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  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    July 12, 2011 11:29 a.m.

    Sounds like Utah is now part of two conferences the PAC12 and (per bronko)the "State Championship".

    Might want to let Utah in on your little make believe conference.

  • Chris Bryant SLC, UT
    July 12, 2011 12:23 p.m.

    Hedgehog,

    who cares about BYU? rear-view mirror. We got bigger fish to fry. Lets not get into this nonsense anymore.

  • SoCalUtahFan Utesville, CA
    July 12, 2011 1:36 p.m.

    Chris Bryant
    ...who cares about BYU? rear-view mirror. We got bigger fish to fry. Lets not get into this nonsense anymore...

    people driving north on I-15 can't even see BYU...
    It's so far behind...:)

  • owlmaster2 Kaysville, UT
    July 12, 2011 1:57 p.m.

    I could care less about Byu's media day.
    What I want to know is the PAC 12 scheduling and more about the teams Utah is playing.
    I'm afraid the world isn't going to stop or even slow down just because good old Byu has a party.

    Go UTES

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    July 12, 2011 2:41 p.m.

    First four posts not about BYU...

    Fanally, we are over that.

    Rear view mirror...

    ...sooooooo, what cha guys wanna talk about???

  • ute-chute Beverly Hills, CA
    July 12, 2011 2:44 p.m.

    If we can get 8 more teams with sanctions, we can have the Red-White Championship game and the Rosebowl locked up!

    What a great time to be in the PAC!!!

  • BlueSaint South Jordan, UT
    July 12, 2011 4:36 p.m.

    Really quiet in here! Guess not much interest! I'll leave now.

  • SoCalUtahFan Utesville, CA
    July 12, 2011 5:43 p.m.

    @owlmaster2
    ...the world isn't going to stop or even slow down just because good old Byu has a party...

    Wonder if they served red kool-aid at the party...

  • MichiganCoog Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 12, 2011 8:20 p.m.

    SoCalUtahFan,

    "people driving north on I-15 can't even see BYU...It's so far behind...:)

    True, but you can see BYU on National TV (in one way or another) 10-11 times, 7 of those broadcasts from the tip of Maine, to Baja Calif... As for your UTES can you spell ESPN radio 700 on the AM dial? Oh, I forgot on the field and stream channel that some call VS. or was that a regional FSN telecast or whatever that station was?

    Hum, I guess you can't see your Utes either, and that would be no where...Enjoy them big bucks (in 4 years) at the little table in the corner of the PAC10.2 cellar with your new buddy Colorado and Washington State...Yippie!

  • MichiganCoog Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 12, 2011 8:21 p.m.

    chirp, chirp, chirp, chirp....

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    July 12, 2011 9:59 p.m.

    July 12th, 2011

    BYU announces 10 games (plus the bowl) to be played on ESPN!!!

    Utah announces 168 pages and four covers in their media guide...

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    July 12, 2011 10:07 p.m.

    The media guide has been out for over a week as others have shown already.

  • Subscriber Magna, UT
    July 12, 2011 10:08 p.m.

    Gotta love the blue-grey shading for the north-south divisions. Looks like Utah can keep the "Dixie" nickname for southern Utah.

  • mr. j Cottonwood Hts., Ut
    July 12, 2011 10:31 p.m.

    BYU vs. New Mexico St.

    I can see the huge ratings now!!!!

    Everyone from main to the baja: "This is Boring. Let's see whats on TLC."

  • One Nil to the Arsenal! Gilbert, AZ
    July 12, 2011 10:58 p.m.

