I wish the authors had defined freedom. Im grateful for the freedoms that I
enjoy, namely 1) the freedom of not following my father, and all of my uncles,
into the coal mines but instead become a college professor, 2) the freedom to
convert to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, 3) the freedom to
move to Idaho and still be a Democrat, 4) the freedom to travel to different
places, 5) the freedom to own my own home, 6) the freedom to read the
Constitution for myself and not rely on a talk show host to tell me what it
means, 7) the freedom to agree or disagree with my governmental leaders and work
to get laws enacted or repealed, 8) the freedom of speech to advocate a
healthcare system similar to the one in Vermont and try to get enough people to
agree with me so that it becomes the law of the state, 9) the freedom to surf
the internet, and 10) the freedom to make this comment.
I haven't yet read the book, but I would argue that the defeat of the Spanish
Armada in the 16th century ranks up there among those events that contributed to
freedom, in this case, religious freedom. And they don't even mention the
American Revolutions, which created the largest, most powerful, free nation in
the history of mankind? Plus the American revolution inspired many others,
including France, and most of the European kingdoms to succumb to the demand for
freedom among their citizens.
From all indications, this is a worthy book, but I too think the the 1588 defeat
of the "invincible" armada ranks above some of the events they list.
Since parts of the Magna Carta (1215) are in the U.S. Constitution, I think it
should be in a list too, as well as other events. There are many events that
almost had to happen for freedom to ultimately be won (though much sacrifice and
incredible persistence). Some of the religious milestones in Europe (John
Wycliffe's contributions, also Willaim Tyndale, Martin Luther, etc) were also
stepping stones in recognition of free agency. I think it is great that there is
enough interest in the topic for the book to be successful, and I wish these
authors well in continuing their work in promoting understanding of the
wonderful elusive quality of freedom.
I knew Ted when I lived in Washington and we were both working on the Hill.
He's a really sharp guy.I read their first book and I liked it a
lot. I have no doubt that they have narrowed their work down to these seven
examples for a reason. I'm sure they haven't discounted the other events
mentioned in the previous posts, but they probably wanted to take a slightly
different angle in the unfolding story. God works his will in a
deliberate manner, but he must work through the will of mankind in order for
agency to be preserved. That's why it often takes so long for his will to be
accomplished. These events represent God's engagement in the lives of his
children in order to bring about our salvation.Good luck with your
book, you guys. I'm sure it's great.
I am all for freedom, who isn't. Does freedom mean absence of government as
many on the far right believe. Are we really free when others are oppressed and
impoverished. I believe we are on the wrong path in America. There are two
types of freedom, economic and political. Right now political trumps economic
in america. We can vote and freely criticize the government. Unfortunately the
wealthy and large corporations have gained power at the expense of the middle
class. According to Doug Wright on KSL 1 tenth of 1 percent of wage earners
take home 10 percent of all wages. Economic disparity allows leads to civil
unrest. I can see it happening here. A lot of people are hurting and it is not
due to laziness or lack of motivation.
I have talked with many of the Tea Party leaders on line and in person and
studied their writings beginning with Cleon Skousen. None of them advocate an
absence of Government, they are not anarchists. They advocate a reduction in
bloated Federal and State Governments who want to regulate many of our choices
and do away with personal responsibility. They want equal opportunity for all
to succeed or fail. And they recognize that immoral, unethical multilateral
corporations are just as much a threat to freedom as are bloated governments.
Most of all they want an educated, self reliant, thinking for yourself public
not a nanny state who takes from those who succeed and gives it as a right to
those who haven't. The price of liberty is eternal vigilance and involvement to
keep us free of regulations and debt.
I read the authors' previous book, "Seven Miracles that Saved
America," and, among other reasons, was disappointed when they made a big
deal out of the Emancipation Proclamation but neglected to mention that it only
referred to the slaves within the Confederacy amn not to the slaves within the
four states of the Union as well. While I have a pretty decent understanding of
the other events of that book, enabling me to approach it with something of a
critical eye, I would approach this new book with a certain feeling of
vulnerability -- not knowing what key facts are being left out or distorted.And a comment to FDRfan: I concur with your list of freedoms, but your
apparent pro-union bias (given your coal-miner origins) likely prevents your
understanding that FDR's pro-union measures were among several key factors that
unnecessarily prolonged the Depression.
Thanks. Both books were great. I'm certain that there are many other places in
history where things were decided in a split second or in a seemingly small way,
but one of the things that makes the books enjoyable is one can read them both
in a short amount of time and savor the information. I appreciated the research
and foot notes that will enable me to gain further knowledge of those points
that were chosen.