More exposure. Let the Justice System run its course, but this is not good.
Yeah, because I've been caught, I'll man-up and pay for what I've stolen.
Somehow that's justifiable honor.
Couldn't find a Ute to pump your gas for yous?
carabaoU | 4:32 p.m. July 14, 2011 Moab, UTCouldn't find a
Ute to pump your yous?First of all, your grammar definitely shows
you went to BYU.Secondly, why did Mahe's BYU education result in
"I don't need gas" but he'll take whatever is given huh? How many of
us would fill up our tanks without paying for it and never worry about the
That's too bad. Sigh...
Please remember the presumption of innocence in a case like this. None of us
really knows what happened, so let's hold off on judgment until this thing plays
Will this be on ESPN and replayed on bYutv?.....( in HD!)
"As a man, you pay back your debts."...ummm...as a man, you don't
Who cares? Now if we could find some DUI dirt up north, would that be 'news'?
Do you have to commit a felony to speak at mission farewells these days?
I care sammyg, springville, 7:10....Theft is a crime. Do the crime,
do the time."Thou shalt not steal"Go Utes
This is unbelievably out of character for Reno. You'll never catch that guy
without a huge smile on his face. And he's a millionaire ($2.2M in career
earnings.) What was he thinking? Maybe he was just numbed to freebies from five
years of NFL schwag to ask the obvious: "Who's paying for this?"
If one of my friends said that I could have free gas I might not give a second
thought. might....We don't know the circumstances here. Let's not
throw any stones.... (he would probably catch them anyway - he was a pro
Wow, lots of judging and presumed guilt here without knowing all the
information. Can't help but think now that race may be an issue. Here's some
inside scoop for those working blind. Mr. Evers went to high school with
Mahe and were friends. He convinces the Mahe and friends that he's a big boss
at A-Core and that one of his perks is free gas and his monthly allotment is way
more than he needs so he offers it to them. In return, they gave him tickets to
quite a few sporting events as well as free gear which are some perks they get
as athletes and former players. Unfortunately fthey take his word for it,
especially when he has them come to company grounds as well as deliver gas to
their homes! Call naive or whatever you want, but Polynesians are trusting
friends.$2800 really wouldn't hurt neither men at all financially. They
just provided a free football clinic for over 500 boys at Alta High School that
included lunch and dinner for 2 days with Money out of their pockets along with
Fahu Tahi and Gabe Reed. Does that sound like something criminals would
I thought they did away with farewells. At least not supposed to be a big
program with speakers. Any case he defintly can afford his gas.
@Realistic Goggles, huggyface, Bulldog1995 - these men knew what they were doing
was wrong. I have 3 specific, separate sources with information about the
situation, one within the company, one on the legal side and anther related to
the "boss" who was "authorizing" the stolen gas. What's
interesting is that they were caught on tape late at night filling up their
cars, sneaking around, and when other trucks would pull up, they would scatter
and hide. They've even admitted it. They'll try to take a plea for less charges
for cooperating but the A-Core group will prosecute to the full extent of the
law and these guys deserve what they get. The comments about pumping
gas are pretty funny! I wonder what Larry Gomes is up to these days...
First, how does one think they can 'get away' with stealing gas when the history
of transactions is traceable.That being said, I feel this is just a
poor decision by a great guy. "Let he who has no sin cast the first
ah yes , they rob graves don't they? oh but its all apart of the culture thing
right...whats the difference..just because you can makes it right? And that man
up thing was used before..similarities and the other guy gets to go on teaching
the very culture he stole from...dont make sense.
Reno: honnor code dude, did you forget it?
I'm sorry but if you are taking gas that was supposed to be for company use, you
should pay whatever fine or time it requires.Poor decisions are poor
decisions.BTW......all of you saying that we don't know the whole
story...there is video of the man and he say's he'll "payback"
whatever he used. Nice that he realizes it now though. SammygThere is enough DUI news down south to keep the media busy.
Hedge,"Will this be on ESPN and replayed on bYutv?.....( in
HD!)"Lame. Dare to compare which program has more
felonies?Didn't think so.Not making excuses for this
guy. If he's guilty (and really that stupid) then he should get everything
that's coming to him.
Mahe don't do the denial thing. Over $2000.00 worth of gas you never paid for?
C'mon, the judge is going to roll his eyes when he hears that. Be a man, admit
you stole, clean up your life the right way.
@PGvikingDad"You'll never catch that guy without a huge smile
on his face"Of course you won't - he's getting free gas! If I
was getting free gas, I'd have a huge smile on my face too.
