Although I am an advocate for immigration reform I wonder, if Dan Jones &
Associates extended their poll to unemployed Utahns and their families.Anyway, I'm sure the next elections will reflect Uthans' opinions.
Only goes to show how the very Vocal ultra-far-right "minority" of
this State, have nearly completely high-jacked not only the GOP, but in turn the
entire Utah State Legislature.When a small minority have control
over the vast majority - that is no longer a Representative Republic.
I don't believe the numbers, I've yet to find 10 people that support giving
amnesty and jobs to those here illegally, over citizens and potential honest
I find it difficult to believe this poll. I doubt people want to have illegal
aliens pay a fine and then stay here getting free medical care, free education,
and free food stamps taking jobs here while many of our citizens cannot secure
employment. We want the repeal to happen!
If the poll had found opposite results, would the two previous posters also feel
the poll was skewed?
Who did they poll? Illegal aliens? Business owners? I am a legal permanent
resident of Latino heritage and I am in favor of repealing HB 116.
You're entitled to your own opinions, folks, but not your facts. Just because
you're sure you're in the majority doesn't mean that you are. If a poll shows
that 61% of Utahns believe one thing, and neither you nor anyone you know
believes that thing, it doesn't mean the poll is wrong--it simply means that you
don't interact very often with people that disagree with you.
Both the LDS Church and its news outlet, the Deseret News, have been heavily
campaigning lately for HB116. More and more members of the LDS Church feel like
they'd better get in line with this position.The poll results
suggests that the LDS Church's campaign in immigration politics is working.
CHS, Probably not, considering that most people I know agree with
them and bitterly disagree with the results of this "poll".
What a bunch of baloney this is. Ask ten people you know and see if one of them
wants this farce of a bill. Another DN stacked poll trying to further their
amnesty agenda is all this amounts to. The vote on repeal is going to pass and
pass big, watch and see. They said the same thing about every repeal vote at
every county convention and every one of them passed. With thousands of
unemployed in Utah who in their right minds think we need to sit around and make
deals with those who crashed the border and have no right to be here in the
Times are tough and the economy will likely get worse in spite of what the
government is telling us. Jobs now held by "illegal aliens"
(undocumented immigrants) are now being sought by unemployed citizens. The "Goose that lays the golden eggs" is in danger of not being able
to lay anymore golden eggs. Is HB116 the answer or will it only make the problem
worse?Google "Gumballs and Immigration" and "Young
Love in Rexburg" to get a different perspective about this problem.
These polls are never correct. The numbers are to low and whom are they polling?
My friends and neighbors need the jobs that illegal immigrants are taking. They
are tired of th taxes they pay to keep them here. I don't understand your polls
when the public I know wants everify and jobs.
Gotta love it folks. A scientific poll is conducted and our representative says
that the only reason the results turned out that way is because Utahns,
particularly housewives, are dumber than he is. That smacks of a bit of
arrogance I think.
I am a state delegate and i will vote tomorrow to have HB 116 repealed. I dont
believe these polls. They can be so skewed. Who did they call? We dont need
guest workers with free health care and other benefits. Again the fat cats want
cheap labor and for the rest of us to foot the bill. No thanks.
When "straw polls" are included in news stories the uninformed,
opinionated readers think they report reality.But when a scientific
poll is conducted by Dan Jones and Associates, they reject it and claim it's
invalid. Their "personal poll" of asking the opinion of
ten of their friends, somehow causes them to think that it reflects reality! The legislature passed this law in the last session. My question is, why
are the revisiting this issue?The teapartiers and ultra conservative
lawmakers will eventually find themselves replaced when they ultimately fail to
pass their agenda.
Deseret news poll found Utahns favor HB116.KSL poll found Utahns oppose
HB116. 78% oppose . 22% favor Who do I believe?
Now lets get a poll that is not backed by a LDS Media group or is church
sponsored. I think that kind of poll would show a vastly different result.
That settles it then.The state's major institutions and 61% of the citizens
support the guest-worker program. I'm confident the delegates will represent the
will of the people. OR they might continue to believe, as Herrod and Beckham
do, that delegates are more "educated" than the rest of us.
