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Perception of Mitt Romney election to presidency would be similar to that of John F. Kennedy, scholar says

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  • Richard Saunders Provo, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 1:24 a.m.

    Forgive me if I have a Freudian slip and call her Ainsley Airhead, Bringhurst said about the broadcaster."

    As a Mormon, may i say that calling names does nothing to earn us respect, demonstrates no Christian virtue, and is a stain upon all of us as members.

    "Bringhurst said that rank-and-file members of the church have leaned toward Romney"

    As a 'rank-and-file' member, whatever that means, I will not vote for either Jon Huntsman or Mitt Romney. Absolutely will not. If you look deeper than religion, there is no reason that LDS who like Romney shouldn't support someone like Tim Pawlenty, but it is telling that they do not.

    The LDS Church does not endorse any candidate or party, so we should look for good men and women with whom we agree and defend principles we believe in. Church leaders have often praised our Constitution as 'inspired', and worthy of defense. Both Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman have shown no special deference to the Constitution, but more to political expediency.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 9, 2011 6:18 a.m.

    I'd be much more interested in how Mitt Romney would addressed our national financial crises and a whole lot less worried about who he prays to in the privacy of his home.

  • Dixie Dan Saint George, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 6:20 a.m.

    Kennedy would never have signed a bill legalizing Gay Marriage like Romney has done. Nor would he had flipped-floppped on so many issues.

  • Itsjstmeagain Merritt Island, Fl
    Aug. 9, 2011 6:35 a.m.

    Let me speak as straight as I can.
    I do not care what religion you are or are not. I am a Catholic, but miss Mass more than I attend. I often tell people I am a practicing agnostic. I believe I am a good person, I contribute to the community by volunteering, my level of hate for some in politics is minimal and I pay my taxes.
    Please stop characterizing anyone based on their religion. Mitt Romney is currently high on my list of Presidential candidates. I'll judge a person on their character and ability before anything else. That goes for both parties.

  • Honor Code Denver, Colorado
    Aug. 9, 2011 6:40 a.m.

    Time for Mitt to step up and show America where the real "Leadership" is!!!

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    Aug. 9, 2011 7:23 a.m.

    a recent Gallup poll that stated that Romney was the 85 percent choice of the state, while Huntsman had just 11 percent of the vote.

    The country elects a President. Mitt Romney's Mormonism will only be a problem to the Bachmann and Perry crowd. His Republicanism will be a concern to the country.
    His outburst over the budget deal reveals that he is identically aligned with the objectives of the Tea Party. We will see just how popular they are in 2012.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 9, 2011 7:39 a.m.

    Re: Dixie Dan | 6:20 a.m. Aug. 9, 2011

    President Kennedy might not have signed a bill legalizing Gay Marriage but then again Mitt Romney wouldn't have dated Marilyn Monroe.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 9, 2011 8:17 a.m.

    Re: FDRfan | 7:23 a.m. Aug. 9, 2011

    Utahn's know how popular Mitt Romney was when he rescued the foundering 2002 Winter Olympics after the Olympic scandal and brought the games in under budget to the tune of about $50 million dollars.

    If that's what the Tea Party is all about I'm 100% for them.

  • Fender Bender Saint George, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 8:25 a.m.

    I disagree that the perception of a Mormon President would be similar to JFK. With all due respect, this isn't the 60's. They didn't have the Christian Coalition back then, and religion didn't play so heavily into the national political debate as it does now. The Republican Party now faces more pressure than ever to produce a candidate that meets the approval of the far-right "Christian" political activists. This is evident when you consider how George Romney's LDS membership was scarcely even mentioned during his presidential campaign, but Mitt Romney's Mormonism is now one of the biggest obstacles he faces in his own presidential bid.

  • sam3915 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 9, 2011 8:39 a.m.

    The big difference between President Kennedy and Romney is that Kennedy did not push the Catholic Church's agenda on the US. The new Romney definitely will push the Mormon Church's agenda on the US.

