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  • Marky boy SAINT GEORGE, UT
    July 11, 2011 11:08 a.m.

    You didn't write about the RMFL championship, that's OK, it's on the dixiesunlink site.

  • Daventry1701 SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 11, 2011 11:40 a.m.

    In other news, Salt Lake City gets the bid for the 2002 winter olympics

  • Chase Saint George, UT
    July 11, 2011 11:51 a.m.

    Predictions mean little. Let the utes play it out.

    However, the disrespect is entertaining.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    July 11, 2011 12:42 p.m.

    The Utes may surprise some in the down PAC12 South but have a long road to constant top tier competition.

  • SoCalUtahFan Utesville, CA
    July 11, 2011 2:25 p.m.

    1)...the best way to reach the BCS and/or the national championship is to play in an AQ conference, which gives Utah a significant edge...

    2)...Whittingham has a slightly more established staff, highlighted by new offensive coordinator Norm Chow...

    3)...until the day BYU either gains AQ-conference affiliation or the sport's postseason model undergoes a radical restructuring, it will always face a ceiling that no longer besets Utah...

    4)...also expect Utah to reap the benefits of Pac-12 membership in recruiting...

    5)...Whittingham had the bigger achievement of the two (2008's undefeated Sugar Bowl season) and more recent success (three straight seasons with 10 or more wins)...

    All positives. All make sense.

    Good job, Chris Hill.

    Good job, Kyle.

  • SportsCenter Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 11, 2011 3:08 p.m.

    SoCalUtahFan

    "All positives. All make sense."

    and all comparisons to your big brother down south...

    such is the reality of the fanbase that supposedly moved on a year ago.

    btw, you forgot to mention how much all of those "positives" meant to ESPN when they were deciding which team they wanted to see the most on the worldwide leader this coming season.

  • MenaceToSociety Draper, UT
    July 11, 2011 3:35 p.m.

    SportsCenter:

    Ute-Hater. Root for your own team and quit trolling on Ute stories.

  • SoCalUtahFan Utesville, CA
    July 11, 2011 3:45 p.m.

    Sportcenter

    All are just comments/opinions from an independent source outside of Utah.

  • MichiganCoog Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 11, 2011 3:51 p.m.

    Athlon got it right, no RB's w/ any D-1 experience returning, a shaky QB w/ a arm that is still healing (and a "deer-in-the-headlights" mentality when under pressure), and one big-mouthed WR returning, the Utes should fit quite nicely in that 3rd or 4th position in the PAC10.2 South that most publications have placed them...after a 1-2 start, and the likelihood of a 6-6 finish are about right. Anything better than that is a stretch of anyones imagination.

    Good luck Utes, yar gonna need it...

  • riddlemethis Clearfield, UT
    July 11, 2011 4:00 p.m.

    MenaceToSociety wrote:

    MenaceToSociety | 3:35 p.m. July 11, 2011
    Draper, UT
    SportsCenter:

    Ute-Hater. Root for your own team and quit trolling on Ute stories.
    ----

    "root for your own team" says the guy who just 6 mins ago trolled a BYU story about Tanner Magnum:

    MenaceToSociety | 3:29 p.m. July 11, 2011
    Draper, UT
    If this kid is that good, good chance he ends up at a Pac 12 school eventually. Why settle for the Y if you don't have to?

  • williary Kearns, UT
    July 11, 2011 5:25 p.m.

    @MichiganCoog

    All the wishful thinking of Cougar fans for the Utes to implode doesn't change one fact.

    UTAH STATE 31 BYU 16

    Considering you're Heisman hopeful has 1 win over a team who finished above .500, and that win extremely tainted per the MWC, I'll take my chances with the team Utah will field.

    It will be very challenging for Utah, no doubt. Their schedule is much more difficult than the Cougs. Ole Miss would be 0-9 in the Pac-12. Texas is a mess. Catching TCU after Dalton leaves. Plus the WAC! Schedule sets up nicely for BYU. But that's been said before, and they still couldn't close the deal and do what Utah's already done.

  • SoCalTrueBlue2 San Diego, CA
    July 11, 2011 5:54 p.m.

