"CU would be opposed to any expansion that might bring about east and west
divisions in the Pac-12."Hahaha of course they would
Is Big 12 option for BYU something that ever existed?
BYU just needs to be patient and wait for the right opportunity.
I think BYU should join the Big 12, but only if they are able to get the
conference to increase their departure fees and get all of the schools to agree
with it. Verbal agreement will be fine. :)
Again not a fan of byu but keep options open, there is nothing wrong with
independence right now. Dont jump into a sinking ship. Something will open up
and they will get there chance.
Did BYU ever "apply" for the PAC 12? I get the feeling BYU just sat
around and waited for someone to invite them. I've never heard of any ambition
on the part of Holmoe or any previous AD to get us into a better conference.
Once again, our people are just content to rest on their laurels (read:
backsides) and hope someone invites us to the big dance. Our AD has as much
killer instinct as our offense...
I'm sure BYU and Tom Holmoe are just sitting back laughing about all this
attention about such a non-topic. BYU has 8 years to play around with
independence, or more if they can extend a good contract with ESPN or other TV
partner. They'd be silly to dump the upside and join any conference. BYU's
mind regarding BCS inclusion is a lot more broad than just the BCS game.
They've gotten what they've needed and wanted with a move to independence in
football and they'd be dumb to quit on it now. No conference, in its right
mind, would allow BYU or any other player complete independence with their TV
network, Texas is such a major player nationally and yet the Big12 is still
meddling with the LHN, so why in the world would anyone assume BYU would get
better treatment?BYU will stay like they are for at least a few
years, hopefully that will give super conferences the chance to form and fail,
then BYU will be well poised to even examine joining a conference again. But by
then BYU might be even more in the driver's seat as an independent football
"CU would be opposed to any expansion that might bring about east and west
divisions in the Pac-12."Utah should start showing some spunk
and join Colorado in opposing a PAC 12 expansion that would put Utah in a PAC 16
Eastern division, severely restricting regular games against USC and UCLA, one
of Utah's primary recruiting areas.
Oklahoma largely wants out of the Big 12 charter because they dont want to deal
with Texas having the Longhorn Network all to Texas. They know whatever league
they are in they can never compete with that, and by applying to the Pac 12 they
can force Texas to come along and give up that level of control. Oklahoma knows
if they can make the move Texas will do whatever it takes to come along, and the
Pac 12 presidents will do what they can to get Texas.As for BYU if
the Big 12 implodes, any deals are off and they will remain an independent. As
additional super-conferences further evolve over the next 2-3 years BYU will try
and hook up with one (NEVER the Pac 16 who will NEVER accept a faith based
school). But if that doesnt work for them, and the NCAA follows through with
creating a third sub-classification of division 1 football, BYU could decide to
drop their program and just fall back on the WCC sponsored teams. When Bronco
Mendenhall men tions the next 2-3 years being critical for BYU, THIS is what e
Oklahoma is bluffing! They want the other members of the BIG 12 to pony up more
money for them or they want ESPN to offer a contract for the sooner network.
The PAC 12 will never take Oklahoma St with their academics, not going to
4 superconferences without byu.It's coming.And byu
football will shortly be going away.LOL
@eastcoastcoug: It actually has been the ambition of Tom Holmoes two immediate
predecessors to try and get into a more powerful league, however this has run
into political issues with a few of the hierarchy of the LDS Church who have
been concerned about the possible impacts on programs at Utah and Utah State as
well as at least 2 of the Pac 12 presidents (Stanford & Cal-Berkley) not
wanting a faith based institution that has only has 25 PhD level programs in its
Are byu fans prepared for life with byu football being the equivalent of San
Jose State?I am!Recruting? GoneChance for BCS
game? goneChance for BCS title? goneCoaches? GoneChance to
ever join big leagues? GoneLoving it!
Dear Mrs. B in SLC, what will you do with your time when there is no BYU
football to talk about? Congrats on getting first on so many blogs this past
week. How did you do it??
SLC BYU hating FanDon't you ever get tired of posting the same
"BYU should just drop football" drivel?Chris BYour sports fan life would lose all meaning without having BYU around to hate.
and.. Chris B? Gone. What else does he live for that BYU football?
The same greed for power and $$$ that is driving conference expansion will
eventually rip the so-called "super-conferences" apart.
