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  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    July 18, 2011 2:22 p.m.

    Welcome home Uona. Welcome Home.

    We look forward to you hitting hard, making god decisions, and playing your best.

  • BluCoug Provo, UT
    July 18, 2011 2:23 p.m.

    Looking forward to watching Kaveinga excel on and off the field!

    Go Cougars!

  • cougarNV Las Vegas, NV
    July 18, 2011 2:27 p.m.

    Now i feel even better about the defense.

    Go Cougars!

  • GuitarGuy Layton, UT
    July 18, 2011 2:33 p.m.

    Great write up. I'm really looking forward to watching Uona crack some heads, starting in about 47 days' time. Shades of Cameron Jensen's senior season, I hope!

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    July 18, 2011 2:38 p.m.

    Someone should forward this article to Manti Teo.

  • Portland Trail Blazers Sandy, UT
    July 18, 2011 2:43 p.m.

    Awesome! Glad to see him in Cougar blue.

    But wait! I thought Utes 'fans' said that stuff like this would never happen at BYU... a Pac 10.2 football player coming to BYU? I'm just confused because they said stuff like this would never happen...

    GO COUGARS!

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    July 18, 2011 2:44 p.m.

    Gurney,

    It would help your creditablity if you told the "story" from all sides. One could easly have written the story as a player stuck so deep down on the depth chart at USC (BCS team) that he started looking at programs he could find playing time.

    I have no quesion Uono will be the best player on the ByU defense.

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    July 18, 2011 3:02 p.m.

    Oh hedgie,

    Just couldn't stay away could you.

    So this time it's he's no good, too far down on the depth chart and went somewhere to play, is it?

    It is so funny that you want objectivity from the writer, yet can offer none of your own.

    How about this novel concept. You find something you like about BYU and you comment on that. No hyperbole, no sarcasm, you try to give us something that shows you can write objectively.

    Wanna play?

  • Chris Bryant SLC, UT
    July 18, 2011 3:04 p.m.

    HH commented.

    I predict that BYU "fans" will not be able to leave him alone. They will feed the troll and this discussion will instantly sidetrack into a back and forth chest thumping contest...........

  • sports-junkie West Jordan, UT
    July 18, 2011 3:14 p.m.

    Cant wait to see how many times Uona, JP and KVN get ahold of Jordan Wynn on the 17th.

    Since Utah has no run game, JW will be dropping back for the pass quite regularly and quite regularly he will be getting dropped for a loss. Its going to be a very frustrating day for Norm Chow and the Utah offense.

    No way the Utes put up more than 10 points on BYU.

    Mark. It. Down.

  • So. Cal Reader Escondido, CA
    July 18, 2011 3:15 p.m.

    Stud! Can't wait to see this guy all over the field with reckless abandon, like the rest of Bronco's defenses have done with The Coach at the helm!

  • Floyd Johnson Broken Arrow, OK
    July 18, 2011 3:33 p.m.

    Thank you Mr Gurney. I have been using the phrase "chomping" at the bit incorrectly and never had occasion to research the proper phrase.

    I researched Uona when he transferred. He was on track to take over the starting spot at USC. As a senior he would have started at either university. He would have had more playing time as an underclassman at BYU, but as a senior he was starting in either program. Great to see this kid committed to the program. I would have hated to see him run into problems as an underclassman because he came to BYU to please his parents. Look forward to watching him beat up some quartebacks this year.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    July 18, 2011 3:40 p.m.

    Chris Bryant,

    Me thinks you're a kewg in Ute's clothing. I suspect you have a "quest" T-shirt and secretly think Maxie was right. Do all the Ute fans a favor and get off the fence.

  • bballjunkie Cedar Hills, UT
    July 18, 2011 3:41 p.m.

    Remind me how many years does he have with the Cougars?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 18, 2011 3:45 p.m.

    Hedgesmog:

    "I have no quesion Uono will be the best player on the ByU defense"

    If this statements true, he'd be the best defensive player in the state of Utah.--The next ten best will also come from BYU.

  • wcccougar PORTLAND, OR
    July 18, 2011 3:58 p.m.

    Thanks for the article BCG.
    May the transfers to bYu continue. Play your 1st 2 years @ the University that is "Bush(Reggie)League". Transfer to a football school for your Undergraduate Degree.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    July 18, 2011 4:03 p.m.

