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  • dhsalum Saint George, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 10:18 a.m.

    "CU would be opposed to any expansion that might bring about east and west divisions in the Pac-12."

    Hahaha of course they would

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 10:22 a.m.

    Is Big 12 option for BYU something that ever existed?

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 10:27 a.m.

    BYU just needs to be patient and wait for the right opportunity.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 10:42 a.m.

    I think BYU should join the Big 12, but only if they are able to get the conference to increase their departure fees and get all of the schools to agree with it. Verbal agreement will be fine. :)

  • Utes21 Salt Lake City, ut
    Sept. 12, 2011 11:06 a.m.

    Again not a fan of byu but keep options open, there is nothing wrong with independence right now. Dont jump into a sinking ship. Something will open up and they will get there chance.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Sept. 12, 2011 11:19 a.m.

    Did BYU ever "apply" for the PAC 12? I get the feeling BYU just sat around and waited for someone to invite them. I've never heard of any ambition on the part of Holmoe or any previous AD to get us into a better conference. Once again, our people are just content to rest on their laurels (read: backsides) and hope someone invites us to the big dance. Our AD has as much killer instinct as our offense...

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 11:20 a.m.

    I'm sure BYU and Tom Holmoe are just sitting back laughing about all this attention about such a non-topic. BYU has 8 years to play around with independence, or more if they can extend a good contract with ESPN or other TV partner. They'd be silly to dump the upside and join any conference. BYU's mind regarding BCS inclusion is a lot more broad than just the BCS game. They've gotten what they've needed and wanted with a move to independence in football and they'd be dumb to quit on it now. No conference, in its right mind, would allow BYU or any other player complete independence with their TV network, Texas is such a major player nationally and yet the Big12 is still meddling with the LHN, so why in the world would anyone assume BYU would get better treatment?

    BYU will stay like they are for at least a few years, hopefully that will give super conferences the chance to form and fail, then BYU will be well poised to even examine joining a conference again. But by then BYU might be even more in the driver's seat as an independent football school!

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 11:24 a.m.

    "CU would be opposed to any expansion that might bring about east and west divisions in the Pac-12."

    Utah should start showing some spunk and join Colorado in opposing a PAC 12 expansion that would put Utah in a PAC 16 Eastern division, severely restricting regular games against USC and UCLA, one of Utah's primary recruiting areas.

  • SLC BYU Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 11:35 a.m.

    Oklahoma largely wants out of the Big 12 charter because they dont want to deal with Texas having the Longhorn Network all to Texas. They know whatever league they are in they can never compete with that, and by applying to the Pac 12 they can force Texas to come along and give up that level of control. Oklahoma knows if they can make the move Texas will do whatever it takes to come along, and the Pac 12 presidents will do what they can to get Texas.

    As for BYU if the Big 12 implodes, any deals are off and they will remain an independent. As additional super-conferences further evolve over the next 2-3 years BYU will try and hook up with one (NEVER the Pac 16 who will NEVER accept a faith based school). But if that doesnt work for them, and the NCAA follows through with creating a third sub-classification of division 1 football, BYU could decide to drop their program and just fall back on the WCC sponsored teams. When Bronco Mendenhall men tions the next 2-3 years being critical for BYU, THIS is what e means!

  • R.Burgundy Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 11:40 a.m.

    Oklahoma is bluffing! They want the other members of the BIG 12 to pony up more money for them or they want ESPN to offer a contract for the sooner network. The PAC 12 will never take Oklahoma St with their academics, not going to happen.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 11:43 a.m.

    4 superconferences without byu.

    It's coming.

    And byu football will shortly be going away.

    LOL

  • SLC BYU Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 11:46 a.m.

    @eastcoastcoug: It actually has been the ambition of Tom Holmoes two immediate predecessors to try and get into a more powerful league, however this has run into political issues with a few of the hierarchy of the LDS Church who have been concerned about the possible impacts on programs at Utah and Utah State as well as at least 2 of the Pac 12 presidents (Stanford & Cal-Berkley) not wanting a faith based institution that has only has 25 PhD level programs in its academic line-up.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 11:46 a.m.

    Are byu fans prepared for life with byu football being the equivalent of San Jose State?

    I am!

