anything. There's a lot of
difference between searching in Ely and searching in Juab County. Hopefully
they have a clue as to what they are doing. I can't help but wonder why it took
so long to determine they needed to do a search in these specific remote areas.
Can't they use ground penetrating radar?
What ever the cadaver dogs detected I hope that they will be able to determine
who they belong to. If it is her remains, I hope it can bring some closure and
than they hopefully can find out who was responsible for it. God bless the Cox
family and her sons.
First, I offer my condolences to the Powell family. I too have lost a loved one
and went through an eternal week waiting for closure. I can't imagine the
torture of this being extended for nearly two years. I hope you stay strong and
are comforted by those around you.Second, this story along with the
general public has gotten out of control. It seems we have a bloodthirsty
society that won't hesitate to claim Josh guilty and desire for his suffering.
Have we forgotten to honor our imperfect but still beautiful justice system? I
would rather let a guilty man walk than an innocent man thrown to the mob. Its a
rare and small price to pay for our free country. In addition, has
anyone actually done the math to know the probability of a body actually being
there? I did some rough calculations using Bayes Theorem and general cadaver dog
facts and found the probability of any body being there to be about 4.5%
Lastly, for those who feel unrest when a body is identified as someone
other than Susan, please stop and rejoice for the closure another hurt family
who can now suffer less.
Law enforcement investigators do not usually broadcast all of the evidence that
they have. The time that it is taking to study all that they find is well
spent. It's better that their conclusions are as airtight as possible before
revealing exactly what they do have. I for one do not want to see another OJ or
Casey Anthony situation happen here.
Could this be where a fire was burned and then the ashes turned over in the
soil? Would the cadaver dogs have been able to smell remains after that? And I
too recall Joshs hands were quite red and irritated (chemicals?) that he said,
after failing to hide them, were from the cold.
Another incredible waste of tax payer's money.
Law enforcement has a postive duty to check all suspected undocumented burial
sights. They have found items that are linked in someway to a decomposed body.
They may also link to stains on a rug for all we know.