    "If this statements true, he'd be the best defensive player in the state of Utah.--The next ten best will also come from BYU"

    worf,

    Don't tell me, tell the NFL. For Whatever reason the beg to differ.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 18, 2011 4:03 p.m.

    Harvey played mostly special teams as a Freshman. He did get in a few downs making one 3 tackles, one for a 4 yd loss. He was projected as 2nd string middle linebacker his sophmore year. Don't know if he would have started his Jr. or Sr. year. Nobody on these posts knows. To claim that you do pegs you as a Yner with no credibility.

    He should be an excellent player for BYU. I can't wait to see all the linebackers this Fall. They should be very good.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 18, 2011 4:04 p.m.

    I think this group has the potential to be the best LB corp in the history of BYU. Not one of the best - but the best.

    We've had some great LB performers in the past, but when you look at the starters and the two deep roster; I don't think we've ever had eight LBs of this quality.

  • Winglish Lehi, UT
    July 18, 2011 4:32 p.m.

    Yep, Kaveinga was stuck at fourth on the linebackers depth chart behind Ray Maualuga, Brian Cushing, and Clay Matthews. All three of those guys are now All-Pro linebackers in the NFL. Kaveinga must be terrible if he can't step in and start as a freshman over the senior starter and All-American, future NFL star, Maualuga. (rolling eyes)

  • afro14 Sandy, UT
    July 18, 2011 4:51 p.m.

    Sounds like a great pickup for the cougars, let's see how he fits in to BYU's defensive scheme.

    @ Portland Trail Blazers

    I think it's ironic that you mock the Ute "fans" who troll on BYU articles even though your post focuses mostly on the antagonistic people that most real Utes fans can't stand either. Just sayin...

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    July 18, 2011 5:43 p.m.

    Don't want to wish my life away, but am looking forward to Sept 3 and hoping the time passes quickly.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 18, 2011 5:57 p.m.

    Hedge:

    As of now, ESPN over rules the NFL.

  • GACougar Atlanta, GA
    July 18, 2011 6:44 p.m.

    Hedgie, have you seen BYU's consensus National Championship trophy yet? Man,it is amazing!!! You really should make your pilgrimage to Mecca, uh, I mean Provo, and take a look. Just be sure to wipe the nose prints and tears off the glass before you leave.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2011 6:54 p.m.

    Hedge, no one has to "secretly think Maxie was right." You prove it about yourself with every post.

    Do all the classy Ute fans a favor and get off the threads. You embarrass them.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    July 18, 2011 7:07 p.m.

    "You really should make your pilgrimage to Mecca"

    GAcouger,

    I'm a ND season ticket holder so yes...I've been to Mecca to many times to count. Funny thing, with all those NC trophys and individual awards...you still never hear Coach Kelly and team media "questing" for National championships. I guess experience teaches you that.

  • hohum Saint George, UT
    July 18, 2011 7:29 p.m.

    HH

    I just can't seem to remember anyone projecting a national championship for the Y, just you. You and bcs, you just can't brag enough about bcs, coattails, 4th in pac10 south. I wouldn't be spouting too much.

    This young man has made a decision he felt he wanted to do. I admire him, he has stood up and been a man about it. Good luck to him.

  • PAC-12 Envy Taylorsville, UT
    July 18, 2011 8:55 p.m.

    Some people just feel more comfortable in a less competitive situation.

    BYU seems like a good fit for Kaveinga.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 18, 2011 9:01 p.m.

    @hedgehog "you still never hear Coach Kelly and team media "questing" for National championships. I guess experience teaches you that."

    That's probably the reason that Coach Kelly and Notre Dame haven't won a National Championship since '88 :)

    That's also presumably the same reason that the Utes haven't won a National Championship since...oh yeah, they've never won a NC.

    I, for one, am glad that the Cougs (and Bronco) have set their sights on the biggest prize in college football. Will BYU win another national championship? I don't know...what I do know is that having the goal to win one will help the football players and coaches progress through hard work and dedication.

    As someone once said "The final destination is often not as important as the journey taken to get there." I'm looking forward to that journey.

    Go Cougars!

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    July 18, 2011 9:48 p.m.

