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New U.S. deportation policy raises questions about what was and what might be

Deported Utahn frustrated with timing of policy that may have kept him in U.S.

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  • RRB SLC, UT
    Aug. 19, 2011 5:24 p.m.

    According to the Wall Street journal, any person not deported will be eligible for work permits and compete with 22 million Americans who can't find a full-time job.

    Are we as a nation fed up with illegal immigration yet?

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Aug. 19, 2011 5:26 p.m.

    I guess that's the thing about making up your own rules for so long that no one knows what the real rules are.
    The rule of law is a shambles in this country with one politician trying to offer more de facto amnesty than another.
    Pandering to a voting bloc at the expense of the rest of us is a shame.
    The Church used to stand tall in favor of the rule of law. These days...not so much.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Aug. 19, 2011 5:42 p.m.

    As a society, when one group of people can change laws that are in effect illegally, we are doomed.

    Obama is acting like an illegal alien, ignoring the laws. What's next after immigration?

  • danaslc Kearns, UT
    Aug. 19, 2011 6:09 p.m.

    I guess it has to get a lot worse before people get up off their couches to take action against this kind of aggression against legal citizens of America. If congress wants to get off its rear ends and fight against this type of crime against America, I guess we have to wait until 2012. I am now not going to go anywhere near where they are being hired.

  • sally Kearns, UT
    Aug. 19, 2011 6:28 p.m.

    I read the article before I commented. "Entitlement" is the word that sums up this family. Is there something wrong with Argentina? If they are not happy in their home country, why would they be happy in the U.S.?

  • Kathy. Iowa, Iowa
    Aug. 19, 2011 6:35 p.m.

    Really really need to get Obama out of office.

  • Emophiliac Vernal, UT
    Aug. 19, 2011 7:06 p.m.

    With 9% unemployment of US citizens, it would seem like illegals would need to have a really good case for staying in the US, rather than to be deported. Why does it take more than a day or two to process an illegal and send them on their way? That is 300,000 illegals who could be on buses and slow boats to their homelands.

  • No One Of Consequence West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 19, 2011 7:21 p.m.

    Sounds like the long-unwritten policy of looking the other way has now been codified.

    In place of the rule of law we have the rule of rules.

    'Congress? We don't need no stinkin' Congress!'

  • Dektol Powell, OH
    Aug. 19, 2011 7:30 p.m.

    Anyone and everyone here illegally is a criminal. All should be prosecuted, fined, jailed and shipped out. Letting any of them stay is spitting on all those who are here legally and follow the law.

  • Linus Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 19, 2011 8:13 p.m.

    Just what is the constitutional purpose of the Executive Branch of the Federal Government? It is to enforce the law. Yet Obama and the Justice Department are on record of deciding which laws they feel like enforcing. The won't enforce the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), Don't Ask Don't Tell (DADT), nor Immigration Laws. We have an Executive Branch publicly in defiance of the Constitution. Shouldn't someone with standing sue to remove a president who has sworn to uphold the Constitution of the United States? We saw him swear; but he has openly violated his oath. Down with tyrants!

  • RantBully Bend, OR
    Aug. 19, 2011 8:40 p.m.

    "The Correas came to the United States legally in 2000 with the understanding that Correa's employer would help pave the way for residency. That didn't happen. Later petitions for asylum due to religious persecution in their native Argentina were denied. Misguided advice from attorneys kept them in country thinking immigration officials would reopen their case someday."

    At some point, the Correas made the decision to stay here illegally with or without the advice of a bad attorney. The advice should have been to obey, honor, and sustain the law of the United States. I know this is difficult to understand considering Obama doesn't do this, but that would have been the correct action for the Correas.

    If the immigration system is cleaned up where legal immigration is supported, and illegal immigration is stopped, then the Correas would not have been confused, misguided, and eventually deported.

    It is irrelevant that the Correas were making stained glass windows for LDS temples. I don't find anything in the LDS Church's policy on immigration that runs counter to deporting the Correas who were here illegally.

  • BYU Alum Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 19, 2011 8:56 p.m.

    Obama is not a king. An injunction will be filed in the courts to stop everything in its tracks. The Executive branch can't usurp the power of Congress. Obama now has an impeachable offense.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    Aug. 19, 2011 9:20 p.m.

    Claudio Correa was here illegally and working after his asylum hearing was denied, and his behavior was criminal. Whether the lawyer told him to stay illegally or not, he is responsible.

    I would not get my hopes up. Obama just jumped the shark. He is at his lowest approval rating ever and has made a last gasp effort. He cannot give an executive order and give out guest worker permits or make his own deportation laws. This will be in courts, fought in congress and protested by Americans.