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    Aug. 9, 2011 8:53 a.m.

    Rifleman | 8:17 a.m. Aug. 9, 2011
    Salt Lake City, Utah

    You sure have a lot of confidence in the arm flesh - the right arm. The Utah Olympics were much bigger than the state of Utah. It could have succeeded in spite of Mitt Romney. And why not let Huntsman be the man? Bringing in Romney from the outside was a classless move by those who did not like Huntsman's politics. Policies like removing taxes on food are very unpopular in Idaho and Utah. I wish someone could explain that to me.

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 8:55 a.m.

    Mr. Romney's past business tactics will hurt him more than where he worships. Yes---Mr. Romney knows more about trade and economic growth than most---even much more than Mr. Obama-----yet it will come out how he made his $200 million. Packs of angry ex-employees are lining up (as they have for 15 years) to speak how he would buy a company, fire 25 percent of them, grow a profit, then sell the company in 2-3 years. This may be legal but is it right? We need more economic growth in this country and Mr. Romney would make a great president------let it be a shared -- by-- all-- economic-- growth.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 9, 2011 9:00 a.m.

    Re: sam3915 | 8:39 a.m. Aug. 9, 2011

    What Mormon Church agenda did Mitt Romney push when he was Governor of Massachusetts?

  • New Mexico Albuquerque, NM
    Aug. 9, 2011 9:01 a.m.

    @sam3915

    And how exactly do you know that? Please cite specifics.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 9:05 a.m.

    Romney recently signed NOM's pledge to push for a Constitutional Amendment denying equal treatment under the law to GLBT Americans.

    That is NOT the sort of person I want leading my country.

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 9:06 a.m.

    @Sam3915: The President actually has very little power when it comes to advancing a personal agenda. Policy making resides with Congress and the courts, the President is really only there to direct them which way to go.

    Of the LDS Church's primary agenda, gay marriage seems to be a moot point now... it's going to happen one way or another... and you can forget about anything being done to change the nation's policy on alcohol.

    The LDS agenda only does well here in UT b/c the state is 66% LDS. The rest of the nation is maybe 6% LDS so there isn't much of a chance for success there.

    Election should be a shoe-in for Romney now that Obama has shot himself in the foot. Unless there is some miraculous economic recovery between now and election day Obama doesn't have a chance. Let's just hope the GOP (that means Tea Party too) can get together behind a sensible candidate who can bring JOBS back to this nation.

  • Reasonable Person Layton, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 9:23 a.m.

    Can anyone explain HOW a President is supposed to "bring jobs back to this nation"?

    Obama suggested cutting tax breaks for companies who shift jobs overseas.
    The Republicans screamed.
    Obama wanted a larger stimulus, to create infrastructure improvements.
    We know who screamed.

  • jimhale Eugene, OR
    Aug. 9, 2011 9:37 a.m.

    Al Smith was a Catholic. His loss to Roosevelt was partially because he was a Catholic. When Smith ran, much of America was rabidly anti-Catholic ...including the Mormons in Utah.
    That long-standing bias dated at least to the arrival of numerous Irish Catholics in the 1848 potato famine. It was inflamed by the arrival of many Southern European immigrants in the first decades of the twentieth century. The Klu Klux Klan was everywhere and Catholics were almost as hated by that ilk as blacks.
    World War II threw Americans of all backgrounds together in the military and civilian production efforts. Attitudes about not only blacks but also Catholics changed greatly. Overt acts of hatred lessened.
    But even into the fifties, children all over the country were taught in school that one of the reasons America was great was that we had a "Protestant work ethic" -- code for "Catholics are lazy".
    Kennedy was a war hero. He was Irish not Italian. He came from a big, prosperous family.
    His voters included millions of Catholics. He started with a big religious base.
    He won.
    He changed perspectives.
    But he won very, very narrowly.
    He had no mandate.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 9:38 a.m.