Legislators' hubris in the face of facts is what has this nation stalled. Will
someone represented by Mr. Herrod tell him 2/3 of us are not tired of
references to racist and unChristian acts. We are tired of the other 1/3,
including some who are supposed to be representing us, calling us uneducated.
Fascinating, although it won't matter much in the future anyway, as the state of
Utah does not have the Constitutional authority to grant foreigners permission
to reside in the U.S. without federal approval.
In other news 9 out of 10 employers who employ illegal aliens favor a guest
worker program. The other one fears that wages will go up if it becomes legal to
hire illegal aliens. 10 out of 10 unemployed construction workers oppose the
same guest worker program.What is the difference between making it
LEGAL to hire ILLEGAL aliens and looking the other way if they have a guest
worker permit and amnesty?Do they lose that permit if they lose
Dan Jones polls are notorious for being able to produce the desired results, so
this was a foregone conclusion.HB 116 is unconstitutional, in
addition to just being flat out the wrong answer to immigration problems. It
is nothing less than state sponsored amnesty, rewarding illegal behavior.We really should be checking the employment status of every worker in
the businesses that belong to the Chamber which is pushing this foolishness.
On Sat. the GOP will tell Deseret News, KSL, the Salt Lake Chamber and Mark
Willes what they think of their poll. That is why I vote for the GOP.
When the law is wrong, good people must rise up and change it. That is what
happened in America with the original Tea Party where American Patriots rose up
against the Tea Act of 1773 and Britain in America's War of Independence. That
is what happened when the Republicans abolished and prohibited Slavery in
America with the Reconstruction Amendments to the Constitution. That is what
good people are doing today in Utah with immigration law. We are working for
that better day in America.
Dan Jones is great at using push polls. You can get the results you want in a
poll by its wording.
I agree with the statement that since The LDS church is transparently backing
the illegal immigration amnesty movement the majority of church members are
lining up rank and file. This is another instance of the Church becoming
politically vocal and swaying Church members. I wonder how many of the people
polled share the same religious background. If a majority of them are LDS then
there is a bias in the poll that isn't being acknowledged. A better poll would
have asked the religious background of those being polled since the LDS church
is so vocal about this issue.
Dan Jones is married to Senator Pat Jones (D). What else would you expect from a
poll on illigal immigration from these guys. KLS had a different poll just a
few days ago where the support for the Repeal was overwhelming, that poll has
disappeared now. KSL, DN and SLT are not trust worthy sources of information on
this issue. The Resolution to Repeal HB116 will pass tomorrow by a long shot!
@CJ Just asked the 11 folks I work with at a conservative old school Utah
utility. 7 of 11 favor leaving it in place. 11 of 11 think the delegates will
ignore the church.
@C. Darwin: The ksl poll had a much smaller number of participants, and people
could vote more than once. So it's highly inaccurate.
The Dan Jones poll was not a push poll. Dan Jones is neutral and is a highly
respected organization. I myself was polled, by random selection. The questions
were neutral, asked about more than just HB 116, and did not lead to a
particular conclusion. We can trust the results of this poll. Question is, can
we trust the state delegates to represent ALL their neighbors fairly, not just
the ones who agree with them?
The Lord already has an immigration policy. It is in Alma chapter 27. The
Latinos are here by prophecy. A midst our wealth and prosperous circumstances,
can we not extend the hand of fellowship? We will be blessed for it.
Poll are worthless when you start with end in mind. If you poll the
"right" demographics that support your viewpoint you will always get
the result you want. The Desert News is so one-sided on this issue they
wouldn't even publish the results if they came up different.
I don't buy it for one second. In my mind, when the economy is struggling, the
whole thing comes down to money. Not only is this bill expensive to
administrate, and follow through on, but the money that goes to the resources
like school, health care etc. is too high for people to swallow in hard times.
Every session people are asked to give more to schools, but because taxes are
low, schools are asked to function on less. People are being asked to make
tough decisions. I am not trying to downplay the immigration factor. I just
don't think it has as much to do with immigration as it does money, and that is
why the numbers could never be this high.
