byu's problem is they will continually schedule big teams, get blown away by
those big teams, and then "salvage" their season by beating up on
nobodies.Whatever floats your boat.7-6, Enjoy it. I know I
More good insight from a real pro. Good job Bro Sikahema.
Who would bark if BYUTV broadcast high school games?
Vai,Thoughtful comments but you left out a very important incredient
in your analysis. If Texas goes indy where do they park all of their other
sports most of which are very strong and competitive? There don't seem to be
any good alternatives which is why for now Texas wants to act like an
independent but remain a member of a BCS conference. BYU landed 11 of their
olympic sports in the WCC which will work for them. Texas? Who knows.
BYU Football > Any NFL Team with a high-profile BYU alum > NCAA Football
generally > UofU Football I am so glad I never have to watch BYU
football on the Mtn ever again. I can't wait for the season to start.
Chris B- your comment has nothing to do with the article. I'm in Big 12 country
and they are not happy with this Texas deal.... But to be honest the Big 12 is
nothing without them, so it is going to have to work. Go Sooners! Keep that #1
all year baby!
This isn't really new news as it was no secret last summer that Texas viewed
what BYU was doing very closely, especially taking a very good look at BYUtv.
UT wants to do the same thing, while not necessarily having to look to football
independence. But I wouldn't put it past them, their brand is so great and has
to be one of the top college brands in the country. They'll bide their time and
eventually use their clout to push their way to get what they want. It was true
before and it will remain true in the future that the Big12 is completely
dependent on UT to prop them up, which is why it would have collapsed has UT
left for the PACx.They'll closely be watching the BYUtv scene, even
though it'll be more to see what mistakes BYU makes rather than to see if it'll
be successful. UT must be quite jealous over BYU right now and will be working
and waiting until it's their turn to take control over their own visibility.BYUtv already is a success for football independence reasons...they're
visible and will remain so. Nothing else really matters to BYU.
@Dutchman - don't be surprised when more football schools declare conference
independence and then band together in a conference, of sorts, for their other
programs. Assuming either both schools or maybe just the home team gets
broadcast rights on their own networks. It'll happen, and BYU will have been
the catalyst of it all.
Great Article Bro. Sikahema. B.Y.U. going independent could really shake up
college football and cause the Texas, Oklahoma,and other big name schools to go
that route. Utah is not included as the "other schools" because you
need a conference and you have the PAC 12 to get your exposure and you don't
have the marketability that B.Y.U. has which enabled them to sign their deal
with ESPN. Can't wait for Cougar football!
kswiss - are you sure you're a Sooner fan? I've never heard a Sooner fan give
that kind of credit to UT.
BYU is 50-15 in the last 5 years. That's a double-digit winning season each
year. So, as you can see, the 7-6 record from a year ago is the anomaly. Ute
fans would have us to believe it's the norm.Go Cougars!
Chris B:BYU has beaten:MiamiOklahomaNotre
DameTexas (one of worst losses in Texas history)UCLA (59-0)WashingtonOregonPittMichigan....... and the list
could go on. Getting the picture??Why do you think anything will
change in the future??
@Dutchman, my exact thoughts while reading the article. Texas can't put it's
basketball, baseball, etc teams in the Sun Belt or similar. They very likely
won't be able to keep them in the Big XII while indy in football. Notre Dame
works so well because all non-football sports are in the Big East. BYU didn't
care about their non-football sports and were okay throwing them in the WCC. I
really don't think anyone in Texas will be watching BYUtv (as Vai suggests)
unless they are LDS.
Chris B must be talking about Utah. I seriously was laughing my head off
re-watching the highlights of the biggest game in Utah sports history (TCU vs.
Utah) Talk about being out coached, out classed, and thoroughly pummeled. The
best part is the next week they got smoked by a mediocre Notre Dame team ha ha:)
Truly the best part though is that a freshman qb'd worst BYU football team in 5
years nearly beat them on there home field. The Utes have been enjoying exactly
what Chris B is talking about for way to long. Luckily for them there going
into the Pac so they can continue to beat patsies. If I remember correctly Utah
doesn't play even 1 team ranked in the top 25 preseason coaches poll. Keep
building you guys into something your not:)
crisb; Your crystal ball of BYU predictions hasn't treated you too well in
the past. Why do you think it is working now? College Football + TV
= big money. I am predicting that there will much more leeway given to big name
teams to make their own deals if they will stay in the their conferences. A
small share of a lot of $ is better than an equal share of a little $. I would
not be surprised to see USC, Florida, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Michigan and several
other schools follow BYU and Texas in creating their own TV networks. You may
even see the "independent" teams join together to create an
affiliation or conference for their other sports to play in and to have a base
of teams for their football schedules. This is just the beginning. Good or
bad, college football will look a lot different in 5 years. Hopefully the BCS
will collapse while this is going on.
I wouldn't mind seeing the top level LDS high school athletes shown on BYUtv
once in a while. Would be fun to see what people are up to around the country.
Not sure if the resources are there for BYU to truck around on Friday nights to
show high school games outside of the intermountain west, but I'd tune in.
Is Chris B the same guy that said he would NEVER again post on an article about
BYU if the Cougars beat SDSU in basketball?Just got my season
tickets in the mail. Can't wait for the season to start. Having almost EVERY
game on espn is going to make it even better. Then after going to the game I
can catch it again on BYUtv.Luckily for Utah they scheduled BYU this
year. Otherwise they might not have any games on national tv this year.Great time to be a Cougar!
Thanks Chris B.. Jusdging from your track record of predictions, the
future looks bright for BYU football. Have fun watching them on ESPN.
And the Score is:Chris B: 0 Jimmer: Sweet 16Yes, I
remember you saying that BYU would be "Once and Done" at the big
dance.Please keep posting comments I really enjoy the entertainment.
Re: ThleteIf you honestly believe that Vai meant Texas would be
literally watching BYUtv, as in sitting on their living room couch, then you
need to reread the article. It seems you didn't quite get it.
I have to admit I was a little nervous about BYU's future, but after Chris B's
prediction, I feel much better.
@the rockFW huh? Me too. Decatur class of 03'.
Great article Vai, but lets not draw too many comparisons between BYUtv and
Longhorn Network. Both are cable networks devoted to a particular university but
one is on ESPN and will likely be devoted entirely to sports, while the other
devotes as much or more time to devotionals and other religious programming as
it does sporting events. I am not knocking that. I think its fantastic but it
highlights how very different these two institutions are.