@SLC BYU Fan. Seriously, Dude, where do you get this garbage? You go around on this site (and other sites) claiming that certain
powerful members of the Mormon hierarchy want to kill BYU football and BYU
sports in general. Who are your sources for this besides yourself? I'm confident
the Mormon leadership wants BYU football to survive and they hope it thrives.
They use sports as a tool to spread their faith. They aren't dumb enough to ax a
program that provides a window to promote their church. Don't kid yourself into
believing otherwise.I don't root for BYU by any means. I'm a Utah
fan and I hope Utes beat the Cougars by a touchdown or two on Saturday. But I
don't believe that anyone in the Mormon hierarchy is going to pull the plug on
sports down there. Stop making these bogus claims until you can
actually back them up with hard evidence.
I doubt Texas and Oklahoma are coming to the PAC-12. Texas would have to give
up too much. It would be great for Utah to be able to recruit in both the
Southern California area as well as Texas/Oklahoma. There definitely would be
more revenue. But do we really want this? I think most people in the PAC-12 feel
like we've got a good thing going. Why bring in a drama queen like Texas to
mess things up? I suspect if anything happens it will just be Oklahoma. Maybe
Texas will hold together the remaining BIG-12 schools. I've heard that referred
to as the "Texas and the Seven Dwarfs" Conference.
BYU, it would be dumb for you to join the Big 12. As an independent, you have
the cards in your hands. Why join a conference that will be gone in just a few
years. I have been watching the football seen change accross America, and I am
predicting that the powerhouse football programs will all go independent while
smaller teams will have to stay in conferences due to low incomes.
SLCBYUfan: I want to reiterate others comments, where in the world do you come
up with your comments that the brethren want to do away with BYU football? You
have no facts to prove it. I have been a big fan of BYU football for over 50 yrs
and have never heard anything that would support your bogus comments. If fact
Vai Seikahema made reference a few months ago that would prove your statements
false. Vai said he has friends among the hierarchy of the church that said BYU
football (sports) in second only to the full time missionary program in
affectiveness in getting the message of the restored gospel out to the people.
The biggest and most important thing is giving as many people as possible a
chance to hear the message of the restored gospel and whatever tools help make
that happen is what will be used. From my perspective and all I can hear, BYU
football/baskeball/sports is one of the best tools available and will be used
the best it can be. Sports in and of itself is not all that important, it is
good entertainment but as a tool for spreadingthegospel itsGreat.
The football program will continue to support itself and many other sports
programs at BYU, why would anyone care to get rid of it? It's not a liability.
You should stop being such a bully, Chris B. Besides, we need you cheering for
our Utes, and not spending your energy on being so mean to BYU. Positive energy
for the Utes is so important. Please contribute.
ESPN (BYU's partner) Big 12 Power Rankings: Week 3Plus future member
BYU 1. Oklahoma 2. Oklahoma State 3. Texas A&M
4. Baylor 5. Texas
The comments about the LDS heirarchy wanting to drop sports at BYU is simply the
pipe dream of a BYU hater, despite his equally deceptive moniker.
Oddly cut off. The rest of the rankings are: 6. Missouri, probably BYU next, 7.
Iowa State, 8. Texas Tech, 9. Kansas, 10. Kansas State.Join the
Big12, be on TV less, see recruiting drop, finish middle of the pack.Stay independent!
Long live Chris B! Go Utes
Chris B | 11:43 a.m. Sept. 12, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT"4
superconferences without byu.It's coming. And byu football will shortly
be going away."The day BYU abandons football is the day you
have time to look for a job.
"If fact Vai Seikahema made reference a few months ago that would prove
your statements false. Vai said he has friends among the hierarchy of the church
that said BYU football (sports) in second only to the full time missionary
program in affectiveness in getting the message of the restored gospel out to
the people."Right. As I watch people call each other names,
make degrading and disparaging remarks about one another, attack one another
after a game (byu 2009), and generally act like infantile imbeciles in the name
of SPORTS...a good ol' fashioned gospel message is the first thing that comes to
my mind. Sports bringing people to Christ?? Sorry...I'm not buying
Pac12ProudEven though the gospel is perfect, not everyone lives it
perfectly.The church and BYU didn't spend the last year hyping BYU
sports on BYUtv with the intent of abandoning BYU sports.btw - if
you want to see people acting like infantile imbeciles in the name of sports,
attend any Utah football game in RES. As a Utah alum and fan, it's becoming more
and more embarrassing to attend Utah football games.
