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  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Sept. 8, 2011 1:13 p.m.

    Go Trojans.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 1:26 p.m.

    The Utes better perform after rubbing the PAC-12 in everybody's face for the last year.

    They may compete in football, but we know they can't in basketball, baseball, tennis, golf, volleyball, track and field and everything else.

    They may find out that they are the "frumpy girl" and the hip sorority party.

  • ClassyUte SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 2:00 p.m.

    USA-

    Don't you worry about that. A few years, a few classes of higher level athletic recruits, and a huge increase in athletic budget will have you singing a different tune. Plus, i assume by "everything else" you mean skiing and gymnastics right? Because I'm pretty sure that the U is more than capable of competing in those two sports.

    At least we got invited to the party. Have fun staying home alone.

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 2:04 p.m.

    @USAlover

    basketball, at the moment, ill give you. baseball is up and coming. But how in the world can you say with a straight face that they can't compete in tennis, golf, volleyball, or track and field? Do you follow all of those sports closely?

    And dont worry about Utah basketball, the glory days will return.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 2:41 p.m.

    Lots of good ski teams in LA, Phoenix and San Francisco. HAHAH

    Whatever makes yourself feel better.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 2:42 p.m.

    MWC Championships the last 10 years:

    BYU:132
    Utah:49

    I know enough about the other sports to know Utah will be the doormat of the PAC 12.

  • Utes21 Salt Lake City, ut
    Sept. 8, 2011 2:56 p.m.

    @USAlover
    I dont think the U has a mens Track and Field team or Volleyball team? Your really bringing up their Golf team? Baseball has had decent years and the PAC isnt a powerhouse in every one of those sports. Why does this matter so much to you?

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 3:00 p.m.

    @USA

    Trolling on Utah articles with some obvious PAC 12 jealousy covered with a thin layer of bitterness? "Whatever makes yourself feel better."

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 3:12 p.m.

    Kosta Fesenko

    "But how in the world can you say with a straight face that they can't compete in tennis, golf, volleyball, or track and field?"

    Maybe you should do a little research before spouting off.

    The Utes don't even have a men's volleyball team and their track & field team has never been competitive.

    On the other hand, BYU has won THREE national championships in volleyball, as well as a national championship in both golf and track & field.

    Fortunately for Utah, men's volleyball isn't played in the PAC 12, UCLA, USC, and Stanford compete with BYU in the MPSF in volleyball, where BYU will also be competing against most of the PAC 12 teams in indoor track & field.

    As far as skiing goes, NOBODY cares about skiing except for Utah, Colorado, Vermont and Denver.

    And in women's gymnastics, the Utes now get to play second fiddle to UCLA, which has won SIX national championships since Utah won their last championship last century.

    Better hope Utah football stays competitive, because that's all U have.

  • ClassyUte SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 3:22 p.m.

    USA-
    Whatever makes me feel better? Ha! Go compile some more awesome stats. I'm sure you'll sleep soundly tonight knowing that BYU has been the MWC golf and tennis champions for the past ten years.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 3:23 p.m.

    My jealousy is not thin layered. It's thick and stacked. I just think other than football and gymnastics, Utah can't compete in anything while BYU would actually compete very well in the PAC 12 AND sell more tickets due to BYU fans galore. And yes, volleyball and track and field are big PAC 12 sports. Utah is not good enough to even field a team. You might want to try to at least compete

    I'm fine, happy and retired at age 41, so I don't stay up at night over this at all. I just think Ute Nation only exists between Logan and St. George and other than football Utah is inferior in practically every program compared with BYU.

    Head-to-head, Utah football is only .500 with BYU anyway. Good luck against SC!

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 3:24 p.m.

    @Swoop

    "And in women's gymnastics, the Utes now get to play second fiddle to UCLA, which has won SIX national championships since Utah won their last championship last century."

    I thought a championship from last century was all you needed to be considered the best program ever.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 3:47 p.m.

    truthsandwich

    "I thought a championship from last century was all you needed to be considered the best program ever."

    Your hyperbole not withstanding, it's all relative:

    recent championship > older championship > no championship

    call us when the Utah men win their first championship without the help of the ladies

  • Igualmente Mesa, AZ
    Sept. 8, 2011 3:50 p.m.

