Still can't bring yourselves to mention Ron Paul, huh? How much more do we have
to hear about Jon Huntsman, when he continues to poll about 2% nationally? Ron
Paul has begun to poll in the double digits and his support is increasing. Rick
Perry is just another establishment/GWB type Republican. End the wars, balance
the budget, restore sound money policy to the U.S. Ron Paul 2012
Perry-Rubio 2012!Ron Paul? Sorry, he is too far out on the fringe
to be taken seriously.
No one currently in the race can beat Pres. Obama. Each of these candidates
carries way too much baggage. Just a statement of fact.
@DN SubscriberIndeed, looking for an end to these wars and balancing the
budget does make one fringe these days. Conservatives who call for a balanced
budget have to realize that the only way achieve it is with some serious cuts to
defense spending. Ron Paul predicted the housing crisis of 2008 and was right
about the collapse of Freddie Mae and Fannie Mac. He understands economics and
knows that both the Republicans and Democrats have contributed to the debt
crisis. Also some may view it as such, liberty is not a "fringe"
idea, and has not been over the course of American History. The support for Ron
Paul is growing as more Americans realize that endless spending, rather for
welfare or warfare, will put our grandchildren in bongdage. I'm voting my
conscience and my wallet and they both say Ron Paul.
@ Richard Saunders. The loyalty of Ron Paul supporters had me somewhat
interested until I heard him in the debate on Thursday Night. He is way too
extreme, and I find I don't agree with 80% of what he stands for. 20% good
isn't good enough for most Republicans. Although I don't think he is precisely
nuts, he did come across as a little nutty. But, you go a head and support him.
I liked him better when I didn't know anything about him.
Say Mr. Saunders, give us some examples of the baggage Ron Paul might be
carrying. Let's look at his voting record. Do you see anything unconstitutional
he might have voted for? Oh, and Rick Perry (Mr. Gardasil) in Feb 2007 requiring
young girls to be vaccinated with a cancer causing agent, not to mention he was
working for Al Gore's election campaign. Your right about the baggage that the
other candidates carry, but Ron Paul is the only one who openly talks about
bringing back Constitutional principles (as if a good newly elected president
could get rid of the corrupt globalists in every nook-and-cranny), but let's
hope the sparks of freedom and individual soveriegnty from such a win will blaze
in every American heart...
It seems that the DesNews staff has no idea how to assess or write about Ron
Paul in their stories . . . so they just don't. That's a serious dis-service to
their readers - both in Utah and worldwide.Ron Paul has a sizable
following in Utah and amongst the LDS nationally. Ron Paul is the best match
for my values and political viewpoints. I'm LDS, I'm active in the Utah
Republican party as a precinct chair, and I know dozens of others in my area who
are similarly active in local politics who have spent the last four years coming
to understand why Congressman Paul is far and away the best candidate.It's clear to me that none of the other candidates have the knowledge,
experience, and understanding that Paul does. A number of the candidates are
more telegenic -- and as a Paul fan, I'll admit that I wish he could somehow
learn a thing or two from polished candidates like Romney in presenting to an
audience that might not have the same depth of background on a particular
political question -- but Paul is right on the most issues. He's has the vision
America needs to implement.
Ron Paul is particularly popular with the crystal-meth crowd. He advocates
doing away with drug control laws. The meth-heads think he's next to God. Bachman and Perry both have the same baggage. They are religious
extremists. When things go wrong in Texas, Perry holds a prayer vigil.
Bachman supports bringing back strict Biblical law. Their positions will never
fly in states where sane, rational people outnumber the flakes. They will win
in the same states that Huckabee won in.
MMatchette: "Oh, and Rick Perry (Mr. Gardasil) in Feb 2007 requiring young
girls to be vaccinated with a cancer causing agent,"For the
record, Gardasil is an effective vaccination _against_ a disease (HPV) that
causes cancer in women, and there is _zero_ medical evidence that it ever has or
could cause cancer. I think Mr. Perry would be a disaster as president, but his
executive order as governor regarding Gardasil vaccinations was good public
policy.MMatchette's comment is the GOP's biggest problem in a
nutshell - a significant percentage of GOP voters are deeply irrational and
belligerently ignorant, and GOP candidates know that unless they can appeal to
the crowd who think the world is flat they won't get their campaigns off the
ground.Thus we are left with Bob Bennett's convention defeat and the
completely nuts Michelle Bachmann winning the Iowa straw poll.