    @ Michigan Coog

    How old are you? Does you mommy know that you've been secretly getting on the internet again? Great, you have TV exposure, something we will have next year. So you beat us by a year. Woopy do!! Us chaps that have a good job can afford the PAC 12 channel and watch every game. But now you guys have to win BIG games on the road. How does playing New Mexico St, Utah St, San Jose St, Idaho something...on national TV want to make Non LDS 3-4 star athletes continually flock to Provo Utah for 4 years? You'll get a few, but not on a consistent basis. Don't kid yourself. I think once reality sets in when your 3-3 and playing nobodies in Oct & Nov for a lower end bowl, it will finally set in. Good luck running the table every year with games at ND, Texas, GT, WV....because thats what you have to do to go to a BCS bowl. Your just the newest, bluish version of Army & Navy. And lets be honest...your no ND. Hey, look how far their TV exposure has taken them the past 10 years. Kudos.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    July 12, 2011 11:31 p.m.

    One Nil

    Don't kid yourself.

    Utah will NEVER play 10 games on ESPN in a single season. Unless Utah is having an outstanding season, most of Utah's games will be shuffled off to the subscription-only PAC 12 network.

    Beginning in 2013, BYU's October/November WAC games, except for Utah State and Hawaii, will be replaced with lots of quality opponents from the ACC and Big East, courtesy of ESPN.

    "Hey, look how far their [Notre Dame's] TV exposure has taken them the past 10 years.

    Ironically, you just proved how meaningless Utah's BCS bowl appearances really are in the overall scheme of things.

    Notre Dame's television exposure has gotten the Fighting Irish into THREE BCS bowl games in the last 10 years - 2001 Fiesta, 2006 Fiesta, 2007 Sugar - but that didn't even register on your college football success radar. Why? Because Utah fans have made a mountain out of a molehill with their BCS bowl game chest beating.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    July 12, 2011 11:37 p.m.

    @One Nil

    "lets be honest...your no ND. Hey, look how far their TV exposure has taken them the past 10 years."

    Did you know that Notre Dame has played in more BCS games in the last 10 years than Utah?

    Didn't think so.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    July 12, 2011 11:42 p.m.

    hedgy

    "Might want to let Utah in on your little make believe conference."

    No need to. Utah will never qualify for "conference membership" because the Utes are too arrogant to continue scheduling Utah State.

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    July 13, 2011 12:00 a.m.

    Just to clarify, the big news of the day is Utah published an online media guide?

    um, congratulations?

  • Bo Jangles Meridian, ID
    July 13, 2011 12:19 a.m.

    @phoenix... "Notre Dame's television exposure has gotten the Fighting Irish into THREE BCS bowl games in the last 10 years"

    I don't think it was ND's media access that got them into 3 BCS bowl games... it was probably their W-L record and ranking.

    You could say BCS Bowl games are awarded to teams that perform well on the field and not necessarily because a team signs a TV contract. Just my speculation

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    July 13, 2011 6:57 a.m.

    "Notre Dame's television exposure has gotten the Fighting Irish into THREE BCS bowl games in the last 10 years - 2001 Fiesta, 2006 Fiesta, 2007 Sugar - but that didn't even register on your college football success radar"

    Phoenix,

    ND is a BCS team in all practical purposes. They play by much different rules than Army, bYu and Navy. ND would not have gone to three BCS bowl games under the rules bYu accepted.

    Under "special" rules not alloted to bYu, ND had 2 and even 3 loses in each of there BCS appearances.

    If ND had the same "set up" as bYu, they would have never sniffed a BCS game....even with the nations top talent.

    Once again, the only way bYu goes to a BCS game is having a perfect season....something that has not happend in almost 30 years.

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    July 13, 2011 7:19 a.m.

    @ anti BCS

    "Did you know that Notre Dame has played in more BCS games in the last 10 years than Utah?"

    Did you know that Utah has WON more BCS games than Notre Dame?

    BCS Bowl Games:
    Notre Dame 0-3
    Utah 2-0

    TV exposure does not win football games!

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 13, 2011 7:45 a.m.

