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  • TheFitz Murray, UT
    July 1, 2011 1:08 p.m.

    We win

  • Itchy Lehi, UT
    July 1, 2011 1:11 p.m.

    This is probably the biggest no-brainer headline ever. Obviously, Utah came out a winner with it's Pac-12. The only possible drawback to the Pac-12 move is that wins will be harder to come by, but I'm sure the Utes are up to the task!

  • rpjense West Jordan, UT
    July 1, 2011 1:25 p.m.

    Kind of interesting ... just over a year ago, many U of U fans were among those condemning the BCS. In fact, didn't Senator Hatch join the chorus? What has changed about the BCS? Isn't it still a cartel? Or, now that Utah is in the mix, is everything OK?

  • Teddy Bear Las Vegas, NV
    July 1, 2011 1:39 p.m.

    Thank you, Mr. Obvious. Declaring Utah as a big winner is kind of a no-brainer. Join a BCS conference and partake in a new, lucrative TV deal, considering their previous conference affiliation.

  • SoCalUtahFan Utesville, CA
    July 1, 2011 1:54 p.m.

    @rpjense
    ...What has changed about the BCS? Isn't it still a cartel? Or, now that Utah is in the mix, is everything OK? ...

    Utah is a Major.
    Utah has status of AQ school now.

    Everything may not be Ok still, but we don't care much for the mid-majors any more.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    July 1, 2011 2:07 p.m.

    "Isn't it still a cartel? Or, now that Utah is in the mix, is everything OK?"


    rpense,

    Yes the evil cartel has brought Utah over 27 million with untold prestige, exposure and the chance to play in the rose bowl....yes, everything is A OK!

  • SLC BYU Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    July 1, 2011 2:08 p.m.

    I guess Ute fans will assert this makes BYU a loser?

  • custer Boise, ID
    July 1, 2011 2:30 p.m.

    Utah will be a winner with the move to the Pac 12, only if the Utes football and basketball teams deliver an abundance of victories. I believe the Utes will find it very difficult to win, especially on the road, in the PAC 12. We will soon find out.

    I don't believe Ute fans will be happy with the move to the Pac 12, if the Utes turn-out average to below average won-loss records year after year.

  • Nikon Guy Henderson, NV
    July 1, 2011 2:36 p.m.

    Man, Ute fans are a bunch of hypocrites. Just as rpjense said just a year or two ago you guys said the BCS isn't fair because Utah was left out of the NC game. Now that Utah is part of the BCS cartel it's ok because money rules? I guess even in the conservative state of Utah money makes everything ok.

    As far as not caring about the "little guys" or mid-majors Utah shouldn't have such a elitist attitude becuase one day it may come back to bite you. I don't know what but it might. Just remember your roots because those cool new friends may not be so kind if things go sour...

  • SoCalUtahFan Utesville, CA
    July 1, 2011 2:56 p.m.

    @SLC BYU Fan
    ...BYU a loser?

    Can't argue with you there. So I have to agree with you.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    July 1, 2011 2:59 p.m.

    rpjense,

    Everything is ok as far as I am concerned. It's kind of like gaining statehood. Before statehood Utah was always in a fight with the federal government. Once granted statehood a lot of those battles went away.

    Custer,

    That's funny comment coming from someone with a username like custer. As I recall the indians won that battle. The Utes will get their victories in the PAC 12 as well.

  • Tommy2Shoes Lehi, UT
    July 1, 2011 3:01 p.m.

    Association in the PAC 12 Conference is a great leap ahead for the State of Utah. If I want I can see some pretty decent football and basketball programs play the U. I choose not to attend events at the U because I'm usually busy attending events at my Alma Mater. Support your school and it's cool.

  • SoCalUtahFan Utesville, CA
    July 1, 2011 3:06 p.m.

    @Nikon Guy

    Don't be mistaken.
    It is still not okay (ie not fair) that BCS did not allow 2008 Utah team to play in NC.
    If this year, a 12-0 BSU or 12-0 TCU with as strong schedule as 2008 Utah had, it is still not fair to leave them out of NC.

    As for now? It's just not our battle anymore.
    We are moving on and up.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 1, 2011 3:11 p.m.

    SLC BYU Fan:

    We don't need to "assert" anything. The fact that you are now asking the question is sufficient.

  • Duh west jordan, ut
    July 1, 2011 3:12 p.m.

    Utah won't even care if they win or lose, they will still have the money. Of course they don't care about the BCS anymore, they have AQ status and that too is all that matters. I am not a Ute fan but they got a great deal. And for my fellow BYU fans who think Utah is going to just be mediocre in this conference, you know nothing about football. Utah is much better than that. They will adjust and they will win. Lets not be a hedgehog, lets give Utah credit where credit is due.