Chris B is the man. He is always right. He told me a couple of days ago to go
long on the DOW. "Go long baby" he said. I haven't checked the market
the last couple of days, but I am sure I am fine.
I have always though that BYU and Texas should get together. they are both great
sports programs and they share a lot of similarities. In fact i bet that if by
some miracle BYU and Texas got together they could form a conference that would
rival any conference in the nation. I know its not gonna happen but i would love
to see a conference with Texas, TCU, SMU, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma
St. along with Utah, BYU, Arizona, Arizona St, Colorado and Air Froce. that
would be my dream conference two clearly defined divisions, east and west with
natural rivalries and extremely competitive play. what is more with two network
operating schools in BYU and Texas exposure would be premium. but as for
right now i could not be happier about My Utes and their inclusion in the PAC!
Jealousy = Lots of new fans! Just look at all the people suddenly commenting on
BYU blogs alone on this site!! As I've gone to other sites, lots of people are
talking about BYU. People can't help but want to follow BYU now. The team is
very deep and totally ready for the season, so that will help. I've seen MANY
Texas fans talk about BYU and what we are doing. What BYU is doing might be
contagious to college football, much like Edwards passing the football
philosophy that caught on to college football and is now everywhere. BYU continues to lead and create new traditions in the sport.
I was going to rattle chirs b's cage, but everyone else already did.
A major difference between BTUtv and the Longhorn Network is that BYUtv doesn't
need to turn a profit. BYUtv is backed by the church. The network is there
even if they never show a single football game on it. BYUtv running short of
cash? Beat the bushes and make sure members are up to date on tithing.The Longhorns (and anyone else) don't have that luxury. A Longhorn will tune
in to watch the game live, then maybe once again to see the replay, but after
that? It may as well be dead air, nobody is tuning in.The problem
with high school football is programming isn't free. If BYU airs a Bingham High
School game, BYU has to pay Bingham cash money. If Texas airs a Plano West High
School game, Texas has to pay Plano cash money. Those are the kind of
transactions that should have the NCAA's attention.Texas isn't going
independent. They only have to look at BYU to realize that's not a good choice.
OU-Texas, TAMU-Texas rivalries? Those will have to be played in Sept. Even
Texas would have a tough time lining up late October & November games.
"Missouri, of the Big 12, owns and operates the only on-campus
commercial-run television station in the U.S. KOMO-TV, the NBC affiliate in
Columbia, Mo. It has the infrastructure to pull it off."I had
to chuckle a bit at this one. The key words here are "It has the
infrastructure to pull it off." So, Utah owns and operates KUED an
on-campus TV station. While not a commercial TV station it certainly has the
studios and equipment to operate like one. So, based on Vai's analysis I
suppose Utah could be one of those programs that goes indy in football, put all
the other sports in a league with other independents and convert KUED into a
station that covers sports and hook it into a national feed along with all the
other independents. Get real people. USC, Standford, Cal,
Michigan, Ohio St, and even Utah are not going indy because there faculties
would revolt because they want the tight academic associations that come with a
conference like the Big 10 and PAC 12. Texas may not care much because they are
the academic heavy weight in the Big 12 anyway.
ChrisB you are hilarious being the first one to post on a BYU article. Methinks
you have nothing to do all day long. BYU going independent with
their own TV station may very well be the source of the BCS dieing. Wouldn't
that be funny. The BCS was designed to ensure that a school such as BYU could
never ever win a NC and this same school finally bringing about the death of the
after only one year texas will lobby commish scott for the following super
pac-16 conference: div 1: so cal, ucla, cal, stanford, oregon, oregon st,
wash, wazoo div 2: texas, texas a&m, tex tech, missouri, utah, colo,
ariz, ariz st.oklahoma oklahoma st. absorbed into the big 10 with
kans and k-state and someone else to make the big 10 into the big 16 as wellsuper conferences are coming!!!!
To TJ | 12:30 p.m. -I agree with your assessment. It's probably
more likely that conferences will figure out how to accomodate a school's TV
network and separate broadcast deals to keep schools from going indy in FB. One
big difference between Texas and BYU is that even without considering the lousy
TV deal with The mtn., BYU was in a mediocre conference, while I'm sure Texas
and its fans would love to continue playing most of their Big 12 rivals.
@ Chris BYou got the action right, but te wrong team. It's those
mighty USU Aggies than regularly schedule Nebraska and others that blow them
away on the Cornhuskers home field, in exchange for gate receipts.Who defeated Oklahoma last year in the opener? (Now Isuppose you'll claim
Utah's victory over Michigan was a "quality win" won't you?)You were the first to post poison on a BYU artiocle again....very predictable.
By-the-way, how's the Ute program gong? Swallow any insects lately?
BYU fans - I am surprised that you haven't figured out, by now, that
Chris B. is one of your own, trying to stir it up. You continue to
bite time after time and after time. May I suggest that you ignore his/her
comments. Actually, keep addressing them. It's getting funny that you continue
to argue against the same tired comments with the same tired responses over and
The BYUtv is very interesting. As a member of the LDS faith, I hope it is use
mostly for enhancing the church. There is a big difference between
Utah High School Football and Texas Football. Texas has over 25 million
residents compared to 3 million. Most of Texas' recruits come from Texas and
high school football has stadiums bigger than USU's stadium. Many of BYU's
recruits come from Utah but just as many come from other states. Having lived
outside of Houston, I remember watching powerhouse programs playing against each
other and having my father talk about it. Having UT show your high school game
gives huge advantages over teams like Texas A & M, Oklahoma, etc. Having a
Texas microphone in your face all the time with millions of viewers can be very
influential to a young, impressionable athlete. If BYUtv showed
local high school games, I don't know that it would have the same effect as UT
Television. The kids that want BYU will go to BYU.As a Utah fan, I
simply hope that my donations are not going towards BYU football broadcasts.
Rebroadcasts are ok as long as they show the losses as well.
While BYUtv will be a huge revenue boost to BYU who has fans from coast to
coast, the Utes will be watched by fans from Tooele to Evanston.
Nice smokescreen Duckhunter. It's you that is really the BYU fan trying to stir
the pot. You just don't quite have the moxie of Chris B or Hedgie, though.
Re: Duckhunter Hunter,As much as I'm sure you don't want to claim
Chris B as one of your own, there's no doubt that he's Ute through and through.
I'd be clamoring to disown him as fast as I could too if I were you!