    According to hedgehog, a player fourth on the roster on a school like USC would instantly be the best player on a team like BYU. Obviously the difference in talent is like the difference in computing power in a TI-89 graphing calculator and a tiny calculator bought at the dollar store. Yet, with all this talent USC struggles to get 10 wins, which BYU does consistently almost every year.

    So, imagine if BYU had USC's roster. By way of hedgehog's analysis of the talent difference, USC's players would give BYU at least an extra 2 or 3 wins per season, meaning they would go undefeated every single year. Of course, BYU would win another national championship after 4 or 5 undefeated seasons in a row (if not sooner).

    Thanks for the complement on BYU's coaching ability, hedgehog!

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    July 18, 2011 10:09 p.m.

    BYU would go undefeated if they got all of the best talent in the Church. They don't at the moment but you are going to see more and more really talented non Utah players helping BYU win more games.

    The depth at linebacker can be repeated at other positions with the right recruiting available.

    In recent years BYU has won with a handful of players who went on to the NFL and a lot of decent athletes who worked and played hard. That is going to change to a culture of more NFL types who work and play hard.

    BSU is another team that gets the most out of their average players (mostly PAC rejects).

  • philaD Clifton Heights, PA
    July 18, 2011 10:13 p.m.

    Great article. Thanks for the inside look at Uona. Can't wait to see what this kid can do. From the rumblings we get here and there from inside summer workouts, this could shape up to be quite the year for BYU.

    Uona, welcome home brother. Enjoy your time at BYU!!!

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    July 18, 2011 10:24 p.m.

    truecoug1

    "That's probably the reason that Coach Kelly and Notre Dame haven't won a National Championship since '88 :)"
    **********

    Well... BYU hasn't won a national championship since 1984 and they talk about talk about winning one every year.

    Sooooo... I guess talking about it really isn't working too well either.

  • UtahUte16 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2011 10:26 p.m.

    Riverton Cougar

    The calculator analogy was great!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 18, 2011 10:40 p.m.

    @Howard S.

    And Utah has never won a National Championship...and they never talk about it.

    BYU talks about it...and we have one.

    Interesting that when you set goals, and work hard enough, you can achieve goals that before seemed impossible.

    But as I said before, I don't know if BYU will ever win another NC...what I DO know is that having the goal to win one will help the young men and coaches of the football team to push themselves, and stretch themselves, beyond what they would have without the goal.

    "The final destination is often not as important as the journey taken to get there."

    Should be a fun season...buckle up.

    Go Cougars!

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    July 18, 2011 10:55 p.m.

    Glad that Uona will be in Cougar blue this fall, cant wait to see what he brings to the Defense. He should quickly become a quality leader and great player in the middle of the defense.

  • Aggie84 Idaho Falls, ID
    July 18, 2011 11:06 p.m.

    Can't wait to see Turbin run right through the front line and the see how silly he makes the defensive backfield look. Count on it!

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    July 18, 2011 11:15 p.m.

    truecoug1

    Sometimes team goals are best left in the family.

    Like when BYU announced the Quest for Perfection... and Utah achieved it.

    Utah had the goal... they just prefered to achieve it and not talk about it.

  • FanofBYU American Fork, UT
    July 18, 2011 11:42 p.m.

    Howard S

    "Sometimes team goals are best left in the family.

    Like when BYU announced the Quest for Perfection... and Utah achieved it.

    Utah had the goal... they just prefered to achieve it and not talk about it."

    I agree with your assessment. It's okay for both BYU and Utah to have big goals, but keep it in the family as Howard says. No need to give your opponent any more motivation. It also then becomes the equivalent of "Speak softly, but carry a big stick."

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 18, 2011 11:49 p.m.

    @Howard S.

    And yet...still no NC for the Utes. Kind of ironic, don't you think?

    I was all for Bronco starting the "Quest for Perfection" campaign...who cares that we fell short? We were working towards something that U managed to achieve. Congratulations. But I'd prefer my coach to make it clear what we're working towards, because it means there's an expectation. So I'm all for Bronco announcing the goal of winning a national championship. With studs like Uona Kaveinga, that goal can become a reality.

    Sometimes you fall short...and that's ok. You pick yourself up and move forward. Announcing the goal provides added pressure, but added unity. The Cougar faithful are all in it together.

    What is your expectation, Howard? What are K Whit's goals? Are they to win the PAC 12 conference and win a national title? Or do you think he has a goal to just not finish last in the PAC?