    Response to SoCalUtahFan's comment re "2)...Whittingham has a slightly more established staff, highlighted by new offensive coordinator Norm Chow..."
    I am amused by Utah fans' excitement over the hiring of Norm Chow, who left UCLA rather than be demoted. Yes, he had a long successful run as offensive coordinator at BYU, but he was also the offensive coordinator at UCLA when BYU smacked them 59-0.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 11, 2011 7:33 p.m.

    williary

    Considering that that true Freshman QB was surrounded by new skill position players, but threw almost as many TDs in the final 6 games of Freshman season as your seasoned QB threw during his entire Sophomore season, 14 vs 17, I'd be much more worried about the impending implosion of the Utah offense, especially since Wynn has absolutely no experienced skill players surrounding him this season.

    Utah will be holding its collective breath to see how Wynn responds the first time a blitzing Trojan linebacker flattens him. If Jordan responds with his typical deer in the headlights, happy feet, throwing off the wrong foot response, Utah is in serious trouble.

    You may want to hold off on resorting to the more difficult schedule spin so early, because it's going to sound like a broken record by season's end when Heaps is lighting up scoreboards and Utah is struggling to score a single FG.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 11, 2011 8:06 p.m.

    Further, Utah is replacing all four starters from a secondary that ranked 88th in the nation in pass efficiency defense -- or ninth in the Pac-10. (Lindley completed 36 of 54 passes for a career-high 528 yards and four touchdowns in a 38-34 defeat to the Utes; Dalton completed 21 of 26 for 355 yards and three TDs in a 47-7 win; Moore was 28 of 38 for 339 yards and two TDs in a 26-3 win). The preliminary returns on the secondary from spring practices were hopeful: There's nice young talent across the board. But if you're looking for an area where the Utes will most feel an uptick in competition in the Pac-12, it's defending sophisticated passing games led by future NFL quarterbacks on a week-to-week basis.- Ted Miller

    He may have given a somewhat positive review of the d-ends, but he was none to nice to Utah's secondary. I happen to think that the offensive line is the key for Utah. They get them in sync and they will do just fine.

  • MichiganCoog Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 11, 2011 8:12 p.m.

    Williary,

    Thanks for bring that score up, because that will be the minimum span that BYU will win over your might green utes. My bet, will be 38-17 BYU over Utah on September 17th. Jordan Wynn will be counting stars in the heavens that night after at least 3 sacks and many more TFL's once BYU's LB corp get thru with him.

    Watch out for Montana State, their ranked 5th in their division (pre-season) nationally. I smell another Houston Baptist moment coming...

  • InTheMoney LAS VEGAS, NV
    July 11, 2011 8:12 p.m.

    Vegas would be shocked if the Utes were not battling for a South division title in year 1...professionals at LVSC have Utah at the top of the South.

    There isn't a prop or line for the Independent conference. Not sure why the BYU folks bother saying anything when they won't have anything to play for after losing two of their first three. It's undefeated or nothing for them. Lighting up the scoreboard against the dregs of the WAC for half the season might look nice in the statbook but it truly means nothing to the big game makers.

    Should be fun to watch the new conferences this season. And for everyone here, the 2011 MWC has two teams better than either Utah or BYU.

  • UteRealist South Jordan, UT
    July 11, 2011 8:23 p.m.

    So, according to a few Hacks like cuger1 and uteanamous, the Utes should just lay down and maybe not play the season. Utah will take their licks due to a tougher schedule than the MWC week in and week out. The Utah fans will worry about it.

    You Provo fans need to worry about reaching as many wins as last year and piling up stats on Idaho. At that point, your team can prepare to play another Independent. At least you will be on espn.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    July 11, 2011 8:58 p.m.

    UteUnRealist

    Any Utah fan who watched the dismantling of the Utah offense during the second half of last season and how inept their starting QB was, should be worried about the potential disaster awaiting the Utes relying on wounded Wynn leading the Utes into their first year in the PAC 12.