    All I have to say is this.............a quote from our 1st president George Washington......"There is no greater insult than to be ignored." We all know who never received a call back from any BCS conference as they frantically tried contacting all of them for a "deal" after the world-class learning institution, the University of Utah, received their invite to the fabulous PAC-12. Isn't it a great feeling being a Ute these days and having the "U" representing the state of Utah in the big time?! As Hot Rod Hundley would say......"You gotta love it baby!" Go Utes!

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 13, 2011 7:55 a.m.

    Notre Dame has the best TV contract in the nation.......because they are the most storied, popular football team in the history of college football........enough said.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 13, 2011 10:08 a.m.

    Bo Jangles

    "I don't think it was ND's media access that got them into 3 BCS bowl games... it was probably their W-L record and ranking."

    Don't kid yourself; media exposure, national fanbase, and ranking are all intertwined. That's why you'll often see a two- or three-loss team like Notre Dame, or Ohio State, or Texas, still ranked in the Top 15, sometimes even in the Top 10, while a two- or three-loss Utah team would be lucky to still be ranked at all.

    Notre Dame has lost NINE bowl games in a row, including all three BCS bowls, and hasn't won a bowl game since 1994, yet NBC wouldn't even consider ending their exclusive television contract with Notre Dame.

    Notre Dame was 9-2 in 2000 when they were invited to the Fiesta Bowl, 9-2 for the Fiesta Bowl in 2005, and 10-2 for the Sugar Bowl in 2006, and finished with 3 losses each time.

    By contrast, BYU had 11-2 seasons in 2006, 2007 and 2009, and has won four of their last five bowl games.

    Increased exposure will be huge for building BYU's brand!

  • ChiefSportsFan Denver, CO
    July 13, 2011 1:07 p.m.

    Oh my dear. BYU vs. Utah. Haven't seen this much immaturity since I picked up my little grandson from day-care. Oh wait - they are only 2-4 year-olds and don't know how to act like this.

    All the best to both teams in their respective circumstances; all trolls on both sides really need to get a life, IMO.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2011 4:03 p.m.

    mgr63

    "There is no greater insult than to be ignored."

    You mean like Utah was completely ignored by ABC/ESPN when that PAC 12 television schedule was announced. Utah got their first taste of reality, that the Utes are no longer one of the big boys of the conference.

    BYU will have no such surprises with Independence. In fact, not only has ESPN chosen to broadcast EVERY BYU game that ESPN has rights to this year, ESPN has already announced that the first 8 BYU games next season will be broadcast on ESPN or ESPN2.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2011 4:25 p.m.

    Bleed Crimson

    "Did you know that Utah has WON more BCS games than Notre Dame?

    BCS Bowl Games:
    Notre Dame 0-3
    Utah 2-0

    TV exposure does not win football games!

    True, TV exposure does not win football games, but you get paid just as much for losing a BCS game as for winning a BCS game. $$$ has been the overwhelming focus of Utah fans since Utah was first invited to join the PAC 12. Sure, winning would be nice, but Utah fans don't seem care nearly as much about Utah games being televised, as long as Utah gets lots of $$$.

    For BYU fans:

    Exposure > $$$

    For Utah fans:

    $$$ > Exposure

    Still, we all know Utah fans are green with envy at how many games BYU will be playing on ESPN this coming season.

    If BYU does well, exposure will eventually lead better recruiting and much more $$$, so BYU will have the best of both worlds.

    $$$ will not necessarily bring increased exposure and better recruiting to Utah -- see Washington State.

  • chicagoborn WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    July 13, 2011 5:46 p.m.

    @LonestarRunner

    I think exposure can be a tad overrated sometimes. After all, the MAC has a deal with ESPN and I'm sure that teams such as Northern Illinois and University of Ohio will have more games on ESPN than the U. Does that mean that the MAC teams are in better position than Utah? Of course not. It's nice that BYU has the tv deal but that will not necessarily mean that they will just skyrocket in the next years. And by the way, the athletic budgets for UCLA, Cal, and probably even Washington State are higher than Utah's but look what Utah has done with less money and less exposure.