Just like they refuse to distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants, these
polls do the same in not distinguishing between Republican and Non-Republican.
The convention tomorrow is about representing the party not the will of every
Utahn. An honest poll would've seperated the results by party ofiliation.
Talk about a racist law, no matter how you look at it. Either we are saying
that Hispanics are needed and suited for low-end jobs, or that we don't need to
help any Asians or Blacks. And that is even without commenting on
the 100,000 unemployed US citizens that we are paying to sit on their behinds.
This shows that Utahns are smart, conscious people and that it is only the
minority the loudest screamers on this case.
Owen,So what?? Only the delegates count and where you work is far from
representative of the population, I guarantee it.
Maintain HB 116! It is one of the great things our legislators have done this
year. Those of you against it, don't worry you will find a job soon. Things
will get better. Don't hate but be great.
I am a little leery of the results on such a low number of calls and wonder were
the calls really random , what time of day were they placed, and what were the
questions asked. Was anybody reading these comments called as part of this poll?
I assume the GOP delegates will still push repeal since they are wiser than the
rest of us and the GOP platform is the "Constitution" in their
minds.I support HB116 and hope the delegates will leave it alone. If
not, it'll be easier to vote for Democrats.
Meawhile in another local newspaper a poll in the Provo Daily Herald shows that
over 60% support a over-turning HB 116....On KSL Doug Wrights web
page....a poll showed that over 80% supported over turning HB 116....So take you pick? You can skew polls to say just about anything you wantCNN and NBC do it everyday.....
It is very telling that this poll was run right after the dnews and others
blitzkrieg of misleading information this past. Polls are a simple
snapshot in time. One way to skew a poll is to flood the media market with your
opinion and then immediately run the poll. This is a simple dishonest
tactic that can create large skews in the polling. If the dnews and other
outlets were in the business of journalistic integrity they would've given equal
time to all sides of the issue. Since they are in the business of supporting
those that support hb116, it should be obvious to everyone, regardless of your
stance, that this did not happen. Again, regardless of your stance, this should
scare each and every one of us that media outlets are being used as propaganda
I doubt the delegates are fooled by yet another bogus pro-immigration
"survey".The bigger question is: why does the DN favor
illegal alien trespassers over ACTUAL Utah citizens?
Forget HB116. Repeal the caucus system.
I too am a state delegate and WILL NOT vote to repeal HB116. It is not perfect
but it manages to find a somewhat rational middle-ground on the issue of
immigration. It is better than anything else proposed yet.I cannot
support the embarrassingly mean-spirited, thoughtless, cruel, heartless and
xenophobic policies promulgated by elected officials like Mr. Wimmer and Mr.
"61 percent of Utahns" -- based on 406 persons! Ha! Are you kidding?
And who were these 406? How "random" were they? Any
profiling of Spanish surnames, perhaps, or profiling of neighborhood
demographics, Dan Jones? Any profiling of businesses? How about
agriculture-types? Were such effectively targeted, Dan Jones? Just asking.I do know this: illegal aliens who lie about their identities and
regularly perjure themselves on employment forms, etc. are not to be trusted to
answer the phone to Dan Jones and tell the truth about their true immigration
status (which of course would disqualify them). Given the large number of
illegal aliens in Utah, there actually is a good chance that a number of the
respondents were in fact themselves illegal aliens. And it is a
demonstrated fact that a great many LEGAL Latinos in this state are in favor of
illegal immigration and are opposed to enforcement of immigration law. And of course we know that certain businesses, and certain types of
businesses, often employ illegals and of course want them to stay.This poll is bogus and shameful.
As a delegate who will attend the convention tomorrow my job is to represent the
REPUBLICAN voters in my district. This poll was conducted asking all voters
what their opinion was. The convention tomorrow is the REPUBLICAN convention.
