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  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    July 28, 2011 6:08 p.m.

    More talent and athleticism than we have had in a long time. It seems like Corby Eason and Robbie Buckner know the system the best and will do the best in terms of knowledge and are both decent athletes too. Having options like DeQuan Everrett and Preston Hadley, and Joe Sampson are great. I think the safety situation will work itself out too. There isn't out of this world talent there but it is at least as good as we've had if not better, even though it will be challenging to replace Andrew Rich.

    -Go Cougs!

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    July 28, 2011 7:09 p.m.

    Potential doesn't stop good receiver, Qb's fast and athletic DB's do.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    July 28, 2011 7:43 p.m.

    Once again, bYu does not have the ability to recruit the right "type" of athlete to play the DB.

    Simple as that.

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    July 28, 2011 8:01 p.m.

    Re: Utah "fans"

    What happened to your fast and athletic DBs against SDSU last year? 500 yards passing? Fast and athletic doesn't always translate to "good" in the defensive backfield.

  • Portland Trail Blazers Sandy, UT
    July 28, 2011 8:02 p.m.

    Hedgehog,

    Utah is going to get destroyed by BYU's defense.

    Simple as that.

  • UtahUte16 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 28, 2011 9:11 p.m.

    PTB

    I didn't know you could predict the future.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 28, 2011 9:21 p.m.

    hedgehog--your view is distorted by your warped bias.

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    July 28, 2011 9:37 p.m.

    Heading into fall camp DB is the most intruging position, should be some great competition. They dont have a ton of experience but definately a deep and very talented group.

  • BlueNtheFace Rancho Cucamonga, CA
    July 28, 2011 11:01 p.m.

    Great article, GMan. No hype, but a lot of info on our student/athletes. I'm excited the most for 3 guys: (in order) Preston Hadley, Mike Hague, and Joe Sampson. These 3 have the biggest potential in my mind. And they haven't had the chance to show at this level. Eason, Sorenson, and Uale have all proven what they've got, and can continue to develop some.

    Again, good article during a drought of football news.

    Go Cougars.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    July 28, 2011 11:51 p.m.

    Seems to be a glaring problem but as long as it is a "fun" group, it will all work out.

    Did he say Logan had some "big" shoes? I think my 7 year old has bigger feet:)

  • bigutefan Las Vegas, NV
    July 29, 2011 12:34 a.m.

    Has the coaching staff decided to start recruiting players taller than 4'4? That would probably help the most, just getting some guys who are a little taller that four feet should be a goal that can be met.

  • Dave S Holladay, UT
    July 29, 2011 1:25 a.m.

    One word regarding the cougar secondary...S L O W!!!!

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 29, 2011 4:25 a.m.

    So, potentially the Y has a lot of inexperienced DB's. Great news for Utah receivers!

  • ed in atl Duluth, GA
    July 29, 2011 5:39 a.m.

    They are not there bc they are slow. BYU 38 Ole Miss 10. BYU 32 da U 17. Yes and it will be fun.

  • Tommy2Shoes Lehi, UT
    July 29, 2011 7:58 a.m.

    While it is true that the secondary is the X-factor for 2011 this group should develop quickly. Doman's job will be to get the offense to score at least 1 more than the defense. Once the defense plays great that task will have gotten easier. Let's play these games one at a time. Forget Utah until after Texas, forget Texas until after Mississippi. Indy Cougars versus SEC Rebels in Oxford, Ms. Go Cougars.

  • Mick Murray, Utah
    July 29, 2011 8:09 a.m.

    BYU secondary doesn't need to be too quick against Utah if you don't have a quarterback that can throw the ball more than 10 yards.

  • BYUSU Wellsville, UT
    July 29, 2011 8:53 a.m.

    bigutefan

    BYU had to start recruiting taller players. The smaller ones had already committed to Utah.

  • not jealous Park City, UT
    July 29, 2011 8:57 a.m.