Okay I will try again..When I was a kid I would go to Ute football
games with my Dad. This was when there was wood bleachers in Rice Stadium. I
would sit with my Dad during the game with many of the Ute fans Smoking around
me, I could hardly breath(I have asma) or see anything because of my watering
eyes. Then there was the new vocabulary I was learning, every time they were
loosing. But of course there was the Beer showers, when ever the Utes made a 1st
down, wich of course did't happen that often. looking back it is easy to see why
I'm now a loyal and proud BYU fan, allways and forever..
PACute_ | 2:50 p.m. Sept. 12, 2011 I am not advocating that byu abandon
sports. I am merely pointing out that sports should not be construed as the
face of the church I belong to. Sports do not bring out the "best" in
anyone including byu fans who should reflect the values byu sports ostensibly
represent. For the record, I've sat through bowl games with byu fans and I've
seen and heard despicable behavior toward fans of opposing team. I am truly
embarrassed for all concerned. Moreover, I did not assert people
are perfect - just read these message boards (byu fan and non-byu fan alike).
Based on my experience, spectators behave similarly at sporting events...good
and bad behavior from Mormon and non-Mormon spectators. Sports =
missionary work?? Again, PACute...I'm just not buying it. Further,
I've never heard an Apostle make the claim that Seikahema is purported to have
heard from his buddies (see the post above).
Chris BBYU will never feel as unwanted as you do at home! LOL
Why would a team like Texas really want to belong to a conference? $300 million
from ESPN. It would appear that the jealousy of small market schools like
Oklahoma are afraid. They will have to band together, eventually joining with
Wyoming and Colorado St. A few months ago, I sat next to an ND assistant coach
and he told me that two driving forces in BYU going independent we both ND &
Texas. They both helped work out the agreement with ESPN for BYU. Apparently
Texas has been planning independence for a while, just wanting to get all of its
ducks in a row. Also note they both quickly committed to BYU after BYU declared
independence. Texas has been planning its own Independence for a while. Why
shouldn't they, they can command a lot higher profits by themselves and have the
flexibility to do as they choose. Don't you think USC would like to have this?
What about Florida? Sure the Big 12 and Oklahoma make good stories, but Texas
doesn't need them anymore.
@pac12proudAh so we have another utah "fan" trying to
convince us that BYU athletics is an embarrassment to the church. The truth is
you are one of those conflicted utah "fans", the Mormon ones, that
cannot reconcile your hate for the flag ship university of your faith with the
fact that it does represent your faith. So instead of just calling it what it
is, hate for an institution of your faith, you pretend that it is really all
about the fans of the school. Of course BYU fans are among the most
polite and well bahved fans of any school in the country, any honest person will
admit that, but it is easier for utah "fans" like yourself to try and
pretend you hate the fans because they are "arrogant", or "self
righteous" or some other false and derogatory description than it is to
simply hate an actual church institution.How pitiful.
@sunnywindyThat is exactly what I have been saying.Texas
will start the domino effect for schools such as; Ohio State, Michigan,
Remember when BYU had an aggressive AD in Felberg.I think we would be right
where we want to be if he would have remained. Now they have Holmoe. Wait till
the Marriot center is half full this year because of the pathetic home
basketball schedule. Wait till LES gets less than 50000 fans because poor home
schedule. Holmoe should be living in the big 12 headquarters trying to sell BYU
and telling Oklahoma to stay put. If Utah wins Saturday, mark the season over
for BYU. Nothing more to play for the entire year. They should be doing
everything they can to hold the big 12 together and sell BYU. It is just like
the overhyped offense, you just know it isn't happening.
Wow! Oklahoma apparently decided that their own TV network wasn't going to fly
very high, so they opted to join the Pac pack. Ack, ack, ack!Dominoes are falling!Now, the only chance the Big XII has in
remaining a conference is to boldly go into superconference size: 14 at minimum.
