If he want's to see gerrymandering he should come out here to California where
democrats have legislated a permanent majority based on the recommendations of a
partisan panel of citizens who have basically drawn political boundaries based
on the ethnic makeup of a district. Totally un-Constitutional, totally
un-American. You people in Utah should be on your knees thanking God that you
don't have the same bunch of anti-Americans running that state. Get over it
Matheson, it's YOUR party that has no respect for the will of the people.
What goes around, comes around.
If the demos were in charge matheson would have no problem with the process.
Matheson has a problem...he votes with Pelosi almost exactly!
This process wouldn't be so egregious if there was some political balance in
this state. Too much power always corrupts.
I don't think elected officials should be involved--from either party. I'm not
sure who is knowledgeable enough to participate AND neutral, but I think that
would be the best way. Avoiding even the very appearance of corruption, ya
Dollar to doughnuts Matheson runs against the likes of Carl Wimmer. Wimmer
supported hb 477. Enough said
Whatever happens we don't want his district to cover southern Utah. Give him
Salt Lake City.
Let SLC have their own district. Keep the city folk together. And let the
southern part of the state represent themselves. That's what is best for the
state. None of this "pie" or "pizza" slice stuff that puts
all the power in the northern cities.
"I don't think elected officials should be doing this," Matheson said,
renewing his call for an independent redistricting commission. "This isn't
just about me. Every citizen in Utah has to put up with the results of this
flawed process."Shame on to suggest that the Republican Party
is less than honest. We all know that they stand for good government.
"Trillion Dollar Jim Matheson" needs to remember something HIS
President said: "Elections have consequences." When Republicans
control the Legislature, they have more power in redistricting. So, "eat
your peas."However, the law requires that they come up with
districts with equal numbers of of citizens in each, so it really does not
matter how they divide the pie (or donut) as long as every Utahn is equally
represented. The same applies to any group of people who draw the lines.I don't like being in a district where Jimmy is my Congressman, but if I
want to change that I need to get enough other voters to throw him out, not
whine and hope that someone redraws the boundaries so I can get a conservative
Republican instead.Jimmy is a nice guy, and when he is playing
"Blue Dog" he is not bad (for a Democrat) but too much of the time he
is Pelosi's best friend and supports the liberal Democrat agenda which is
destroying our nation. I will work as hard as I can to see he is replaced in
2012. And, that does not mean a promotion to the Senate or statewide
To get the fairest redistricting, they should pull some person from another part
of the country who has no idea what areas are conservative, which are liberal or
what the racial makeup of different areas are. Just give the person a map with
the zip codes and their populations and have that person create the boundaries
that fit the population requirements. That, or have a computer do it.
"Waddoups said lawmakers did not gerrymander the 2nd District after the
2000 Census... [and] said then, as now, lawmakers were only trying to create
equal districts based on population changes..."Though he's
quite experienced in the craft, it looks like Waddoups still has some lessons to
learn before becoming a master liar. When you get nationwide recognition-
including harsh words from fairly conservative media such as the WSJ- for the
worst instance of gerrymandering in the country, pretending you had no political
motivation just hurts your credibility.It's tiring to continually
see juvenile comments trying to justify Republican abuses of power here by
appealing to abuses of power in California and other predominantly liberal parts
of the country. Not only do two wrongs not make a right, but wrongs being
perpetrated against the citizens of Utah can't possibly "avenge"
wrongs perpetrated against others.People who claim Matheson
"votes with Pelosi almost exactly" need to actually look at the record
rather than the silly statistics people spout. The percentages you hear include
a *lot* of fairly insubstantial or procedural votes; on major issues where most
Utahns disagree with the current DNC party line, Matheson disagrees with them as
@rok:I like the idea of having someone from outside doing the
redistricting. The computer idea is OK too -- just as long as I program the
Love the idea the elected representatives are to bias to do a good job of
redistricting. Dose this say anything about Mr. Matheson's support and trust in
Re: rok | 10:54 p.m. Aug. 30, 2011 - San Diego, CA"To get the fairest
redistricting, they should pull some person from another part of the country who
has no idea what areas are conservative"Or maybe they should do
it the way it is done in California.