    @Ranch

    "Romney recently signed NOM's pledge to push for a Constitutional Amendment denying equal treatment under the law to GLBT Americans."

    You're confusing equal treatment with special privileges.

  • GoldieZ Eureka, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 9:39 a.m.

    There was no question about gay marriage when Kennedy was president.

  • Legal? Saint George, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 9:56 a.m.

    @christoph | 8:55 a.m. Aug. 9, 2011
    Brigham City, UT
    Mr. Romney's past business tactics will hurt him more than where he worships. Yes---Mr. Romney knows more about trade and economic growth than most---even much more than Mr. Obama-----yet it will come out how he made his $200 million. Packs of angry ex-employees are lining up (as they have for 15 years) to speak how he would buy a company, fire 25 percent of them, grow a profit, then sell the company in 2-3 years. This may be legal but is it right?

    --------

    Yes, it is right. He knows how to put a company (country) on a lean track to success. That is what we need right now. But he won't be making the millions in profits, WE will. We, THE PEOPLE, will. We, THE COUNTRY, will. He understands business, he gets it.

    If someone with his business acumen and drive doesn't get elected, there may not be much left for ANY of us to salvage.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Aug. 9, 2011 10:02 a.m.

    @ Reasonable:

    This is how a President is supposed to bring jobs back:

    1) Not squelching Free Enterprise - meaning minimal tax increases.
    2) Motivating Congress to cut crap program spending out of the Federal Budget, go beyond balancing it and trimming the deficit so that there is an environment of positive expectations.
    3) NOT pushing through garbage legislation like a pork-filled "stimulus" that doesn't stimulate and only adds to the national debt.
    4) Addressing Health Care reform that will make a difference, like Tort reform, limitations on drug trademark exclusivity, allowing international sourcing for pharmaceuticals, and increasing competition, instead of ramming through a budget-breaking Health Care bill that makes Doctors want to change their profession.
    5) Incentivizing the Fortune 500 to take their war chest $Trillions in cash and start domestically hiring people with it. (Tax incentives are the only way to do this.)
    6) Raising the Social Security limit to apply to the first $500K of income.
    7) Simplifying the tax code to a flat 7-8% for individuals and businesses, immediately eliminating all but the largest deductions and phasing out those over 10 years, 10% per year.

    But most importantly, it takes a President with guts.

  • jimhale Eugene, OR
    Aug. 9, 2011 10:05 a.m.

    The next few months and the 2012 election are going to be about jobs....and job creation.
    The Democrats are going to say we have to spend (borrowed) federal funds in order to create jobs. They will argue that things would have been worse without the big spending of the Obama years. They will argue for "investment" in construction jobs. They will scream for federal spending to invest in education at all levels. They will insist increased growth will solve the deficit.
    The Republicans will say we must end deficits because government borrowing sucks capital away from private sector job formation. They will call for employment tax credits to spur job growth....and in the end they will have to consent to tax increases on the very wealthy in order to get them.
    The 2012 election, for Congress and the White House, will be about who the great American middle believes.
    Religion will disappear as an issue after the GOP convention....except, of course, if Mitt Romney or Rick Perry is nominated.
    The GOP will have to chose between a Mormon or man who just told 30,000 he believes God is calling him to run for President.

  • Sandpiper Air Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 10:05 a.m.

    @sam3915

    "And how exactly do you know that? Please cite specifics."
    We're calling you out sam. Be a stand up guy and gives us the specifics.

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    Aug. 9, 2011 10:10 a.m.