    A guest worker (visa) has to take jobs that only Americans will not take, at a fair market wage, or is not available. That means that once made a guest worker, they have to abide by the law, and most will lose their jobs.

    The immigration and labor laws would have to be changed by congress. Do you think the House would approve? I don't.

    We are allowing people to steal our country and jobs. The middle east is not this countries biggest problem.

    Families that are legal/illegal are responsible for their actions, not the law. Birthright children can return at 18. They have the choice to stay together.

  • photographermom South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 19, 2011 9:46 p.m.

    Obama is well aware that even his party is jumping ship. He is quickly losing the Latino voters. This is nothing more than a desperate attempt at re election. Obama has been nothing but a huge disaster for this country.

  • CJ Murray, UT
    Aug. 19, 2011 11:28 p.m.

    Barack Obama will do anything to get more power or keep his current power. He has done nothing the last ten years but campaign for office and the state of our nation currently reflects it. This is nothing but a cheap trick designed to appease Hispanics in an effort to get their vote. He is hands down the most dishonest, despicable person ever to disgrace the oval office. We need to call our congressmen and senators on Monday and contact all the Presidential candidates and let them know that if they allow this to stand unchallenged we will seek their removal and defeat in the next election. We need to file suits, hold hearings ,and seek impeachment if necessary. Obama thinks he is a dictator who can override the will of the people whenever he doesn't like the outcome in Congress, he tramples on the constitution every day, he is a disgrace to the office.

  • On the other hand Spanish Fork, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 1:03 a.m.

    I feel badly for the Correas. They did everything in their power to become legal residents, including coming here by legal means. During their time here, they created jobs rather than taking them; they paid taxes; and they made a positive contribution to American society. That's more than can be said of many of the people criticizing them.

    I find it ironic that Sally concluded the Correas feel "entitled" to what America had to offer them (never mind that they worked hard for everything they had). It's been my impression that most Americans feel a ridiculous sense of entitlement simply because they were born here. They think they deserve good employment, good housing, good sanitation, good medical care, good transportation, good food, good education, good shopping, and even reasonably good government. But apparently what's good for the American goose is no good for the Argentine gander.

    Don't tell me about legalities and articles of faith. Tell me how it's okay that an outstanding, upstanding family comes here legally and makes every possible attempt to get permanent residency but gets shafted again and again and finally gets kicked out. What about that makes you proud to be an American?

  • hagar Doylestown, PA
    Aug. 20, 2011 1:23 a.m.

    The Utah Compact crowd of amnesty lovers must be dancing in the streets. No more deported branch presidents?

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 2:45 a.m.

    They did not do everything right. They came here 10 years ago on a visa, they then applied for an extension, when it was running out, they applied for asylum, After numerous efforts to stay and being denied for asylum an immigration judge ultimately denied their request and subsequent appeal in 2006. This resulted in a self deportation order.

    They moved from Iowa to Utah and worked here for four years where they were finally found and deported. This is public record.

    Most people facing deportation will apply for asylum. It gives them an extra two to four years here as it goes through the courts.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 4:50 a.m.

    Obama spoke at a La Raza conference and told the crowd that he was considering making new law himself (that is without Congress or the American people). One of the few times he has told the truth. Does anyone doubt his true position which is a commie?

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 5:02 a.m.

    Staying after their 2006 asylum request (one of several) and ignoring the deportation orders, was illegal. If the lawyer told them to stay in the country, he and they knew they were under deportation orders, why else would he tell them that.

    We have millions of people that try to come here each year. Our country can only take so many. That's why insisting on everyone following the law has to be mandatory for all. After we do that, then we can tackle the individual problems.

    Someone tell Morton that people here illegally can't serve in the military.

  • T-Jeff Uinta Basin, Utah
    Aug. 20, 2011 5:05 a.m.

    We used to have peace officers and now we have paramilitary units. We have a Commander-in-Chief that picks and choses which laws he will enforce. We have Justices that base their decisions on their political ideology instead of rooting them in law and past precedence. I predict we are in for some tough, unsettled times ahead due to the loss of respect for the law.

  • DCMaughan Grantsville, Utah
    Aug. 20, 2011 5:42 a.m.

    On the other hand:
    If the US immigration laws had been upheld and enforced all along; the country not having to deal with so many illegal immigrants clogging the system, perhaps the Correa family and other like them following the rules and doing thing legally would have their US citizenship.
    I do not believe we are saying we do not want or like immigrants in Utah or the US we are simply saying we want them here legally.

  • Timj South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 6:28 a.m.

    "I don't find anything in the LDS Church's policy on immigration that runs counter to deporting the Correas who were here illegally."