  • ute-chute Beverly Hills, CA
    July 13, 2011 5:57 p.m.

    @chicagoborn | 5:46 p.m. July 13, 2011
    WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    @LonestarRunner

    "I think exposure can be a tad overrated sometimes."

    I will be watching two of the three Utah games on TV this year.

    What is Versus?

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    July 13, 2011 7:48 p.m.

    chicagoborn

    Apples and orange comparison with BYU and the MAC.

    There isn't a single MAC team that will be playing almost all of its games on ESPN, none of them have a schedule that is even roughly equivalent to BYU's, and, none of their games will be slotted in a favorable time slots, and most importantly, none of them even comes close to the national reputation that BYU enjoys.

  • Classless Ute Fan Magna, UT
    July 14, 2011 1:04 a.m.

    PAC man

    none of them even comes close to the national reputation that BYU enjoys.

    I think that was the point.

    To say that Utah will only have 3 games on TV this year is just plain ridiculous. If you have any questions, just look at the football media guide.

    the remaining 23 windows available for in-season selections, made either six or 12 days prior to the games.

    If the games don't get picked up by ESPN/ABC or FSN/FX and Versus, then they can sell the TV rights to another station, possibly just a local station. Utah doesn't get any TV money from the current contract in place. They WILL get TV money if they can generate their own TV money, which I'm sure will be done. But they have to wait until their contracted provide declines to broadcast the game, which hasn't happened yet.

    In the last 5 years Utah Football has been televised 59 times. In 2012 and every year after, Utah will be on National TV for every game. This year, they might only get local/regional coverage on many games. For BYU fans trying to dog on Utah... get real.

  • Ibleedcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 14, 2011 9:13 a.m.

    The illusion that BYU has much more national appeal than Utah does not hold up when viewed through the only barometer that exists, bowl game TV ratings.

    6 out of the last 9 years both BYU and Utah were in a bowl game, in 4 out of those 6 years, the games the Utes were in received higher viewership ratings than the game BYU was in.

    Last years New Mexico bowl pitting BYU against UTEP had a 24% reduction of viewship over the previous years New Mexico bowl, Wyoming vs. Fresno state. (BTW, where was all this pent up demand from LDS folks that being on ESPN is going to unleash, when they were on national TV at the end of last year?)

    The reality is, in the pantheon of major college football , neither team has the same national appeal as the big boys, yet, but the fans have voted with the ratings, and they'd rather watch Utah!!

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    July 14, 2011 10:30 a.m.

    Ibleedcrimson

    "The illusion that BYU has much more national appeal than Utah does not hold up..."
    Bowl game ratings are hardly the definitive barometer.

    You should check the TV ratings for BYU vs Oklahoma 2009 against ANY regular season game Utah has ever played.

    The definitive barometer for which team has more national appeal is the fact that ABC/ESPN completely ignored Utah when their PAC 12 games were scheduled, while BYU is scheduled to appear on ESPN 10 times this season. Utah doesn't have enough national appeal to warrant their PAC 12 debut at USC being televised by anybody except that old MWC standby, Versus.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    July 14, 2011 10:35 a.m.

    Classless Ute Fan

    "In 2012 and every year after, Utah will be on National TV for every game."

    So is BYU, for the next 8 years, but I'll still take ESPN and an occassional BYUtv game over the PAC 12 channel.

    BYU is already scheduled to play their first EIGHT games of 2012 on ESPN or ESPN2.

  • Ibleedcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 14, 2011 11:12 a.m.

    "You should check the TV ratings for BYU vs Oklahoma 2009 against ANY regular season game Utah has ever played."

    My guess is a few of those fans tuned in to see Oklahoma and a new state of art stadium, just a hunch.