    Guess we'll never know...however, I find it interesting that U fans will vaunt their BCS wins and never mention anything about winning a national championship...guess that's not the goal up on the hill.

    Go Cougars!

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    July 19, 2011 12:22 a.m.

    truecoug1

    "What is your expectation, Howard? What are K Whit's goals?"
    ****************

    My goal for Utah, and I believe Kyle's goal for Utah is to win the next game.

    Beyond winning, there are many uncontrollable variables, including politics, involved in winning a national championship. If this were not the case Utah may have had two national championships in the last decade.

    Goals are set based on factors you can control, not on factors and variables that you can't control. The only factor any team can control is to win the next game.

    If a team consistently achieves the goal of winning the next game everything else will take care of itself.

    Oh, and btw... FanofBYU is a wise Cougar...

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 19, 2011 12:23 a.m.

    @little howie

    I'm having a hard time remembering 2010, can you help me? What was all that hype from around games 3-8 last year. Was NCute2010 your other name?

    Yeah, all of you utesies were going for 'it' right? All the smack about BYU losing a few games and you guys were going for the 'perfect' season. ESPN rolled into town before 'the most historic game ever played in RES'.

    Whipped into a frenzy, all of U, and then... the egg was laid on nat'l tv.

    Then the next week... another one... on nat'l tv

    And then the season ends with U guys losing your 9 game bowl streak at the Las Vegas Bowl of all places... an embarrassing 3-26... on nat'l tv.

    In the meantime BYU picks itself up, redirects its efforts and recovers and ends the season on high note. It's just amazing the differences in teams, fan attitude and of course, the legacy and cache.

    Your team certainly had a memorable season. 10-3, the year of the cupcakes and an abundance of luck. It won't work this fall. Go get some batteries for your radio. You'll need 'em.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    July 19, 2011 7:23 a.m.

    sammyg

    "I'm having a hard time remembering 2010, can you help me?"
    *********

    All Cougars need to remember about 2010 is a whipping at the hands of Utah State, failed field goal execution against Utah, and a glorious victory against pathetic competition in the New Mexico bowl.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 19, 2011 7:32 a.m.

    hedgehog
    "I'm a ND season ticket holder so yes...I've been to Mecca to many times to count."

    Interesting . . . I've looked at many ND articles yesterday and today, and there's not a single comment from hh.

    It may be time for you to realize you are really an obsessed Cougar Fan and join Cougar Nation. Season tickets are now on sale.

  • BluCoug Provo, UT
    July 19, 2011 10:21 a.m.

    Howard remind us again how utah did in the Vegas Bowl? Or you "still haven't found what your looking for," especially on a BYU article?

  • BlameItOnTheOfficials Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 19, 2011 11:23 a.m.

    As a Ute fan I can say that Hedgehog doesn't represent all Utes. In fact he represents none of the true Ute fans. He is an outcast. I think Cougar fans know this but I wanted to go on record as saying so.

  • SLCguy Murray, UT
    July 19, 2011 11:51 a.m.

    It's good to see Uona happy and playing again. I am also glad that he didn't "blow both ACLs" as was offered when he changed from BYU to USC a few years ago on the main BYU fan website.

  • itsajelly Walla Walla, WA
    July 19, 2011 11:59 a.m.

    I love it. Utes should have won 2 national championships in the last decade and would have except for politics? That is the new excuse now for not having one? Politics? That is great.

  • defibman Syracuse, UT
    July 19, 2011 12:29 p.m.

    @ Hedgehog, Howard S, et al:

    Someone once said, "The problem of not having a goal is that you could spend your whole life running up and down the field and never scoring."

    That pretty much defines the u. If you don't have a goal, you will never achieve. You can say what you want about having an undefeated season or two, but the goal of winning a NC was not there. If it was, then you would be in the same boat as BYU and others who have a goal, but fall a bit short. Nothing to be ashamed of by the way. At least the Y has the NC, no matter how long ago it was. But look how chaotic it looks not to have that goal of a NC and then to have an undefeated season. It looks as if you don't know which direction to go!

    I'll take the team that has a goal and is not afraid to announce what it is.

  • Tommy2Shoes Lehi, UT
    July 19, 2011 1:02 p.m.

    Uona is hungry to play some football. We are getting very close to camp time and Mississippi. Can't wait. This season has the potential to be very special.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    July 19, 2011 1:27 p.m.