@bulldog1995 - you say "Wow, lots of judging and presumed guilt here
without knowing all the information." I had to laugh when you then
immediately judged others and presumed guilt of racism without "knowing all
the information." And then laughed again when you compounded your own
race-colored vision of the situation by presenting a possible justification of
their naivete by referencing the trusting nature of their friendships, based on
their race and culture.It seems only one person has racial
Bummer for Reno. I am a die hard Ute fan, but LOVED watching Mahe at Brighton
High School and even enjoyed watching him at BYU. He was an exciting player to
watch. Hopefully he can try to make this right by paying the company back and
dealing with the punishments for his actions.
"JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt | 4:58 p.m. July 14, 2011Beverly Hills,
CAcarabaoU | 4:32 p.m. July 14, 2011Moab, UTCouldn't find a
Ute to pump your [gas for] yous?First of all, your grammar
definitely shows you went to BYU."- - - - - - I chose the
"yous" as a reference to the Polynesian way of saying
"y'all" or "all of you" but I guess I have to step down to
the intelligence of those who read these boards so they can understand me more
clearly. I'm sorry. I will remember next time I post a comment.
He made a bad choice and may have surrounded himself with the wrong friends.People make stupid mistakes, big and small. *Let he who is
without sin cast the first stone*
Isn't "Thou shalt not steal" one of the honor codes?
Part of Honor Codes:-Honesty -Obedience to the law -Respect for others (this will include others' properties)
I feel bad for Reno. Really great guy caught in a bad situation. Maybe he knew,
maybe he didnt. This type of mistake can be easily rectified. Still one of
favorite BYU players of all time. At least he wasnt driving drunk
down the wrong side of the freeway. OOPS!
BYU is being attacked because of a former athlete? Can we start dishing on Utah
U now becauase of Luther Ellis and his super poor decisions? Steve Smith for
punching out his own teamate.Isn't this the same universisty who has
several "criminals" on it's own team right now, according to Sports
Hedge,I find it hilarious that you think that it makes me feel
uncomfortable to have someone of my faith be charged with a crime. Why? Do I
have responsibility for him? Does his actions reflect poorly on every other
Mormon? We all get judged by his actions?Why is it when a Mormon
does something bad, media fools and people like you jump straight to pointing it
out? When was the last time some idiot did something stupid and the media and
pundits point out that he was Jewish, or Catholic, or Methodist? If
you, or the media, or any pundit, didn't first regard us as having higher
standards, you wouldn't point out our religion. By the mere fact that you have
to point it out proves it. But, despite your fervent wish of doing damage, it
does the opposite. Yes, he was stupid, yes if it's true he should get every
consequence, but the "exposure" isn't what you want it to be because
people already know that we have higher standards. This doesn't
hurt BYU at all. People who haven't got an axe to grind will see it for what it
is: a man made a mistake.
Two words utah fans: Vileseni Fauonuku.I'd probably be quiet.
Wow. Reno has a lot of gas.
@Troll HunterSo based on your logic, nobody is ever allowed to
criticize or judge anyone on anything, right? After all, none of us is
perfect...we all sin. I'd love to see how our society functions if we
implemented what you say. The judicial system would certainly be
interesting.More likely I think this is the case of you being a BYU
fan, and as such, you just want this whole issue to go away. But if this were a
former Utah player caught stealing gas, you'd be casting plenty of stones
yourself. Come on, be honest...that's what's really going on here, isn't it?
@ SocalUtahFanAre you through Preaching?Reno will get
what's coming to him....
Another thought.Define exposure?Did this man make a
mistake? Appears so.Did BYU football program make a mistake? No.Did the church or religion make him steal gas? Nope.Did a
ute fan try to link them all together? appears so.
Loving this whole thing. Someone said he was a good guy? Good guys don't steal
$2000 worth of anything. Especially guys who grow up in a culture of knowing
stealing is not a good thing. IF found guilty, he should serve time.
I fail to see why playing football at BYU has anything to do with this story.
Those ragging on the Y somehow left out the NFL.....maybe they're to blame, too,
using your logic, or is criminal activity OK (or even expected) in the NFL?My question: If everyone involved thought it was OK, why didn't they do
it in broad daylight in front of the boss? I was put in charge of
the company gas at a construction site once and no way would I ever use any for
my personal vehicle and when asked once after hours to "help just a few
gallons" I said "Get the boss to approve it in writing and I'll put it
in your tank in front of everybody, not after hours." The gas was never
thusly dispensed, nor requested again.DUH...........????When I lived in West Valley once a neighborhood youth was caught stealing
siding on a Sunday night from a new house. He told the police that the
construction company had given it to him. I told the responding police officer
"That's why he needs to get it on Sunday night, at dark I suppose."
He was arrested.
ha ha UTSIES! another one of your players is in trouble! reno grew up a Y fan
and then went to the U. Big mistake. If he had gone to the y, no way this
happens. He would still be in the NFL. I laugh at all the little Utsies trying
to justify their boy's actions!LOL!