    Fight On.

  • ClassyUte SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 4:04 p.m.

    Hmmm..
    Well you could have fooled me USA because you seem deeply concerned. I'm glad you at least admit that you're jealous though. I think you'll find that in the end though,Utah winning those 2 BCS bowl games (in football) just looked so much more impressive than BYU being the reigning Mountain Worst Champs.

    Good luck being the frumpy girl who didn't get invited and with retirement. Maybe you could follow BYU to all of their WAC games in all of your spare time?

  • ClassyUte SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 4:07 p.m.

    Swoop-

    Achieving perfection recently(twice) > Talking about perfection and never achieving it.

    Call us when BYU goes to a BCS game. Call us again when they win it.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 4:18 p.m.

    These Utah haters make me laugh. They bash Utah and hope they fail miserabley and can't compete on the football field with Pac-12 teams.

    What's funny about that is this:

    Utah's outshined BYU on the football field the last decade in everyone's eyes across the country, except BYU fans. 2 BCS wins, 2 undefeated seasons, huge wins over teams like TCU, Bama, Oregon, Cal, etc. Not to mention a 6-4 record against mighty BYU.

    If Utah football, who has completely outclassed BYU football the last decade on the national stage, and Utah fails in the Pac-12, what does that say about your Cougars?

    It says you're best bet is to stay independent and continue scheduling 7 WAC teams a year.

    If Utah's a doormat, BYU must be a single thread of mess on the bottom of the doormat.

    But you guys feel free to continue rooting for a program who has passed you by to fail, and make you look even worse.

  • chicagoborn WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 4:19 p.m.

    Wow. BYU trolls need a life. I love how they blast our gymnastics national championships even though they are more legitimate than say a college football national championship.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 4:28 p.m.

    You guys have no idea how good life is. Good luck in LA!

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 4:28 p.m.

    They had need to play much better than the opener against Montana St. Look at Arizona who played NAU, they won 41-10. That is the type of score you need against a Montana St. They are playing USC now!

  • Balan South Jordan, Utah
    Sept. 8, 2011 5:01 p.m.

    They need to belong???

    Sounds like the "little brother" mentality lives on!

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    Sept. 8, 2011 5:13 p.m.

    @ Swoop

    "call us when the Utah men win their first championship without the help of the ladies"

    Men's basketball won the 1944 National Championship (which is just as legit as your football title)

    Don't be a hater!

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 8, 2011 5:31 p.m.

    williary

    Utah has had two great seasons in their entire history, yet even in Utah's greatest period in history, the Utes couldn't keep pace with the Cougars. Even with their worst stretch of football in the last 50 years:

    AP Top 25 Finishes the last 10 years

    BYU 5
    Utah 4

    Top 15 Finishes the last 10 years

    BYU 3
    Utah 2

    Your best bet is just to accept that Utah had a couple of great seasons, but is now headed to middle of the PAC mediocrity.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 8, 2011 5:39 p.m.

    Bleed Crimson

    Utah won the 2nd best tournament in 1944, which happened to be the NCAA tournament. Army, which didn't play in either the NIT or the NCAA, won the national championship.

    No team in the history of college basketball has played a more pathetic regular season schedule than Utah played in 1944.

  • chicagoborn WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 5:44 p.m.

    And after of having just a couple of great seasons, we were invited to a BCS conference. And after BYU "dominated" college football since 1984 what do they have to show for it? Becoming independent with a WAC schedule and will always play second fiddle to Notre Dame when it comes to independents.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 5:47 p.m.

    williary

    Sorry to disappoint you, but if Utah's a doormat, that won't affect BYU one iota.

    As an independent, BYU will be judged ENTIRELY on what BYU does from this point on.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Sept. 8, 2011 6:03 p.m.

    Oh my, the baby Y fans are out in force pouting their all too familiar sad and pathetic way. Seriously are you men or whiney babies as you are acting the latter. I take satisfaction that Utah being in the PAC 12 gives you grief; sweet justice.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Sept. 8, 2011 6:18 p.m.

    pebbles

    The slight amount of "whining" from BYU fans will be tiny compared to the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth we're going to hear from the hill crowd after Wynn's implosion in the Colliseum.