Losing Oklahoma, though, might leave the conference too weak to float, even at
that number.For example, who could they cull to get there? It'd have
to be BCS teams, not mid-major promotions (other than maybe BYU). Losing 3
they'd need 7.Possible BCS teams:- Cincinnati (Big
East)- Louisville (Big East)- Maryland (ACC)- Notre Dame
(unlikely, but a saviour!)- Pittsburgh (Big East)- Syracuse (Big
East)- Virginia (ACC)- Virginia Tech (ACC)- Wake Forest
(ACC)- West Virginia (Big East)Doesn't look promising. Pretty
stetched-out, but so's Oklahoma's distance from the Pac-12 teams. Maybe distance
is no longer an issue because of greater riches?Looks like BYU's
independence run could last awhile, unless the Big XII expands fast and includes
BYU. There isn't any other BCS conference that'd take the Y.Texas'
mentioned "options" might very well include independence, which would
be good for BYU.
BYU may be looking at the beginning of the end of NCAA competition. If Texas and
OU bolt to the Pac 12 then the rest of the Big12 would be absorbed into the Big
East and SEC. BYU is really hanging out there on a limb as an independent and
almost has to have a perfect season to survive since they get no money from a
conference as Utah does. My guess is BYU is going to find it harder and harder
to compete each year since they probably aren't going to go to any major bowl
this year and most likely the same next year. Recruiting will dry up along with
the money and in 5 years my prediction football will be over at the Y. If I am a
high school senior I am NOT looking at BYU next year ... not until the dust
Why do BYU haters hope BYU athletics dissolve? Seriously? You are willing to
give up DECADES of rivalry just because you hate them THAT much!? Who you gonna
hate on then? Utah State? And then eventually you'll wish for there demise
too? Maybe if you're lucky all your future rivals will disappear and then
you'll eventually be alone. Then that way you're annual Red and White game can
be counted as the National championship game. Then its just a matter of who's
better, Red or White. @Chris B. Please elaborate why you hate
BYU so much as to want their athletics to discontinue? It doesn't make sense at
all. What will you do in you life if you don't have BYU to bash on? I just
created an account and this is the first comment ever I've made just so I can
ask that question.
Whether Texas relinquishes its TLN in order to get into the Pac group really
depends on how successful it's either being or promises to be. They've been
eyeing independence for awhile, and Oklahoma's decision might be because they've
also known that.Might even be the genesis of Nebraska's and Texas
A&M's jumping of the ship.Independence for BYU just might have a
silver lining, after all.
If there are four conferences with 16 teams each, some very good football teams
will be left out. If there are only four super conferences, the next conference
to fall will be the Big East. If the Big East goes, TCU will likely not find a
home in a super conference.Regardless of where your loyalties lie,
super conferences would create a super injustice excluding teams like Boise
State, TCU and BYU (perennial top 25 teams) and including teams that haven't
snift the Top 25 for many years like Washington State, Indiana, Northwestern and
I get the feeling that Utah is set for life and BYU's days are numbered.
Remember it was BYU that dropped track and field, softball, swimming, and other
sports just last year and I suspect that is only the beginning. The NCAA is all
about $$$ these days and those schools fortunate enough to align themselves with
the Pac 12 or the SEC etc... are set while those who are stumbling around trying
to find their way ...like BYU .. are going find out that the money soon dries up
and along with it recruiting. Independence is impossible - except for a select
few schools (military schools and ND). I just don't think this independent thing
is a long term solution and now that the BIG 12 is dissolving BYU has no place
to go. The Pac 12 will NEVER take the Y due to political and religious issues so
it will be interesting to see what the landscape looks like in 5 years.
Duckhunter | 4:14 p.m. Sept. 12, 2011 "Ah so we have another
utah "fan" trying to convince us that BYU athletics is an
embarrassment to the church."Nope, I didn't say that. I said
that sports is not a moniker for missionary work and bringing people to Christ.
Your post is a great example of what sports does to people...Mormon and
Not a BYU fan, but I think they jumped ship too early last time and are now
realizing many consequences. They should just take a bit of ime and analyze it
from every aspect. It could be a good move, or it could ruin their program. They
better be careful.But then again, has BYU ever released a statement
showing interest in a move to the Big 12? Why are we speculating so much?