    Heggie:

    Last time I checked, 6 of the 7 corners discussed in this article were the right "type" of DB, if that's what you were insinuating.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    July 29, 2011 9:10 a.m.

    Definition of obsession: 41% of comments by "fans" of a rival school on an article that does not even mention that rival school.

    Can we agree there is a "little-brother syndrome" exemplified here by half the fan base of Utah?

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 29, 2011 9:12 a.m.

    BYU D-backs are both bigger and faster than those at TUN this year. Look up the numbers.

    From the previous posts. I'd say there are some insecure non-BYU fans.

  • mellomike MESA, AZ
    July 29, 2011 9:23 a.m.

    BYU has incredible depth in the secondary. I would love to see some redshirt.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    July 29, 2011 9:58 a.m.

    Cougar Finger Nails,

    It doesn't matter what happened agains ADSU last year with our DB's because we WON the game. The 1st half was terrible, and we let them score 24 points. In the 2nd half they only scored 7, and it was Whit's bend but dont break D. Whit does not like to have his team passed all over on, but if they move the ball between the 20's, and do not score, he is fine with that. Our D may have given up some big yards in the game, but there were less points scored inthe 2nd half, and we won the game. That is all that matters. Most of the issue for that game and the season, especailly the last 7 games, we only had 6 sacks I believe was that our D Line was not getting any pressure on the opposing QB, and they could sit back in the pocket, and throw balls to their recievers like shooting fish in a barrell. I do not care if a team has 147 yards for a game against us, or 650, just as long as we win. In the end that is all thatreally matters. Go UTES

  • JD Tractor Iowa City, IA
    July 29, 2011 9:59 a.m.

    Great insights on the article. The DB's are going to be fun to watch this year.

    I just hope teams keep thinking our DB's are small and slow. When I read that, I grin from ear to ear.

    This is going to be fun!

  • forreal people Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 29, 2011 10:22 a.m.

    How can you all be feeling good about any of these DB's when they are all inexperienced and the story does not even mention 40yd dash times?

    The CB's mentioned seem very undersized, and there was no mention of blazing speed or proof of play to accompany clames of "athletisism?" I would love to go up against a freshman CB that's 5'-10" 175 and laugh while he tries to jam me at the line or tackle me. I could, at 30 years old, grab a little kid like that and toss him out of the way. I wonder what a real FB player could do to a kid of that size with no speed.

    The BYU program and comentary is funny like that. Inexperience, no speed, lack of size, and it's time to talk them up?

    On the other side of this over confidence is the Utah program, similar inexperience, similar question marks, but with superior speed and size. Only they label it as a point of concern, a worry. I guess the Ute program is just more humble.

    LOL.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 29, 2011 11:00 a.m.

    Forreal.
    Find the 40 times and sizes for the BYU and Ute DB's this year before you run your mouth.
    BYU backs are bigger and faster than U.

    You just keep thinking that though. Tell the U coaches and players that too. It will be funnier on 9-17 when your saying "whodat" every time a Ute receiver is shut down, knocked down or, when Wynn is intercepted.

    Also; Brian Logan was only about 5'6" and he shut down everyone that came at him last year including U. He is playing pro ball in Canada this year.

    I would love to see you try and go against the smallest player on the BYU team. You'd be picking grass out of your teeth while those who watched rolled on the ground in laughter.

  • JonnyDanger HOUSTON, TX
    July 29, 2011 11:05 a.m.

    With the D-line and linebackers we have this year we should be able to stop the run extremely well (see the last half of last season-even against bad competition it is impressive when the other team is in negative yards most of the first half). If Bronco can keep the blitz scheme unpredictable and use the stubborn run defense to drop an extra backer into coverage we'll be ok. After watching the UTEP bowl game (and the Utah game) it's pretty obvious that our defense can be shut-down good, but susceptible to the big play deep... Coach 'em up Bronco!!

    Go Cougs!

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    July 29, 2011 11:06 a.m.

    this should not affect utah at all as they can't throw or catch a ball anyway.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    July 29, 2011 11:10 a.m.