    Recruting? Gone
    Chance for BCS game? gone
    Chance for BCS title? gone
    Coaches? Gone
    Chance to ever join big leagues? Gone

    Loving it!

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Sept. 12, 2011 11:53 a.m.

    Dear Mrs. B in SLC, what will you do with your time when there is no BYU football to talk about? Congrats on getting first on so many blogs this past week. How did you do it??

  • TrollPolice Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 11:58 a.m.

    SLC BYU hating Fan

    Don't you ever get tired of posting the same "BYU should just drop football" drivel?

    Chris B

    Your sports fan life would lose all meaning without having BYU around to hate.

  • Big Red '93 The High Plains of, Texas
    Sept. 12, 2011 11:59 a.m.

    and.. Chris B? Gone. What else does he live for that BYU football?

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 12:01 p.m.

    The same greed for power and $$$ that is driving conference expansion will eventually rip the so-called "super-conferences" apart.

  • CDog79 SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 12:08 p.m.

    @SLC BYU Fan.

    Seriously, Dude, where do you get this garbage?

    You go around on this site (and other sites) claiming that certain powerful members of the Mormon hierarchy want to kill BYU football and BYU sports in general. Who are your sources for this besides yourself? I'm confident the Mormon leadership wants BYU football to survive and they hope it thrives. They use sports as a tool to spread their faith. They aren't dumb enough to ax a program that provides a window to promote their church. Don't kid yourself into believing otherwise.

    I don't root for BYU by any means. I'm a Utah fan and I hope Utes beat the Cougars by a touchdown or two on Saturday. But I don't believe that anyone in the Mormon hierarchy is going to pull the plug on sports down there.

    Stop making these bogus claims until you can actually back them up with hard evidence.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Sept. 12, 2011 12:18 p.m.

    I doubt Texas and Oklahoma are coming to the PAC-12. Texas would have to give up too much. It would be great for Utah to be able to recruit in both the Southern California area as well as Texas/Oklahoma. There definitely would be more revenue. But do we really want this? I think most people in the PAC-12 feel like we've got a good thing going. Why bring in a drama queen like Texas to mess things up? I suspect if anything happens it will just be Oklahoma. Maybe Texas will hold together the remaining BIG-12 schools. I've heard that referred to as the "Texas and the Seven Dwarfs" Conference.

  • HuskyBark Seattle, WA
    Sept. 12, 2011 12:20 p.m.

    BYU, it would be dumb for you to join the Big 12. As an independent, you have the cards in your hands. Why join a conference that will be gone in just a few years. I have been watching the football seen change accross America, and I am predicting that the powerhouse football programs will all go independent while smaller teams will have to stay in conferences due to low incomes.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 12:35 p.m.

    SLCBYUfan: I want to reiterate others comments, where in the world do you come up with your comments that the brethren want to do away with BYU football? You have no facts to prove it. I have been a big fan of BYU football for over 50 yrs and have never heard anything that would support your bogus comments. If fact Vai Seikahema made reference a few months ago that would prove your statements false. Vai said he has friends among the hierarchy of the church that said BYU football (sports) in second only to the full time missionary program in affectiveness in getting the message of the restored gospel out to the people. The biggest and most important thing is giving as many people as possible a chance to hear the message of the restored gospel and whatever tools help make that happen is what will be used. From my perspective and all I can hear, BYU football/baskeball/sports is one of the best tools available and will be used the best it can be. Sports in and of itself is not all that important, it is good entertainment but as a tool for spreadingthegospel itsGreat.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 12:46 p.m.

    The football program will continue to support itself and many other sports programs at BYU, why would anyone care to get rid of it? It's not a liability.

  • Band of Sisters RIVERTON, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 1:04 p.m.

    You should stop being such a bully, Chris B. Besides, we need you cheering for our Utes, and not spending your energy on being so mean to BYU. Positive energy for the Utes is so important. Please contribute.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 1:12 p.m.

    ESPN (BYU's partner) Big 12 Power Rankings: Week 3
    Plus future member BYU

    1. Oklahoma
    2. Oklahoma State
    3. Texas A&M
    4. Baylor
    5. Texas

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 12, 2011 1:21 p.m.

    The comments about the LDS heirarchy wanting to drop sports at BYU is simply the pipe dream of a BYU hater, despite his equally deceptive moniker.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 1:35 p.m.

