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  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 10:38 a.m.

    Pac 12 after Texas and Oklahoma.

    ...... and the rich get richer.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Aug. 12, 2011 10:58 a.m.

    My guess Texas, OK, Okst, and Texas Tech move to the PAC12.

    Of course Dr. Chris Hill would have to vote on such matters seeing that the Utes are already a memeber of the PAC12. But I'm sure he see's it as a good idea.

    Oh, it's great to be a UTE!!

  • Portland Trail Blazers Sandy, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 11:01 a.m.

    I just can't see Texas going to the Pac 12.

    I think they would try to give invites to the BIG XII before going to the Pac 12.

    BYU, Air Force, TCU, Houston, Rice would all be great schools in the BIG XII.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Aug. 12, 2011 11:07 a.m.

    "Texas AD DeLoss Dodds is on record as saying he is against independence."

    But I thought independent is such a great thing, just ask any BYU fan. But what does Texas know right.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Aug. 12, 2011 11:17 a.m.

    "BYU, Air Force, TCU, Houston, Rice would all be great schools in the BIG XII."

    Jail Blazer,

    How does this help Oklahoma, OK St. or Texas Tech? I'd think the Oklahoma President would see USC,Oregon,UCLA and Stanford as a better package and the money isn't even close.

    Further more, future BIG12 TV contracts would be cut in half based on your line up.

    Again, Oklahoma will be looking out for themselves....heloooo pac 12.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 11:42 a.m.

    At this point I don't know how this won't happen. The Pac-16 will be a reality within the next year but possibly the next month.
    Almost guaranteed to be Texas/Texas Tech as a combo and Oklahoma/Oklahoma State as the other.
    The benefits far out-weigh the risks for those teams if there even are any risks. Texas would of course be the only caveat to that statement but if reports that they don't want to be Independent are true then this thing is all but done if A&M goes to the SEC.
    Now seriously though folks, this from a Ute fan, don't we all wish that a Pac-16 would've included BYU instead of Colorado? It would've kept the natural conference rivalry alive and both schools would be part of the greatest conference in the country!

  • Portland Trail Blazers Sandy, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 11:51 a.m.

    Hedgie,

    Oklahoma goes where Texas goes.

    Texas and so will Oklahoma, will stay in the Big XII.

    Mark it down, hedgehog!

  • uteowl Sunnyvale, CA
    Aug. 12, 2011 11:51 a.m.

    Texas in the PAC-? Hmmmm. Larry Scott stated that as long as UT has their Longhorn network the discussion is dead. What kind of deal could be renegotiated with networks with Texas in the mix? Would it be enough to get UT to drop their own network to be part of the PAC-?

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 12:02 p.m.

    Portland Trail Blazers -

    "Oklahoma goes where Texas goes."

    I totally agree...and it will be to the Pac-16. The only way it doesn't happen is if A&M doesn't take off for the SEC.

    So as you told hedgehog, mark it down.

  • Pac12Utes Up on the Hill, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 12:54 p.m.

    Last time around, Texas went to bat for Baylor. I wonder if Texas recieves an invite to the Pac-12 if thats one of their conditions. If so, that deal should die. Baylor isn't even good enough to be in the MWC.

  • Parry is a Farce Layton, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 12:59 p.m.

    Independence was viable for BYU because the WAC and WCC were viable options for their Olympic sports. Texas has no such viable option and that is why the Texas AD is against independence.

    If A&M goes to the SEC and the PAC can work out something with the Longhorn Network, I think within a year or 2 there will be four 16-team super conferences. The PAC-16 , the SEC (with A&M, maybe Missouri, and a couple good ACC football schools), The ACC (which adds the best remaining of the Big East), and the Big Ten (which finally gets Notre Dame and some of the NE schools like Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, or maybe Missouri).

    That could be very bad for BYU. But if nothing can be worked out concerning the Longhorn Network, the Big 12 will have to add (not Rice or Air Force) teams to maintain and that might work to BYUs advantage.

    Several times over the past 20 years, it has seemed like the dominoes were lined up and ready to fall. They started but never really got going. Maybe this time they will, and maybe not. Either way, it will be interesting.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 1:05 p.m.

    "don't we all wish that a Pac-16 would've included BYU instead of Colorado?"

    Not really. For the same reasons Texas A&M wants to distance itself from Texas by joining another conference even though they have been long time rivals and are located in the same state, Utah wants to put some distance between itself and BYU.