    I don't expect the secondary will be outstanding this year, but I do expect it will be decent. With so much depth and talent in the front seven this year the secondary will not need to be called on as much to help with run support and can focus on pass coverage. I also expect Bronco to dial up lots of corner and safety blitzes. Should be exciting to watch!

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    July 29, 2011 11:11 a.m.

    somehow when you are slow and short and a ute you can play. just look at the great contract the Weddle just signed. Sometimes other skills come into play as well as work ethic and attitude. Weddle's only mistake is that he played for utah instead of the Y. Great guy and skilled player.

  • forreal people Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 29, 2011 11:12 a.m.

    TJ, Really? 40 times. The projected starting CB's at utah both run in the 4.3 range. The projected FS is 6'4" 215 and runs a 4.4. That covers 3 of the four projected utah DB's. Are you really saying that the artical failed to mention a flashy 40 time like that. Really? Show me where I can find those 40 yd dash times.

    It's funny that you would dare bost about your best CB last year being 5-6 and playing pro ball in canada! LOL! Remember, it's utah who puts DBs in the NFL (not canada) Our best DB last year single handedly defeted your team, was 6-0, 190, did 17 reps at the NFL combine, and was drafted to the NFL. As you know, there are way to many NFL safeties and CBs from Utah to talk about here.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    July 29, 2011 11:17 a.m.

    Re: forreal

    You seem to be new to the sport of football. Cornerbacks are usually between 5-10 and 6-2. Since they are usually some of, if not the fastest players on the team, it's their size that limits them to that position. If they were taller with great speed they'd be turned around to WR. Also, don't underestimate the shorter CB and his ability to decleat a receiver. Logan had some of the best hits I've ever seen. And he's 5-6.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    July 29, 2011 11:27 a.m.

    forreal,

    Just to give you a real life example, many consider the NY Jets to have the best corners in the NFL. Not one of them is listed over 5-11. They range from 5-9 to 5-11. Widely considered the best corner overall in the league, Darrelle Revis is listed at 5-11. I'd love to see you try and "toss him out of the way".

    Don't you just love people that talk big on anonymous message boards?

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    July 29, 2011 11:29 a.m.

    Papa Smurf,

    How did that "bend don't break D" work out for the Utes against TCU, Notre Dame and Boise State?

  • forreal people Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 29, 2011 11:29 a.m.

    Ute alum,

    "Weddle's only mistake is that he played for utah instead of the Y. Great guy and skilled player."

    So your saying that going undefeted while beating ranked teams (something the Y has NEVER done), and winning a major bowl game against a ranked opponent(also something the Y has never done), and getting sent to the NFL like so many other Utah DBs, was a mistake?

    WOW!

    If you like the guy, why would you wish that apon him. BYU DBs don't go to the NFL like Utes. That's a fact. They are not even close to the same caliber.

    BYU could win games in the 80's with bad DB's, go undefeted without beating a ranked opponent, then facing a six loss terrible team in a mid-major bowl game, and be voted number 1. You can't do that any more, times have changed. Those specific stats have never happend before, or since, in college football. It will never happen again. No team that plays an easy schedule and a 50th ranked bowl oppontent will ever be voted in the top five.

  • forreal people Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 29, 2011 11:40 a.m.

    giant fan,

    Not new to fb, im a fanatic. And yes your right, there are alot of great, short, CBs. But they don't weigh 175#s.

    You cant be short, slow, weak, and light. I think you need a couple physical asets don't you? Like maybe short, fast, and heavy. Or tall, fast, and light. You get my point?

  • BlueNtheFace Rancho Cucamonga, CA
    July 29, 2011 11:42 a.m.

    LOL. All Ute athletes run 4.3 and 4.4 until they get timed at the combines....
    Talk about Ute fan hyperbole.