I think BYUtv SHOULD broadcast some high school games....Maybe everyone in the
Big12 is right. It might help recruiting. Some Utah and California high school
games might just be the ticket.
@Whoa Nellie | 11:41 a.m. Aug. 5, 2011 Who would bark if BYUTV
broadcast high school games?Exactly. Here's an interesting
possibility- Take that sweet HD truck, and start broadcasting HS games of BYU
prospects, and share the highlights with ESPN. I imagine raising the stock of
future prospects would only help BYU's recruiting efforts.
I am wondering how BYUtv will be a profit generator for BYU? Is there that much
demand from advertisers? It is a tough audience -- us LDS folks aren't exactly
known for being big spenders. I guess every Utah valley based MLM could grab a
few 30 second slots, food storage providers may go nuts, Jell-O, modest clothing
manufacturers, Deseret Book, and a few messages brought to by the Church. But
otherwise it seems like a tough demographic to generate revenue from. The cost
to operate an HD broadcast will be significant. I'd love to see the business
case -- but then again, it is more about exposure than it is money. ESPN will be
the cash cow and BYUtv will be an added bonus.
giantfan,To the extent Chris B is a Ute fan we do reject his obnoxiousnous
but I'm with Duckhunter Hunter... pretty sure he's a clever cougar pot-stirrer.
(He makes Hedgie look downright reasonable!) Too bad that for every one Hedge
there are about ten BYU equivalents... (ratio drops to 1 to 5 if Chris B is
somehow really a Ute).
@GoUTES - Great post. That was funny.
It's so awesome because I here that they will show Bronco's friday night
fireside at halftime on ESPN.
I here the guy commenting about "NEVER HAVING TO WATCH BYU ON THE MOUNTAIN
EVER AGAIN!" It was like they had a bunch of 1st graders operating the
camera, and that "James" guy was like a fifth grade play by play
caller, I couldn't stand any of them! Fowler and Todd Christianson were OK, but
the rest were pretty much MAJOR NETWORK & HOME TOWN TV STATION REJECTS! I'll
have to deal with that to watch Boise State, but that's life!
Yeh Vai, I care to wager. No one other than members of the church know that the
BYU network exists. I have lived all over the country and most people outside of
the Wards have heard of BYU but don't know anything about it and many times get
it confused with the U (only knowing it comes from Utah). You all amaze me with
your inflated self-importance. The world could care less about watching BYU
play USD in the slim gym or a home FB game against NM State.
Texas is not going to watch what the Y does cloesly. They do not care if the Y
succeeds or fails in this independent world. Texas is Texas, & they have the
power & the prestige to do whatever they want, & what the Y does makes
no difference to them. The only problem is where do they put their other sports.
Will the Big 12 let them stay there, or will they have to go to Conf USA, or
some other mid major conference that they would beat up on in every sport year
in & out. I hope that they stay in the Big 12, & that here in a few
years there are 4 Super Conferences with the Y still as an idependent, with Army
& Navy. Notre Dame may stay independent as well, but who knows. The college
football landscape as we know it will be completely different a decade from now.
Maybe even within 5 years or so. I hope the Y succeeds in their new adventure, I
just hope they dont win many games. They will always have 5-6 cupcakes, 3 toss
ups, & 3 FOR SURE losses. Heres to the new world of college football, &
the Y losing.
Clear, clean-cut and easy to understand. The BYU move to independence may very
well be the goose that lays golden egg's. Perhaps we are seeing the dawn of a
new day and a new paradigm of dollars and division I football. I
like that BYU has taken control of its own media destiny driving the bus so to
speak and not along merely for the ride.Good business is the axiom
UU32"I am wondering how BYUtv will be a profit generator for
BYU?"You don't understand. BYU doesn't need BYUtv to be a
profit generator. As Holmoe stated from day one of BYU Independence,
increased exposure and making BYU sports more available to a nationwide fan base
is the most important reason for going independent. The 10-fold+
increase in ESPN over the MTN is just an added bonus.-----------ImaCaMan"I care to wager. No one other than members of
the church know that the BYU network exists."Better not bet the
ranch, because, guaranteed, you'd lose that bet. Since BYUtv
broadcast the WCC basketball tournament this year, guaranteed, every basketball
fan in the WCC already knows that BYUtv exists. Going forward, fans of every
opponent that BYU plays on BYUtv will know about BYUtv. btw, New
Mexico State will be on ESPN, and there will be thousands of fans watching.NOBODY confuses Utah with BYU. You're making that up and you know it.
"Jealousy abounds over BYU, Texas network deals"Texas TV
is a knee-jerk reaction to Utah being picked up by the PAC.
"Ldsfan | 2:44 p.m. South Jordan, UT If BYUtv showed
local high school games, I don't know that it would have the same effect as UT
Television. The kids that want BYU will go to BYU."==="flynn is the coolest | 3:26 p.m. Salt Lake City, UT "Exactly. Here's an interesting possibility- Take that sweet HD truck,
and start broadcasting HS games of BYU prospects, and share the highlights with
ESPN. I imagine raising the stock of future prospects would only help BYU's
recruiting efforts." ===I question who would watch UT
Highschool football also.However, when the truck is on the road, I
wonder how difficult it would be to slip in a prominant local HS game where BYU
is playing (both football and basketball) like flynn suggests. HS
kids all over the country could tell their extended friends and family that they
will be playing on TV. I would love to watch some of the games in areas BYU is
recruiting, and I'm sure Coach DuPaix would enjoy the exposure.Then
ImaCaMan would never be confusing BYU with Utah again. How fun would it be to
watch (and recruit) HS football from Ted Runner Stadium?
@Tom in CAThat was a nice list you made about the teams that BYU has
beaten but you can make that same list for most of the D1 college football teams
in the country. Utah has beaten their fair share of powerhouse teams. And I do
agree with you that BYU will continue beating good teams as will Utah.
Just a fact check....KOMO TV is an ABC affiliate in Seattle, not an
NBC affiliate in St. Louis.
I was really hoping to see Utah vs. Stanford and also Cal. The Utah fans are
going to get their eyes opened when they go into those stadiums. Utah will now
be the target of every religious/polygamist chant and taunt. Everything that
was directed at BYU will now be thrown at Utah.Get ready. It is
going to be an interesting ride.