    Oddly cut off. The rest of the rankings are: 6. Missouri, probably BYU next, 7. Iowa State, 8. Texas Tech, 9. Kansas, 10. Kansas State.

    Join the Big12, be on TV less, see recruiting drop, finish middle of the pack.

    Stay independent!

  • RedUte MAPLE VALLEY, WA
    Sept. 12, 2011 1:37 p.m.

    Long live Chris B! Go Utes

  • flynn is the coolest Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 1:56 p.m.

    Chris B | 11:43 a.m. Sept. 12, 2011
    Salt Lake City, UT

    "4 superconferences without byu.
    It's coming. And byu football will shortly be going away."

    The day BYU abandons football is the day you have time to look for a job.

  • Pac12Proud SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 2:06 p.m.

    "If fact Vai Seikahema made reference a few months ago that would prove your statements false. Vai said he has friends among the hierarchy of the church that said BYU football (sports) in second only to the full time missionary program in affectiveness in getting the message of the restored gospel out to the people."

    Right. As I watch people call each other names, make degrading and disparaging remarks about one another, attack one another after a game (byu 2009), and generally act like infantile imbeciles in the name of SPORTS...a good ol' fashioned gospel message is the first thing that comes to my mind.

    Sports bringing people to Christ?? Sorry...I'm not buying it.

  • PACute_ Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 12, 2011 2:50 p.m.

    Pac12Proud

    Even though the gospel is perfect, not everyone lives it perfectly.

    The church and BYU didn't spend the last year hyping BYU sports on BYUtv with the intent of abandoning BYU sports.

    btw - if you want to see people acting like infantile imbeciles in the name of sports, attend any Utah football game in RES. As a Utah alum and fan, it's becoming more and more embarrassing to attend Utah football games.

  • stgjazzfan Saint George, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 3:19 p.m.

    Okay I will try again..

    When I was a kid I would go to Ute football games with my Dad. This was when there was wood bleachers in Rice Stadium. I would sit with my Dad during the game with many of the Ute fans Smoking around me, I could hardly breath(I have asma) or see anything because of my watering eyes. Then there was the new vocabulary I was learning, every time they were loosing. But of course there was the Beer showers, when ever the Utes made a 1st down, wich of course did't happen that often. looking back it is easy to see why I'm now a loyal and proud BYU fan, allways and forever..

  • Pac12Proud SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 3:45 p.m.

    PACute_ | 2:50 p.m. Sept. 12, 2011
    I am not advocating that byu abandon sports. I am merely pointing out that sports should not be construed as the face of the church I belong to. Sports do not bring out the "best" in anyone including byu fans who should reflect the values byu sports ostensibly represent. For the record, I've sat through bowl games with byu fans and I've seen and heard despicable behavior toward fans of opposing team. I am truly embarrassed for all concerned.

    Moreover, I did not assert people are perfect - just read these message boards (byu fan and non-byu fan alike). Based on my experience, spectators behave similarly at sporting events...good and bad behavior from Mormon and non-Mormon spectators.

    Sports = missionary work?? Again, PACute...I'm just not buying it.

    Further, I've never heard an Apostle make the claim that Seikahema is purported to have heard from his buddies (see the post above).

  • bballjunkie Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 3:47 p.m.

    Chris B

    BYU will never feel as unwanted as you do at home! LOL

  • SunnyWindy Goshen, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 4:07 p.m.

    Why would a team like Texas really want to belong to a conference? $300 million from ESPN. It would appear that the jealousy of small market schools like Oklahoma are afraid. They will have to band together, eventually joining with Wyoming and Colorado St. A few months ago, I sat next to an ND assistant coach and he told me that two driving forces in BYU going independent we both ND & Texas. They both helped work out the agreement with ESPN for BYU. Apparently Texas has been planning independence for a while, just wanting to get all of its ducks in a row. Also note they both quickly committed to BYU after BYU declared independence. Texas has been planning its own Independence for a while. Why shouldn't they, they can command a lot higher profits by themselves and have the flexibility to do as they choose. Don't you think USC would like to have this? What about Florida? Sure the Big 12 and Oklahoma make good stories, but Texas doesn't need them anymore.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 4:14 p.m.