    I'll admit that you can recruit the better DBs at the UofU, but ours hold their own on the field. Our DBs made Wynn and Cain look like stiffs last year. Look for more of the same this year. Meanwhile, expect your defensive backfield to resemble a sieve to Jake in September. I know, just pre-season projections. Should be fun.

    Go Cougars.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    July 29, 2011 11:44 a.m.

    forreal said,

    "BYU DBs don't go to the NFL like Utes".

    Sorry but you're quickly losing credibility here. Aaron Francisco is now a 5 year veteran in the NFL playing in the Superbowl with the Arizona Cardinals in 2009 and now with the Colts. I'll be the first to admit that Weddle is a better player but you don't last as long as Francisco in the NFL if you can't play.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    July 29, 2011 11:46 a.m.

    And don't count out Andrew Rich making the team out of training camp in Arizona. When the coaches see how intense he plays and gauge his heart out there on the field, they'll have a real hard time leaving him off that Week 1 roster.

  • ute4ever West Jordan, UT
    July 29, 2011 11:51 a.m.

    TJ "BYU D-backs are both bigger and faster than those at TUN this year. Look up the numbers."

    Utah
    Kamaron Yancy: 5-9, 183, 4.45 speed, best verticle leap on the team (40inches)
    Conroy Black: 6-0, 186, 4.35 speed

    BYU
    Preston Hadley: 6-0, 200, 4.40 speed
    Robbie Buckner: 5-10, 165, 4.56 speed

    Those sounded like the starting corners to me. Can you please tell me which corners are "bigger and faster"? Size is the same. Utah's corners run faster....but I'm not sure I needed to look that up, since everyone knows that is always the case.

    That said, speed doesn't always equal talent. It will have to play out on the field before any of you (or me) can evaluate who's secondary is better. I guess with the lack of sports news...we have to fight about something, right?

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 29, 2011 12:11 p.m.

    All U trollers who are dissing BYU's DB talent must not have read the article. And if U are really wondering how fast they are, may I suggest a google search. This is as talented, fast and deep of a DB corp as we've had in a while. The only question is how well they will execute, given their inexperience.

    The good news is, our first couple of opponents should not be able to expose any potential early season weakness. And by September 17, the DBs should be "clicking on all cylinders."

    With a new QB, and big OL; Ole Miss will rely on the run.

    Even though the QB position is technically "open", Texas seems to be leaning towards Gilbert. After a rough 2010, he won't have his confidence by week 2. They also lost one of their top WRs to track.

    And then there's Utah. I still think there are big question marks about Wynn's recovery from surgery and implementation of Norm's more complex offense. I don't think U will test BYU's DB's. Your season will rest on Langi's shoulders. If Wynn is reinjured, I wouldn't be surprised to see U challenge WSU for their perennial spot.

  • forreal people Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 29, 2011 12:14 p.m.

    giantfan,

    How is stating a fact like Utah being the school out of the two that puts DBs in the NFL going to make me loose credibility.

    Are you trying to argue that BYU puts as many DBs in the NFL as Utah?

    Are you saying that FS Rich being undrafted is better than, say, FS Robert Johnson getting drafted and the utes having multiple DB's going to the leage in a single year? We are talking about quality, NFL DB's at Utah, like instant starters like Sean Smith.

    And yes all these guys: Brandon Burton, Sean Smith, Robert Johnson ... ran 4.4s at the NFL combine.

    We can throw examples at each other all day, but the fact remains that Utah's list of quality DBs produced, is longer than the Y's.

    It's BYU FB players that run slow in the combine. Like Austin Collie. Way below average 40 time for a WR at his combine. Austin Collie is a great reaciever. I'm just responding to Blue in the faces comments about Utah inflating 40 times.

