Whittingham:"It's a tribute to many, many, many great athletes that have
come through our athletic department and the many great coaches who have laid
the groundwork for something like this to happen."C'mon,
coach!? Let's be honest here.... the reason the Utes are in the PAC 12 is
because the PAC didn't have really any other choices. You think they dreamed of
"strengthening" their conference by adding Colorado, who hasn't had a
decent team for almost 2 decades and by adding the Utes, who have won like 6
conference championships in 6 decades? Pfffft! Nice.The PAC needed 2
other teams to be able to create a conference championship and bring in more
revenue for them. They certainly didn't want the Utes with a tv viewing audience
of maybe 100,000 households, but since the teams they truly wanted to bring in
from the Big 12 already told them "no", the only viable option was the
two colleges that had a little history that would be liberal enough to allow
their teams to participate in Sunday sports among other criteria. Those of us
who are older than teenagers know how "legacy" is different from
"flash in the pan".
@texas peteSo what's your point? Besides Texas, there are no other
universities in the west besides Utah and Colorado that are attractive to the
PAC-12. The fact is Oklahoma and the other texas schools were in the same
situation as the Utes. The Pac 10 didn't want them unless Texas accepts the
bid. So tell that to Okalhoma fans that they were not wanted by the Pac 10.
BTW, some polls are putting Oklahoma is the #1 team right now. Texas is
regarded by many publications as the #1 school as far as fan base. I'm sure the
SEC or any BCS conference would want them to join?
cougar pete,I'm still laughing at your post! Can you say "sour
grapes"? "Delusional"? "Obsessed with big brother"?
"Jealousy"? "Denial"?Enjoy your mid-major
"legacy"! I'm sure the PAC-12 would have offered your school if only
they would have participated in Sunday sporting events (wink wink)! LOLGood luck Coach Whittingham! Go Utes!
Petey:Time to get out of the hot Texas sun and find some shade, Bro.
Your "legacy" program has done nothing on the National
stage since 1996. Sorry to be so blunt, but it's the truth. Conference
championships, Top-15 rankings, magical coins, and cute t-shirts didn't get you
an invite to the adult table. Sorry. The landscape of College
Football changed with the creation of the BCS my friend. While I am not a fan
of the system, the "flash in the pan" program got in done twice. End
of story.Living outside of Zion you should be well aware that
sabbath play in college and now youth sports is a common occurrence, and is not
something new that was created by "liberal" colleges.
UofU: founded in 1850 - building Utah's "legacy" since 2004but, they've been dreaming of joining the PAC 12 for 25 years; all those 2 and
3 and 4 win seasons, and that one Top 25 finish from 1965 to 2002 must have
really had the PAC 10 giddy with excitement over the possibility of someday
inviting the Utes to join their liberal little clan.
MAFU"Your "legacy" program has done nothing on the
National stage since 1996."BYU's legacy program beat then
#3-ranked Oklahoma in a made-for-national-television matchup in the Jerry Dome
in 2009.BYU also finished in the Top 15 three of the last five
years, versus only once for Utah.Like it or not, that is on the
Re: Just the FAXLike it or not, BYU tried to get into the WAC and
failed.Maybe what matters on the "national stage" isn't
what you think. For instance, beating an Oklahoma team that went 7-5 and ended
up unranked didn't seem to have much sway on the conference commissioners around
the country...not even the WAC's.
Pete in Texas | 12:02 p.m. Aug. 4, 2011 Copperas Cove, TX If
independance is so great, why do you care the reason for Utah's invite? Oh I
understand, playing a WAC schedule really hurts.
And what happened after they beat Oklahoma? Didn't they get taken out to the
woodshed by Florida State and then hang on for an overtime victory over a
freshman QB against Utah. From beating Oklahoma and then choking down the
stretch like always and ending up in the Las Vegas bowl.
chicagoborn"And what happened after they beat
Oklahoma?"They finished the season 11-2, beating #18th-ranked
Utah(10-3), and destroying then #16-ranked Oregon State in their bowl, to finish
ranked #12 in both polls.Utah has only had three seasons in their
entire history that were better, 2004, 2008, and 1994 (marginally).