The good news for Jim is that he's not really a Democrat. Only in Utah is Jim
Mattheson a Democrat. Anywhere else he's a moderate Republican.
Jim Matheson is a career politician. Jim Matheson, please go back
to private sector for retraining. We don't want more Wilderness
(the extremist form of Federal control of Utah) in a State with 70% Federal
ownership.We did not want health care forced down our throats.We wanted health care and general tort reform, but got none.We don't want to live in a debtor nation.I'm in your district.
You surely don't represent me.
Re: RiflemanThe way it is done in CA isn't great. They still had to
create special racial districts and weren't totally untainted by attempts to
I wrote this 5 years ago (Nov. 2006) when Matheson was making the same claims.
What has changed? As a Utah native who has lived and voted in Salt
Lake County and in two congressional districts (simply by crossing Redwood Road)
I am completely bewildered by the early redistricting attempts by the Utah State
Legislature. As the districts are currently drawn, the eastern half of the
county (where there is little to no growth) is separate from the western half of
Salt Lake County (where growth is happening). That western half of the county is
put with Utah County. Why? West Valley City is no more in line politically and
geographically with Utah County than the city of Randolph is with Weber County.
To the Utah Legislature I ask simply this: Why not let all of Salt Lake County
be joined in one voting district for the U.S. House of Representatives, just as
they are in Salt Lake County government?Matheson has been protected
by a system that is clearly not functioning. Whining about being a target when
the disparity still exits simply to keep you employed is not leadership.
Elections matter and congressional district boundaries should to.
I'm in mathesons district and I would love nothing more than to see him gone. if
that means he gets redistricted out then so be it. I'm fairly sure he wouldn't
complain at all if the dems ran things in this state and they were in charge of
redistricting, then it would all be fine with him.As long as a
district is geographically contiguous and has the right number of people then it
isn't gerrymandering in my book. Not to mention gerrymandering is just a term
used by those who are in the minority politically.Here's to hoping
matheson goes back to being whatever it was he was before he entered congress.
Probably a lawyer would be my guess.
Boo hoo, Matheson. Like Democrats don't do it in any other state. You ought to
see what they're doing here in California just so they can pass tax increases.
'Matheson: 'There's no question I'm a target' in redistricting' - Title Of course he is. Becuase Utah is full of corrupt politcians. Want examples? *'E-mail raises new questions about
influence of Herbert campaign contributions' - By John Daley and Lisa Riley
Roche - Deseret News - 09/28/10 'Gov. Gary Herbert "should
remember" that the construction company boss on his meeting schedule is a
$50,000 first-time donor who wants to talk "about transportation
construction and issues within the state." $13 million tax
dollars to settle THAT little 'misspoke.' *'Chaffetz blasts federal
pay raises, except his own' - By Becky Bruce - DSNews - 11/10/10
'Each member of the House and Senate earned $174,000 this year. (sic) When
asked whether $174,000 is too much: ' "It doesn't mean that
everybody's going to get an individual pay cut," Chaffetz said." *Exclusive: Senator Hatchs $125,000 annual pension? By Chris Vanocur
ABC 4 News 08/10/11
Being a transplant to Utah, I can say that Utah politics is pretty much seen by
the rest of the country as mormon politics. This is just one of many reasons
that the rest of the country will not give much support for mormons in
high-ranking political offices.
Matheson is telling the truth. Waddoups is acting like a cynical politician.
Utah voters are the losers.
@ClarkKent: your comment is laughable. The rest of the country doesn't care what
happens in Utah let alone if it is "mormon politics".You
sound like the national media when they say "some people" and then
launch into a negative comment and argument.Stand on your own 2
feet. ----A vote for Matheson is a vote for Pelosi, Reid
and Obama. If those are your politics then so be it however, Matheson is not
good for Utah or the nation.@Christine: how are Utah voters losers
in this deal?