    If you want to look up 40 times at the combine, there is a website.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    July 29, 2011 12:19 p.m.

    forreal,

    NY Jets CB Roster:

    Marquice Cole 5-10 190
    Emanuel Cook 5-10 224
    Ellis Lankster 5-9 191
    Jim Leonhard 5-9 185
    Dwight Lowery 5-11 198
    Darrelle Revis 5-11 198
    Richard Taylor 5-11 190
    Kyle Wilson 5-10 190

    The ten players from BYU mentioned in the article:

    Robbie Buckner 5-10 176
    Jordan Johnson 5-10 175
    Corby Eason 5-8 172
    Preston Hadley 6-0 200
    DaQuan Everett 6-3 210
    Daniel Sorensen 6-2 210
    Jrary Galeai 6-0 179
    Carter Mees 6-0 195
    Mike Hague 5-10 190
    Joe Sampson 6-0 205

    It appears that the typical CB in the NFL, based on the Jets roster, is about 5-11 195. Now look up and down that list of BYU CBs. Considering it's college ball and not the NFL, doesn't look too shabby, does it? Are you going to toss them aside like rag dolls, like you said?

    Sure you are.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    July 29, 2011 12:20 p.m.

    In my last post, I meant "DB's" for both the Jets and BYU, not "CB's".

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    July 29, 2011 12:23 p.m.

    Re: ute4ever,

    Bukner is listed at 176 lbs, not 165.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    July 29, 2011 12:35 p.m.

    forreal,

    You're missing my point. You said "BYU DBs don't go to the NFL". Obviously you were wrong. I'm the first to admit that the DB position has been a strong point for the Utes for years and a weak spot for the Cougars but it certainly doesn't warrant the hyperbole you're spouting. If you're going to say ridiculous stuff like, "I would love to go up against a freshman CB that's 5'-10" 175 and laugh while he tries to jam me at the line or tackle me. I could, at 30 years old, grab a little kid like that and toss him out of the way. You can't say something like that and not expect get called out on the carpet for it.

  • BlueNtheFace Rancho Cucamonga, CA
    July 29, 2011 12:46 p.m.

    Maybe I misspoke about some of the current Utes' 40 times, but it was very funny to watch Conroy Black, last year, running 'very fast' at the wrong angles and from the wrong spot at our receivers. He should have been pulled. And he'll be starting this year, no? Can't wait to see the Ute's article on their DBs. I'm sure Whitt will claim he'll have the best defensive backfield in the PAC, like he did several times in the past about his QBs and WRs when he was part of the Mountain West. Ute hyperbole, got to love it!

    Go BYU!

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    July 29, 2011 12:47 p.m.

    forreal,

    I never said Andrew Rich was better than any drafted Ute DB. I'm not even 100% confident he can make an NFL team. I wouldn't put all your cards on Brandon Burton since he has yet to play a single down in the NFL. And Robert Johnson? How many games has he played so far?

    Sean Smith ran a 4.5 at the 2009 NFL combine.

  • forreal people Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 29, 2011 12:50 p.m.

    giantfan,

    I've actually been laughing. This is so much fun for me. When we fanatical football fans argue, there are a lot of "aboslutes" thrown around. You're trying to compare byu's DBs to the Jets, I'm claiming to be able to toss aside byu DBs. Classic stuff here. I just wonder wich claim is more of a stretch. I think yours is, big time. Let me explain.

    It is my expirience that the NFL does not inflate heights or wieghts one bit. In fact, the combine measures people to the 1/8 inch. All the time you see college players like Collie, all of a sudden get an inch shorter at the combine, hard to argue that this isnt the case. And your mentioning alot of byu guys (the bigger ones) that ARE NOT projected to start.

    My claim about tossing aside a 5-10 175 pound BYU DB, is not as big of a strech as you may think. I don't know if I want to take on the BYU DBs that are my own size. Maybe on the bench press though.

  • forreal people Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 29, 2011 12:54 p.m.

    Blue in the face,

    Your right on. Running fast at the wrong angles does not help anyone. I hope Conroy learned to play a little better over the summer.

    All right folks, have a good weekend. It was fun talking trash, always is. Until next time....

  • eagle Provo, UT
    July 29, 2011 12:54 p.m.