    Then you're not paying attention to what the LDS Church says. The church has stated recently that it supports allowing illegal immigrants to stay and work here legally. Glad to see that Obama agrees with the LDS Church.

  • vcsheffield Iowa City, IA
    Aug. 20, 2011 6:29 a.m.

    President Obama is doing the right thing and I raise my voice in support of his compassionate policy decision. I know many undocumented aliens and the vast vast majority are great people that I am proud to know. The President's policy is logical and gives many good people a chance for a better life. There is nothing illegal about the policy and Obama is no more going against the rule of law than was Abraham Lincoln when he emancipated the slaves.

  • vcsheffield Iowa City, IA
    Aug. 20, 2011 6:46 a.m.

    Monitor: This comment is not a duplicate because the original was not posted for some reason!

    President Obama is doing the right thing and I raise my voice in support of his compassionate policy decision. I know many undocumented aliens and the vast vast majority are great people that I am proud to know. The President's policy is logical and gives many good people a chance for a better life. There is nothing illegal about the policy and Obama is no more going against the rule of law than was Abraham Lincoln when he emancipated the slaves.

  • donquixote84721 Cedar City, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 7:03 a.m.

    I believe that the real problem is that people in these countries need to follow the example of Egypt and throw out the oppressive government of their home countries, rather than come to the United States and try to remake this country into their old country. I believe that we are all children of the same God, and all deserve to be free to govern ourselves. People that flee an oppressive government do nothing to help those they leave behind.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 8:37 a.m.

    And now the folks at the NCLR convention are chanting, "Yes he did! Yes he did!"

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 8:50 a.m.

    Obama's de fact "amnesty by executive fiat" is a clear overturning of our very foundation that we respect the rule of law.

    Now it does not matter what laws Congress has passed, as Obama can choose which he will obey, while we citizens do not have that luxury.

    This is the sort of tyrannical behavior exhibited by the likes of Hugo Chavez or Fidel Castro, not a President of the United States.

    This is but the latest step in a series of actions which have the effect of destroying the very foundations of our country's economic, military, political and social structure.

    I do not know that they can be proven to be high crimes and misdemeanors which could result in impeachment, but I do know that our nation is in grave danger from Obama's abuse of power

  • 1UScitizen West Valley City, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 9:26 a.m.

    Wow...some of the strange things people print here ! Some folks like "On the other hand" seem to have a very strange sence of honor. on th eone hand(no pun intended)this person speaks of how much good this family has done..about creating jobs, paying taxes etc.on the other hand...couldn't a U.S. citizen have done the same ? this family saw that they weren't going to get an extension...and chose to run instead of doing the honest thing and going back to Argentina...and spent 4 more years in the country illegally. this means they..and anyone who helped them violated umpteen different laws over that period. how is this moral ?...and as far as how proud I am to be an American...not-so-much ...not these days. when our government chooses to pocket ill gotten corporate funds that future generations will be paying for using tax dollars,and illegally makes offers to foreign people that take work from citizens...that..is a problem ! why isn't it immoral for them to undercut U.S. wages and leave 10% of this country out of work ? where is your loyalty.."on the other hand" ?

  • Brer Rabbit Spanish Fork, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 10:48 a.m.

    Why have rules (laws) or a Constitution if Obama is just going to ignore them? Why import poverty into the United States? We already have enough of that. Why bring in imported cheap labor and flood the unskilled labor market? Aren't the wages of the American working poor already depressed enough? Not everyone can be a lawyer, teacher, accountant, etc. Which is worse, exporting manufacturing jobs, or importing the cheap labor? I say importing cheap labor is worse, because taxpayers get stuck with the subsidized social costs, but if the jobs are exported taxpayers aren't stuck with the social costs.

  • BobP Port Alice, B.C.
    Aug. 20, 2011 11:15 a.m.

    Isn't it amazing that one LDS Article of Faith (12th) seems to have supplanted all other Christian teachings of our faith.

    I think if Our Savior Himself told us to let them stay, these Pharisees would call again to crucify Him.

  • Gary Federal Way, WA
    Aug. 20, 2011 12:35 p.m.

    The vast majority of articles amaze me showing a woeful lack of empathy and understanding shows what this people (who have wanted to become legal) have become in our country. All the article is about is allowing mercy on those that aren't hurting anyone. Many people deported were working and serving society with good things AND paying their taxes happily. The economy rolls well with more people, not less. There may be a few bad apples, but on the most part, most of these people that were being deported or going to be are actually an asset to our country. We should be glad that the administration is allowing the good people to stay and give them a chance and deport only the troublemakers. It's good policy and saves money and allows people and government to focus on the trouble makers. Isn't that what you want when it comes to showing a heart to people that have been good in your communities and to get rid of the real troublemakers. Our immigration law is in a shambles and has been for years, even during Republican years. It needs to be revamped and politics keeps getting in the way.