    Here we go again, if Mitt Romney were to be elected president of the United States in 2012, the Foundation for Apologetic Information and Research would be right. It's what they don't tell you that's scary. Both the Utah "poster children", Romney and Huntsman's candidacy is in a state of turmoil, the Mormonism part is a set of blinders to pull the wool over your eyes, that's all. in another DN feeding frenzy in their "silver lining" to get them in Office. I would rather have a "poor" honest and never lies President like Jesus Christ in Washington, then Romney any time. I cannot wait until Mitt (in the Pitts) Romney gets the GOP nomination - before I address the true nature of this nefarious beast. Because this series of reports will contain evidence of off shore tax havens, bankruptcy fraud, bankruptcy collusion and federal system of justice corruption that benefits Romney's entities. That also ties hand in hand with Goldman Sachs IPO fraud, bankruptcy collusion, bankruptcy fraud and federal system of justice collusion. All anyone need investigate is Bain and several other "exclusive" holdings of Romney to see he speaks with forked tongue.

    More news at 11........

    My views.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 10:33 a.m.

    Re: Brother Chuck Schroeder

    Wow, that's quite an indictment. Of you course you have proof of all this? Oh yeah, who needs proof to get in the way of a good rant, right?

  • JoeBlow Miami Area, Fl
    Aug. 9, 2011 11:00 a.m.

    DeltaFoxtrot writes

    "The President actually has very little power when it comes to advancing a personal agenda.

    But all I hear from the right is that Obama has been pushing his anti-American, godless, socialist agenda.

  • Elcapitan Ivins, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 11:15 a.m.

    Poor Sam....letting his anti mormon attitude show. Get real Sam..Mitt does not work that way. Get to know the man that he is. Read his Book. He is a leader and a profound fix it man. America needs him. Get on the band wagon Sammy.

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    Aug. 9, 2011 11:15 a.m.

    After reading through these comments I have reached the conclusion that nobody really knows what they are talking about, and I am now dumber for having read it all. Thanks a lot.

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 11:20 a.m.

    @Goldie Z: When Kennedy was President discrimination because of race was still legal. Many blacks and other minorities couldn't even vote.

    The nation has changed a lot since then. Look, we have a black President.

  • LOL holladay, utah
    Aug. 9, 2011 11:25 a.m.

    "God hasn't spoken to man since Moses." - Mitt Romney in a tv interview, 2007
    Ahem, excuse me, but is this some sort of new "revelation" Mitt?
    That's not exactly what Joseph Smith said.
    You've got some 'splainin' to do.

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    Aug. 9, 2011 11:37 a.m.

    Took Romney's religion until 1978 to accept blacks though. Seems blatantly obvious they only did it due to decreased conversions with whites (especially educated), increased missions in Brazil, Africa, and places with blacks, and other colleges actively picketing and refusing to play against BYU. All that, compounded by the civil rights movement, finally got God's word that blacks are okay ....

  • Utah Dem Ogden, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 12:04 p.m.

    LValfre - just to clarify your misstatement - "Took Romney's religion until 1978 to accept blacks though." Blacks were members of the LDS Church since its earliest days but in 1978 a revelation was given to also allow the males to hold the priesthood.

    Independent - thank you for the laugh.

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    Aug. 9, 2011 12:12 p.m.

    Re: giantfan - 10:33 a.m. Farmington, UT
    Re: Brother Chuck Schroeder. Wow, that's quite an indictment. Of you course you have proof of all this?.

    Reply: As a matter of fact, yes I do. It's titled "The Romney/ Goldman Sachs Chronicles - Modern Day Robber Baron's g[al]ore." Mitt (the Pitts) Romney Benefiting from Off Shore Tax Havens, Federal Court Fraud and Organized Crimes. Mitt Romney Bain entities have benefited from federal frauds. Because Romney's Bain entities and Goldman Sachs utilize the same Delaware counsel (Morris Nichols Arsht & Tunnell). Meg Whitman and Mitt Romney both have a history of utilizing their own monies to fund their campaigns. This might be due to the fact that Meg Whitman came from BAIN - too!. All anyone need investigate is Bain and several other "exclusive" holdings of Mitt Romney to see he speaks with forked tongue. Such as Stage Stores, a southern Texas Bankruptcy case (#00-35078) - where Mitt owns the bulk of the entity that held 500 stores.