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    Aug. 12, 2011 1:31 p.m.

    @motorbike

    It is quite possible--no, highly likely--that BYU didn't want to be part of the PAC10, 12, or 16--that they really did and do prefer independence. As a
    BYU fan, I don't want my team and my school to be part of that league. We all know how proud the Utes are for being invited to sit at what they consider the adult table, but BYU has its own brand and its own destiny. While BYU would be a better fit with the Big 12, one should also not assume that they still wouldn't prefer independence. A school with a national following, its own world class broadcasting capability, big-league athletic facilities and a truly "storied" sports program will soon prove that it doesn't need a league affiliation to be highly successful. Ute fans should enjoy their temporary euphoria over getting a fairly ugly date and a pretty corsage and hope they get a real rose someday. And, as far as rivalries are concerned, you are welcome to Colorado. You probably won't need a blown call and a blocked punt to beat them.

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    Aug. 12, 2011 1:33 p.m.

    Correction: It was a blocked field goal, not a blocked punt. How soon we forget!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Aug. 12, 2011 1:52 p.m.

    If Scott wants to make another run at Texas, I hope he MANDATES the Pac-12's policy of "equal sharing", and ensures that Texas knows who's running the show. And that would be the Pac-12; not Texas. Texas had been demonstrated themselves to be a non-team player primadonna. If Texas wants to be part of the Pac, then Texas needs to follow the same rules, standards, and conduct as the rest of us.

    I think that ideally -- assuming Texas can learn how to be a team player conference member that is -- I would be in favor of adding Texas and Oklahoma. Texas Tech would be okay, but that would require another team to balance out the conference. Just not Oklahoma State or Baylor, and DEFINITELY not the Y.

  • Alterego Ogden, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 1:58 p.m.

    So is the 12 pac going to concede Texas' LHN and the right for the university to broadcast whatever it wants?

    If Texas joins the 12 pac will the other members concede that now Texas' wants, wishes and opinions hold controlling weight for the direction of the conference? Will Oregon, Stanford, Cal, USC and the rest all accede in matters that ATM would not?

    What will not change is Utah's role as the "Rebecca Black" of 12 pac.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 3:04 p.m.

    Texas aint moving nowhere! HOOKEM!!!

  • Flame of the West Southern, Cali
    Aug. 12, 2011 3:13 p.m.

    re Dutchman: 'Utah wants to put some distance between itself and BYU.'

    Kind of like the distance between yourself and that next door prospect you couldn't get a date with and still can't even after you joined the sweater club...

  • Go_Utes111 MIDVALE, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 3:49 p.m.

    Yep just like we couldn't get a date with Langi right?

  • Chiro Portland, OR
    Aug. 12, 2011 3:59 p.m.

    Pac12 has already explored the possiblity of adding the TLN to their 6 networks per other articles on cbs. Which Texas would be happy with because in the end they would get more money with the PAC16 tv deal then on their own.

    People in Texas are mad that Washington state gets more money then Texas in the current arragement.

    The longhorn network would just have to include texas tech. That would be great for taking Utah's 30 million and putting up to 40+ million. Then the Pac-16 would add one more for network for Oklahoma and Oklahoma state

    The rich truly get richer

    Pac-16 West
    USC
    UCLA
    Oregon
    Oregon State
    Washington
    Washington state

    Pac-16 East
    Utah
    Colorado
    Texas
    Texas Tech
    Oklahoma
    Oklahoma State
    Arizona
    ASU

    Would love it and so would each of those teams........
    Four super conferences here we come.....

  • Alpha Chicken Orem, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 4:05 p.m.

    Gchris. Not only were you mistaken about the "blocked punt" but you are also mistaken about the blown call. That was actually in the BYU vs. SDSU game. Remember, in that one, all of the officials were reprimanded and the BYU dude in the booth got canned because of the BLOWN CALL. But yes, you are correct about "how soon we forget". Bet you really want to forget about that one huh?

  • ClassyUte SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 4:18 p.m.

    @gchris

    Dude, BYU, as well as every other non-AQ school would jump at any opportunity to join a BCS conference. Sure BYU now has all of the goodies that now come with independence, but they still have to go undefeated to get a whif at a BCS game. Utah can go 8-3 (regular season) this year, win the pac-12 championship game, and they are in. If they were to go undefeated, it would be national title game. You can't tell me Bronco wouldn't rather be in that situation.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 4:22 p.m.