    @pac12proud

    Ah so we have another utah "fan" trying to convince us that BYU athletics is an embarrassment to the church. The truth is you are one of those conflicted utah "fans", the Mormon ones, that cannot reconcile your hate for the flag ship university of your faith with the fact that it does represent your faith. So instead of just calling it what it is, hate for an institution of your faith, you pretend that it is really all about the fans of the school.

    Of course BYU fans are among the most polite and well bahved fans of any school in the country, any honest person will admit that, but it is easier for utah "fans" like yourself to try and pretend you hate the fans because they are "arrogant", or "self righteous" or some other false and derogatory description than it is to simply hate an actual church institution.

    How pitiful.

  • HuskyBark Seattle, WA
    Sept. 12, 2011 4:26 p.m.

    @sunnywindy

    That is exactly what I have been saying.

    Texas will start the domino effect for schools such as; Ohio State, Michigan, Oklahoma, etc.

  • fan32 St. George, Utah
    Sept. 12, 2011 4:28 p.m.

    Remember when BYU had an aggressive AD in Felberg.I think we would be right where we want to be if he would have remained. Now they have Holmoe. Wait till the Marriot center is half full this year because of the pathetic home basketball schedule. Wait till LES gets less than 50000 fans because poor home schedule. Holmoe should be living in the big 12 headquarters trying to sell BYU and telling Oklahoma to stay put. If Utah wins Saturday, mark the season over for BYU. Nothing more to play for the entire year. They should be doing everything they can to hold the big 12 together and sell BYU. It is just like the overhyped offense, you just know it isn't happening.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Sept. 12, 2011 4:30 p.m.

    Wow! Oklahoma apparently decided that their own TV network wasn't going to fly very high, so they opted to join the Pac pack. Ack, ack, ack!

    Dominoes are falling!

    Now, the only chance the Big XII has in remaining a conference is to boldly go into superconference size: 14 at minimum. Losing Oklahoma, though, might leave the conference too weak to float, even at that number.

    For example, who could they cull to get there? It'd have to be BCS teams, not mid-major promotions (other than maybe BYU). Losing 3 they'd need 7.

    Possible BCS teams:

    - Cincinnati (Big East)
    - Louisville (Big East)
    - Maryland (ACC)
    - Notre Dame (unlikely, but a saviour!)
    - Pittsburgh (Big East)
    - Syracuse (Big East)
    - Virginia (ACC)
    - Virginia Tech (ACC)
    - Wake Forest (ACC)
    - West Virginia (Big East)

    Doesn't look promising. Pretty stetched-out, but so's Oklahoma's distance from the Pac-12 teams. Maybe distance is no longer an issue because of greater riches?

    Looks like BYU's independence run could last awhile, unless the Big XII expands fast and includes BYU. There isn't any other BCS conference that'd take the Y.

    Texas' mentioned "options" might very well include independence, which would be good for BYU.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 4:39 p.m.

    BYU may be looking at the beginning of the end of NCAA competition. If Texas and OU bolt to the Pac 12 then the rest of the Big12 would be absorbed into the Big East and SEC. BYU is really hanging out there on a limb as an independent and almost has to have a perfect season to survive since they get no money from a conference as Utah does. My guess is BYU is going to find it harder and harder to compete each year since they probably aren't going to go to any major bowl this year and most likely the same next year. Recruiting will dry up along with the money and in 5 years my prediction football will be over at the Y. If I am a high school senior I am NOT looking at BYU next year ... not until the dust settles.

  • SamoanYfan WEST JORDAN, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 4:39 p.m.

    Why do BYU haters hope BYU athletics dissolve? Seriously? You are willing to give up DECADES of rivalry just because you hate them THAT much!? Who you gonna hate on then? Utah State? And then eventually you'll wish for there demise too? Maybe if you're lucky all your future rivals will disappear and then you'll eventually be alone. Then that way you're annual Red and White game can be counted as the National championship game. Then its just a matter of who's better, Red or White.

    @Chris B. Please elaborate why you hate BYU so much as to want their athletics to discontinue? It doesn't make sense at all. What will you do in you life if you don't have BYU to bash on? I just created an account and this is the first comment ever I've made just so I can ask that question.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Sept. 12, 2011 4:41 p.m.

    Whether Texas relinquishes its TLN in order to get into the Pac group really depends on how successful it's either being or promises to be. They've been eyeing independence for awhile, and Oklahoma's decision might be because they've also known that.