So another day and another spin on this "issue". It seems as if every
single day brings us another "this is how it is going" or else
"this is what is really happening" story. I realize it is
news but the truth is it has become a real boor. Just like a cheating spouse
none of these institutions can ever be trusted. Maybe we get 16 team super
conferences but why would we believe that those would last? Why would anyone
believe that all of these self important institutions will all of a sudden
become satisfied, and loyal, simply by aligning with a bunch of other falsely
self important institutions? The fact is none of them can really get
along. It won't matter what conference they are in and if they do go to 16 team
conferences those will eventually fall apart as well because they will all grow
tired of each other again.
@Chris BYou need to stick to the political topics. You make no
sense here. It must KILL you whenever BYU beats Utah. I must just eat you
alive. That's the only reason I can think of as to why you would want BYU to go
How about all of the BYU graduates who wish BYU would drop football? There are
more than you think!Some musings:They are going to get
caught in the shuffle and left without a superconference invite (Eastern
conferences won't want to travel). The Pac-12 option was never there, due to
the academic research issues and Sunday play for other sports. The B1G won't
take them over the academic issues. Do they really want to play in an SEC with
all that travel for the other programs? (And would the SEC want to take them?)
Big East or ACC? Not happening.BYU's only play is to stay
independent as long as they can and hope for the best. I think that as college
athletics becomes more and more monetized, BYU will drop out of it (especially
if universities start paying players). Remember, BYU killed off a perfectly
good program at Ricks.BYU gets much more attention from its academic
programs than they do from athletic programs. Years ago Elders Holland and Oaks
pushed the idea of BYU being the Harvard of the West -- you don't need football
to do that.
(I mean, the Church killed off the Ricks program, not BYU.)
If the Big XII conference does fall apart Texas should go the indy route with
BYU and Notre Dame rather than humble themselves before the PAC 12. Frankly,
going independent seems to be the only option for the Longhorns if the other
teams leave simply because they have to give up so much just to stay in a
conference.From the Pac12 perspective I wonder if adding teams means
they have to redo last year's historic contract. From a competitive standpoint,
this would be a win-win for the PAC12, but not so for money.
I just love to see all the geniuses who think they know exactly what is going to
happen. Makes me laugh every time to see the stupdity that gets posted. Just
gotta love that we can all hide behind some bogus name and spout off hate and
Duckhunter | 5:16 p.m. Sept. 12, 2011 Highland, UT Need a
Chris B.Get one right regarding the y. Bring up your USC/u
predictions, BYU/Texas. That is about as right as you get. Also, bcs gone in
two, mark it down, law won't allow it.
I seriously doubt that super conferences will succeed. The 16 team WAC was a
failure, and I don't think throwing BCS type money at the problems that huge
conferences would create will solve anything. I think it's more likely that a
conglomerate of independent schools, (ND TX BYU NAVY ARMY etc.) will emerge in a
new era for college football. Either the NCAA or the BCS or both will not
survive. The corruption, is already tarnishing any winning program. I only hope
that football survives, and I'm not talking about crybaby millionaire football.
Baylor's gotta be bangin' their heads on the wall. They can't sue all of'em.
They know if the Big XII disappears, they're stuck with aligning themselves with
their old SWC foes in the WAC or MWC, of all places!Heh.Bet Texas goes the indy route before kowtowing to the Pac bunch.
@carnakTo the contrary I am very much enjoying watching utah
"fans" like yourself expose themselves daily on these boards as
hypocrites and obsessed haters. I encourage you to continue.
It is too funny watching BYU fan proudly tout their cute little deal with ESPN
and chest pounding but it was really to compensate for your desperate need to be
part of a big boy conference.Wake up BYU fan, if the Big 10/9/12
stays together, they will bring on Texas schools, the politicians will make sure
of that. You really think the Big 12 wanted Baylor last time they expanded?
Hello Houston, Rice, TCU and SMU.
If Oklahoma and Oklahoma State exit the Big 12 for the PAC 10 it will be a
disaster for them and their fans. They will be playing all their games west of
the Rockies (except Colorado) and their fans will be unhappy. Super conferences
may well form, but they will eventually collapse just like the old 16 team WAC.
The BIG 12 would do well to invite BYU and Boise State to replace the Oklahoma
schools and Air Force to replace Texas A & M. The Big 12 should have been
proactive by expanding last year instead of waiting. They need to expand NOW
before it's too late.