In trying to determine which candidate one should support, I suggest that you go
to their official websites (simply Google "Candidates name" for
president) and spend some time looking at the Issues they have listed there or
don't have listed.I did that yesterday comparing Michelle Bachmann
and Ron Paul. I like Michel and was encouraged by some of her answers on the
debate. However, her statements about National Security on her website could be
written by the most liberal Democrat. I have written her asking for a more
concise and specific explanation of just what she would do as president. Of all the websites I have visited (Romney, Huntsman & others) the
past few weeks, Ron Paul's website gives me the best specific answers as to what
he would do as president.While debates are fun perhaps, they are NOT
a good way to determine who you should vote for. The questions are
"loaded" and I thank Newt Gingrich for pointing that out -
"Mickey Mouse" indeed. Americans need to realize that the mainstream
media has its own agenda, even "Faux News"! They are "News
Makers", not news reporters. Find out specifically what they
would do as president. Ask THEM!
Ron Paul has merits but he like Bachman is unelectable. He might be a great vp
for someone though who wants the conservative vote.Rick Perry is a
Bushalike which will go against him by informed voters. He has sat as govenor
in Texas while the state has raked in billions in petroleum royalties. It is
not hard to spend when you have lots of money. Even though Texas
has plenty of funds they have not been spent educationg their people or bringing
technology to lift its residents in any meaningful way. He has more or less
blown the money his state has been given. If this sounds familiar it is. The
change we need in Washington is not spelled Perry.
Concerning the HPV vaccination - abstinence remains the best way to prevent
infection. A vaccine is a medical tool, but should not be MANDATORY. So much
for Perry being against big government.By the way, why is no one
mentioning that Michele Bachmann is originally from Iowa? Wining the Iowa straw
poll proves very little for her.
There is no strong candidate stepping forward. I admire Paul. He is one of the
most sincere and consistent politicians of the day. I am not a supporter and
would never vote for him but think his voice has been an important
contribution.Romney has displayed a willingness to say whatever he
thinks his crowd wants to hear. His integrity is a serious issue and will become
a bigger issue as time goes on. His use of his son's address for voting purposes
was unacceptable.Bachmann won't hold up to scrutiny and, in the end,
voters want someone they think can win the big race. She's not it.Perry is charismatic, good looking and will draw broader support than Bachmann
or Paul. I think he will overtake Romney. He's not well-regarded by many in his
own party - often critical of his intellect. I don't think that will matter to
most primary voters and many of the big-money groups will actually like that.I like Huntsman. I think he is rational, moderate and effective. While
that would be enough in the general, it's not enough in the primaries.Does anyone else believe Palin will still announce?
Doug10, I'd be interested to hear why you find Ron Paul
"unelectable". That same charge has been made, quite compellingly,
against nearly every eventual successful Presidential candidate. Amongst many
pundits in 2007, the neophyte Obama was considered surely 'unelectable' despite
many admitted "merits".Paul is certainly electable to
Federal office. He has won re-election dozens of times in his home district
despite well-funded and organized opposition campaigns run by many of the best
politically connected and elite in hardball politics in Texas.Many
of the most traditional polling organizations have been noting that surprising
"electability" this go round. Rasmussen, for instance, was surprised
to see Paul and Romney emerge as the *most* electable candidates in their large
and detailed national sampling poll they completed a couple of weeks ago. This
certainly wasn't the case for Paul four years ago.Paul's merits are
worth considering in greater detail. His alleged "fringe" claims
deserve additional research. Four years ago, I found myself liking many of
Paul's conclusions but stunned by some of his more unlikely sounding supporting
claims. I've researched a number of those and found that Paul is often the best
informed and 'wisest' candidate on the stage.
The article says to expect Huntsman to drop out soon. I don't expect him to drop
out until he has taken enough votes away from Romney so that someone else wins
the bid. I bet he isn't interested in Presidency '12 but VP '12. That is why he
attacks Romney and no other candidate-- he knows Romney would never pick him as
VP, but if he plays it right he may have a chance at VP.
For all of you Utahns commenting on Perry:If you know anyone in
Texas, please ask them what they think of Perry. Pertinent accurate points made
in this discussion are:1) Mandating that every girl over 12 be
vaccinated with Gardasil was NOT good public policy, and was overturned by the
constituency with which he is out of touch.2) Perry has been the fortunate
resident during a great period of economic growth in Texas. While his ads say
he "oversaw the greatest job growth in America in the last 2 years",
they rightly stop short of taking credit for it. Texas' business-friendly
climate pre-dates Perry. The only claim he can lay on economic prosperity in
Texas is that his approach is laissez-faire. In doing nothing, he didn't make
it worse (the same cannot be said of Mr. Obama.)3) He is GWB-like. He is
part of the Good-ol-boy, Oil-friendly, none-too-intelligent Texan political
network.Romney might do well to bring him on as a VP, as he is more
conservative than Romney, but to vote for Rick Perry for President woulod be an
egregious error.Ask a Texan.