Man, this Pac 12 invite has really brought these jealous ute-haters out of the
woodwork hasn't it?I don't think the Pac considers what happened
"6 decades" ago to be as much of an indicator about the direction of
our program, as they do what Utah has accomplished in the past decade. The
timing for our success couldn't have been better.I don't blame you
for being obsessed with Utah though- I agree we've been a much more interesting
program to watch lately.
Brave Sir Robin It doesn't matter what happened afterward. Oklahoma was ranked #3, had a returning Heisman Trophy winning QB, had three
of the first four players selected in the NFL draft, had played in the BCS
championship game the previous year, and was one of the pre-season favorites to
win the national championship in 2009.The national stage was set and
BYU performed spectacularly.It's too bad Bradford was injured (on a
clean play) or the Sooners would have been a Top 10 team in 2009.Compare that to Utah's Fiesta Bowl win over an 8-4 Pittsburgh team that
back-doored their way into a BCS game by finishing in a four-way tie for first
in the seven-team Big Least.
RE: UteBustersThe Sooners were without their starting quarterback for more
than 1/2 the game. BYU "performed spectacularly" going up by 1 point
with 3 minutes to go, and the Sooners still could have won the game if they made
that field goal.Funny how you want "full credit" for what
the Sooners might have been.Here is my prediction for the Texas
game. Texas is nationally regarded as having an off year. They have 4
quarterbacks vying for the start (in otherwords, they have no quarterback).
They are expected to finish 5th in the Big 12. BYU has a very good chance of
winning that game. How will you describe the victory?"Remember
that great game where Vince Young led Texas in a last minute drive to beat USC
and claim the national championship? Well, BYU beat Texas, so look how great WE
Re: uteBustersThat's a very compelling argument.Did I
mention that BYU tried to get into the WAC....and failed?
"It's too bad Bradford was injured (on a clean play) or the Sooners would
have been a Top 10 team in 2009.Compare that to Utah's Fiesta Bowl
win over an 8-4 Pittsburgh team that back-doored their way into a BCS game by
finishing in a four-way tie for first in the seven-team Big Least."You're right, uteBusters, that Oklahoma win doesn't even compare to the
2004 undefeated Utes who finished in the top 5. byu fans are the
only fans in the country that think a season opening victory over a team that
finished the season 7-5 is better than an undefeated season and a top 5 ranking.
Brave Sir Robin"Did I mention that BYU tried to get into the
WAC....and failed?"Thanks for sharing. Now get back to working
on your homework or you're going to have to stay in during recess.
@cordonbleu"And what happened after they beat Oklahoma?They finished the season 11-2, beating #18th-ranked Utah(10-3), and
destroying then #16-ranked Oregon State in their bowl, to finish ranked #12 in
both polls.Utah has only had three seasons in their entire history
that were better, 2004, 2008, and 1994 (marginally)."Hahahaha,
hey guy, you failed to mention that byu has only had three seasons in their
entire history that were better as well 1983, 1984 and 1996!So much
for the "legacy program"!!
Re: Jealous UYou know you've won the smack war when the BYU fans
have nothing left but disingenious personal attacks.
KHThat season-opening victory over a storied #3-ranked program like
Oklahoma was a much greater accomplishment on the national stage than a
season-ending victory over a barely ranked team that didn't even deserve to be
playing in a BcS game. BYU didn't finish the season undefeated, but BYU did have
a bigger win on the national stage.------------------------Brave Sir RobinYour childish gibberish isn't worth anything more
than disingenious personal attack.------------------------MidMajor4everWhat you failed to mention was that BYU has MANY more
seasons that were better than Utah 10-3, 18th ranked season.