BYU blazes the trail. Texas follows. If the Longhorn network is successful,
the floodgates will open. USC will jump on the bandwagon. When USC leaves the
PAC12, 1/3 of the value of the recent PAC12 TV deal is gone. This could
revolutionize college football.
re: Tom in CA | 12:18 p.m. Aug. 5, 2011 "BYU has beaten:UCLAWashingtonOregonMichigan"So has
Utah. But they have also beaten USC. Not to mention, Pitt twice...
in the BCS era
@ Alterego | 11:43 a.m. Aug. 5, 2011 Actually, its Miami Dolphins
> SEC > Utes > CFL > Arena > USFL > BYU.
re: CougFaninTX | 8:05 p.m. Aug. 5, 2011 Really. Thlete (12:20 p.m.
Aug. 5, 20110) correctly inferred called that Notre Dame is the trailblazer.Originality originating in Provo? Thats comedy!
VeritasYour rant mad no sense.
Sounds to me that Texas has the best of both worlds. Why give one of them up?
Wally West But Utah has never beaten a team as highly ranked as
#1-ranked, defending national champion, Miami.BYU is undefeated
against two of the most storied programs in college football, 2-0 against both
Texas and OklahomaBYU destroyed Oregon and Oregon State in the BCS
eraUtah barely escaped Oregon State at home, and lost to both of
them on the road, in just the last five yearsIn fact, Utah hasn't
had a road win over a PAC 10 team with a winning record since last century
TheSportsAuthority,That's inside-the-beltway thinking if I've ever
seen it!Pre-season or even mid-season rankings mean nothing. Where
did Miami end up in the rankings oh those many decades ago? In this century,
compare BYU's wins against season-ending ranked teams and the record pales in
comparison to Utah's. Admittedly, one of BYU's only two wins over a
season-ending ranked team during the Mendenhall era was the over-time squeaker
against the Utes in 2009. (The other was against TCU, so no wins at all over
ranked BCS teams.)The rest of your "arguments" are about
as legit as the talking point spin that is so frequent in your neck of the
morganh said:"Great Article Bro. Sikahema. B.Y.U. going
independent could really shake up college football and cause the Texas,
Oklahoma,and other big name schools to go that route. Utah is not included as
the "other schools" because you need a conference and you have the PAC
12 to get your exposure and you don't have the marketability that B.Y.U. has
which enabled them to sign their deal with ESPN. Can't wait for Cougar
football!"Texas and Oklahoma fans will laugh at your post. The
marketability of BYU?
coach hines said:"after only one year texas will lobby commish
scott for the following super pac-16 conference:div 1: so cal, ucla, cal,
stanford, oregon, oregon st, wash, wazoodiv 2: texas, texas a&m, tex
tech, missouri, utah, colo, ariz, ariz st.oklahoma oklahoma st.
absorbed into the big 10 with kans and k-state and someone else to make the big
10 into the big 16 as wellsuper conferences are coming!!!!"Texas A&M will join the SEC.
Veritas Aequitas said:"Texas TV is a knee-jerk reaction to Utah
being picked up by the PAC."Wrong. Texas was already talking
about its own network before Utah joined the PAC.
CougFaninTX said:"BYU blazes the trail. Texas follows. If the
Longhorn network is successful, the floodgates will open. USC will jump on the
bandwagon. When USC leaves the PAC12, 1/3 of the value of the recent PAC12 TV
deal is gone. This could revolutionize college football."Keep
dreaming. USC is going nowhere.
Ldsfan | 8:35 p.m. Aug. 5, 2011 South Jordan, UT Veritas"Your rant mad no sense." ===What was
"mad" about my rant?(Serious, you had five words to
type...)Let me know what you did not understand, and I will put it
into small words.I'll help you through it bro..................NightOwlAmerica | 10:24 p.m. Aug. 5, 2011 SALEM, OR "Veritas Aequitas said:"Texas TV is a
knee-jerk reaction to Utah being picked up by the PAC."Wrong.
Texas was already talking about its own network before Utah joined the
PAC." ===Soooooo...It takes a while to
making a move like this?Is it possible that BYU, then, also had this
in the works before Utah went to the PAC?BYU going indy was not a
reaction to Utah bolting the MWC?That is an interesting observation
that most of my Utah buddies have failed to see.===The
funniest thing is Brother Vai is comparing BYU to Texas and Notre Dame.It's gotta be killing the Ute fans who remind us all the time that BYU and
Notre Dame should never be used in the same sentence.
Can't argue with the headline. Any team that can will try to do what BYU did.
It was evident at their media day that broadcasting your own school, sharing the
spotlight with no other team is extremely enviable. Instead of having a fifteen
minute highlight of your team, you can have the entire day. It just
makes sense. Can't blame Texas.
"byu's problem is they will continually schedule big teams, get blown away
by those big teams, and then "salvage" their season by beating up on
nobodies."Atleast one team from the state of utah is willing to
schedule the big teams.
@ Wiley Old SchoolRegardless, Miami was still ranked #1 and it is in
the record books.
Wiley Old School "Pre-season or even mid-season rankings mean
nothing. Where did Miami end up in the rankings...?"The fact
that you have to ask shows just how little you know about college football. Miami was the baddest of the bad boys in the 80's and early 90's, and
ended up ranked #3 in both polls. That game launched Ty Detmer's
Heisman Trophy winning season.Utah has never beaten a team that
finished #3 or higher in the final polls. Alabama, Utah's biggest win ever, only
"BYU's problem is they will continually schedule big teams, get blown away
by those big teams, and then "salvage" their season by beating up on
nobodies."Sounds like you're projecting your own inner Utah.TCU 7-47Notre Dame 3-28Boise State 3-26From 5th
to unranked -- three humiliating losses, the final one to "girlsie
@DutchmanFootball reigns as king in Texas...and knowing this the
University of Texas has so much control over thier own destiny and are such a
key component of the Big 12's overall sports package that they wouldn't have to
leave the Big 12 in all other sports to go independant in Football. Niether
would Oklahoma who is right now also planning to launch thier own TV Network.
The conferences are the ones who are running scared right now. The PAC 12 is a
perfect example in that Scott didn't even come close to getting any of the top
names that he wanted for his mega 16 dream conference and settled for two B
listers in Utah and Colorado. The Texas legislature may or may not have made a
big mistake by interceding and not allowing the State ran University of Texas to
join the PAC. Though it might in the long run have been the wrong decision...it
certainly saved the Big 12's bacon for now at least. Had they let Texas leave
the Big 12 then Oklahoma another one of Scott's principle targets more than
likely would have jumped too. Independence is a viable option for both
The more I read Vai's reporting the more convinced I am that he has no ability
to present an objective article. He is always so predictable and robotic - just
a mouthpiece for the church. There is no comparsion between BYU and Texas. Are
you kidding me? It is apples and nuts. Nice guy but generally a waste of time
and too much party line. Vai...you'd have done well as a reporter in the Soviet
bloc in the 60's!