  • BaneOfHedgehog Bothell, WA
    July 1, 2011 3:22 p.m.

    Not in a 100 years will the Utes ever see the Rose Bowl (unless you buy a ticket).

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    July 1, 2011 3:26 p.m.

    @ Nikon Guy

    "Man, Ute fans are a bunch of hypocrites. Just as rpjense said just a year or two ago you guys said the BCS isn't fair because Utah was left out of the NC game. Now that Utah is part of the BCS cartel it's ok because money rules? I guess even in the conservative state of Utah money makes everything ok."

    "If you can't beat them, join them"! The BCS isn't going anywhere, anytime soon! The Non-AQ schools can fight the BCS all they want, but there is too much money involved for the AQ schools to give up.

  • BlueSaint South Jordan, UT
    July 1, 2011 3:27 p.m.

    Okay....Utah wins! Now, where can I see a game?

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 1, 2011 4:30 p.m.

    I mostly agree with the article. Utah is a big winner. Hopefully, they will continue to win on the field (except against BYU) and make us proud.

    However, at this point BYU's move has to be looked at as a win. Independence is certainly better than the MWC. The money is better. The exposure is better. Recruiting seems to be on track. What's not to like?

    I can't imagine the MWC would be considered for AQ status. The new strength of the MWC is basically the old strength of the WAC, with the exception of Air Force.

    I would still rather see BYU as an Independent than part of an AQ MWC. Now the Big 12, that's a different conversation.

    I actually hope the MWC get's AQ status because it looks like BYU will be playing one or two teams from that conference on a regular basis. Boise State already has four games with the Y. I wouldn't be surprised to see a mix of Air Force, UNLV and SDSU in future years.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 1, 2011 4:39 p.m.

    Congrats, Utes! Your day is here. If you have another basketball season like the last one, it still is a season in the PAC.

    And if you have another football season like 2008, you may well finally have an NC trophy of your own. It really is pretty cool, and no, it never gets old.

  • Ldsfan South Jordan, UT
    July 1, 2011 5:11 p.m.

    No losers today! Utah got what it wanted and so did BYU. Both are in better situations so let's all be happy for the moment.

  • Target Provo, Utah
    July 1, 2011 5:11 p.m.

    Why did the DN put the "Red Round-up" link only on the BYU boards. It seems like the media try to stir up contention between the two fan-bases with shenanigans like this!

    Good luck, Utes. I'm honestly happy for you.

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    July 1, 2011 5:19 p.m.

    As a Ute Fan, I'm excited about being in the Pac 12. I still think the BCS is should not exclude anyone and their system is not good. When my Utes go undefeated again in the future and so do two other teams, my Utes may not get a chance at a NC.

    I believe there should be a bcs bowl for winners of MWC. I believe TCU, Boise and Utah could beat anyone in their best years but we'll never know.

    I think the biggest losers in the conference realignment is Boise State. They have one year with TCU and then have to deal with a bunch of "mediocres" and poor programs again. The other biggest losers are the MTN channel and the MWC commissioner that really blew it.

    Back to reality: Go Utes!

  • I Still Can't Say It Holladay, UT
    July 1, 2011 6:23 p.m.

    For every winner, there's a loser. The Utes earned their PAC 12 bid and are the big-time winners.

    So who's the loser in this equation? You don't need to think about it until you're blue in the face...... :)

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 1, 2011 6:26 p.m.

    More money? Good. Maybe that will lower tuition, or don't student get to benefit from the gravy train?

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 1, 2011 6:44 p.m.

    Unfortunately this first season's involuntary tv 'blackout' is pretty silly to cope with but beyond that we all hope that everyone will be able to 'see' their teams on HD.

    As far as success on the field, etc. we shall see if this meets everyone's expectations.

    Good luck.

  • bigj5661 Ogden, UT
    July 1, 2011 6:56 p.m.

    Either way you look at this, the Pac 12 is good for the Utes. They can lose every game, but still have guaranteed money from the TV contract and guaranteed conference money. Remember, if a team goes to a BCS game, all schools in the conference get a part of the revenue, and if they win, the check is even larger. I am a Ute fan, but I cheer for the Cougs as well, as long as they aren't playing the Utes. I fear that if they don't do well in indepedence, they will shoot themselves in the foot with any hope to get into a big conference later. I hope they do well for the next couple of years and the Big 12 comes calling. For they Utes, its already in the bag.

  • Cosmo's Cousin Holladay, UT
    July 1, 2011 7:02 p.m.