    Might even be the genesis of Nebraska's and Texas A&M's jumping of the ship.

    Independence for BYU just might have a silver lining, after all.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Sept. 12, 2011 4:51 p.m.

    If there are four conferences with 16 teams each, some very good football teams will be left out. If there are only four super conferences, the next conference to fall will be the Big East. If the Big East goes, TCU will likely not find a home in a super conference.

    Regardless of where your loyalties lie, super conferences would create a super injustice excluding teams like Boise State, TCU and BYU (perennial top 25 teams) and including teams that haven't snift the Top 25 for many years like Washington State, Indiana, Northwestern and Vanderbilt.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 4:54 p.m.

    I get the feeling that Utah is set for life and BYU's days are numbered. Remember it was BYU that dropped track and field, softball, swimming, and other sports just last year and I suspect that is only the beginning. The NCAA is all about $$$ these days and those schools fortunate enough to align themselves with the Pac 12 or the SEC etc... are set while those who are stumbling around trying to find their way ...like BYU .. are going find out that the money soon dries up and along with it recruiting. Independence is impossible - except for a select few schools (military schools and ND). I just don't think this independent thing is a long term solution and now that the BIG 12 is dissolving BYU has no place to go. The Pac 12 will NEVER take the Y due to political and religious issues so it will be interesting to see what the landscape looks like in 5 years.

  • Pac12Proud SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 4:58 p.m.

    Duckhunter | 4:14 p.m. Sept. 12, 2011

    "Ah so we have another utah "fan" trying to convince us that BYU athletics is an embarrassment to the church."

    Nope, I didn't say that. I said that sports is not a moniker for missionary work and bringing people to Christ. Your post is a great example of what sports does to people...Mormon and non-Mormon alike.

  • GoGetter Sandy, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 5:13 p.m.

    Not a BYU fan, but I think they jumped ship too early last time and are now realizing many consequences. They should just take a bit of ime and analyze it from every aspect. It could be a good move, or it could ruin their program. They better be careful.

    But then again, has BYU ever released a statement showing interest in a move to the Big 12? Why are we speculating so much?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 5:16 p.m.

    So another day and another spin on this "issue". It seems as if every single day brings us another "this is how it is going" or else "this is what is really happening" story.

    I realize it is news but the truth is it has become a real boor. Just like a cheating spouse none of these institutions can ever be trusted. Maybe we get 16 team super conferences but why would we believe that those would last? Why would anyone believe that all of these self important institutions will all of a sudden become satisfied, and loyal, simply by aligning with a bunch of other falsely self important institutions?

    The fact is none of them can really get along. It won't matter what conference they are in and if they do go to 16 team conferences those will eventually fall apart as well because they will all grow tired of each other again.

  • B Logan, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 5:16 p.m.

    @Chris B

    You need to stick to the political topics. You make no sense here. It must KILL you whenever BYU beats Utah. I must just eat you alive. That's the only reason I can think of as to why you would want BYU to go away.

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    Sept. 12, 2011 5:41 p.m.

    How about all of the BYU graduates who wish BYU would drop football? There are more than you think!

    Some musings:

    They are going to get caught in the shuffle and left without a superconference invite (Eastern conferences won't want to travel). The Pac-12 option was never there, due to the academic research issues and Sunday play for other sports. The B1G won't take them over the academic issues. Do they really want to play in an SEC with all that travel for the other programs? (And would the SEC want to take them?) Big East or ACC? Not happening.

    BYU's only play is to stay independent as long as they can and hope for the best. I think that as college athletics becomes more and more monetized, BYU will drop out of it (especially if universities start paying players). Remember, BYU killed off a perfectly good program at Ricks.

    BYU gets much more attention from its academic programs than they do from athletic programs. Years ago Elders Holland and Oaks pushed the idea of BYU being the Harvard of the West -- you don't need football to do that.

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    Sept. 12, 2011 5:42 p.m.

    (I mean, the Church killed off the Ricks program, not BYU.)

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 6:25 p.m.

    If the Big XII conference does fall apart Texas should go the indy route with BYU and Notre Dame rather than humble themselves before the PAC 12. Frankly, going independent seems to be the only option for the Longhorns if the other teams leave simply because they have to give up so much just to stay in a conference.