    Every BYU fan who watched Heaps' dramatic improvement during the 2nd half of the season is excited to see Jake leading the Cougars into their first year of Independence. If all Utah fans saw in Heaps was the level of the competition, they entirely missed the real reason for Jake's improvement.

    BYU reaching as many wins as they did last year is a given.

    Utah reaching as many wins as BYU did last year is iffy.

  • govt rocks Salt Lake City, UT
    July 11, 2011 9:37 p.m.

    I am just glad everyone has crystal balls. No need to play the games. Everyone has them figured out. The fact of the matter is that over the course of a season, many things happen, some good and some bad. Anyone who remembers 2008 knows that the Utah offense sucked for most of the season. But that team put themselves in a position to take advantage of mistakes made by their opponents and found ways to win games. Not saying Utah will do that this year, they do have too many question marks. But they certainly have the talent to compete in every game they play in this year, which is a great starting point.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 11, 2011 11:15 p.m.

    Is BYU being ranked 40th a couple of weeks better than the Utes 48th this week?

    Wow! Mangum at 19th, 4 stars, and the U's stock is falling!

  • OU812 Layton, UT
    July 12, 2011 12:36 a.m.

    Keep this MUM! They announced the winners of the Directors Cup and the best team: Stanford. Best Conference: PAC 12 with 9 championships. It could burst a few bubbles down south.

  • Classless Ute Fan Magna, UT
    July 12, 2011 2:30 a.m.

    @TheSportsAuthority,

    ***Every BYU fan who watched Heaps' dramatic improvement during the 2nd half of the season is excited to see Jake leading the Cougars into their first year of Independence.***

    You call BYU beating a couple of "cream puffs" to get to .500 a dramatic improvement? Isn't that what BYU fans called those teams when Utah destroyed them?

    ***Any Utah fan who watched the dismantling of the Utah offense during the second half of last season and how inept their starting QB was, should be worried about the potential disaster awaiting the Utes relying on wounded Wynn leading the Utes into their first year in the PAC 12.***

    I was worried/concerned about what was going on with the team, and then we found out at the end of the season that Wynn was playing injured since the Iowa St game. With surgery, problem fixed. But how will your team fix their problems? Even with the "greatest QB recruit in the nation", they couldn't even beat a hobbling injured Wynn nor USU. Whatcha gonna do when Wynn's playing healthy?

    If you don't think that Utah has the athletes to win, you should look at their awesome roster.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    July 12, 2011 2:33 a.m.

    SoCalTrueBlue2

    "I am amused by Utah fans' excitement over the hiring of Norm Chow, who left UCLA rather than be demoted. Yes, he had a long successful run as offensive coordinator at BYU, but he was also the offensive coordinator at UCLA when BYU smacked them 59-0."

    You misinterpret our excitement.

    We replaced the inexperienced Dave Schramm with offensive vet Norm Chow... which, no matter how you cut it, is a big improvement. In addition to his experience, Chow also brings a wealth of knowledge about the Pac-12... something we figure is gonna be pretty valuable.

    Exactly what part of that is amusing to you?

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    July 12, 2011 2:42 a.m.

    Uteanymous

    "Considering that that true Freshman QB was surrounded by new skill position players, but threw almost as many TDs in the final 6 games of Freshman season as your seasoned QB threw during his entire Sophomore season, 14 vs 17, I'd be much more worried about the impending implosion of the Utah offense, especially since Wynn has absolutely no experienced skill players surrounding him this season."

    DeVonte Christopher (WR)
    Reggie Dunn (WR)
    John White IV (RB)
    John Cullen (LT)
    Tony Bergstrom (RT)
    Kendrick Moeai (TE)

    Exactly where are these inexperienced skill players you speak of?

  • Classless Ute Fan Magna, UT
    July 12, 2011 3:57 a.m.

    Sammyg,

    Is BYU being ranked 40th a couple of weeks better than the Utes 48th this week?
    Wow! Mangum at 19th, 4 stars, and the U's stock is falling!