If enough teams go independent and band together in a conference...how could
they be independent? Ton in CA...to answer your question...the past
is not a predictor of the future, only in Provo.
Yes, the one thing Vai left out of his analysis is what does Texas do with all
of the other teams they support at UT? While the coogs claim they are happy
throwing all of their other teams to the Western Church Conference, in acutality
the only person made happy by this move is Tom Holmoe.Dave Rose puts
on his game face and says what he's supposed to say when asked about this move,
but why would he "enjoy the challenge of a new league" such as the
WCC?What I'm wondering is Vai urging Texas to go independent,
thereby creating a vacancy in the Big 12 he thinks the coogs may be asked to
fill? Not likely.
@chris bI just love watching te Las Vegas Bowl every year. Utah's
performance last year was great!!! Explosive ute offense put up 3 points on a
little non-AQ school in route to a 26-3 whooping of theLittliest brother
way up north. Remember ute fans: #5 seed from pac12 still goes to
the Vegas Bowl!I'll be looking for Utah in Vegas in December!As for BYUTV, in more homes nationwide than KJZZ or Pac12 network. ESPN + BYUTV> any ute tv dealGo Cougs!
I like the idea of broadcasting local high school talent. Imagine increasing our
ties with Lone Peak High School! I love the idea of using it as a recruitment
perk. As an independent - who can complain? (Other than the U! But 'they don't
compete in the same sphere anymore...')People talk about BYU's need to
jump to a conference when invited. This TV thing changes everything. It is going
to be very difficult for BYU to enter a conference in the future not because of
Sunday play - but because our network will incite jealousy. Not only does BYUtv
compete nationally. It is expanding significantly internationally. Imagine what
that will do for other sports! (Which isn't even the motive of the network.)
TheNunWhat I'm wondering is why are U and other jealous Utah fans
still trolling BYU articles?Could it have something to do with the
fact that EVERY BYU game for 2011, except, ironically, BYU's game at PAC 12
Oregon State, is already scheduled for national television (10 on ESPN, 1 on
BYUtv)?While, the only Utah games scheduled for television are
Montana State (KJZZ, enought said), USC (on, gulp, Versus), at BYU (on ESPN),
and Colorado (on Fox Regional).As the title of the article states,
"Jealousy abounds [on the hill] over BYU... television
Where are you guys getting the idea that in order to have a school TV station,
you have to be independent? Texas isn't going to go independent, and they are
going forward with the Longhorn Network. The question is what content to show
(i.e. high school games). Its a new area, and ultimately the NCAA will have to
make a ruling on it.It's understandable that Texas is looking at
airing high school games. Texans love high school football. It would draw in
viewers. The Longhorn Network doesn't want to be like BYUtv. Look at their
schedule today:BYU Weekly, Around The House with Matt and Shari, Paint
This with Jerry Yarnell, Chef Brad Fusion Grain Cooking... blech! What sports
fan is gonna add THAT to their sports channel favorites?
The Nun - Why would Dave Rose really be stressed out by the WCC? It's got
great teams. As a whole it's not as strong as the MWC was, but it isn't
disrespected. Basketball has significantly greater opportunity to demonstrate
your teams potential in the NCAA tournament. It's not like Dave will ever be
restricted at running for a national championship ever?
Oh... that's right, TheSportsAuthority. When you dust off the papyrus showing
the stats from a season over two decades ago, Miami did finish strong... unlike
the Cougars who after their strong start closed the season with 31 and 51 point
blow-out losses! Thanks for reminding me... it makes me feel a lot better about
Utah's late-season struggles last year.
Yo Hugus - get clue. Vai is a COLUMNIST, not a reporter. He's not supposed to
write "objective" articles. He takes POSITIONS. And yes, his
positions are always aligned with the CHURCH to which he belongs, serves and
hence will be loyal to. The majority of us who read him expect that. Disagree
with him if you wish, but clearly, he has a HUGE following because we appreciate
he takes a position.
Comparing the football program in Provo to the Texas Longhorns is a huge
stretch. Provo better play clean football when they face Texas this year, any
cheap shots will add to the diminishing chances of Provo ever getting into the
Big 12/10. Oklahoma will never vote for your admittance into such a league. The
Sam Bradford disabling has long lasting effects. You'll need Texas' vote.
Moderate"What sports fan is gonna add THAT to their sports
channel favorites?"This may be a difficult concept to
understand, but the collegiate sports season hasn't started yet. BYUtv has never been billed as a 24-hour/day sports station, like ESPN, but it
will have signficant coverage of BYU sports as soon as the season begins.In the mean time, BYUtv already has 63 previous BYU games loaded and
available for on-demand replay anytime, including Utah at BYU 2009, Utah at BYU
2007, and BYU at Utah 2006.A dream come true for BYU fans. A
nightmare for jealous Utah fans.
First it was the "Notre Dame of the West" now "Texas of the
Mountain West"?Trying to compare themselfs with ND and Texas it
seems BYU is the one that's jealous. After all if BYU was such a valued brand
then they would already be playing in the SEC or Big 12."In the
early years, I think BYU felt that they had outgrown the conference and their
people were talking about how BYU would go to the Big 12 or the Pac-10. They
used to come into the Utah game always talking about who they would be playing
in their bowl game.... When we started beating them, they stopped talking about
their bowl game." -- Ron McBrideNow we beat them to the BCS
status they're talking about TV networks.
UteologyYou beat BYU to a BCS conference, but you're still on Versus
and KJZZ. Your only game on ESPN is courtesy of BYU. How pathetic is that?
re: TheSportsAuthority | 9:23 p.m. Aug. 5, 2011 Oh, look. I touched
a nerve & all by bringing up facts about games that didn't happen in the
Lavell era."In fact, Utah hasn't had a road win over a PAC 10
team with a winning record since last century"Really? So, you
would not count the Utes beating Cal in the 2009 Poinsettia Bowl?