  • camera2head west jordan, utah
    Sept. 8, 2011 8:38 p.m.

    phantomblade

    You want to talk about pathetic regular season schedules. The 1984 national champ cougs opponents were a combined 61-85-3. Zero wins against any teams that finished in the final top 20.What a joke! No better example in history of a paper champion.Name any ncaa football champ who ever played a weaker schedule. People wonder why we have a faulty BCS system.

  • Hawkyo SYRACUSE, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 8:50 p.m.

    Bleed crimson, most of the country was overseas fighting for freedom in 1944 it's not hard to win a championship when only those left behind from the fight are around to play against. How many games did the U play that year? Um, yeah, that's what I thought.
    Seriously though I am rooting for the Utes to beat everyone in the pac this year. Not sure Wynn can do it, but I'll be rooting just the same. I can't wait for the 17th. This year should be a good game, but I give the edge to BYU. Beat USC and AZ ST. at least, so BYU looks better when you lose to them okay?

  • Hawkyo SYRACUSE, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 8:56 p.m.

    CHicago, we've been dominating since the 70's get it right(please note sarcasm) As far as second fiddle to Notre Dame, have you been paying attention at all to college football the past two decades? ND is a has been, and has been for a while. They are resting on their ancient laurels. BYU will be just fine, and I feel that the utes will be just fine as well. I see them competing regularly for titles in a pac 12. Pac 16 with tex and OK in their half of the pac, um, less frequently.

  • Hawkyo SYRACUSE, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 9:03 p.m.

    Rock, justice for what? For dragging you along with us for so long while you languished in mediocrity? For throwing you bones, keeping you alive until you got smart, got some ex BYU players to help coach,(Kafusi, etc.) then landed a couple of great ones in Whit, and Sitake? And then, finally now that you've come full circle and the biggest games in your school history are against someone besides BYU, you are now so much greater than your past? Yep. Classy. For what it's worth, your welcome. Now don't blow it! BYU's worked too hard to bring you out of the gutter for you to mess this up.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Sept. 8, 2011 9:31 p.m.

    "Fortunately for Utah, men's volleyball isn't played in the PAC 12, UCLA, USC, and Stanford compete with BYU in the MPSF in volleyball, where BYU will also be competing against most of the PAC 12 teams in indoor track & field.

    As far as skiing goes, NOBODY cares about skiing except for Utah, Colorado, Vermont and Denver."
    ---Swoop

    But appearantly everybody should care about men's volleyball...

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Sept. 8, 2011 10:14 p.m.

    camera2head

    I'd calculate the overall records of Utah's 1944 opponents, but there aren't any records. Utah literally played an ENTIRE SEASON of pickup games, because Utah, Idaho State and Colorado College were the ONLY colleges in the entire region that were still playing basketball.

    18th Replacement Wing 48-24 SLC
    A.S.T.P. Company D 51-21 SLC
    A.S.T.P. Company B 76-24 SLC
    A.S.T.P. ERC 71-17 SLC
    Hill Field Fliers 61-26 Ogden
    Weber 63-25 Ogden
    Weber Navy 60-25 Ogden
    Kearns 2nd Air Force 45-35 Kearns
    Fort Douglas 41-26 SLC
    Wendover Bomber Quintet 64-28 Wendover
    Idaho State 54-43 SLC
    Ecker Studio 46-44 SLC
    Colorado College 48-34 Colorado Springs
    Fort Logan 55-38 Denver
    Fort Warren 59-61 Cheyenne
    Kearns 57-37 SLC
    Salt Lake Air Base 39-54 SLC
    Bushnel Hospital 78-31 SLC
    Idaho State 52-40 Pocatello
    Dow Chemical 36-46 SLC
    Salt Lake Air Base 62-38 SLC

    btw, Utah LOST to Fort Warren and Dow Chemical!

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Sept. 8, 2011 10:47 p.m.

    MiP

    "But appearantly everybody should care about men's volleyball..."

    There are certainly alot more fans who care about men's volleyball than collegiate skiing.