  • lawenforcementfromAZ Glendale, AZ
    Aug. 20, 2011 12:53 p.m.

    This move by Obama was purely political. Further, it means that over 300,000 illegal immigrants will be able to legally work in the US, thus displacing more legal US citizens.

    When I was an active duty law enforcement official, if I totally disregarded a significant law, I would be terminated.

    Obama needs to be fired before further damage is caused to our once great nation.

  • MormonDem Provo, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 12:57 p.m.

    How is it that Obama is more in line with the Brethren on this issue than virtually all of Utah (and 90% of DN readers)?

  • dlw7 LOGAN, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 12:59 p.m.

    If you do not enter this country thru correct channels, you are illegal. If you paid for false ID, that is illegal. If you make up your own Social Security, that is illegal. Illegal means you are guilty of an infraction of the law and should pay the penalty (deportation) if you are caught. What is so difficult to understand? If I chose to file a false Income Tax form to get a bigger refund and got caught, you can bet I would be punished. What is the difference?

  • MormonDem Provo, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 1:22 p.m.

    I find it amazing that so many folks who now cry bloody murder at _anything_ Obama does, claiming that he's destroying the country, sat idly by, electing and re-electing Bush II, overlooking his infamous "signing statements," the shameful Valerie Plame affair, the conviction of Scooter Libby, the doubling of the national debt, the bungling of Katrina, the missing WMDs, and so on....

    ...but only NOW, when the President they hate so much, takes a commonsense approach to a complex issue (an approach that still results in far more deportations than his predecessor), they say it's the end of the world and he should be impeached.

    It's an outrageous double standard. Actually, it's not even a double standard: Obama's not held to a higher standard than Bush II, rather, whatever he does is inherently evil to these folks. He catches Osama? Haters turn it into a bad thing. He increases deportations? Haters turn it into a bad thing. He proposes tax cuts as part of the stimulus? Bad when he does it. Individual mandate? Doesn't matter if it was a GOP idea originally, it's Obama's now, which makes it bad.

    Hate is strong and mocks the song...

  • KM Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 3:08 p.m.

    Obama asked a question before enacting back door amnesty for illegals. That question was...how many more votes can I get if I do this?

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 3:39 p.m.

    Last Winter one of the Obama administration and a Democrat Congressman appeared on the Greta Van Sustern TV show and openly stated it is Obama's intent to not deport the illegal aliens and wants to grant them amnesty so they will be able to vote. He wants to set this in place by this fall and right now he is ahead of schedule.

    Sadly so much of the nation (especially those under 30) never watch news or such shows and as a result are uninformed voters. Also the major networks never reported on this issue. They claim the news is too negative or too one-sided. If we do not speak up then nothing will change. What has happened to the quality of reporters which broke the Watergate and other such news?

    We are marching down a similar path to what happened when Hitler took over Germany. I am no comparing Obama to Hitler, just comparing the path that is now occurring for one man to dramatically change the course of History for the worse.

  • John Jackson Sandy, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 3:48 p.m.

    Why take pleasure in the Correas deportation? They seemed to be good people, willing to work, and respect others. Why the glee that they were deported? They came legally, but their legal status was lost and -- while they were fighting to retain that status -- they fell into one of the most hated statuses in our society: "illegal aliens." When their paperwork fell out of order, they became what many of the above commenters treat as enemies of the state. Why should good, honest, working people be so treated? These are not people who are a threat to our society. These are good people, not enemies of the state. There might be insurgents out there. There surely are terrorists. But if we are so misguided that we cannot see that these people are not insurgents and terrorists, if we view these people as an "invasion" that will cripple our society, we are confusing our friends with our enemies. America? A real "America" does not go after good people and strip them of their rights (an it doesn't say they don't have any) and put them on slow boats out of the country.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 4:45 p.m.

    I'm sure there are a lot of really nice people that break our laws. Being really nice does not excuse a person from breaking the law. Nor does paying taxes excuse one from the responsibility to follow the law.

    How many times on the news have we heard people talk about a neighbor that committed a serious crime, and say "he was really nice, always helping others". Should we just excuse lawbreakers if they follow these simple rules.

    Be nice people and pay taxes. And you don't have to follow the laws.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 5:10 p.m.