    This is an area of the field I worry about most about the Cougs. Andrew Rich was a stud. A player like that can't be replaced easily, or at all.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    July 29, 2011 1:01 p.m.

    We have always had terrific DBs.

    Why should this year be any different?

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    July 29, 2011 1:02 p.m.

    forreal,

    Once again, missing the point. You obviously have little to no respect for the size of BYU's DB's. I only proved that their size isn't far off from NFL talent. Now I'm not talking about strength or speed, which this article doesn't even touch. No doubt the DB's for the New York Jets are light years ahead and it's too bad you somehow inferred that I was comparing them talent-wise. Based on the info in the article you concluded that our crop of DB's are small and weak. I simply countered that you're wrong to deduce that from the stats offered in the article. You may want to deal in hyperbole, just don't be surprised when it's made to look utterly ridiculous.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    July 29, 2011 1:10 p.m.

    forreal,

    Talk about laughable, you think you being able to manhandle Divsion-1 college talent is more reasonable than comparing D-1 talent to NFL talent? Are you one of those Maddon '11 couch potatoes that dreams of playing for the NFL or something? Great stuff, great comedy!

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    July 29, 2011 1:49 p.m.

    Unfortunately, this is what it always comes down to with BYU. They just don't have enough good DB's, and that is why they will always come up short. Losing Andrew Rich was a huge blow.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    July 29, 2011 2:39 p.m.

    Boy...mention the Anae factor...which unfortunately for BYU was real and my previous post can't make it to your DNews board with a statement that has historically been proven to be correct and was logically sound. BYU has always depended on thier ability to outscore thier opponents primarily because thier weakest link in thier entire program has always been the defensive secondary. However this year... and it seems for at least the next several years that weak link may not be such a critical factor anymore. And as far as coaching factors as well... that pretty much has also been taken care of whether you wish to not use certain names or not.

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    July 29, 2011 4:58 p.m.

    Where's Stockton, I'll believe it when I see it. 2 games againsts Florida State are forever seared into my memory. It's going to take a quite a bit to forget.

  • morpunkt Glendora, CA
    July 29, 2011 7:50 p.m.

    The DB positions have always been BYU's achilles heel, historically.
    However, with Bronco at the helm, I think that stigma is gradually fading away.
    Go Cougs!

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    July 29, 2011 7:54 p.m.

    Re: forreal

    "I'd love to go up against a freshman CB . . . "

    bleah bleah bleah

    I don't think you, like most ignorant football fans, really understand how fast even a 4.6 really is to the average person.

    I doubt that you even run faster than a 5.3

    So be quiet.

  • svutility Des Moines, IA
    July 30, 2011 8:35 a.m.

    For crying out loud! Can't it be game time already?!?!? Please?!?

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 30, 2011 10:40 a.m.

    @forreal

    Both Preston Hadley (6'0, 200) and Joe Sampson (6'0, 205) run legitimate 4.4 40's. Jordan Johnson (5'10, 175) is our fastest DB with a 40 time clocked at 4.37. We've got some good size and speed with this group. Best potential at DB that we've had at BYU...now they just need the experience.

    I'm not too worried about our secondary. Their talent and athletic ability should make up for their lack of experience early on in the season.

    That, and the fact that a great pass defense starts with a good pass rush, which we will have this season.

    I think our D-Line is going to be a lot better than people think. With Romney Fuga and Jordan Richardson coming back from injury, we're going to be loaded. I think Travis Tuiloma is going to have a big impact at the NT position. With him and Fuga rotating at nose and Manemaleuna and Fangupo playing ends, we'll have 4 guys rotating on the D-Line who are all 300+ lbs.

    That coupled with the best LB corps BYU has had should make for a daunting defense. It's gonna be fun!

    Go Cougars!

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    July 30, 2011 7:52 p.m.

    Comparing 40's and height is meaningless chestbeating, becaue, bottom line:

    Heaps + BYU receivers > Utah secondary

    BYU secondary > Wynn and Utah receivers