    From the Pac12 perspective I wonder if adding teams means they have to redo last year's historic contract. From a competitive standpoint, this would be a win-win for the PAC12, but not so for money.

  • Duh west jordan, ut
    Sept. 12, 2011 6:59 p.m.

    I just love to see all the geniuses who think they know exactly what is going to happen. Makes me laugh every time to see the stupdity that gets posted. Just gotta love that we can all hide behind some bogus name and spout off hate and discontent.

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 6:59 p.m.

    Duckhunter | 5:16 p.m. Sept. 12, 2011
    Highland, UT

    Need a tissue?

    LOL

  • hohum Saint George, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 7:00 p.m.

    Chris B.

    Get one right regarding the y. Bring up your USC/u predictions, BYU/Texas. That is about as right as you get. Also, bcs gone in two, mark it down, law won't allow it.

  • Hawkyo SYRACUSE, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 8:42 p.m.

    I seriously doubt that super conferences will succeed. The 16 team WAC was a failure, and I don't think throwing BCS type money at the problems that huge conferences would create will solve anything. I think it's more likely that a conglomerate of independent schools, (ND TX BYU NAVY ARMY etc.) will emerge in a new era for college football. Either the NCAA or the BCS or both will not survive. The corruption, is already tarnishing any winning program. I only hope that football survives, and I'm not talking about crybaby millionaire football.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Sept. 12, 2011 8:48 p.m.

    Baylor's gotta be bangin' their heads on the wall. They can't sue all of'em. They know if the Big XII disappears, they're stuck with aligning themselves with their old SWC foes in the WAC or MWC, of all places!

    Heh.

    Bet Texas goes the indy route before kowtowing to the Pac bunch.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 8:59 p.m.

    @carnak

    To the contrary I am very much enjoying watching utah "fans" like yourself expose themselves daily on these boards as hypocrites and obsessed haters. I encourage you to continue.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Sept. 12, 2011 9:02 p.m.

    It is too funny watching BYU fan proudly tout their cute little deal with ESPN and chest pounding but it was really to compensate for your desperate need to be part of a big boy conference.

    Wake up BYU fan, if the Big 10/9/12 stays together, they will bring on Texas schools, the politicians will make sure of that. You really think the Big 12 wanted Baylor last time they expanded? Hello Houston, Rice, TCU and SMU.

  • canco Sandy, Utah
    Sept. 12, 2011 9:30 p.m.

    If Oklahoma and Oklahoma State exit the Big 12 for the PAC 10 it will be a disaster for them and their fans. They will be playing all their games west of the Rockies (except Colorado) and their fans will be unhappy. Super conferences may well form, but they will eventually collapse just like the old 16 team WAC. The BIG 12 would do well to invite BYU and Boise State to replace the Oklahoma schools and Air Force to replace Texas A & M. The Big 12 should have been proactive by expanding last year instead of waiting. They need to expand NOW before it's too late.

  • zeba North Ogden, UT
    Sept. 12, 2011 10:21 p.m.

    The PAC12 does not need OU or OK St. All that would do is take money away from the current schools, and could move Utah out of the S. Cal division. Texas needs to split Big 12 money evenly or go independent. TCU could take A&M's spot. Then the Big 12 should strongly recruit Louisville, and then take another big market school like Houston. BYU should probably stay independent, but they should try to secure long term agreements with the other indy's (ND, Navy, and Army), and then have at least half of their games against BCS teams.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Sept. 12, 2011 10:40 p.m.

    This Big 12 situation is a perfect example of how the greed of Texas is coming back to bite them. If they were like the PAC 12 or SEC, they would secure a deal for ALL the teams in their conference.

    BTW BYU fan, the MWC sharing money from our 2 BCS wins with you is a form of socialism that paid for your coach, live it and love it because you are a recipient of it. You are welcome.

  • Cougars - Wise Older Brothers Anaheim, CA
    Sept. 12, 2011 10:47 p.m.

    JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt

    It's hillarious watching jealous Utah fans trying to minimize the Utes only playing on ESPN once this season (courtesy of their big brothers), while the team the Utes supposedly left behind will have a least 10 games on the worldwide leader in sports.

  • Cabinfever Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 12, 2011 11:00 p.m.