    As I said...... "more news at 11", if Utah puts him in Office along with FAIR.

    I know, better, do you?.

    My truthful views.

    Let this debate begin Mr. Ash, from FAIR.

  • owlmaster2 Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 12:15 p.m.

    The only likeness Mitt Romney has to John Kennedy is the religious perception.

    Mitt Romney is not anything like John Kennedy.

    Kennedy was decisive, direct and was a leader. He never flip flopped. He never played to the mouthy minority. John Kennedy was concerned about all Americans and the World.

    Mitt Romney is a job destroyer. He is indecisive. He flip flops.

    Sorry folks, Mitt might be a nice guy but he isn't a leader.

  • JoeBlow Miami Area, Fl
    Aug. 9, 2011 12:26 p.m.

    DN Moderator - Seriously? You denied this comment? You have got to be kidding me. Not a big deal, but you guys are all over the board. How about this suggestion. Follow your rules.

    J-Tx 's list

    "Not squelching Free Enterprise - meaning minimal tax increases"
    He has not raised any taxes - check

    "Motivating Congress to cut crap program spending out of the Federal Budget"

    Suggestions on how he might do that?

    "allowing international sourcing for pharmaceuticals"

    Uh, you mean what Bush rammed thru?

    "Raising the Social Security limit to apply to the first $500K of income"

    That is a tax increase. Never get that through the Tea Party

    Tort Reform - ok with that.

    Tax code. Ok, but at the end of the day, it still needs to bring in money to cover expenses. Limit deductions? On business? On people? Good luck with that.

    Not sure what you think Obama has done to stifle the economy? I will agree that he has not improved it, but he did not take it into the ditch. It was there when he found it.

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    Aug. 9, 2011 12:47 p.m.

    I really hope Mitt doesn't get elected. I'm not against him as a person, but I'm all for separation of church and state and feel he does not have that capability. I don't feel and true LDS member can be president and be able to differentiate between what the country needs and what their religion says it needs. Like his recent signing against Gay Marriage ... give it time Romney you're not even elected yet and making oaths against certain people.

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 1:30 p.m.

    When the Evangelical Christian Conservatives get through with him, we will see him emerge as the abused, pandering, flip-floping politico we have all come to love and admire...

    Why else would he avoid going toe-to-toe with these adversaries in Iowa?

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 3:06 p.m.

    "President Kennedy might not have signed a bill legalizing Gay Marriage but then again Mitt Romney wouldn't have dated Marilyn Monroe. "

    Mitt may have very well married her, she was attractive to many, especailly to those who were power hungry.

    If Mitt becomes president will he institute polygamy?

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 4:15 p.m.

    @Doug: If "marriage" is no longer just between one man and one woman I don't see why it should be between just one of anything. Two? Three? Sure, why not?

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    Aug. 10, 2011 7:32 a.m.

    Kennedy wanted to end the fed and bring the troops home. Kennedy stood for something. Romney, the guy who wrote obamacare doesn't stand for diddly squat.

  • Itsjstmeagain Merritt Island, Fl
    Aug. 10, 2011 1:48 p.m.

    Before the elections in 2004, a Priest or minister (doesn't matter) in Southern California stood on his pulpit and urged his parishioners to judge the candidates "in their totality". He said polarizing positions, having only one topic or issue is not how to judge a person's character, or the ability to perform his duties in office. He mentioned no local, state or federal election. He was not specifically addressing any single issue voter such as those against war, abortion, gay marriage, taxes and just about anything.
    For his teachings, the church was taken to court by the Justice Department with the threat of taking away their church tax free exemption. I read the text of the sermon and it was well done and simply asked that each look at all of the qualifications. I live in Florida, but donated to their defense fund.

  • Eichendorff Olathe, Kansas
    Aug. 11, 2011 5:59 p.m.

    *The new Romney definitely will push the Mormon Church's agenda on the US.*

    Nonsense. Romney didn't do it as governor of Massachusetts and he won't do it as President.