Wally West "So, you would not count the Utes beating Cal in the
2009 Poinsettia Bowl?"Maybe you need a refreshed on what
constitutes a ROAD game.Clue: California is officially the
University of California, Berkeley; the Poinsettia Bowl is played in San Diego,
494 miles from the California campus.So, no I wouldn't count the
Poinsettia Bowl as even remotely close to being a home game for California,
which is what it would have to be for Utah to count the bowl as a road win for
Wiley Old School Programming note: The 1990 BYU-Miami game is
available on-demand, for free, on BYUtv, as well as the Miracle Bowl, BYU's
National Championship-clinching win over Michigan, Steve Young's game-winning
catch against Missouri, and BYU's Cotton Bowl win over Kansas State.Don't you wish the Utes had their own network with ready access to replays of
Utah's greatest victories?What BYU fans already have available, Utah
fans can only dream of.
re: anti BCS | 4:45 p.m. Aug. 6, 2011 Wow! You are one unhappy
individual for someone who lives so close to Disneyland.It was not
at RES. So, technically, it was road game. Why so serious?
Cougars - Wise Older BrothersWhat BYU fans already have available, Utah
fans can only dream of. --------What Utah has done twice
BYU can only print t-shirts for, see 2008 season.@TheSportsAuthorityNews flash Utah athletics can be found on the
new PAC-12 network next year. So don't worry about us, lack of exposure hasn't
stopped us from competing on the national stage.
BYU football: Always winning off the field and losing on it.
Judging from the number of jealous Utah fans commenting on the article, Vai
makes his point.
THis will be interesting in watching how we watch television in the future. TiVo
is changing how we watch because we hate commercials. I recently purchased HULU
and Netflix. We now spend more time watching those sites more than the DISH.The sports networks on the other hand have a whole different card; TiVo. Who
wants to watch a game on TiVo??? Gotta watch it live!!!! Therefore for sports
Networks, this may one of the few options for TV sponsorships. Imagine most of
that revenue going to sports teams rather than plane TV- not unrealistic.BYU has a huge following. The big stone in Nebekenezzar's dream is rolling
forward and gaining steam. BYU football and basketball are part of that vehicle
with a high quality BYUtv Network.
Aloha St. George: So the stone cut out of the mountain without hands isn't the
restored gospel, but BYU sports? Thanks for clarifying that doctrinal point for
Everytime a BYU fan brings up Miami, a ute posts that the #1 was preseason and
Miami was weak that year. Hmm 10-2, losing @BYU and @ND. The BYU loss kept them
from winning the NC. Many felt they were the best at the END of the year as
well. Colorado had a loss and a tie and should have had another loss when they
scored on Missouri on 5th down. Had Miami beat BYU, they would have ended up
11-1 with the only loss @ ND (who finished the year #6). Preseason #1, and
ranked #3 at the end of the season. I guess that 46-3 win over #4Texas in the
Cotton Bowl was the icing on the cake for that weak Miami team that was loaded
with NFL players. Over 20 went on to play in the NFL. There were 9 players
drafted that year alone. With 2 first round picks, including Russell Maryland
the #1 pick overall. 2 second round picks, a 4th, 5th and 6th round picks. They
won the National Championship in 91 and had several players that were drafted
the year after, including 2 more first round picks.
UteologyMost of Utah's games will be on the PAC-MTN regional
network, basically, Utah and Colorado. In other words, U will have less coverage
than the MTN. And, of course, no on-demand replay of past Utah games.Enjoy. ---------------Wally WestThe
Poinsettia Bowl is the very definition of a neutral site game for Utah and
California. Unless U played California in Berkeley, it wasn't a road game no
matter how you try to spin it.
Uteology | 8:29 p.m. Aug. 6, 2011 Fort Worth, Texas What Utah
has done twice BYU can only print t-shirts for, see 2008 season.===Dude, who places banners on the outside of the stadium for bowl games?
@mussingaroundDid you just compare the PAC-12 Network to the
Mountain? Try doing some research then try posting again.Oh no...
no "on demand replay of past games" on the PAC-12 network. Truly the
PAC-12 network is failure. I guess the $30 million that Utah will be get
annually will have to make up for the on demand replay.
@ Randy 01THANK YOU!!! Frankly, I am so embarrassed by those who
insist that the gospel is being preached by BYU sports teams. Can anybody come
up with any church president or apostle who has made a statement that can even
remotely be interpreted as such? I would sincerely appreciate it because I have
never heard this in general conference or in the Ensign yet so many people seem
to be making this claim. Are LDS athletes rejecting mission calls when they
decide to go elsewhere? I do know that Kyle Whittingham specifically asked a
high ranking church leader if BYU's offer was considered a church calling and he
said it wasn't. I know that sports teams help BYU get exposure but is this
really the same as the stone cut without hands? Just trying to understand.
@Uteology "News flash Utah athletics can be found on the new PAC-12 network
next year. So don't worry about us, lack of exposure hasn't stopped us from
competing on the national stage."Congratulations on the
"national" exposure next year...the national PAC 12 channel reaches 40
million homes, 15 million less than BYUtv. If you live outside the PAC-12
region, getting that channel requires the purchase of a separate sports channel
that carries it.But that's IF you even get on to the national
channel. U will most likely be playing on your regional channel, which covers
Utah and Colorado. But hey, that is a step up from KJZZ, right?All
U fans need to know right now is that their two BCS wins since 2004 have gotten
them a game on Versus with USC and a game on ESPN2 (courtesy of BYU) while
Colorado gets its game with USC on ESPN2, as well as Hawaii on ESPN2, CSU on
FSN, and Utah on FSN.Even your new "rival" gets more
exposure than U.U finally get a seat at the "big boy"
table and find yourself stuck in the high chair.Go Cougars!
@ Veritas Aequitas "Dude, who places banners on the outside of the stadium
for bowl games?" Answer: Dude, when your team has actually been to a top
tier bowl game and won (twice). Something the Y knows nothing about. Glad to
answer that for you Veritas.
UteologyCall us when Utah gets that first $30m check from the PAC12.
Here's a clue, it'll be years to never before it arrives. The fine print on the
PAC12 deal is that it's backend loaded and performance-based.BYUtv
(free - already in 60 million homes) > PAC 12 network (subscription only -
"projected" to be in 45 million homes).Utah will only have
occassional appearances on the PAC 12 "mothership" channel - most Utah
games will be shuffled off to the regional PAC-MTN regional network (Colorado
and Utah).Besides, BYUtv is only BYU's backup broadcaster, when a
game like Idaho State isn't picked up by ESPN, where most of BYU's games will be
played.BYU fans will have virtually unlimited access to BYU sports
nationwide.When you're sitting home wishing you could relive some of
the great moments in Utah football and paying increased ticket prices, you can
console yourself with the knowledge that Utah is getting megabucks for being a
middle of the PAC team.Enjoy!