Why didn't this article report on the results of republicans polled? I will
vote for the resolution to repeal HB116 tomorrow. I will represent other
republicans not the community at large. Please think for yourselves
and don't let polls like this sway your opinions. Do your own research. This
bill was pushed through with little debate. Many of the legislators didn't even
read the bill before passing it. It was presented at the last minute and pushed
through by the establishment and special interests. It's about exploiting cheap
Anyone who has ever taken any type of statistical analysis class or training is
well aware that polls can be skewed very easily, primarily by it's wording.
Change the wording of a poll just slightly and you will often get a completely
different result. The fact that the Deseret News, the sponser of this
particular poll, has proven itself to be highly in favor of HB116, is enough to
make the wording, and thus the results highly suspect. Other similarly published
polls have shown vastly different results.My personal poll won't carry
alot of weight, but I've personally talked with only one person, out of dozens,
who is in favor of HB116. This is another reason I question the validity of this
latest poll. It's doubtful they polled a true cross-section of citizens... or if
they even made sure they were talking to citizens. There are just too many
reasons to question this poll's results, and if it actually represents what the
people of Utah really want.
DaleC: Not sure why you think Alma 27 is the Lord's immigration policy if you
are comparing illegal aliens to the Anti-Nephi-Lehi's. In verse 27, it says the
people of Anti-Nephi-Lehi were "perfectly honest and upright in ALL
things". Illegal aliens are dishonest when they steal social security
numbers and take jobs they are not entitled to, so they are not like them,
sorry. I like the policy however, provide protection to those who need it, but
have them pay for it (verse 24). If America had followed this advice, our
national debt would be alot smaller.
All those in favor may pay for the illegals medical and other welfare that they
use. Those oppose may opt out of the tax increase.
I got polled and it was tremendously skewed so you have to like the hb116. It
amde it sound like you were voting against the country if you were against
hb116. Bad poll that could not be accurate no matter which side you are on.
@terra nova | 10:28 a.m. June 17, 2011So you have no issue with the
fact that the bill enacts institutional racism?You have no issue
with the fact that, if the bill is enacted, it will limit the access of
nationalities and races much more deserving of our compassion via legal
immigration? You have no issue with the fact that the only way a
waiver can be obtained is through Congress, and that Congress has no desire to
grant such a waiver? You have no problem with the bill creating
second class citizens who will legally be able to go after higher paying legal
jobs creating a void for the employers of illegals which will then be filled by
new illegals coming into the state?At the repeal HB116 website in
the FAQ section you will find a much better, much more humane, and much fairer
route to handling illegal immigration in the state of Utah. A route that doesn't
reward the criminal behavior of the illegals or their employers.
so all of you that are against the guest worker program are going to fill out
applications and send them in to the farmers so you can go out there and pick
all them fruits and veggies right ? because if you dont I guess all them farms
can shut down and you can have all the agricultural operations here outsourced
( like everything else is ) and then we can flatten out all them farms and put
in parking lots and make more room for another home improvement store and maybe
a coffee shop and another big box store.
The poll musta been taken in an Hispanic community.
Here is a list of who voted for HB116. Please vote them out in 2012!Anderson, Arent, Bird, Biskupski, Brown, D, Brown, M, Butterfield,
Christensen, Cosgrove, Dee, Dougall, DraxlerEdwards, Fisher, Janice,
Froerer, Hemingway, HendricksonHutchings, Kiser, Litvack, McIff, Menlove,
Moss, Noel,Perry, Peterson, J, Peterson, V, Pitcher, Poulson, Powell,Richardson, Sagers, Sanpei, Seelig, Vickers, Watkins, WebbWheatley,
Wiley, Wright, Lockhart, Adams, Bramble, Christensen, Davis, Hillyard, Jenkins,
Jones, KnudsonMcAdams, Morgan, Niederhauser, Okerlund, Reid, Robles,Stephenson, H., Stevenson, J.,Valentine, Van Tassell, WaddoupsThese people were voted in by the Utah Taxpayers to represent Utah Taxpayers,
but they have chosen instead to exploit an invading underclass of people they
can pay an unfair wage to with the rest of us picking up the education and
medicals costs. Agenda driven polls and news coverage turns my stomach. Of
course everyone is for immigration and immigrants. Place "illegal" in
front of "immigrant" in the Dan Jones poll and the poll results will
be reversed. Repeal HB116 and throw out the politicians who would compromise our
Utah culture and society for monetary gain!