@AmericanFirst - Who decides what is American? This flame-throwing is in itself
unAmerican.@RedSmith - We got a lot of good changes to health
reform. Is it perfect? No. But many of the changes get overwhelming approval by
voters. Perhaps if you became more literate about the topic you would see the
good that has occurred. It may have turned out a lot better if the Republicans
had been more interested in policy than politics.The first principal
of redistricting should always be fairness. The board should be made up of a
cross section of people with different political views. It's absurd for either
party - whether dems in California or Chicago or Republicans in Utah and Texas,
to manipulate the process.Pelosi-bashing but nothing about Boehner
& McConnell? Severe double-standard.The biggest change in
politics that I've seen is in fairness. It's become okay-even expected-to lie,
cheat and be an absolute hypocrite. If your favorite sports team only won
because they cheated, it wouldn't take long for fans to desert them but in
politics we look the other way or even encourage the cheating - as long as it
serves our party. Let's demand integrity first.
Re: williary | 7:41 a.m. Aug. 31, 2011 If Jim Mattheson votes like a
moderate Republican perhaps he should change parties. He'd get more votes in
Utah and more power in Washington.
@Waddoups:Of course you gerrymander districts. We are not fools.
You can lie all you want but we aren't as stupid as you seem to think.
Congressman Matheson is my representative, and I have always been grateful for
that. I find moderation very refreshing in the current political climate of
this state and nation. Hopefully those involved in redistricting will listen to
the zealots in Northern Utah County and in St. George and give them what they
want - someone from their own homogenous pool who shares their same dogmatic,
overly-simplistic, and ineffective views. Let them have Herbert and Waddoups
et. al. Thank goodness there are refreshing and pragmatic voices of reason such
as Matheson's consistent voice and that of Mark Shurtleff's recently with his
announced position on immigration policy. Without them, the political state of
this state would be worse than it already is.
@Charles | 10:06 a.m. Aug. 31, 2011 The Greater Outdoors, UT @ClarkKent: your comment is laughable. The rest of the country doesn't care
what happens in Utah let alone if it is "mormon politics".Actually, you need to take your blinders off. The rest of the country very
much cares when mormons are running for national political offices.
Re: Pagan | 9:02 a.m. Aug. 31, 2011 "Because Utah is full of corrupt
politicians."Unlike Illinois where Gov. George Ryan went to
prison and Gov. Rod Blagojevich was convicted in Federal Court of 17 counts
against him. Makes politicians in Utah look like angels complete with wings and
Matheson is right!!! Waddoups is acting like a cynical politician. The voters
and residents of Utah are the LOSERS!! We the people are the LOSERS! Having the
legislators in charge of redistricting is undemocratic. There will always be
legislative conflicts of interest. It clearly violates equal protection under
the law (one person=one vote, equal representation).
There seems to be this fallacy that Salt Lake County cannot be its own District.
Why? Who says the state has to be divided equally? Who cares about percentages?
Courage requires tough choices NOT politically expedient ones as Matheson would
have us all believe. Tell me how a cattle rancher in San Juan County has
anything in common with a resident of the Avenues? Where is the correlation
between Cottonwood Heights and Duchesne? Residents of West Valley and Provo have
different needs than those residing in Millard County, but they are in the same
District. The map 2nd Congressional District Map shows Mr. Matheson HAS been
protected. Realistically he only needs to win the Salt Lake County cities, Park
City, and St George to virtually guarantee his victory. It is time for the
protection to end. It is time to stop tiptoeing around Salt Lake Countys
precious sensibilities. It is time to give the whole state an equal voice. Give
rural Utah and southern Utah real representation. Let the smaller communities be
heard effectively and clearly.
I differ with Matheson on many issues, but as an American Citizen I detest and
hate gerrymandering by either party. George Washington said it so clearly in
his final farewell address, "When party wins the people lose." The
drawing of district boundaries should never be left in the hands of politicians.
It should be an independent group of citizens. Gerrymandering is unethical,
dishonest and those who practice it should be ashamed each night and morning
when they look in the mirror.