    PAC-12 Ivy

    "Some people just feel more comfortable in a less competitive situation."

    And some people can't avoid the inevitable:

    Mr. Wynn meet Mr. Kaveinga!

    It'll be interesting to see how competitive Mr. Wynn is after his first encounter with Mr. Kaveinga.

    Can't wait until September 17th to see these two properly introduced!

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    July 19, 2011 1:31 p.m.

    "Utes should have won 2 national championships in the last decade and would have except for politics?"

    The Utes never came close to even sniffing a national championship in 2004 or 2008 -- they finished 6th in the final BCS standings both years.

  • landcplus6 SANDY, UT
    July 19, 2011 2:04 p.m.

    I'm a BYU fan and have no problem with a publicly stated goal of a national championship. I hope that someday my Cougars will achieve it again!

    However, I think we would be pretty naive to believe that Utah doesn't also share this goal (even though they don't publicize it). The fact that Kyle Whittingham has been so successful is evidence of the high goals he has set for his program. All successful programs have high goals. Some just differ in their approach to these goals relative to the media. Neither is wrong - just different!

    Looking forward to seeing Kaveinga in action!

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 19, 2011 2:06 p.m.

    @Swoop

    Big difference between should and would. Wyoming could say they should. The utes played an easy schedule and were underestimated against Alabama.

  • Floyd Johnson Broken Arrow, OK
    July 19, 2011 2:16 p.m.

    Swoop

    Easy on the National Championship stuff. The Utes had top notch teams and exceptional seasons those years. I found it interesting to read the Wikipedia page on NCAA football national champion. I came away with a better understanding of BYU's '84 run, and the Ute's '08 run. Well worth a 10 minute read.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    July 19, 2011 2:18 p.m.

    Swoop

    Your quote isn't even close to what I said.

    I have never said that Utah should have been national champs twice in this decade.

    My point was how ludicrous to set a public goal of a NC.

    Even when you win there are just too many uncontrollable variables, including politics, that go into winning a NC.

    Goals are based on what you can control and the only thing any team can control is winning the next game.

    Beyond that no team can possibly control all the variables that result in a NC.

  • BluCoug Provo, UT
    July 19, 2011 2:56 p.m.

    "Mr. Wynn meet Mr. Kaveinga!"

    And you already know Mr. Van Noy! as well as Mr. Pendelton!

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    July 19, 2011 2:59 p.m.

    "You can say what you want about having an undefeated season or two, but the goal of winning a NC was not there."

    How do you know what Utah's team goals were in 2004 and 2008? Just because Utah didn't print shirts does not mean they did not have lofty goals. Your comment makes no sense.

    SWAP

    "they finished 6th in the final BCS standings both years."

    All I can say is that is a lazy post. The final BCS rankings are used to determine what teams play in what bowls. The BCS does not issue a BCS standings poll after bowl games are played. In other words, the final BCS standings you refer to are not really final.

    The AP DOES issue a poll after the games and Utah finished 2nd there in 2008 and 4th in 2004 (that year Auburn and USC finished undefeated and Oklahoma's only loss was to USC). Sure, they didn't win in 2008, BUT they certainly sniffed at a championship that year, garnering 16 1st place votes.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 19, 2011 3:04 p.m.

    "Goals are based on what you can control and the only thing any team can control is winning the next game."

    You can't control a bad call by a ref in a single game that can decide the outcome; but your goal is to win the game. You can say that about any goal you set as a football team. Injuries, weather, refs, etc. Lots of things are out of your control. Politics even come into play when trying to make it to a BCS bowl. You still make the goal.

  • Chris Bryant SLC, UT
    July 19, 2011 3:04 p.m.

    Swoop.

    great spin. The "Final" BCS standings come out before the actual BCS games are played. Its ok, go back, google what Utah's final rankins were AFTER the bowl games.

    Don't worry about it, take your lumps on this one, apologize for your actions, then come on back.

  • defibman Syracuse, UT
    July 19, 2011 4:11 p.m.

    @ DevilishUte:

    "How do you know what Utah's team goals were in 2004 and 2008? Just because Utah didn't print shirts does not mean they did not have lofty goals. Your comment makes no sense."