What the poll also shows is that Utah is being overrun with immigrants, illegal
@DaleC: "The Lord already has an immigration policy. It is in Alma chapter
27. The Latinos are here by prophecy."Not so, according to DNA
tests."A midst our wealth and prosperous circumstances, can we
not extend the hand of fellowship?"Not when we have 25 million
unemployed Americans sitting home and sucking up billions in unemployment
benefits from money the government doesn't have... and must borrow from China.
If immigrants want work, let them emigrate to China where the work is. Go to
any big box store such as Wal-Mart and look at where the merchandise is
manufactured. It will knock you out.
I like my poll best. I have been calling the Spanish Fork/Payson area state
delegates and find them about 3 to 1 in favor of the "Repeal HB116
Resolution." Dan Jones polling has often been used to favor those that pay
them. Perhaps you recall the 2008 3rd Congressional District race when Dan Jones
polls were saying that the election was too close to call, but then Rep Chaffetz
won by 20% of republican primary voters. Polling the general
population, Democrats, Independents, Republican, and lazy non-voters, makes this
poll entirely irrelevant.By the way my wife, and I are both state
delegates and plan to vote in favor of the "Repeal HB116 Resolution."
HB116 was passed "Obama/Pelosi/Reid" style by the legislature the last
week of the session. They passed it so that we could see what was in it, knowing
full well that it was unconstitutional.
OF COURSE NEWS MEDIA OUTLET FOR "THE CHURCH' are proponents for illegal
alien amnesty. Of course the phone survey was conducted in the middle of the
afternoon when illegal aline, out of work, medicaid and medicare recipients are
home watching OPRAH.
Ok so here is the problem. I don't oppose this bill in and of itself. The 2500
fine and being able to work is ok by me. It's the FOOD STAMPS, MEDICAL CARE,
and every other dang tax we pay. I do support the Christlike thing and the only
way I can see this going is on a case by case basis. Here's the problem....who
gets to decide who stays and who goes. I think its very dangerous for someone
to have the power/burden of making those decisions. And as long as this is
America I don't see medical care being withheld or food stamps being denied.
The church is going to say of course to love everyone. I don't like this
situation because sometimes it can't be simple. I love all men. But I also
love those of us in the US struggling to find employment and pay taxes. What a
You have to look at the questions. It just asked about the guest worker part of
HB 116. It said nothing else about the other parts of HB 116. Sorry to say, this
poll was asked in a bias way.
Psh. When does the GOP every listen to Utah? *'Herbert
signs records bill HB477 after rally for veto' - By Paul Koepp, Deseret News -
03/08/11 'More than 100 people gathered near the steps leading up to
the House chamber to demand a veto from Gov. Gary Herbert as lawmakers who
passed an amended HB477 Monday delaying its effective date until July 1 looked
down from the corridors above. But an 8 p.m. news release from the
governor's office said he signed the bill along with 18 other measures that have
passed the 2011 Legislature.' They know that Utah will keep voting
Republican... No matter what. They. Do.
@albu1595 12:54 p.m.: "Here's the problem....who gets to decide who stays
and who goes?"Here's the answer... all will get to stay.Further, most will stay in the shadows not wanting to pay the $2,500.And even further, those who come here on work visas will forget to go
home. That's why we have 15 million illegals in this country now.
It's a Dan Jones / KSL commissioned poll...let's just leave it at that.
Note that the poll has a discrepancy of +/-5%. -5% puts approval right back at
56%... which is where it was last time they did a poll.What does
this all mean?In reality the state is split pretty much 50/50 on
whether we should enforce the "law of the land" or find ways to
circumvent it.All this really does is show the power of the Latino
Lobby. Politicians are afraid of losing the Latino vote, so they pass laws that
favor illegal immigrants.Perhaps all the pot smokers should take a
page from this and get their act together. If the Latinos can successfully force
the legislature to go against immigration laws there may be hope for Medical
Marijuana in this state yet.