    Always love to see all the Ute fans on here spouting off. Something you don't much see Y fans doing on the hate-filled Tribune boards. Nice to see BYU Football is living rent free in their heads!

    Super conferences will not work long term because of BIG egos and BIG dollars! Texas has no interest in sharing with the likes of Oregon or USC. The egos$$ are too big on both sides for a comfy fit and if they try PAC16, it wouldn't last.

    Independence would be much preferred by the big egos$$ and it would make for a real nice fit for BYU Football to play ND, TX, FL, etc. every year as indy's.

    Joining any conference would be a step into the past! I really like where BYU is at!

  • PAC 12 loves U Sandy, Utah
    Sept. 12, 2011 11:11 p.m.

    @ Cougars - Foolish Little Brothers

    "It's hillarious watching jealous Utah fans trying to minimize the Utes only playing on ESPN once this season (courtesy of their big brothers), while the team the Utes supposedly left behind will have a least 10 games on the worldwide leader in sports."

    I feel bad for byu's season ticket holders paying tons of money to watch WAC teams. Lucky for them they get to see one marquee BCS team come to Provo (courtesy of their big brother Utah).

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Sept. 12, 2011 11:39 p.m.

    PAC 12 clueless U

    Everyone knows the WAC teams on this year's BYU schedule are merely a temporary fix. BYU has been scheduling elite teams like Notre Dame, Texas, Penn State, Florida State, Miami, and USC for decades and you'll see many of those teams on future BYU schedules.

    Utah, for all their talk, is incapable of getting truly elite teams like Notre Dame and Texas to visit RES.

    By the way, marquee teams don't end up on Versus for their inaugural PAC 12 game.

  • Terry Sandy, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 12:02 a.m.

    Texas does not want to go to the Pac 12, they have it too good in the Big 12 and don't want to lose their new Longhorn TV network! Insider reports show that most Pac 12 presidents and AD's don't want to rock the boat with new members as they are happy with their huge record breaking TV contract and don't want to split it up for new mouths to feed, especially without Texas. Others are greatly opposed to splitting up into a Western league and an Eastern league as they will no longer get to play in Southern Cali to get those high school recruits! Oklahoma can apply all they want, they are stuck in the Big 12 for now, so while anything can happen, this is still BYU's call to make on joining the Big 12 after Oklahoma's false threats get them some other concessions in the Big 12.

    Even if they did lose OK and OK St. to the Pac 14, if Texas stays as reported, it is still viable conference with the likes of BYU, Air Force, TCU, Louisville, Pittsburg or Houston as replacements.

  • bobco SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 2:08 a.m.

    Utah might be the only BCS league team (not marquee) visiting RES this year, but it is only the third best team coming in behind Utah State and UCF.

    I think BYU is in a good position just waiting to see how things go. Money is certainly not an issue, so lets just sit back and pick our spot and hopefully make the best decision for the future.

  • bobco SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 2:11 a.m.

    *LES

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Sept. 13, 2011 7:09 a.m.

    Would love to see Big 12 stay intact by adding Air Force, BYU and either TCU or Boise State. Only BYU has as many fans as Texas A&M, but this would elevate the conference from a strength standpoint, solidify the conference with 12 schools, and bring back the conference championship game.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 8:31 a.m.

    @johnnnyjingleheimer

    "BTW BYU fan, the MWC sharing money from our 2 BCS wins with you is a form of socialism that paid for your coach, live it and love it because you are a recipient of it."

    Uh jingly...that amounted to a few hundred thousand dollars. utah "fans" like yourself like to pretend every school got millions of dollars from those bcs appearances. They didn't. They got a few hundred thousand each.

    BYU's coaches are paid for through an endowment that was set up by big BYU boosters. The few hundred thousand they got from utah's bowl games is a meer pittance and is pretty much nothing compared to the millions and millions BYU's meer presence in both the wac and the mtn west brought to every single other school over the years as BYU was those conferences only real nationaly marketable brand.

    But of course utah "fans" like yourself will keep trying to pretend utah brought much value to anyone else. They didn't.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Sept. 13, 2011 9:53 a.m.

    If the Pac-12 doesn't accept the Oklahomas, then the Big XII won't implode. Too quickly, anyway.