Starfarer,I couldn't have said it ant better.**Everyone
should read his comment**And hopefully HedgeHog will.
@Laser - difference is that the U folks don't profess to be righteous and
obeying the honor code and a better institution. May all you remember that Reno
was booted out of school in his college days for honor code violation (ala
Harvey Unga, Brandon Davies, etc) before coming back to finish. BYU and their
fan base put a HUGE target on their backs by their claims about being better.Did we ever figure out the ESPN schedule replay on BYUtv thing for the
survelience video? I'm setting my DVR soon.
All I can say is:Starfarer 2HedgeHog 0
@govt rocks - good people do stupid things all the time. Maybe you're perfect,
and all your friends and family are perfect, so you don't realize that, but it's
very much true for the rest of us. Furthermore, Reno Mahe deserves
the same justice that anyone else in the same situation gets. My guess is that
anyone who admits the mistake and makes full financial restitution, and has no
prior offenses, would get a reduced charge, a slap on the wrist, and serve no
time whatsoever for something like this.But then, you're
"loving this whole thing," so I very much doubt that normal justice
would quench your strange thirst for the humiliation of Mahe. Did you grow up
in a culture of knowing that the misfortune of others is not a good thing? Do
you consider yourself "good?" Do good people love the humiliation of
others and relish in their suffering of severe penalties for poor decisions?
UgottaloveMaxie | 10:11 a.m. July 15, 2011 What? So
since "U folks" don't profess to be better, or have morals, or be
righteous that it is... what??? O.K. to be bad? Can they steal gas since they
don't profess to be righteous?ESPN has better things to put on TV,
Like football games. Maybe you've noticed... BYU has 10.
Oh!And he attended BYU?
I have a friend who is a prominent Orange County defense attorney. He recently
defended a former BYU hoops player. I understand that the hoops player is now
accused of a bigger scam and is trouble again.My father formed an
insurance company in Canada with three LDS "businessmen" from Utah.
While the company was perfectly legit, one of the men, who was a bishop in the
Canadian ward, was arrested for illegally selling his personal stock in the
company. The second was arrested by the RCMP while at choir practice for some
malfeasance. The third was just a bad guy and was fired before he did anything
illegal, or at least before he was caught.Point is, church
membership does not guarantee morality. In fact, Mormons are targets to a lot of
scams by a "brother in the gospel." Utah is famous for them. While the
bad guys are probably as rare as mobsters going to mass, it is sad when a former
BYU athlete gets caught up in unethical or criminal activity. But we're all
human. Sometimes we do stupid things.
@ArticunoBYU 10:06 a.m. - you may have noticed, but over 40 people commented on
this story before you, and no one mentioned that Reno Mahe passed up the Y to
attend Utah. Apparently you're the only one who is aware of that.Please admit that you're some kind of poser trying to make BYU fans look
stupid, because if you're really a BYU fan, you're severely dropping our
intelligence average, not only with your error about Mahe's school, but by the
ridiculously embarrassing "no way this happens" if he went to BYU, as
well as the sophomoric mocking of "Utsies" for justifying the conduct
of a BYU player.I'm begging you to please change your school
I thought by now someone would have said the BYU man was set up by the UTE
man...Just the way it seems to work....Go UTES!
"ESPN has better things to put on TV, Like football games."Star fairy,Actually I'm seeing a ESPN "behind the lines"
episode it the works. It fits the guidelines.
DSB, I am loving the comments. I fully acknowledge people do dumb things all
the time. I am included in that, but i have not broken the law outside a few
speeding tickets. I did grow up in a culture that taught me it is wrong to take
anything that does not belong to me, so I don't. Reno mahe grew up in the same
culture but if guilty, he clearly did not take the lesson to heart and
conveniently tucked it away to serve him when it was convenient for him.
@wedgieWeren't you on here bragging about how Reno was at the utes
spring game decked head to toe in utah gear? Maybe wearing all that red junk
clouded his judgment?Where a guy went to school has nothing to do
with this. Obviously these guys did something they shouldn't have been doing,
regardless of what they may have been told they had to know that it couldn't be
completely on the up and up but the thought of getting free gas seems to have
lead them to ignore their better judgment. If guilty, and it sounds like they
are, they will be punished. But as far as the ute trolls trying to
make this an issue with BYU are concerned, well he is wearing your gear now
isn't he? If he is it sounds like his judgement has been tainted by the clothes
he chooses to wear and the company he is currently keeping. No surprise there
@DSBI am a die-hard cougar. My apologies, I Was thinking of someone
else. oh boy oh boy! Do I sure feel sheepish now!