I'm a State delegate and I don't trust the dynamics of polling to work out very
well on this question. I've talked to many delegates who will vote on the GOP
resolution encouraging repeal who change their minds daily (or even hourly, heh)
on HB116.Just like the county convention resolution votes showed,
there are pockets of support and hate for 116 all over the state and it almost
matters what day you query people even in those pockets.At the very
least people are starting to become aware of the issues, real questions, and
possible solutions and improvements.I'm voting against the repeal
resolution and *for* keeping HB116. I agree with the LDS Church's five
statements on immigration this year. I think the reasons they give for
supporting this years legislation are sound and compelling -- regardless of a
person's religious affiliation. (I happened to have already come to those
conclusions, though, so I didn't face the difficult dissonance and reconsidering
that many of my LDS colleagues now face as they find themselves in opposition to
an official statement of their Church.)I'm glad they made a
Obvious attempt to sway votes last minute. Utah has no legal right
to circumvent immigration and labor laws. You can't take jobs from citizens and
give them to second class workers. We already have visa programs for that.
ksl poll a few days ago was 74% against. Now this new poll says otherwise. I
smell a rat!!!
Pass a law that demands E-verify of all business, and will pull the license of
repeat offenders (constitutional) and require business to use the already
available federal visas. It accomplishes the same thing, it fits the LDS
statement and is constitutional, and it will not require the state of Utah to
create an entirely new department of government, at the expense of Utah's
taxpayers. When Arizona tried to pass the enforcement bill, people
were complaining it was unconstitutional. Now those same people are promoting
this unconstitutional bill? What is wrong here? Are we planning on succeeding
from the Union?
Less than an hour ago on Rod Arquette's radio show (about 5:20pm, today), a
caller called in who said he had been phoned by the Dan Jones company to be
polled for this very poll. Among the QUALIFYING QUESTIONS: Q. (level of education)A. graduate degreeQ. Do you
read the newspaper?A. No, I don't like the paper.Q. Do you
listen to the radio?A. Yes. At that, this respondent was
DISQUALIFIED. And no wonder: talk radio resonates with the values
of more Americans than does today's traditional media. What a
monumental shame, this poll is. Really.
Can anyone show me where illegals are entitled to free medical care or other
gov't benefits. Who is spreading these lies? The truth is they are not. The
only exception I know of is pregant women can get medical care. Rep. Sandstrom
said it all when he mentioned they threaten our culture. That only means one
thing to me, it is about race. Look at where those here illegally are working.
Farm labor, service sector jobs, meat packing plants. The far right is loosing
the battle and they know it. When high leadership in the LDS church challenge
your rhetoric you ought to re-consider your position. It is not about
supporting illegal immigration. It is about understanding how desperate the
situation is in Mexico. If they had the opportunity to be legal they wouldn't
need to steal identities or hide in the shadows. Compassion will always prevail
over hate and ignorance.
Mexico has the 14th best economy in the world, and less unemployment than we
have. They also have food programs for the poor. It's not that difficult to come
here legally, my family members did. The US lets in over a million a year, not
counting work visas. Of course it's possible, but you need to wait in line like
the rest of the world. Families with birthright children qualify for
food stamps, medicaid and financial help for all children. WIC, baby your baby,
day care, etc can all be accessed by those here illegally. Polls
that "qualify" people are not honest. Let's stop telling
the citizens that are being hurt by these actions to be compassionate, and tell
it to those breaking our laws.
I read through part of the bill and saw that the $2,500 fine only applies to
illegal aliens who crossed illegally. Those who entered under a Visa and
overstayed (about half the illegals) only have to pay $1,000. I wonder how many
illegals might submit forged paperwork showing an expired Visa in order to save
money?It would actually cost an employer less to hire an illegal
alien "guest worker" over a legal worker because the illegals aren't
subject to Utah Unemployment Insurance and must provide their own health
insurance saving the employer the cost of UI insurance/Health care. There is also a provision which directs businesses to collect Federal income
tax for these "guest workers" who won't have social security numbers,
but submit it to the State of Utah into a restricted account instead of the
Federal government. I'm not sure how many employers would want to
submit their quarterly or year-end IRS tax reports showing income paid, but not
a full amount of withholding being deposited to the government. This would
probably lead employers to pay them off the books to avoid IRS suspicion.