    However, Scott (commissioner of the Pac-12) said they aren't looking to expand BUT aren't excluding it, either. Sounds like he's still hoping to get both the Oklahomas and Texas's like he tried to do a year ago. He's just sitting back and waiting to see how it falls out with Texas.

    Scott knows that if he doesn't get the Big XII teams he wants, when the SEC expands to 14 or 16 (the addition of A&M will cause certainly that), the Big Ten might need to expand (maybe getting the Oklahomas), leaving the Pac-12 in a bad spot for expanding. They'd get stuck with either the Kansas's or having to promote western mid-majors to grow.

    Scott's proactive, so he won't pass up on taking the Oklahomas.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Sept. 13, 2011 9:57 a.m.

    For those of you posting about the Big XII surviving by adding the likes of Boise State, Houston, TCU, or SMU, that WON'T happen. Promoting a bunch of mid-majors only waters down the BCS standing, not enhancing it by enlarging its numbers. Besides, Texas wouldn't allow other Texas-based schools into the conference---that'd water down their recruiting base advantage.

    The only way the Big XII expands, no matter who they lose, is to add other BCS schools from the Big East and ACC, and to add BYU, the only mid-major left with enough national following to make it viable.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Sept. 13, 2011 10:18 a.m.

    TheSportsAuthority said:

    "PAC 12 clueless U

    Everyone knows the WAC teams on this year's BYU schedule are merely a temporary fix. BYU has been scheduling elite teams like Notre Dame, Texas, Penn State, Florida State, Miami, and USC for decades and you'll see many of those teams on future BYU schedules.

    Utah, for all their talk, is incapable of getting truly elite teams like Notre Dame and Texas to visit RES.

    By the way, marquee teams don't end up on Versus for their inaugural PAC 12 game."

    Uhh perhaps BYU should learn how to beat elite teams first. They just lost to Texas, one of the schools you just listed.

    It does not matter how many times BYU is on ESPN. They are on the outside looking in. Utah is in a better position, already part of a BCS conference.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Sept. 13, 2011 12:48 p.m.

    Doesn't matter. The invite never came.
    Many believe that BYU turned down many conference invites in the past because they wanted to stay with the U.
    What is the excuse now? Independence is supreme just ask Notre Dame?
    Even though, Notre Dame has a BCS deal?

  • TXBYUFAN Spring, TX
    Sept. 13, 2011 5:07 p.m.

    I've seen others ask this, but Ute fans never answer it. Why do some Ute fans feel the necessity to denigrate BYU and their fans? I simply don't understand it. I've lived in Texas nearly all my life. I spent a few years in Provo while I went to school. I never gave the U much thought while I was there other than during football and basketball games. I grew up a Longhorn fan and had friends that were A&M fans. I see Longhorn and Aggie fans get along all the time. They have a rivalry, but not a hatred. While I'd be naive to say there are no BYU fans that hate Utah fans, I feel fairly confident that the hatred is almost all one-way. I really just don't understand the hatred.

  • WallyD North Salt Lake, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 10:57 a.m.

    I agree with many of the comments. BYU has time on our side. We aren't in a hurry, let's make sure we get a great deal.

    As for Oklahoma State, why would anybody want them. They have some decent sports, but not even great. They have one old alumnus that givves them great money.

    To T. Boone Pickens: Where is Stillwater, OK?

  • southerncougar Knoxville, TN
    Sept. 14, 2011 11:22 a.m.

    I love how the CU president is against expansion. What is funny is that with OU, OSU and others to follow, Colorado would be the red headed step child again for the PAC 16.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Sept. 15, 2011 11:24 a.m.

    TXBYUFAN:

    I answered your question, but you'll have to ask the moderators what it said.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Sept. 15, 2011 1:19 p.m.

    TXBYUFAN:

    ...either that, or go ask that question over on one of the Tribune's articles. They have a lot healthier respect for the 1st Amendment over there.

  • UGradBYUfan Snowflake, AZ
    Sept. 16, 2011 1:35 p.m.

    PACute_@ 2:50 p.m. "btw - if you want to see people acting like infantile imbeciles in the name of sports, attend any Utah football game in RES. As a Utah alum and fan, it's becoming more and more embarrassing to attend Utah football games."

    I couldn't agree with you more! I went to a number of Ute games at the RES, and I won't go back again.