    BYU is the true winner. The Blue will be on ESPN or BYU-TV every week in HD. The little utes will only be on ESPN when they play............BYU!

    The utes got lucky with the PAC ... The Blue doesn't need a conference because, just like Notre Deame, we have the fan base and the tradition to be independent. We have plenty the utes don't have which is why they could never be independant -- like the National Championship, massive national fan base, and the HD truck.

    Who's the big winner again today? The Blue!

  • nomad1 American Fork, UT
    July 1, 2011 7:12 p.m.

    y grad/y dad congrats on your independence. big brother married a trophy wife and little brother turned 16 and can now date. independence is beautiful thing.

  • IndeMak South Jordan, UT
    July 1, 2011 9:09 p.m.

    At Cosmo's Cousin

    Grow up!

    Congrats Utes!

  • One Nil to the Arsenal! Gilbert, AZ
    July 1, 2011 9:49 p.m.

    Interesting Article by Ted Miller from ESPN. Ranking the best PAC 10 teams of all time. 1984 Washington Huskies ranked #8. Here's what he had to say:

    1984 Washington: Finished 11-1 and ranked No. 2 behind BYU. Lost to USC ,16-7.

    Best player: Defensive tackle Ron Holmes was a consensus All-American.

    Point differential: 352-145

    Best win: Shocked Oklahoma 28-17 in the Orange Bowl. Sooners finished ranked sixth.

    Comment: A controversial season. Before the Orange Bowl, Sooners coach Barry Switzer lobbied hard for the winner to be declared the national champion. As it was, BYU won the national title after beating a bad Michigan team in the Holiday Bowl. Does anyone believe BYU was better than the Huskies? No!

    This is the respect you get outside of Whoville. Besides the Deseret News, very few sports writers respect your National Championship. Enjoy that trophy Y Grad/Y Dad, it might be a looooooooooong time until another one comes your way.

    According to an article in ESPN today, Your BCS chances are worse than with the MWC. I quote, "but it is going to be exceedingly difficult to be a national champion with the current rules in place."

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    July 1, 2011 10:30 p.m.

    I'd agree with CougFaninTX, I think BYU football could be granted as winner status as well. I think both institutions improved their status, within college football ranks that is, with these moves.

    Hopefully that will translate to wins, entertaining games, and fun times for all this season.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 1, 2011 11:22 p.m.

    One Nil to the Arsenal!

    I gotta say, one nil short of something. You go verry quickly from one writer to everybody.

    And your last quote is not a good equivalence either. "but it is going to be exceedingly difficult to be a national champion with the current rules in place," does not equal "BCS chances are worse than with the MWC." U had a perfect, impressive record in 2008, but did not win an NC while in the MWC.

    Nobody has won an NC while in the MWC. I would therefore have to say that ANYTHING is easier than winning an NC while in the MWC, even winning an NC as an independent. I don't know, and I am too lazy to do the research, but was Notre Dame an independent when they won their last NC? You get the point, look it up and get back to me.

    PS - the 84 Huskies didn't deserve the NC for pure cowardice. They had the chance to play for the championship and they chose the money. We didn't get the money; quit trying to take away our trophy. Thanks!

  • FYI Taylorsville, UT
    July 2, 2011 12:02 a.m.

    @Target
    "Why did the DN put the "Red Round-up" link only on the BYU boards."

    I got here from the link on the Utah board.

  • BlueBaron Murray, UT
    July 2, 2011 1:49 a.m.

    Don't forget also...Immediately following BYU's National Championship year in 1984, The Washington Huskies' faithful were chief among those in discounting the validity of the previous year's National champions...BYU vs. Washington (1985) was billed as "Validation of True 1984 Championship" Washington limped out of Provo after a 31-3 shellacking.

  • One Nil to the Arsenal! Gilbert, AZ
    July 2, 2011 6:16 a.m.

    Not my words Y Grad..just letting you know what the national consensus is on your National championship* And please stop comparing BYU to ND. Nobody in the media (or country) believes this outside of Provo.

    *

  • Balan South Jordan, Utah
    July 2, 2011 10:58 a.m.

    Winner?? Financially they definitely will come out smelling like a rose. But their move to the PAC10 has forever changed their relationship with both BYU and USU. Heck, they won't even schedule USU now and the September rivalry game will never be the same.

    Winner?? I guess it all depends on how you view it.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    July 2, 2011 11:30 a.m.