You might be in 60 million homes but you will only have 12 people watching when
you play Idaho and Idaho State and the big one New Mexico State. Hey boys we
have reached the big time. Big time is an interesting perspective. You can be
involved with a very tall mountain (Pac 12) or you can be a beetle on top of a
very tall cow pie (BYU). What's interesting is the beetle thinks everything is
rosy and life is great. ( BYU fans)
deductive, Are you saying that Utah should not have joined the PAC
12? Are you saying that BYU would not also be a mid-level PAC 12 team had they
joined? Are you saying that BYU would have turned down a PAC 12 invitation to be
independent? I know it REALLY hurts, but it is long past time for
BYU fans to get over Utah being invited to the PAC 12.
re: mussingaround | 12:55 a.m. Aug. 7, 2011 I recall that the Utes
have gone into Berkley beat the bears. This was after the Urban led Utes beat
Cal here in 2004. Not only that, the U has gone into the most
legendary stadium in college football (The Big house in Ann Arbor) & come
away with a win.
Got to love BYU spin. Hate to break it to you guys but PAC 12 is a major brand
and BYU is a Mormon brand. Just because BYU reaches 60 million
homes doesn't make BYU the "Notre Dame of the West" or "Texas of
the Mountain West".Again lack of exposure didn't hurt Utah and
TCU from competing on the national stage, only BYU.@deductiveI'll have Dr. Hill call you in a few years when we become a full member,
what's your cell number.How funny the only one complaining of Utah's
exposure on PAC-12 network is BYU fans.
@wally west"Not only that, the U has gone into the most
legendary stadium in college football (The Big house in Ann Arbor) & come
away with a win"LOL! Hardly. Not to mention that Michigan
sucked. Try rolling out of South Bend with a win. I've been there and
experienced that. utah on the otherhand. Well....let's just say it wasn't a win
there for them.
@Rock of the Marne "Answer: Dude, when your team has actually been to a top
tier bowl game and won (twice). Something the Y knows nothing about."Funniest post ever! It shows the classic Ute mentality that second best
is their goal. Congratulations your top tier bowl games...in all seriousness,
those were great seasons. But can U tell me without looking it up who won the
2005 Sugar Bowl? The 2008 Fiesta Bowl? Or how even the 2011 Sugar Bowl?Nobody cares about the runner up. If BYU made it to a BCS bowl this
year, it'd be a good accomplishment...but we're not looking for good
accomplishments, we're looking to win a national championship, something that
we've done before.And something U know nothing about.Go
@Uteology "How funny the only one complaining of Utah's exposure on PAC-12
network is BYU fans." And the only ones complaining about
BYU's exposure through BYUtv are Utah fans.@Uteology "Hate to
break it to you guys but PAC 12 is a major brand and BYU is a Mormon brand.
"Hate to break it to you, but the folks at ESPN disagree. Two
quotes from Dave Brown, ESPN VP of Programming:"I think that
for me, when everything came together last summer, I just said games like (BYU
vs Oklahoma, '09) are what really separates BYU from everybody else. Our
schedule was lacking because we didnt have BYU on, and now moving forward theyll
just be a big, big part of our lineup and thats going to be great for us."BYU is a great brand and we know theyre always going to be
successful and we certainly look forward to a long way past 2020."The difference between BYU and Utah is that BYU's can stand alone with its
national brand.Utah's brand gets shuffled into the PAC 12 mix and I
guarantee when people see PAC 12, they don't think of U
re: Duckhunter | 1:36 p.m. Aug. 7, 2011 So, beating an
average/substandard Michigan doesn't count? Is there a reverse statute of
limitations on that theory?I can hardly wait for you to cry fowl.
@ MaxI don't know about LDS athletes at other schools, but BYU's
record isn't perfect either. Neither Heaps or Fredette served and Max Hall
received a very early release. Obedience is more likely to bring the blessings
of heaven than spectacular sports stats, at least in my scriptures. BYU sports is not the stone, it is not the gospel. Those of us that are
faithful latter day saints need to remember that. As much as I love sports, I
wouldn't trade one stone of one Temple for the entire 'storied' history of BYU
football (or Utah football for that matter).
@Max, Randy01Here's a copy of the mission statement of the BYU
athletics program:"Our mission is to conduct the Athletics
program in a manner that will develop student-athletes of excellence in
academics, athletics, faith, and character, and to contribute to the mission of
the LDS Church through the visibility of our positive example and our
accomplishments." BYU sports isn't the stone, nor is it the
gospel...but it is a tool to help people of different faiths get exposed to BYU
and understand the principles that we live by.The publicity garnered
by the Brandon Davies situation, and by Jimmermania, was really unparalleled.
It's exciting to think what the future will bring with the increased exposure of
ESPN.I think those fans who talk about BYU being the 'Lord's
university' and make scriptural references to the athletics program are saying
these things in jest (at least, I hope so).However, it IS true that
BYU stands for more than just the university. It stands for the Church, and its
athletics program can be a force for good in enlightening people on the
principles and practices of the LDS faith.Go Cougars!
@Randy01 "Neither Heaps or Fredette served and Max Hall received a very
early release. Obedience is more likely to bring the blessings of heaven than
spectacular sports stats, at least in my scriptures."You know,
President Monson, President Packer, and President Uchtdorf all didn't serve
mission, yet they've gone on to be some great examples and leaders in the
church.I think it's sad that a lot of church members judge
(unrighteously, I may add, which, in MY scriptures, we're told not to do) people
who didn't serve missions. That's a very personal decision and I think it's
unfortunate that we tend to ostracize those who didn't serve missions, or who
returned early.Should they serve missions? Absolutely.Do they all? No.Should we judge them if they don't? No.Anyhoo, just my two cents. Go Cougars!