    The "Pre-season" 48th team in 1 magazine is mainly the outlier not the norm. I'm not sure what you are reading but I read on ESPN college football homepage that Utah is being voted by the fans as the likely favorite to win the PAC 12 South division by nearly 10% higher than the next team. If you think that all of the votes are coming from just Utah, look at the map and see how much of it is in favor of the UTES. Maybe those BCS victories did put us on the map, literally.

    On another article on rivals that talks about the 10 best teams in winning percentage not in the top 25 of recruiting over the last 10 years.
    First, Boise St., TCU, and Utah just 3rd.

    Could you run down to the ticket office and buy me season tickets to the Utah games? Oh right, they've been long sold out.

    Seems your U's stock is falling statement a little erroneous.

  • utahutesfanatic Palos Verdes Peninsula, CA
    July 12, 2011 9:03 a.m.

    When you look at Athlon's writeup of Utah they say 4th in the South for the Utes, but then you look at there season conference prediction and they have the Utes at third in the South. So, third it is.

  • carabaoU Moab, UT
    July 12, 2011 9:31 a.m.

    I find it quite ironic how many BYU fans prophesy about how the UTES first season in PAC-12 will go. BYU fans have stewardship over BYU, not UTAH. The same can be said for some UTAH fans.

    Please clarify if you are giving us your opinion by using such words as "I think...", "In my opinoin...", "I predict...", etc. By saying "UTAH/BYU will..." is communicated as prophecy.

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    July 12, 2011 9:44 a.m.

    Utah ceiling is USC

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 12, 2011 10:17 a.m.

    @ou812

    "
    Keep this MUM! They announced the winners of the Directors Cup and the best team: Stanford. Best Conference: PAC 12 with 9 championships."

    Well I am glad you are making the adjustment to cheering for the conference your school is in rather than your school itself because if you want something to celebrate in the future it is going to have to be celebrating for schools like Stanford and the conference as a whole.

    LOL!

  • bgl Santa Monica, CA
    July 12, 2011 10:56 a.m.

    Tomahawk Re--I feel your passion, buddy---but offensive line positions are not skill positions (although those you mentioned are great players) and Reggie Dunn and John White aren't really experienced players. It's a fair critique of the Utes to say that Jordan Wynn has few experienced skill players surrounding him. I would hope that Luke Matthews and Griff McNabb would come through and that Harvey Langi becomes the surprise of the season.

  • OU812 Layton, UT
    July 12, 2011 11:45 p.m.

    Sorry duckhunter, but not a Ute fan, I just like laughing at hilarious comments and predictions out of utah. And most come from the Y. Sometimes the U as well, But at least they have backed up a few.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    July 13, 2011 12:20 p.m.

    duckhunter:

    OU812 has shown to not be a Ute fan. However, I am one. In the past I have "cheered" for teams in the MWC to beat teams from other conferences to improve the conference ratings. For example, previously I would "cheer" Colorado St. to beat Colorado. Now, I'll do the opposite. I think that conference power rankings helped Utah get the nod over Boise St. in the BCS for both 2004 and 2008. Doesn't change the fact I truly cheer for Utah.

    Of course you won't cheer for any conference teams since the Y is now independent. But somehow, I believe, many Y fans will be "cheering" for the likes of Ole Miss and Texas to do well-since it makes the Cougars schedule look better. Don't believe me? Wait for the posts...

  • UBOUND SAN BERNARDINO, CA
    July 13, 2011 3:46 p.m.

    I dont want to rain on anybody's parade, but the reference to Jordan Wynn's surgury as"problem fixed", tells me that all the info you are getting is from reading the comments or the local papers. You havn't been to the"U" and watched the summer work outs. I can tell you this as absolute fact. The problem is"not" fixed. No zip and no distance. You can take that to the bank!

  • aggieblue Saint George, UT
    July 14, 2011 10:05 a.m.

    Utahfantstic or what:

    Third in south is because SC can't win and offically can't finish above u.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    July 15, 2011 7:58 a.m.

    No crystal ball here. But look at the guarantees. If Utah has a losing season they are still in the PAC-12. If BYU has a losing season it will be on national television.
    If Utah has a winning season they can slip into the PAC-12 national TV exposure and possible Rose Bowl.
    If BYU has a winning season it will be on national television.