    @ SLC BYU Fan | 2:08 p.m. July 1, 2011

    Here are ***ESPN's*** thoughts;

    "So what about BCS chances for BYU as an independent? Are they better or worse than with the Mountain West? The answer is that they are worse. Because BYU does not have an automatic berth waiting for it should it be the highest of the non-automatic qualifiers. BYU would only be eligible as an at-large team if it wins at least nine games and finishes in the Top 14 in the final BCS standings. The Cougars would be able to play in the national championship game if they finish No. 1-2. For that to happen, BYU would most likely need to go undefeated playing a tougher schedule than it did as a member of the MWC. That is not out of the realm of possibility, but it is going to be exceedingly difficult to be a national champion with the current rules in place"

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    July 2, 2011 12:56 p.m.

    This still has a lot to do with the Original BCS Busters. If Utah gets into a BCS Bowl without a perfect season it will be a big "gotcha" again from Utah. On the other hand, if Utah starts with a losing season, the BCS will say, "Told you so." Thus ending hopes of another conference joining the BCS or busting the BCS for good.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    July 2, 2011 1:53 p.m.

    Winner PAC-10? - Some Oregon and Washington fans are still not happy about getting pushed out of the lucrative (recruiting, not money) Southern California games and giving UTAH and COLORADO yearly access.

  • Cougar_Independence OMAHA, NE
    July 2, 2011 3:26 p.m.

    Utah is definitely the winner. I wanted BYU to have 0 nationally televised home games in 2011, and Utah stole that opportunity this season with the pac10.2

    Well, I guess there is always next year...

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 2, 2011 4:48 p.m.

    @One Nil to the Arsenal "Not my words Y Grad..just letting you know what the national consensus is on your National championship*"

    Haha, unfortunately for U, the national consensus of the time was that BYU was the unanimous National Championship team...something that neither USC nor LSU was able to do in 2003 under our current system in a much more controversial national championship than the '84 one.

    By the way, that's definitely not the "national consensus", as you put it, of the 1984 BYU team. Check out Matt Sarz at College Sports Blog, Stewart Mandel's article in SI, Pro Football Reference Blog and other sources for some more positive reviews on our National Championship team.

    Everyone has their own opinion, but the fact is that BYU has a National Championship trophy sitting in the Legends Athletic Center. And that's good enough for me :)

    Go Cougs!

  • hymn to the silent Holladay, UT
    July 2, 2011 5:54 p.m.

    This is a big win for the Utes...and of course the system is still unfair, but if you got bumped from coach to first class would you "do the right thing" and stay in coach as a form of protest? I think not. The best thing Utah can do to fight the evil empire is do what's in their power, win games. Let the politicians fight the fairness war. And I do think BYU wins by going independent; I just don't think they'll be given as much latitude if they lose games that are a predictor of where they should be ranked.

  • Farid @ Pocatello Pocatello, ID
    July 2, 2011 9:02 p.m.

    As a Cougar fan, I'm very happy for the Utes, both for them and for BYU.

    Based on reports over the years that BYU would never make a move without Utah (into a more prestigious conference), Utah's decision to bolt to the PAC opened the door for the Cougars to go independent. So really, it's a win-win for both of us.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 2, 2011 9:34 p.m.

    @nils

    No matter how you spin it, taking ONE reporter's comments and making it a 'national consensus' is laughable.

    Perhaps if the Utes had strung together a few games in the W column over two seasons consecutively they might have had a chance in 2004 or 2008. Unfortunately that didn't happen and now you know... the rest of the story.

  • philaD Clifton Heights, PA
    July 2, 2011 11:05 p.m.

    AND here's to BYU beating the eventual winner of the pac-12 every year!

    Just messin with you red. Good luck in the PAC-(insert # here).

  • Cougar_Independence OMAHA, NE
    July 4, 2011 2:43 p.m.

    Going off Athlon's pre-season top 25, Utah has exactly 1 game against a top 25 opponent on their 2011 schedule (USC). BYU currently has 2 (TCU and Texas).

    All 3 of those games are on the road, so please tell me how independence isn't working for BYU?

    Also, quick questions ute fans, I want to watch Utah's first football game. What channel is it on? :)

    KJZZ 4 life!

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    July 6, 2011 12:00 a.m.

    "As it was, BYU won the national title after beating a bad Michigan team in the Holiday Bowl. Does anyone believe BYU was better than the Huskies? No!"

    If only BYU and Washington would have played each other the following season. Then we would have known which team was truly better! Of course, had a BYU-Washington game occured, it is obvious that since Washington was clearly the better team, there is no doubt they would have beat BYU by at least 3 touchdowns! Unfortunately, this is all speculation because they didn't play each other. Unless......

    Don't you agree, One Nil? Have anything to add? Want to do the honors of researching this bit of info?