Truecoug1:I hope that BYU represents the Church well, but it is my
fear is that as less North American student can attend, it becomes a divisive
factor in the Church. Fans that cloak the sports program in quasi-doctrinal
terms should think carefully about the impact they have on members of the Church
around the country. In short, if you were't able to attend the "Lord's
University" is your education equally valid? What about those wards whose
leadership is primarily composed of former BYU students even if they are a
minority of the ward. What about taunts that non-BYU fans weren't good
enough?Beware unintended consequences. Jimmermania brought exposure
to BYU and the Church, but how many young men will elect to not serve missions
because of his choice. Ward leaders held BYU sports up as an example of how you
could still serve a mission and realize a dream when I was young. Jimmer
decided that his dream was more important than a mission.It is
because BYU represents the Church that I express my opinion. Students and fans
of the "Lord's University" should be better that represented on this
TrueCoug1:There was a little thing going on called World War II that
had just a little impact on Pres. Monson and Packer being able to serve
missions. No such events stood in Jimmer or Jake's way. I am not judging
Jimmer, I don't even know him. But the question for you is, would you have
rather he had gone, or would you rather see the highlights on ESPN? What kind
of exposure do you want for BYU? A great sports team with national acclaim, or
a true example of holiness?I think these are fair questions.
Rock Of The Marne | 9:12 a.m. Aug. 7, 2011 Phoenix, AZ @
Veritas Aequitas "Dude, who places banners on the outside of the stadium
for bowl games?" Answer: Dude, when your team has actually been to a top
tier bowl game and won (twice).===Championships are worthy of
@Randy01 "But the question for you is, would you have rather he had gone,
or would you rather see the highlights on ESPN? What kind of exposure do you
want for BYU? A great sports team with national acclaim, or a true example of
holiness?"Is it too much to ask for both? I'm pretty sure that
that's BYU's goal. Again, every worthy young man should serve a
mission. Jimmer decided not to...that's his choice. I'm not going to judge
him, or the school's holiness, by how many of the athletes serve missions. The
vast majority of the LDS athletes that attend BYU have served missions. Jimmer
is the exception, not the rule, and his not going shouldn't reflect on BYU as an
institution.There are still great examples of realizing a dream and
serving a mission...Austin Collie, Brett Keisel, and Bryan Kehl come to mindHowever, my question to you is, did Jimmermania help a lot of people to
become more familiar with BYU? Is that not contributing to the mission of the
LDS church? People can find fault with anything if they want to.
Personally, I think BYU is doing just fine.Go Cougars!
TrueCoug:Frankly, it may be too much to ask. BYU can't have
everything, at least all of the time. No school can. Please consider this:1. Many would be very uncomfortable with BYU allocating the financial
resources to its programs that Texas does. In fact, I sincerely hope that the
ESPN funds are being used to ensure that tithing funds don't go to BYU sports.
2. BYU is not and should not be the only competitive venue for LDS
athletes. If they want a nationally prominent career, they can opt for another
D1 program. LDS fans have proved that they will support LDS pro athletes, why
not other colleges?3. The BYU experience is only available for a
relatively small percentage of the college age population of the Church. Even
very well qualified LDS students are turned away. Some don't want to go. There
should not be a class system within the Church based on admittance to a specific
college or university.4. Success does bring "exposure" both
good and bad - it may win friends, but does it win converts?The
subject is a very emotional one for many - isn't an objective conversation in
Duckhunter and Wiley Old SchoolYes Chris B. unfortunatly is a Cougar
fan. When I found out for sure one day I was as dissappointed as when I found
out who Santa really was. I was so hoping he really was a Ute fan.Yes Chris B, many are on to you.
@truecoug1: "And the only ones complaining about BYU's exposure through
BYUtv are Utah fans."Nope, I think its a great move by BYU to
own its own broadcasting rights. I just don't think you have the same demand
for BYUtv compared to Big 10, Texas, PAC-12 networks.@trucoug1:
"The difference between BYU and Utah is that BYU's can stand alone with its
national brand."Nice try but BYU had to stand alone with its
brand because the SEC, PAC-12, Big-10, etc. haven't shown any interest in the
"Notre Dame/Texas of the West" brand.@trucoug1:
"Utah's brand gets shuffled into the PAC 12 mix and I guarantee when people
see PAC 12, they don't think of U"True, just like when people
spoke of the MWC they didn't think of the Y. Instead it was the BCS busting
brand of Utah and TCU.
@Uteology "I just don't think you have the same demand for BYUtv compared
to Big 10, Texas, PAC-12 networks."Fair enough. I don't think
the demand for the PAC 12 will be remarkably high, either. I'm a college
football fan, but I don't have the Big Ten or Texas networks on my satellite
package. Frankly, I don't see the incentive for people outside of the PAC 12 to
buy the separate sports package that contains the national PAC 12 channel to
watch PAC 12 football.But maybe I'll be proven wrong. "Nice try but BYU had to stand alone with its brand because the SEC,
PAC-12, Big-10, etc. haven't shown any interest in the "Notre Dame/Texas of
the West" brand."But ESPN has...and as was my point, BYU
doesn't need a conference in order to move forward in football. I don't think
Utah could say the same."True, just like when people spoke of
the MWC they didn't think of the Y. Instead it was the BCS busting brand of Utah
and TCU."Well said :)Go Cougars!
@ TheSportsAuthority "Sounds like you're projecting your own
inner Utah.TCU 7-47Notre Dame 3-28Boise State
3-26"Let's take a look at byu's 2010 losses.Air
Force 35-14 (Ouch)Florida State 34-10 (This was expected)Nevada
27-13 (Wow a loss to a WAC team)Utah State 31-16 (How embarrassing) TCU 31-3 (At least Utah got in the end zone)Utah 17-16 (Burton is still
unblocked)For future reference, don't post your rival school's
losses when your own school was just as bad if not worse.
@truecoug1 No you are spot on that people won't pay for PAC-12 or
Big 10 exclusively. But I think those networks come with the sports package. I
have the Direct TV sports package and the Big 10 network came with it.True BYU can standalone but only a handfull of schools that say that. Many
other schools besides Utah can't go Indy like Oregon, Arizona, the Big Least.
@Uteology "But I think those networks come with the sports package. I have
the Direct TV sports package and the Big 10 network came with it."From what I've read, anyone living outside the PAC 12 region has to order the
PAC 12 national channel for their cable to pick it up. But I could be
wrong/reading false information."True BYU can standalone but
only a handfull of schools that say that."Which is part of why
I suggested BYU's brand is a more national, recognized brand than Utah's. But
if the U does well in the PAC 12, they could definitely jump right up there.@Bleed CrimsonI find it ironic that BYU lost 6 games last
season by a combined total of 103 points. In Utah's 3 losses, they lost by a
combined total of 88 points...Ouch.Bad sign leading in
to the PAC 12.But good luck :)Go Cougars!