    The NCAA banned high school football on college networks, so perhaps the Longhorns aren't as excited about dumping money into a network. Or they could make some coin showing UT cheerleader highlights...

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 4:24 p.m.

    "Pac 12 after Texas and Oklahoma.

    ...... and the rich get richer."

    And the poor get poorer.

    Utah's chances of ever winning the PAC X title would be non-existent if the Utes had to get past Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, USC, Oregon and Stanford.

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 4:29 p.m.

    Pac 16 West...

    Stanford?
    Cal?

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 4:34 p.m.

    PAC 12 should invite Texas and dump Utah. There are more TV sets in Texas than 1/2 of Salt Lake City and after the Utes flounder in the Pac 12 they could come back home to the MWC and try and defeat Boise State consistently.

    If they want Oklahoma, drop Colorado, where all the fans are into NFL foorball, not college and the Buffalos. Maybe Colorado and Utah could join the MWC, along with Utah State and then Air Force wouldn't be tempted to leave like TCU left.

    Oh my, the landscape is changing because the richter scale is bouncing again.

    What about it hedgie---could the Utes handle being dropped back into the MWC if they became an AQ Conference? That would enhance their chances of winning the conference, no doubt, except for BSU, maybe.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 4:35 p.m.

    Alpha Chicken

    All three replay officials in the blown call in the SDSU-BYU game were suspended for one game; NOBODY was canned, despite the constant stream of misinformation we get from the hill.

    ClassyUte

    "Utah can go 8-3 (regular season) this year, win the pac-12 championship game, and they are in."

    And that's something you would beat your chest about being a great accomplishment?

    More BcS.

  • Mount Olympus Salt Lake, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 4:36 p.m.

    Re: Utah's chances of ever winning the PAC X title would be non-existent if the Utes had to get past Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, USC, Oregon and Stanford.

    At least the Utes would still technically have a chance. They'd have more of a chance at winning their conference than a team that doesn't even belong to a conference.

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 4:37 p.m.

    Swoop | 4:24 p.m. Aug. 12, 2011
    Salt Lake City, UT

    Unlike you Swoop, I would hope that both BYU and Utah find themselves in a position to play the best competition. Though their records may suffer some and the championships won't be as many, the games for both would sure be more interesting. BYU slaughtering all those WAC teams in Provo this fall isn't what that program deserves.

    Both schools should be in BCS conferences where they are challenged and where they have a chance of a BCS birth without having to win every game.

  • B Logan, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 4:47 p.m.

    If Texas and OU join the PAC 12, Ute fans have a lifetime of mediorcity to look forward to. You wil NEVER get out ahead of the pack in that kind of conference.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 4:53 p.m.

    Mount Olympus

    "At least the Utes would still technically have a chance. They'd have more of a chance at winning their conference than a team that doesn't even belong to a conference."

    Lloyd: You mean, not good like one out of a hundred?
    Mary: I'd say more like one out of a million.
    [pause]
    Lloyd: So you're telling me there's a chance. ...

    good luck on that "chance"

    btw, how has that "chance" worked out for Arizona, Vanderbilt, Indiana, and Baylor?

  • Alpha Chicken Orem, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 4:55 p.m.

    Truth Machine
    And the officials that were suspended for one game were suspended why?
    Because of a BLOWN CALL. Additionally the MWC made a new rule after that to insure that no school employees could be involved in the replay booth so that there would never be any question about that like there was with the BYU/SDSU game.

  • ClassyUte SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 5:18 p.m.

    @truth machine

    Yeah, i would be pretty happy if my team won a Conference title and went to a BCS game. I've had that feeling before (twice actually), and it made me pretty darn proud.

  • Utehaterforlife Syracuse, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 6:27 p.m.

    Oh how BYU has something Utah doesn't, oh wait its something in my ear, oh yeah it is the National Championship, that trophy looks really nice in the display case, does Utah have any?

  • Bottom Line Draper, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 6:47 p.m.

    Texas will not join the Pac 10.2 you can count on it. There are hundreds of scenarios in play and I would put that one near the bottom.

  • Portland Trail Blazers Sandy, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 7:07 p.m.

    Utahhaterforlife,

    Nope, Utah doesn't have a National Championship, but BYU does!!!!!! Go COUGS!

    Shhh.. dont tell ute fans that 2 BCS wins arent a national championship, cuz as of right now, they think they are....HA!

  • Alpha Chicken Orem, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 7:44 p.m.