    BYU has thousands of fans who attend BYU volleyball games on a regular basis and BYU's home games are regularly broadcast on BYUtv.

    Except for family and friends, I doubt you'd find even a handful of Utah fans who have ever attended a collegiate skiing competition or watched a moment of collegiate skiing on television.

    It's really not that hard to win a championship in a sport in which only a handful of schools compete -- Denver(21), Colorado(17), Utah(10), Vermont(5), Dartmouth(3), Wyoming(2), and New Mexico(1) are the ONLY schools that have ever won an NCAA skiing championship since skiing became an NCAA sanctioned sport in 1954.

  • GoGetter Sandy, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 11:06 p.m.

    As the player said, it's a chance in a lifetime. Not one Trojan can say that about this game. Proof that the Utes will play with more heart than they will.

    They belong. GO UTES!

  • Classless Ute Fan Magna, UT
    Sept. 8, 2011 11:30 p.m.

    Hawkyo,

    ***Chicago, we've been dominating since the 70's get it right(please note sarcasm) As far as second fiddle to Notre Dame, have you been paying attention at all to college football the past two decades? ND is a has been, and has been for a while.***

    And yet, BYU has, does, and will always play second fiddle to that "has been team". Which team has been to multiple BCS games? Which team has won 11 NC's including more recently? Which team has a higher winning percentage? Which team has more current NFL players? Which team is on a free major national channel every game? Which team demands and gets 2 for 1's? Which team could get an invite to ANY BCS conference if they wanted? Which team consistently has top recruiting classes? The list goes on and on... Seriously, if Notre Dame is a has been, then BYU was just a blip on the screen in the 80's. Seriously, don't ever try to compare BYU and Notre Dame in football. You lose ALL credibility.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Sept. 9, 2011 6:42 a.m.

    USAlover | 2:42 p.m. Sept. 8, 2011
    MWC Championships the last 10 years:

    BYU:132
    Utah:49

    ----------------

    Yet only two titles got the "national exposure" that BYU is looking for...

    2008 13-0 Utah 31 Alabama 17
    2004 12-0 Utah 35 Pitt 7

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Sept. 9, 2011 7:18 a.m.

    Classless Ute Fan

    Great, you've established why Notre Dame > BYU and with that, you should now understand why, since 1965, Utah has, does, and always will play 2nd fiddle to BYU.

    ND > BYU > Utah

    Just remember that simply being in a BCS conference doesn't make you a great program. There are lots of mediocre teams in BCS conferences -- see Duke, Iowa State, Vanderbilt, Indiana, etc.

    NC Championships
    BYU 1
    Utah 0

    Heisman Trophy Winners
    BYU 1
    Utah 0

    National Individual Awards Winners
    BYU 15
    Utah 0

    National College Hall of Fame Inductees
    BYU 7 (6 players)
    Utah 1 (0 players)

    Conference Championships

    WAC/MWC
    BYU 23
    Utah 6

    Last 5 Years
    BYU 2
    Utah 1

    AP Top 25 Finishes

    Lifetime
    BYU 17
    Utah 5

    Last 5 Years
    BYU 4
    Utah 2

    btw, didn't Utah schedule Michigan 0 for 2 and Notre Dame 0 for 1?

    BYU at Texas - ESPN
    Utah at USC - Versus

    At least BYU has beaten Notre Dame in Provo and in South Bend, something the Utes proved last year that they're not compable of even during a down period for Notre Dame.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Sept. 9, 2011 7:25 a.m.

    Interesting article and I wish these people well in their choice of religion.

  • hohum Saint George, UT
    Sept. 9, 2011 8:31 a.m.

    Willary:

    Your are right, last year the u really took it to TCU, ND, Boise and yes the y.

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    Sept. 9, 2011 8:56 a.m.

    The way the Pathetic 12 has performed so far this season, the Utes shouldn't have any trouble proving that they belong.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Sept. 9, 2011 11:36 a.m.

    @phantomblade

    So I guess you will also agree that:

    No team in the history of college {football} has played a more pathetic regular season schedule than {BYU} played in {1984}.

    Can't wait until we open PAC-12 play. Big questions still need answering and I for one am excited to prove that we can play at the next level.

    Go UTES!!