    Well, if they did, then nobody knew about it. The fans didn't say anything about it, the coaching staff never said anything about it, the u never said anything about it. You don't have to print shirts to have a goal. BTW, there is another quote that goes, "A goal not written, is only a wish".

    I am sorry that you cannot make sense of logic.

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    July 19, 2011 4:28 p.m.

    "Well, if they did, then nobody knew about it. The fans didn't say anything about it, the coaching staff never said anything about it, the u never said anything about it. You don't have to print shirts to have a goal. BTW, there is another quote that goes, "A goal not written, is only a wish".

    I am sorry that you cannot make sense of logic."

    The irony is there was no logic to your first post and your second post displayed even less of it.

    Just because they did not shout from the mountain tops what their goals were does not mean that they did not have goals. Who are you to say that they had no goals because the goals weren't made public? I doubt that you would have known the goals even if they made them public, given your bias.

    The public does not need to know what team goals are. I believe it is best left in the family. Every team aspires to win every game and to be national champs. It's implied. Don't you compete to win?

    You shouldn't need to spout off to the public the obvious.

  • UtahUte16 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 19, 2011 5:43 p.m.

    These were Utah's goals before the 2008 season per the Undefeated dvd documentary:

    1. Mountain West Conference Champions
    2. Play in a BCS Bowl Game
    3. Go Undefeated
    4. Have great team unity
    5. Beat the TDS
    6. Be ready to play every week... No letdown
    7. Beat Michigan
    8. No off field issues
    9. Extend bowl winning streak

    They succeeded in all of these goals. I would imagine this years list of goals is similar.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 19, 2011 5:58 p.m.

    @little howie

    "All Cougars need to remember about 2010 is a whipping at the hands of Utah State"

    It's history, no one cares now, a coach was fired and the team started winning after that. Any team can have an off game AND as you well know any team can be lucky like the Utes were last year against AFA, SDSU, and BYU.

    "failed field goal execution against Utah... Dumb luck and some stupid coaching again. The offensive blunderer was sent packing along with his defensive buddy. Lessons learned.

    "a glorious victory against pathetic competition in the New Mexico bowl."

    Well we won our bowl game and really don't care what U think about it.'

    That's the difference, BYU can move on, plenty of optimism, and definitely a better team this fall to look forward to.

    Utes got so much to prove and after last year's devasting losses to big programs it looks very doubtful that they will have a 'cupcake walk' of a season going into a supposedly stronger conference. Utes will probably crack under the pressure and the offense will go nowhere.

    I heard Duracells are the best battery for your AM radio, need a coupon?

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    July 19, 2011 8:49 p.m.

    "The final BCS rankings are used to determine what teams play in what bowls."

    Correction, the final BCS standings are used to determine the two teams that play in the BCS championship game. Since the Utes finished 6th in 2004 and 2008, that proves they weren't even close to finishing in the Top 2, the only requirement for playing in the BCS championship game.

    btw, the official BCS poll for final ranking is the Coaches poll, which has never ranked the Utes higher than 4th. It's funny how Utah fans never cite that poll when talking about their final rankings in 2004 and 2008.

  • Laser Iowa City, IA
    July 19, 2011 9:43 p.m.

    So excited for this season just to watch Uona play! Glad he's here at BYU. I'm amazed at the talent in the linebacking corp. This is going to be a lights out defense.

  • sports-junkie West Jordan, UT
    July 20, 2011 8:25 a.m.

    "And Jordan Wynn is "scrambling" again!" "This time it's Uona Kav-e-inga who takes him down for a 12 yard loss!" "Jordan Wynn is looking rattled out there!"

    I am really looking forward to this years rivalry game.

  • JezciSmolar TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    July 20, 2011 10:05 a.m.

    @ Hedgie and Howard S
    Its amazing how people only hear or read what they want to. No matter how many times its explained, or even what is actually said in the articles you will still interpret it wrong since you can't comprehend logic.... BYU coaches, players, Admins, never have said they WILL win a NC. Their goal is to obtain that coveted trophy again at some point, they have clearly stated it will be difficult, with no time frame on when they may be lucky enough to win it, but they do set their goals high to obtain it. Its funny to hear you hedgie that your a ND fan, if you were a true fan you would know that its ND's goal to "win" the NC every year as well. They state it in articles, tv broadcasts etc.. in fact on Insight both Holmoe and ND AD Jack Swarbrick were on and Jack said without hesitation its ND's goal every year to win the NC. Now as a ND fan, you should know they are always playing for it, just as every other school is as well. Do you get on their articles and mock them?