    I am appalled at the people who keep claiming that illegal immigration doesn't hurt anyone. Saying it over and over doesn't make it so. When you ask for compassion for those here illegally, you are asking for a lack of compassion for those who's ID's have been stolen, have lost their job, have paid their taxes and subsidized the dishonest business man, and have hurt those waiting overseas to come here legally.

    Calling for compassion should include the honest, hard working legal people who love their neighbor enough to do things right.

    Obama is not acting for the countries good. He caved to a special interest group.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    Aug. 20, 2011 5:46 p.m.

    I'm sure the Salt Lake Chamber is very happy over this. 22 million Americans out of work, and we are giving jobs to foreign citizens, in our own cities.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 5:53 p.m.

    The confusion isn't limited to the illegal alien community.
    Many lifetime members of the LDS Church are convinced that our leaders would be more likely to support the pleas of illegal aliens marching on May Day than celebrating Law Day with a First Presidency statement. Much has changed in 35 years; but has it been for the better?

  • Candidate Jackson Sandy, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 6:07 p.m.

    Some may be pleased the Correas were deported, as a law was broken and they feel they deserved it. Should we, though, want to get rid of these people? I speak only of people like the Correas, good-hearted, willing to work, lovers of good. I am not defending terrorists or insurgents or murderers or thieves. But the good -- even when they fail in efforts to keep papers in order that allow them to be here -- should we not forgive them? Call it amnesty, if you will, but forgiveness is what it is, also. We need not worry about an invasion of them. We need not worry about rule of law being lost, any more than we worry about it being lost when smokers smoke at door entrances or people throw aerasol cans in the common garbage. It will not ruin our economy, or our society, if we let good people live amongst us. Fight the drug runners who come, and the lawless, but do not brand these people as lawless, though they are here without our permission. Some things can be forgiven, and ought to be.

  • CJ Murray, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 6:51 p.m.

    @vcsheffield

    Comparing Barck Obama and illegal aliens to Abraham Lincoln and the emancipation of the slaves is a stretch to say the least. Obama shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as Lincoln for any reason, its kind of like comparing Jimmy Carter and George Washington. Comparing illegal aliens who break the law, come here illegally, steal jobs, close hospitals, loot the national treasury, and bankrupt the country with black slaves who were brought here against their will and sold in slave markets similar to livestock is not only naive but outrageous, and insulting. I suggest you think about what you are saying next time, if I were the descendant of an African slave I would consider your comparison of illegal aliens to my ancestors, who know the meaning of oppression, as totally laughable and ludicrous.

  • Noodlekaboodle Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 7:39 p.m.

    @cj
    You could compare President Obama to Reagan though......

  • CJ Murray, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 8:20 p.m.

    Noodlekaboodle,

    Yeah we might compare Reagan and Obama,, (joke I presume). A better comparison might be Obama and Lenin or Obama and Karl Marx or better yet,,,, Obama and any current leader of a European Socialist nation on the verge of bankruptcy and in need of bailout but trying to spend more money in the meantime.

  • vcsheffield Iowa City, IA
    Aug. 20, 2011 8:59 p.m.

    @CJ:
    My friend, I was not comparing Obama to Lincoln, I was comparing the fact that the emancipation proclamation was an executive order that was highly criticized by many and considered by some to be illegal. Read the posts here to see that many feel that Obama making this policy statement on deportation (or lack thereof) is illegal. My point is that it is no more illegal than executive orders in the past (like the emancipation proclamation). That said, many illegals were brought to this country as children through no fault of there own. In many cases, the children's parents were encouraged to come to work in the fields. Of note, some members of my immediate family are descendants of African slaves and they don't take offense at my statement.
    P.S. Jimmy Carter won the Nobel Peace Prize, a well deserved accomplishment.

  • Go West Kearns, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 9:46 p.m.

    "What if the Obama administration had allowed illegal immigrants facing deportation a chance to stay in the country 10 months earlier?"

    What if this VIP illegal immigrant who is featured in this article never broke the law by coming here in the first place? Chile is a relatively good country compared to others down there.

  • Sunna CALGARY, Alberta
    Aug. 20, 2011 11:22 p.m.

    "Noodlekaboodle," I am from Europe and I am not aware of European Socialist countries. Tell me their names. Socialism used to be communism.

    I am curious to know what jobs the illegals or foreigners like some call them are taking from Americans. You usually have to qualify for "good Jobs" and that would include showing work permits etc.

    My family and I lived in the USA for five years with green cards no one helped us to get. We did it legally on our own. We did not get any free rides from the government. So I am curious as to what free rides these illegals get!?

    I do not live in the USA anymore because we had to move to get affordable health care elsewhere despite paying hundreds of dollar each year for health insurance in the USA.

    I do agree people need to make sure they get legal work permits and permanent residency.