"Please remember the presumption of innocence in a case like this. None of
us really knows what happened, so let's hold off on judgment until this thing
plays out."This presumption only applies in court. There is no
law (or honor code) that should prevent the public from making a judgment based
on the PUBLIC ADMISSION of guilt in the newspaper. Trying to apply a
presumption of innocence outside of court is like me complaining that the
Deseret News is violating my freedom of speech when it invariably censors this
comment - it just doesn't apply.
It's too bad it happened to anyone. (Ute or Cougar) Reno seems like a decent
person. Bad things happen to good people and all of us mess up. Because he used
to be a hero of many, he gets the big publicity. Could happen to anyone. Should
not reflect poorly on his family or any university. That sucks!
Ouch! The whole point of the honor code is to LIVE IT even when you are not in
school. Great exposure for the Church.
Too bad for Junior. If you don't do things right the first time, its all repair
If BYU fans are going to spout out how great character guys are at BYU and
religous and whatnot we are gonna hold you to it. So if you can't take any
criticism about a former BYU/LDS player get out of the kitchen
"I didn't know it was stealing" is the best you could come up with?
Please, do you think the judge is in kindergarten? "I'll pay it back"
you sure will and them some.
Hedging: What is the felony count in BYU and Utah football program history?
Please do the research and return and report.
If someone told me come on over and I will fill up your gas and he was one of my
buddies, I would do it.
There's no such thing as free gas. Really, there isn't!If you have a
conscience, and at least some intelligence, no way you're not going to know
something isn't quite right with this picture when someone offers free gas AFTER
HOURS.Sounds like Reno might need some help, not simply justice.Rationalization is an easy road to a sad life.
Ute fan here. This thing has nothing to do with BYU or the LDS Church. This is
about men who made bad choices and now will experience the consequences of those
choices. To state otherwise is childish, ignorant or simply untruthful.
Tricks and treachery are the practice of fools, that don't have brains enough to
be honest. Benjamin Franklin Let us raise a standard to which
the wise and honest can repair; the rest is in the hands of God. George
Washington I hope I shall possess firmness and virtue enough to
maintain what I consider the most enviable of all titles, the character of an
honest man. George Washington
An honest man's the noblest work of God. Alexander Pope
I have been told repeatedly that the reason we have sports in high schools and
college is that it builds character. But, research has shown the opposite. On
the other hand, participation in debate, drama, music is actually a much better
predictor of long term success. Why don't we stop paying for high school
athletics? Our schools and our kids deserve better.
Wow, this is probably one football player who was not recruited/drafted because
of his smarts - you don't find it a bit suspicious that gas is given to you for
free? that you can only do it at night? that no one else was around except for
your buddy?...And then you are surprised to find out that the gas was
stolen? $2,000 is a lot of free gas. With the lockout, that free gas
sounds good right now.
Reno, you've lost sight of the prize. You've traded integrity for a tank of gas.
To JSB - good point, because as we all know, Snoop Dogg, Britney Spears, Lindsay
Lohan, Charlie Sheen, and all lawyers and politicians are setting such a high
bar for character and integrity.
Once it's been paid back, forgive and forget.
""It wasn't like I needed (A-Core's) gas," he said at the time.
"I'll pay, if that's the deal. I'll pay my portion back if he wasn't
allowed to give it to me. I'm not worried about that part. As a man, you pay
back your debts."As a man, you don't steal. Sounds
a lot like "I take responsibility for my actions." I am so sick of
hearing that. When did accepting the punishment forced upon you because you
were caught become "taking responsibility?"Don't
"take responsibility", act responsibly. And honorably.
Come on all, lay off of Reno. First off he made a mistake. We all make mistakes.
I make them everyday and I am willing to bet that many of you do as well. Second
of all, Reno was not the only person involved. There were four others so why do
you single out one person? Reno is a good guy. Of course he probably knew that
it was not on the up and up but give him a break. I as a Utah fan do not see how
this has anything to do with BYU, football, or anything else related to anything
that we as fans care about. I can only hope that you who are bagging on Reno
Mahe are never thrust into the public sphere for any mistake, big or small, that
you might make. Ridiculous chatter on this issue from both sides as Utah fans
bag on him and BYU fans respond with "Utah has more felons than BYU."
Ummm.... if it seems too good to be true, it probably is. Wisdom for all to
live by in situations involving money.Why would gas be free just
because you pull up to a pump of a company you don't work for ???? Defies the
simplest of logic and doesn't pass the sniff test: why would this company
extend me this benefit? If the guy were doing promotions for the company or
something maybe you can see it making SOME sense... what a mess....
Lots of stones being thrown here.
Gosh, a felony on his record? Hopefully Max Hall and Jan Jorgensen will hire him
at the car wash they are opening up next year in Orem. Good luck Reno!!!!
Living well on and off the field.
Living very well........free gas!