The PAC12 does not need OU or OK St. All that would do is take money away from
the current schools, and could move Utah out of the S. Cal division. Texas needs
to split Big 12 money evenly or go independent. TCU could take A&M's spot.
Then the Big 12 should strongly recruit Louisville, and then take another big
market school like Houston. BYU should probably stay independent, but they
should try to secure long term agreements with the other indy's (ND, Navy, and
Army), and then have at least half of their games against BCS teams.
This Big 12 situation is a perfect example of how the greed of Texas is coming
back to bite them. If they were like the PAC 12 or SEC, they would secure a
deal for ALL the teams in their conference.BTW BYU fan, the MWC
sharing money from our 2 BCS wins with you is a form of socialism that paid for
your coach, live it and love it because you are a recipient of it. You are
JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidtIt's hillarious watching jealous Utah
fans trying to minimize the Utes only playing on ESPN once this season (courtesy
of their big brothers), while the team the Utes supposedly left behind will have
a least 10 games on the worldwide leader in sports.
Always love to see all the Ute fans on here spouting off. Something you don't
much see Y fans doing on the hate-filled Tribune boards. Nice to see BYU
Football is living rent free in their heads! Super conferences will
not work long term because of BIG egos and BIG dollars! Texas has no interest in
sharing with the likes of Oregon or USC. The egos$$ are too big on both sides
for a comfy fit and if they try PAC16, it wouldn't last. Independence would be much preferred by the big egos$$ and it would make for a
real nice fit for BYU Football to play ND, TX, FL, etc. every year as indy's.
Joining any conference would be a step into the past! I really like
where BYU is at!
@ Cougars - Foolish Little Brothers"It's hillarious watching
jealous Utah fans trying to minimize the Utes only playing on ESPN once this
season (courtesy of their big brothers), while the team the Utes supposedly left
behind will have a least 10 games on the worldwide leader in sports."I feel bad for byu's season ticket holders paying tons of money to watch
WAC teams. Lucky for them they get to see one marquee BCS team come to Provo
(courtesy of their big brother Utah).
PAC 12 clueless UEveryone knows the WAC teams on this year's BYU
schedule are merely a temporary fix. BYU has been scheduling elite teams like
Notre Dame, Texas, Penn State, Florida State, Miami, and USC for decades and
you'll see many of those teams on future BYU schedules.Utah, for all
their talk, is incapable of getting truly elite teams like Notre Dame and Texas
to visit RES.By the way, marquee teams don't end up on Versus for
their inaugural PAC 12 game.
Texas does not want to go to the Pac 12, they have it too good in the Big 12 and
don't want to lose their new Longhorn TV network! Insider reports show that most
Pac 12 presidents and AD's don't want to rock the boat with new members as they
are happy with their huge record breaking TV contract and don't want to split it
up for new mouths to feed, especially without Texas. Others are greatly opposed
to splitting up into a Western league and an Eastern league as they will no
longer get to play in Southern Cali to get those high school recruits! Oklahoma
can apply all they want, they are stuck in the Big 12 for now, so while anything
can happen, this is still BYU's call to make on joining the Big 12 after
Oklahoma's false threats get them some other concessions in the Big 12. Even if they did lose OK and OK St. to the Pac 14, if Texas stays as
reported, it is still viable conference with the likes of BYU, Air Force, TCU,
Louisville, Pittsburg or Houston as replacements.
Utah might be the only BCS league team (not marquee) visiting RES this year, but
it is only the third best team coming in behind Utah State and UCF. I think BYU is in a good position just waiting to see how things go. Money is
certainly not an issue, so lets just sit back and pick our spot and hopefully
make the best decision for the future.
Would love to see Big 12 stay intact by adding Air Force, BYU and either TCU or
Boise State. Only BYU has as many fans as Texas A&M, but this would elevate
the conference from a strength standpoint, solidify the conference with 12
schools, and bring back the conference championship game.
@johnnnyjingleheimer"BTW BYU fan, the MWC sharing money from
our 2 BCS wins with you is a form of socialism that paid for your coach, live it
and love it because you are a recipient of it."Uh jingly...that
amounted to a few hundred thousand dollars. utah "fans" like yourself
like to pretend every school got millions of dollars from those bcs appearances.