Moderate"The Sooners were without their starting quarterback
for more than 1/2 the game."If you'd actually watched the game
you'd know that the game was tied 7-7 when Bradford was injured, and Oklahoma
kicked a FG on the next play to go up 10-7 with 2 seconds left in the first
half. In other words, Bradford played the ENTIRE first half and BYU held
Bradford to 94 yards passing and 1 TD. Max Hall finished with 329 yards passing
and 2 TDs. Nothing in those numbers indicates that the Sooners would have won
the game if Bradford hadn't been injured. In fact, Bradford had already taken
several hard hits, including the previous play before he was injured.BYU took the lead 14-13 with 3:30, after a 78 yard drive that burned up over 8
minutes. Are you really going to try to make the case that Bradford would have
made a difference in stopping that drive?The Sooners last FG try
with 1:28 left was from FIFTY-FOUR yards. Not even close to being a seriously
makeable FG try, and it missed badly.Feel free to watch a replay
anytime on BYUtv.
U like to take credit for beating a "nationally ranked" Michigan team
in 2008 that finished the season 3-9, while discrediting BYUs win over an
Oklahoma team that was about 100 times better.All that really
matters is that BYU has won 3 of the last 5 against U - soon to be 4 of the last
SwoopYou are absolutely correct. I apologize.When a team
spends their entire spring and fall practice building around one quarterback,
losing that quarterback in the first half of the first game should make no
difference at all.You have convinced me.I am certain
that BYU could pull Jake Heaps after the first half of the upcoming Ole Miss
game, keep Riley Nelson benched (he has experience) and win the game handily
with a quarterback that had no college game experience.We can banter
back and forth all day about game details, but it doesn't change the fact that
BYU "went toe to toe" with an OU team that finished 7-5 in the regular
season... Bob Stoops worst record. Impressive. More impressive will be seeing
if you can beat 5-7 Texas by more than a point.
ModerateAnd beating an 8-4 team that finished in a four-way tie for
first in the pathetic Big Least is supposed to be more impressive.Bradford was being held in check by BYU's defense throughout the first half,
his 10 completions in 14 attempts went for a meer 94 yards. His longest
completed pass was only 17 yards and most of his completed passes were for less
than 10 yards. What single shred of evidence do you have to show that Bradford
would have been anymore effective in the 2nd half.If Jake Heaps was
completely shut down in the first half against Utah this year, would you really
buy the argument that BYU would have won the game if Jake hadn't been injured on
the 2nd to last play of the 1st half?Take off your crimson-colored
glasses and just face reality that BYU would have been just as likely to beat
Oklahoma with or without Bradford in the 2nd half.
"KHThat season-opening victory over a storied #3-ranked program
like Oklahoma was a much greater accomplishment on the national stage than a
season-ending victory over a barely ranked team that didn't even deserve to be
playing in a BcS game. BYU didn't finish the season undefeated, but BYU did have
a bigger win on the national stage."The Sports Authority,The then ranked #3 Oklahoma finished unranked and barely bowl eligible.
Who cares who Utah played in the Fiesta bowl. I admit Pitt was not that good of
a team but they were ranked in the top 25 (something Oklahoma was not at the end
of the season). The fact is this: Utah went undefeated that year and
deserved to be in a bcs game. byu beat a preseason ranked team (which we all
know means nothing) who was obviously not as good as advertised. And you call
that season opening win a greater accomplishment than Utah's first BCS game,
regardless of who they played? It took an undefeated season to get there which
is something byu hasn't had in nearly 30 years. The logic of some
byu fans. Ha.