@PagenRon Paul's true position is that it should be left at the state
level, so there would be no risk of it being legal here in Utah. But the point
he made in the debate was that people don't use heroin because it's stupid, not
because it's illegal. Ask someone if they would use heroin if it were legal.
"Oh, not me, using drugs is stupid." So is it just the others who
need government help to make good choices?Pagen, I would think you
would like Ron Paul. He has been the most consistent voice against the wars,
against ALL the wars and would bring our troops home. He believes in protecting
the rights of individuals, and not trying to enforce what we may consider
'moral' behavior through legislation. Please don't be so quick to marginalize
your greatest ally on the right when it comes to foreign policy and civil
liberties. (He has always opposed the Patriot Act). Ron Paul is one of the few
Republicans that will recognize what his party has contributed to the debt. He
is a consistent and clear voice in defense of the Constitution.
I feel that we need either Mitt Romney or Herman Cain because they both have
worked in the Private Sector for years and know how to create Jobs as well as to
fix the economy. This is what this country needs right now. Not someone who is
so right wing and nutty to run this country. They all have issues because guess
what they are Human Beings who change their minds on things or do things that
might not be right at times. Just like all of the rest of us. We need to think
on who can beat Obama so that he does not have four more years to destroy our
Country. Then we need someone who can get us out of this mess that we are facing
with those who can not find jobs or those who are being underpaid. We need Mitt
or Herman as simple as that.
@Pagen "Our troops are already coming home"When are they
coming home from Korea? When are we closing our hundreds of bases around the
world? Has Obama talked about that?"31 US troops, mostly elite
Navy SEALs, killed in Afghanistan" -msnbc.comEnd of 'combat
operations' does not mean the end of deaths. Look past the party line and see
there is only one anti-war candidate running for president in 2012. You have
stated previously that you do not agree with Obama on Libya. You are probably
much closer to Ron Paul on that point. At least give him credit for that.
'When are they coming home from Korea?' - Richard Saunders | 4:03 p.m. Aug. 15,
2011 You want to hold a current, sitting Democratic president
accountable in 2011... for a war that ended...in 1953? I
will grant you that Obama IS the president, but the GOP has blocked over 139
peices of legislation... *'Hatch, Republicans challenge tax cut
expiration' - By Becky Bruce, Deseret News - 12/01/10 'WASHINGTON,
D.C. Republicans in the U.S. Senate are drawing a line in the virtual sand,
vowing to keep all legislation off the Senate floor unless Congress extends the
Bush-era tax cuts...' I mean, did you SEE the healthcare debate? People are STILL calling Obama names. *'Newt Gingrich
Slammed For Saying Obama May Hold 'Kenyan, Anti-Colonial' Worldview' - By Sam
Stien - Huffington Post - 11/12/10 Sorry, but bringing troops home
from wars started in 2001... can be a good prep for a war that
ended... 58 years ago, in my opinion. And that, is what
Obama is doing. Ending wars that Ron Paul's party started and left
for OTHERS to finish.
One way one might consider picking a candidate is to look at who the main stream
(liberal) media is ignoring.Why are they ignoring the 2nd place
winner in the Iowa Straw Poll? Only 152 votes short of first place 27.7%
compared with 28.6% for Bachmann.The 2011 Iowa Straw Poll was held
on August 13, 2011, at the Hilton Coliseum in Ames, Iowa.Sources of
results: Washington ExaminerPlace Candidate Votes Percentage1
Michele Bachmann 4,823 28.6%2 Ron Paul 4,671 27.7%3 Tim Pawlenty
2,293 13.6%14 Rick Santorum 1,657 9.8%5 Herman Cain 1,456 8.6%6 Rick Perry (write-in)2 718 4.3%7 Mitt Romney3 567 3.4%8 Newt
Gingrich 385 2.3%9 Jon Huntsman 69 0.4%10 Thaddeus McCotter 35
0.2% Scattering 162 1.0%Total 16,892 100%Interesting
that Rick Perry as a write in beat both of the Mormons.
So, Blue, Be Blue. Being on the wrong side of things makes one Blue.