They didn't. They got a few hundred thousand each. BYU's coaches are
paid for through an endowment that was set up by big BYU boosters. The few
hundred thousand they got from utah's bowl games is a meer pittance and is
pretty much nothing compared to the millions and millions BYU's meer presence in
both the wac and the mtn west brought to every single other school over the
years as BYU was those conferences only real nationaly marketable brand.But of course utah "fans" like yourself will keep trying to
pretend utah brought much value to anyone else. They didn't.
If the Pac-12 doesn't accept the Oklahomas, then the Big XII won't implode. Too
quickly, anyway.However, Scott (commissioner of the Pac-12) said
they aren't looking to expand BUT aren't excluding it, either. Sounds like he's
still hoping to get both the Oklahomas and Texas's like he tried to do a year
ago. He's just sitting back and waiting to see how it falls out with Texas.Scott knows that if he doesn't get the Big XII teams he wants, when the
SEC expands to 14 or 16 (the addition of A&M will cause certainly that), the
Big Ten might need to expand (maybe getting the Oklahomas), leaving the Pac-12
in a bad spot for expanding. They'd get stuck with either the Kansas's or having
to promote western mid-majors to grow.Scott's proactive, so he won't
pass up on taking the Oklahomas.
For those of you posting about the Big XII surviving by adding the likes of
Boise State, Houston, TCU, or SMU, that WON'T happen. Promoting a bunch of
mid-majors only waters down the BCS standing, not enhancing it by enlarging its
numbers. Besides, Texas wouldn't allow other Texas-based schools into the
conference---that'd water down their recruiting base advantage.The
only way the Big XII expands, no matter who they lose, is to add other BCS
schools from the Big East and ACC, and to add BYU, the only mid-major left with
enough national following to make it viable.
TheSportsAuthority said:"PAC 12 clueless UEveryone
knows the WAC teams on this year's BYU schedule are merely a temporary fix. BYU
has been scheduling elite teams like Notre Dame, Texas, Penn State, Florida
State, Miami, and USC for decades and you'll see many of those teams on future
BYU schedules.Utah, for all their talk, is incapable of getting
truly elite teams like Notre Dame and Texas to visit RES.By the way,
marquee teams don't end up on Versus for their inaugural PAC 12 game."Uhh perhaps BYU should learn how to beat elite teams first. They just
lost to Texas, one of the schools you just listed.It does not
matter how many times BYU is on ESPN. They are on the outside looking in. Utah
is in a better position, already part of a BCS conference.
Doesn't matter. The invite never came.Many believe that BYU turned down
many conference invites in the past because they wanted to stay with the U. What is the excuse now? Independence is supreme just ask Notre Dame?Even though, Notre Dame has a BCS deal?
I've seen others ask this, but Ute fans never answer it. Why do some Ute fans
feel the necessity to denigrate BYU and their fans? I simply don't understand
it. I've lived in Texas nearly all my life. I spent a few years in Provo while
I went to school. I never gave the U much thought while I was there other than
during football and basketball games. I grew up a Longhorn fan and had friends
that were A&M fans. I see Longhorn and Aggie fans get along all the time.
They have a rivalry, but not a hatred. While I'd be naive to say there are no
BYU fans that hate Utah fans, I feel fairly confident that the hatred is almost
all one-way. I really just don't understand the hatred.
I agree with many of the comments. BYU has time on our side. We aren't in a
hurry, let's make sure we get a great deal. As for Oklahoma State,
why would anybody want them. They have some decent sports, but not even great.
They have one old alumnus that givves them great money.To T. Boone
Pickens: Where is Stillwater, OK?
I love how the CU president is against expansion. What is funny is that with
OU, OSU and others to follow, Colorado would be the red headed step child again
for the PAC 16.
TXBYUFAN:I answered your question, but you'll have to ask the
moderators what it said.
TXBYUFAN:...either that, or go ask that question over on one of the
Tribune's articles. They have a lot healthier respect for the 1st Amendment
PACute_@ 2:50 p.m. "btw - if you want to see people acting like infantile
imbeciles in the name of sports, attend any Utah football game in RES. As a Utah
alum and fan, it's becoming more and more embarrassing to attend Utah football
games."I couldn't agree with you more! I went to a number of
Ute games at the RES, and I won't go back again.