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    July 20, 2011 10:09 a.m.

    SWAP meat,

    "Correction, the final BCS standings are used to determine the two teams that play in the BCS championship game."

    Actually, the BCS rankings do more than determine who plays in the NC game. If Notre Dame finishes in the top 8 of the BCS rankings it is assured a BCS game (an assurance BYU will never get). Also a mid majors eligibility to participate in a BCS game is determined by the BCS rankings. I should have been clearer with you in my earlier post, especially since BYU has never even sniffed at a BCS game so I doubt you know how the system works.

    If the BCS rankings would have been in place in 1984, BYU wouldn't have been selected for the BCS NC game. That year, they played one of Michigans worst bowl eligible teams EVER. What's worse, the BCS came about because of 1984.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    July 20, 2011 10:51 a.m.

    DevilishUte

    And if the rules that existed in 2001 had been in place in 2004, Utah wouldn't have qualified for a BCS bowl.

    Utah can thank BYU 1996 and 2001 for paving the way for Utah's Fiesta Bowl invite.

    btw, BYU 1984 played 4 teams with winning records, including at Air Force(8-4). Utah 2004 only played 3 teams with winning records, none with a record better than 7-5.

    Utah fans are so hypocrital and myopic when in comes to whining about BYU, but totally ignoring how weak Utah 2004 schedule was.

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    July 20, 2011 11:34 a.m.

    phoenix -

    "Utah can thank BYU 1996 and 2001 for paving the way for Utah's Fiesta Bowl invite."

    How so? Please expound. Neither of those teams were undefeated. They were good teams, don't get me wrong, but I would like to understand your rationale.

    "btw, BYU 1984 played 4 teams with winning records, including at Air Force(8-4). Utah 2004 only played 3 teams with winning records, none with a record better than 7-5."

    Michigan, BYU's bowl opponent, wasn't even the best team in their conference. In fact, they took 6th in the Big 10 that year. 6ht place with a 6-5 record! BYU squeaked out a win against them, turning the ball over 5 times on their way to the underwhelming win. They only beat one team that even played in a bowl (AF) and did not beat a team that finished in the top 20. Facts are facts.

  • sports-junkie West Jordan, UT
    July 20, 2011 1:13 p.m.

    "Jordan Wynn drops back... scans the field for an open receiver...he looks to his right and see's Van Noy unblocked and charging full steam. He turns to his left and runs head on into a bruising hit by Kaveinga!"

    "The ball is loose! The ball is loose!" "Wynn is down and not getting up!"

    "Van Noy scoops up the fumble and sprints across the 50! to the 40, he's at the 30, they wont catch him! now the 15! the 5 and Touchdown, BYU!"

    "Wow, this is getting ugly for the Utes. 46-3 and we still have the entire second half to go." "And Jordan Wynn looks hurt."

    "Boy, that visitors section is clearing out quickly!" "Not a lot of red shirts left to witness the second half of this shellacking" "But the Cougar fans are lovin' it!" "The ABYSS is going nuts!"

    "And with a 1-2 start for the Utes, with just terrible showings at SC and BYU, I wouldnt really expect to see a full crowd on game day up at Rice Ecces Stadium in two weeks."

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 20, 2011 10:42 p.m.

    @DevilishUte

    You know, a lot of people (specifically Ute fans) don't remember that in 1984 Michigan beat the preseason #1 Miami Hurricanes in the first game of their season, a Miami Hurrican team that lost by 2 to UCLA in the Fiesta Bowl and ended up being ranked 13th in the final polls of the season.

    They also forget that Michigan was ranked in the preseason top 15, and jumped into the top 5, before they were decimated by injuries and struggled in the middle part of the year.

    However, they were fully healthy when they played BYU in the Holiday Bowl and even with the Cougs coughing the ball up 5 times, BYU came out on top.

    Ultimately, however, what's important is that BYU was named the consensus national champions that year by everyone that mattered...and unfortunately for U, that didn't (and still doesn't) include Utah fans.

    But the bitterness you express when you keep bringing up the Cougs '84 National Championship is priceless, so please...keep it coming :)

    Go Cougars!