    If that's your barometer how do explain this:

    In 2009-10 more people tuned it to watch:

    Fresno vs. Wyoming
    Cal vs. Utah
    Marshall vs. Ohio
    Central Michigan vs. Troy

    than

    BYU vs. Oregon St.

    I could go on but you get the point.

    The numbers tell it like it is, the national prominence illusion is mainly fabricated by BYU fans, no one outside of the members of the LDS church care that much about watching them.

    Thats not a bad thing it's just the reality!

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2011 11:55 a.m.

    Ibleedcrimson

    You're trying to convince us of the validity of your own myopic barometers, when, quite obviously, they're meaningless to the Worldwide Leader in Sports.

    BYU's national prominence is proven by these simple facts:

    --ESPN signed an exclusive 8-year contract with BYU to market BYU games.

    --ESPN has already scheduled EVERY available BYU game this season and BYU's first EIGHT games for next season, BEFORE BYU has played their first game as an independent.

    --ESPN arranged the BYU-Oklahoma game in Dallas Cowboys Stadium in 2009 as a made-for-TV event. (Why didn't ESPN invite Sugar Bowl champion Utah instead?)

    --ESPN arranged the BYU-TCU game in Dallas Cowboys Stadium this year as a made-for-TV event.

    --ESPN arranged the BYU-West Virgina game in Washington Redskins Stadium in 2016 as a made-for-TV event.

    Why would ESPN schedule/arrange all of these games for a team that isn't nationally prominent?

    And, if Utah really is such a ratings magnet, why would ABC/ESPN choose NOT to broadcast Utah's PAC 12 debut against nationally prominent USC?

    This isn't a fabrication by BYU fans. This is reality.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    July 14, 2011 12:31 p.m.

    Nice to see Coach Witt getting respect from sports writers outside Utah.

  • Ibleedcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 14, 2011 12:49 p.m.

    Swoop

    You and the other spinners care to comment of the ratings and set the ESPN is our heavnely father talk down for awhile?

    go back as many years as you want the Illusion the the rest of the world cares what about BYU football is just that an illusion, the ratings don't lie!

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    July 14, 2011 7:25 p.m.

    Ibleedcrimson

    Stop with your delusional ratings spin already!

    If Utah's ratings were really as significant as you pretend them to be, ESPN never would have passed up the opportunity to televise Utah's PAC 12 debut at USC.

    Ratings may not lie, but your biased interpretation of the ratings, does.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    July 14, 2011 7:50 p.m.

    Classless Ute Fan

    "To say that Utah will only have 3 games on TV this year is just plain ridiculous. If you have any questions, just look at the football media guide.

    the remaining 23 windows available for in-season selections, made either six or 12 days prior to the games."

    And how many of those 23 windows do you think Utah will fit into for ABC/ESPN broadcasts, when they didn't even want Utah's premier game at USC?

  • Classless Ute Fan Magna, UT
    July 15, 2011 12:44 a.m.

    TheSportsAuthority

    ***And how many of those 23 windows do you think Utah will fit into for ABC/ESPN broadcasts, when they didn't even want Utah's premier game at USC?***

    Hopefully, none. Because Utah wouldn't make money off of the game if they do. Utah only makes money off of new revenue that they bring in. So, broadcasting games off of the contract doesn't make them any money. The ESPN factor will only help a team so much. Really it comes down to being able to win big games. BYU has only been able to beat 2 top 25 teams (end of year ranking) since 1998, Utah and TCU. Good luck trying to beat 2 or more in 1 year.

    Lonestarrunner,

    ***$$$ will not necessarily bring increased exposure and better recruiting to Utah -- see Washington State.***

    The PAC 10/12 just voted to get equal profit sharing for the conference. I believe that this goes into effect next year with the new TV contract. So, Washington St hasn't had the money advantage that USC, CAL, Oregon, and Stanford have enjoyed. So, your argument really doesn't make sense, since they were getting between 2-3 Mil/year. Great Coaching > exposure + money

  • hymn to the silent Holladay, UT
    July 15, 2011 1:23 p.m.