"U like to take credit for beating a "nationally ranked" Michigan
team in 2008 that finished the season 3-9, while discrediting BYUs win over an
Oklahoma team that was about 100 times better."CougfaninTexas,No Utah fan takes pride in beating that horrible
Michigan team in 2008. We do take proud, however, in beating #6 Alabama, #7
TCU, #18 Oregon State, and #25 byu. One of those games was a blowout. Can you
guess which one?"All that really matters is that BYU has won 3
of the last 5 against U - soon to be 4 of the last 6. "CougfaninTexas,I can be selective in my stats as well. Watch: Utah has won 2 of 3 and 6 of 9. And scoreboard last year 17-16
The Pac-12 is here. Get used to it."TheSportsAuthority | 6:29
p.m. Aug. 4, 2011 Arlington, VA "That season-opening victory
over a storied #3-ranked program like Oklahoma was a much greater accomplishment
on the national stage..."It's hard to believe there are so many
Y fans on here that think that BYU beating an eventual 8-5 OU team (by 1 point)
is more prestigious on a national stage than blowing an opponent out in a BCS
game and finishing undefeated. Plus the main reason that OU game was a big
story...was Sam Bradford's season ending injury. That OU finished
with 5 losses is significant. Utah beat a storied ranked program on the road in
2008-Michigan-but any Y fan will tell you that win was tainted.Swoop, I watched the game. I cheered for BYU. The play after the injury
the Sooners were up 10-7. The fact that the Sooners managed only 30% of the
points they got in the first half---and only lost by 1, tells me that BYU
probably would have lost. But injuries are a part of the game and BYU won.
MiPOklahoma 2009 8-5 lost to #12 BYU(11-2) 14-13lost at
#19 Miami(9-4) 21-20lost to #2 Texas(13-1) 16-13lost at #14
Nebraska(10-4) 10-3lost at #21 Texas Tech(9-4) 41-13beat #25
Oklahoma St(9-4) 27-0beat Stanford(8-5) 31-27 in the Sun BowlEven without Bradford, four of Oklahoma's five losses were by a combined 12
points to four Top 25 teams with a combined record of 43-11.Pittsburgh 2004 8-4lost to unranked Nebraska(5-6) 24-17lost at
unranked Connecticut(8-4) 29-17beat #21 Boston College(9-3) 20-17 OTlost at unranked Syracuse(6-6) 38-31lost to #4 Utah(12-0) 35-7 in the
Fiesta BowlPittsburgh lost to three unranked teams with a combined
record of 19-16 and finished in a four-way tie for first at 4-2 in a pathetic
seven team league.Anybody who would argue that Pittsburgh was even
half the team Oklahoma was, simply because the Panthers had one less loss,
doesn't know anything about college football.
MiPResorting to percentages is grossly misleading. The
Sooners scored 7 points before Bradford was injured; 6 points after he was
injured; 10 points in the first half and 3 points in the 2nd half. BYU had already rattled Bradford's cage several times during the first half.
What makes you think BYU's defense wouldn't have been even more
agressive in attacking Bradford in the second half? The way things
were going, it's more likely that Bradford would have been hit while throwing,
causing a fumble or an intercepted pass, than that Bradford would have turned
things around and been more effective in the 2nd half.
Oklahoma 2009 was obviously a much better team than Pittsburgh 2004, but I'm not
sure you can compare the stages. Playing the first college game in the Dallas
Cowboys brand new stadium to start the season was a cool story, but to say that
is a bigger stage than the Utes being the first BCS busters is a bit of a
reach.Let's just say that both games were signature wins for the
At coug fan tx AND KH:Utah has won 1 out of the last 1.
I read an article the other day that said that the Big East is looking for
another football playing member even though they just added TCU. Sounded like
the team could join just to play football. So how come BYU is not their hot
prospect? If BYU wants to play games in the east it seems they would be all
over this possibility. Too difficult to be rejected twice.Pete in
Texas and Mussing a Round,".....that would be liberal
enough...."Since both of you disparage liberalism you both must
loathe the ACLU. Did you know the BYU law school puts out a lot of ACLU
attorneys? At least two of the past Executive Directors of the ACLU for Utah
have been graduates of the BYU law school. Maybe some of them will file a law
suit to force BYU to open their rec centers on Sunday. LOLTom
Hanson, the former commissioner of the PAC 10 is on record stating that Utah and
Colorado were almost added to the PAC 10 in 2004. That is well before any move
was made to add teams from Texas.