'Makes politicians in Utah look like angels complete with wings and halos.' -
Rifleman | 10:58 a.m. Aug. 31, 2011 Really? *'Herbert
signs records bill HB477 after rally for veto' - By Paul Koepp, Deseret News -
03/08/11 'More than 100 people gathered near the steps leading up to
the House chamber to demand a veto from Gov. Gary Herbert as lawmakers who
passed an amended HB477 Monday delaying its effective date until July 1 looked
down from the corridors above. But an 8 p.m. news release from the
governor's office said he signed the bill along with 18 other measures that have
passed the 2011 Legislature.' Signing legislation with your voters
chanting outside your door? This, is you 'halo?' *'Sen. Vitter
Apologizes for Number Showing Up on Phone Records of Alleged Prostitution Ring'
- Fox News - 07/10/07 Republican David Vitter... still
Jim Matheson would be considered a moderate Republican in any other state. Moderates in both parties are harder to find thanks to the caucus and
primaries being attended mostly by the far-end of the party. This does not bode
well for our country.
Re: williary"If Jim Mattheson votes like a moderate Republican
perhaps he should change parties. He'd get more votes in Utah and more power in
Washington."He wouldn't win a Republican Primary exactly
because he is a moderate!
S.Andrew "There seems to be this fallacy that Salt Lake County
cannot be its own District. Why? Who says the state has to be divided equally?
Who cares about percentages?"It's not a fallacy, it's the law.
Congressional districts in the US need to have a relatively equal number of
people in each district.
Re: Pagan | 12:14 p.m. Aug. 31, 2011 Thank you for proving my point.
David Vitter doesn't represent Utah, Gov. Herbert isn't in prison, we're not up
to our eyeballs in debt . and Chappaquiddick Island is in Massachusetts. You're
giving me the giddy feeling that when compared with some of our more liberal
sister states we actually are angels.
Of course Matheson is being targeted, just like he was targeted in the
redistricting after the 2000 census. He's the only TRUE conservative Utah has
representing it (the rest are far right fringe dwellers, especially Lee, Bishop
and Chaffectz and, now, Hatch since he has started pandering to the far right
and the tea party). For the sake of the country, more people like Matheson are
I love all the "this does not bode well for the country" and "the
people of this state are the losers" assertions. What they
really are saying is "I'm in the minority and I'm not getting my way so I'm
going to whine about it!"I really love how things are
"unfair" just as soon as one finds themselves in the political
minority. I love how those in the political minority claim that actions taken by
the majority will make us a "laughing stock" to the rest of the
country. Of course we're not.I'm sure the left wing people in the
country dislike Utah politics because it is overwhelmingly conservative and the
right wing people in the country admire it. Just like the left wing utah
residents think california and new york are so great whereas the right wing utah
residents think both places are absolute holes.Well as one in the
political majority in this state I can tell you all I am glad you lefties are
upset. I don't want you to be in power here and ruin our state. I don't feel
sorry for you and I don't care if you whine. I like it here.
"Matheson told reporters ... at the University of Utah's Hinckley Institute
of Politics he "absolutely" can keep his seat no matter how the lines
are redrawn."Matheson is going to lose because he won't have a
town hall meeting with the people in his own district to discuss the issues and
how he votes. But he will go see the UofU students. I hope people remember this
when he's up for reelection! He's being a coward with his own people.
@Rifleman:Sheldon Killpack: DUI while IN office.Kevin
Garn: Hot tubbing with a naked teenage girl. (true this was before his office
time, nevertheless, his pals up there gave him a standing-O for doing it).Utah: Hypocrisy Elevated.
So, Matheson is afraid he may be one of the next to lose his Job during the BO
presidency...Get in Line Jim!
@ RanchHand"Sheldon Killpack: DUI while IN office."Mary Jo Kopechne died when Ted Kennedy drove off the bridge to Chappaquiddick
Island after a party. He forgot to call authorities about the accident until
the next day after someone else spotted the overturned car .... while he was IN
office.What's your point?