    Hey Ute hater,
    I give BYU credit for their National Championship, its a big deal. I also give Utah credit for something BYU doesn't have, and thats an undefeated season in which they played against teams that finished the season ranked in the top 25. Utah actually has two seasons like that, and they were even in this century! Yeah, awesome huh?

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    Aug. 12, 2011 7:53 p.m.

    Utah fans: It's a tough concept to get your mind around, but what if BYU really doesn't want to belong to ANY BcS conference? What if going to a BcS bowl really ISN'T that important? What if they really are more interested in national exposure, playing coast to coast and border to border with a variety of outstanding football programs and not being tied to annual obligatory games with inferior opponents who just happen to be in the same conference. I know, Iknow, they play some WAC opponents this year but that is just part of growing into independence. BYU has a much different vision than Utah and it probably doesn't include groveling to become accepted as a mediocre team in a mediocre conference.

  • Alpha Chicken Orem, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 8:12 p.m.

    gchris, You are right in that BYU doesn't need to grovel to become a mediocre team in a mediocre conference, they have been that for years. They are now groveling to be a mediocre team in independence. Good for them. As far as BYU not wanting a BCS affiliation, well about that you are sadly mistaken. They will NEED it if they think they will ever see a National Title game. See how far going undefeated has gotten Utah, Hawaii, TCU, and Boise State in recent history. BSU has been the winningest program in CFB and how many times have they played in the National Title game? Zero. Thats called a glass ceiling. So be happy with your independence. Utah is happy with their Pac 12 membership. It will all work out in the end.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Aug. 12, 2011 9:07 p.m.

    My oh my, the usual suspect Y fans are out in force tonight. The spin out of some Y fans is the most hilarious of any fan base I have ever been around. Post Hoc after no invite, "we didn't want to be in a BCS conference anyway." Really, that's funny as I grew up in Utah and all I heard from Y fans was that the PAC 10 was going to be calling any day and Utah would be left behind. I guess if things have changed and BYU fans are happier being a mid major independent (I doubt it) more power to them.

    With regards to raiding the best of the Big XII and adding them to the PAC 12 that would be one awesome conference, I dare up there with the SEC. Go Utes, Go Cougars and too certain Y fans always dogging on Utah, go get a life.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 12, 2011 9:23 p.m.

    "You are right in that BYU doesn't need to grovel to become a mediocre team in a mediocre conference, they have been that for years"

    BYU = National Power/Legacy Program
    17 AP Top 25 Finishes in the last 34 years (50%)
    23 Conference Championships in the last 46 years (50%)
    15 National Individual Award Winners
    7 National College Football Hall of Fame Inductees (6 players)
    1 Heisman Trophy Winner
    1 National Championship

    Utah - Mediocre Team
    5 AP Top 25 Finishes lifetime
    6 Conference Championships in the last 60 years (10%)
    0 National Individual Award Winners
    1 National College Football Hall of Fame Inductee (no players)
    0 Heisman Trophy Winners
    0 National Championships

    Call us when U accomplish something worthwhile.

    By the way, being invited to a conference just so that conference will have enough teams to hold a conference championship game, isn't an "accomplishment".

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    Aug. 12, 2011 9:31 p.m.

    Alpha Chicken

    I rest my case.

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    Aug. 12, 2011 9:38 p.m.

    Texas already turned the PAC down. Don't u remember, that's the only way u got in!

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 12, 2011 9:50 p.m.

    To Anti BCS:

    Is that all you have? History starts when you say it does? Those things happened so long ago.

    Jealousy is such a lonely word.

  • DeLoss Dodds CHICAGO, IL
    Aug. 12, 2011 10:55 p.m.

    Pac 12 option for Texas is possible...but not likely. The definate preference is to remain in the Big XII.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 13, 2011 10:16 a.m.

    Coug fans commenting here are in serious denial.

    BYU officials have flat out said they'd still like to join a BCS Conference so I'm not sure why Utah fans need to help you understand this. And ask Holmoe and Bronco how much they enjoy working on that schedule? Both said it's been difficult...meaning expect schedules like this year which won't translate into a meaningful end of season game.

    As for saying Utah will be like Arizona and never have a chance at anything in such a tough conference? That perfectly sums up the BYU mentality. Utah would sooner EARN their success versus having the most disputed national championship in history. If we win, awesome. If we lose, at least it's to great competition...no shame in that. Ask Arizona if they have any regrets joining the Pac 10.