    Children children children...there is a game on every minute of the day. What fans want is to watch a franchise, they want the latest story, they want to watch THE game. So TV contracts are a good start, but mean nothing if nobody is interested. More people watched the Utes in the sugarbowl than will watch BYU this year...unless they beat somebody good early on and the Nation get's Jimmered into thinking BYU can run the table. Same for the Utes, with just a little more forgiveness since the schedule is tougher. More people will watch in the beginning because of the better conference and interest in who is making their way to a National Championship; lose a few games and ratings drop. Now everybody chill until the season is underway and we have something substantial to talk about. And please, ESPN is not the holy grail...check out ratings on superbowls, world series, Olympics, etc. It's the time slot and footprint that matters.

  • utesovertide Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2011 1:00 a.m.

    "ESPN never would have passed up the opportunity to televise Utah's PAC 12 debut at USC."

    That line is slightly disingenuous. Under the current Pac 12 contract for 2011, which is the old Pac 10 contract, USC has the rights to the game alongside the FOX network. If you go and look at ye olde Pac 10's TV contract, it was a piecemeal contract with quite a bit of complexity and quite a few different players involved.

    It is probably more of a rights issue than anything that the game is not available on ESPN.

  • CG Orem, UT
    July 17, 2011 10:36 a.m.

    utesovertide

    "It is probably more of a rights issue than anything that the game is not available on ESPN."

    A couple of months ago ABC/ESPN went through the PAC 12 schedule and picked the initial games they wanted to televise. The could have picked ANY PAC 12 home game, but they passed on Utah at USC.

    The painful truth is, ABC/ESPN had rights to Utah's PAC 12 debut at USC, they just didn't think the game was a big enough deal for them to want to televise it.

  • utesovertide Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2011 1:13 p.m.

    CG:

    That's your perception. Like I said ESPN/ABC doesn't have rights to very many Pac 12 games this year because of the old Pac 10 contract. I've read all kinds of articles about it including stuff from Jon Wilner. They can go through the Pac 12 schedule all they want but if the games for that weekend was already contracted out they either have to buy the game out or pass on it. Find me an article that disproves what I've read on it and I'll change my belief.

    Until then, I will guarantee you it is a rights issue.

    And to be honest, I don't care who televises the game as long as its not the mtn. Funny how you guys are all twitterpated by ESPN just because they made a contract with you. ESPN/ABC/FOX made a landmark deal with the Pac 12 for $3 Billion over the next 12 years but it doesn't suddenly make me think ESPN is the end all of sports broadcasting.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 19, 2011 8:30 p.m.

    I believe we'll continue to see more additions like this, to fill up the middle part of our schedule. By 2013 or 2014, I think we'll have a schedule that is comparable to AQ conferences, excluding the SEC.

    I'd much rather play a solid C-USA opponent like So Miss or UCF than one of the bottom teams in an AQ conference like Washington St or Colorado.

    Some U trolls like to brag about their record against AQ conference teams, but their recent games include a lot of teams like Louisville (2X) and Iowa St. So Miss is at a much better team than these type of programs.

    Most preseason polls have So Miss in the 40 - 55 range, which is the same range as Oregon State, Cal, and Arizona.

    All indications are that So Miss will continue to perform comparable to a middle team in an AQ conference.

    Great addition to the schedule, and more proof that we are going to be able to have a solid schedule going forward. Go Cougs!

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    July 20, 2011 4:30 p.m.

    "Some U trolls like to brag about their record against AQ conference teams, but their recent games include a lot of teams like Louisville (2X) and Iowa St. So Miss is at a much better team than these type of programs"

    kewgfantex,

    Hmmmm, were to start.

    Lousiville be So. Miss in it's bowl game last year
    Iowa st. beat down Texas (at Texas) last year.

    You have zero creditability.