    Keep in mind, Bronco's goal is a National Championship. Good luck with that in your current situation.

    And accomplishments you've been listing were not only in the last century but were 99% against weak competition. Very little respect outside the region for those accomplishments.

    Time to put on your big boy britches and move past your YMCA trophies.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 13, 2011 10:17 a.m.

    @alpha chicken

    "BYU doesn't need to grovel to become a mediocre team in a mediocre conference, they have been that for years. They are now groveling to be a mediocre team in independence"

    Did that make you feel smart? Did it make you feel superior? Understand that stupidity is seldom recognized by those that are propagating the stupidity. They do it because they are motivated by how saying something makes them feel rather than how saying something actually makes them appear to others.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 13, 2011 12:05 p.m.

    Duckhunter -

    "Did that make you feel smart? Did it make you feel superior? Understand that stupidity is seldom recognized by those that are propagating the stupidity."

    If that wasn't the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is. Go back and read that entire comment of yours and then sit down and think about it for a minute.

  • SoCalUtahFan Irvine, CA
    Aug. 13, 2011 2:59 p.m.

    anti BCS...

    Today, the teams are much different:

    1) BYU: mid-major
    2) Utah: BCS caliber

    3) BYU: struggling to make it to a BCS bowl
    4) Utah: won 2 BCS bowl games already

    5) BYU fans: have to look back to 1984....
    6) Utah fans: brags about the presence....

    What a different a few decades make.

    GO Utes!!!

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 13, 2011 3:40 p.m.

    SoCalUtahFan

    1) BYU: Perennial Top 25 Team
    2) Utah: Flash in the Pan

    1) BYU: 3 Top 15 finishes in the last 5 years
    2) Utah: 1 Top 15 finish in the last 5 years

    1) Bronco: 2 MWC championships
    2) Kyle: 1 MWC championship

    1) BYU: Almost as many AP Top 25 finishes in the last 5 years (4)
    2) Utah: As Utah has in its entire history (5)

    Even in a relatively quiet period for BYU, Utah can't keep up.

    Utah fans may brag about the presense, but

    BYU fans can brag about the past and present.

    The ONLY reason Utah fans don't like to talk about the past is because the Utes have no past worth talking about.

    GO COUGARS!

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Aug. 13, 2011 10:59 p.m.

    Uteanymous, interesting name. Obsessed much you are; your name says it all.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    Aug. 14, 2011 10:04 p.m.

    Portland Trail Blazers | 11:51 a.m. Aug. 12, 2011
    Sandy, UT
    Hedgie,

    Oklahoma goes where Texas goes."

    --------------------

    I don't think so.

    Oklahoma and UT are not joined at the hip, no matter how much it looks that way. In fact, there are factions in the Oklahoma program that are actually wanting to cut ties with Texas.

    Texas has gotten too big for its own good. They call ALL the shots in the Big XII and the remaining 11 schools are getting sick of letting Texas drive the bus. Why do you think A&M has a renewed interest in the SEC? They're all sick of Texas this, Texas that.

    Oklahoma, a very very good program, is always stuck in Texas' shadow. They want to be the focus of attention and it won't happen as long as they're in the same conference as UT.

    Splitting Okla/Okla State? Definitely no. But splitting Okla/Texas? I bet it happens sooner or later.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    Aug. 14, 2011 10:10 p.m.

    Now, as a member of the Pac 12... I don't want to see any more expansion in our conference.

    I certainly don't want to add high powers like Texas, Oklahoma and OK State simply because it will make Utah's job so much harder. It's gonna be hard enough to beat the current Pac 12 on a consistent basis. Imagine if we also had to get by Texas, Okla and OK State?

    No thanks.

    It may sound like a good move, but it would harm the Utah program. The ONLY benefit it would bring is more money. And while that would be good for the Utes, it wouldn't make up for the significantly higher mountain Utah would have to climb every season.

    Particularly because if OK State, Okla or Texas joined the Pac 12, they would almost certainly be placed in the same division as Utah.

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    Aug. 14, 2011 10:28 p.m.

    Did you say BYU and Narional power in the same sentence. Okay you must be delusional if you think playing in the Vegas bowl or New Mexico qualifies you that. BYU fans are in denial because they, like their religon cannot be wrong EVER and when you call them out on it they get really defensive. Try to disagree with a BYU fan at a game or something and he will pull all these stats out of the sky and try to convince you BYU is awww so amazing. BORING!