anti-liar, as manipulative as most polls are, I'm gonna have to say that I think
your "liar-meter" failed you today. People say all sorts of stupid
things to get on talk radio. If what the Arquette caller claimed was even
remotely true then there would be an easy-to-find-and-follow paper trail to
prove it. The callers had to follow a script. I guarantee you that if what the
caller claimed was true, you'd have a major major Utah story that would probably
find national legs. Beck, Hannity, all the major networks -- people love a
story that outrageous -- it confirms all their fears about polling, the media,
etc. I've seen some dishonest and bad polling, but that would take the cake --
please somebody track this down and check, I guess.
I've had a poll terminated by Dan Jones before when I didn't answer correctly.
Maybe it was relevant, maybe not. I would bet they (workers) have to
sign non disclosure, paper trails die there.I do know that the
openness of some towards allowing illegal immigrants to come here is dishonest
and immoral. We are being told to be compassionate towards those already here,
but nothing is being done to stop those still encouraging others to break our
laws. It's a scam to manipulate America's labor market.
CHS 85 Absolutely not...it's quite obvious that the poll isn't getting around
to the right people...the responses to this blog have a better repesentation of
the opinions of people from around the state and in the Metro area. Look at all
the number stars in opposition stars and try and tell yourself otherwise.
When a drug dealer who is a convicted felon and twice deported from this country
can calmly sit in a court room with a perverse sense of entitlement and tell
the court that he shot a female deputy sherriff who leaves behind a family that
still grieves her loss... and he makes no bones that he did it with an illegally
obtained AK 47 assault rifle simply because he felt he was being racially
profiled... then there is obviously something wrong with our current immigration
laws. They failed people...and they failed miserably. If the federal
government can't handle it then the State has to... and they have to do it
responsibly. This current piece of legislation is in no shape or form meeting
the necessary mandate to protect the legal citizens of this state.Everyone in the state knows the story behind all of this as well as the
additional tragic aftermath of the story...with her brother. Utah along with
New Mexico, Texas, Arizona, California, Nevada. and Colorado sit at the apexes,
and crosroads of the most dangerous Drug trafficing routes in the world.
People... we aren't even close to any type of prevention of...or protection
If the guest worker program would actually help the economy then every
neighborhood, city and state would want a guest worker program. The truth is the
cities that are going broke in California have a high number of foreign
nationals. They do not pay into the system as much as they take out. Davis
school district wants to raise taxes for the fourth time in five years. When ask
why the answer is they have 900 new students whose parents most of whom are
foreign nationasl who do not put enough into the system to educate their own
children. It guest worker programs only add money to the pockets of the greedy
Interesting conflict between the KSL and DJones polls. Thank heavens the
delegates took care of business at the Republican convention.I'm
sure it is part of the job description of enforcers to be civil while they
return illegal people to their countries.I'm civil to people I know
of every color and I think most people are.In my opinion, the people
who I see as being the least civil are those advocated for the rights of illegal
people. The fact a person is not willing to abide by laws automatically says
"not civil" to me. It is civil disobedience and then they get citizens
saying people who don't agree with them aren't kind or civil. Where is the
KINDNESS AND CIVILITY IN staying in someone else's country ILLEGALLY?
keep it simple. put people in jail who hire illegals. End the sham. If
you become a felon when you hire an illegal, all the illegals will leave the
USA.PS. 9% unemployment is not related to the 10 million illegals
here, right?What about the needs of those Americans who are already
here?Too impractical for the hiring managers, right?
@"Voice 12:14am" This country is not your property. The hypocritical
sense of entitlement of those lucky enough to be born here -- completely
forgetting that 99% of our ancestors did not face the crazy, racist, unevenly
enforced and often contradictory, relatively new, and continually changing
'immigration regulations' that you seems to value over any other law or moral
aspect of this question.Finally, the delegates at the State GOP
delegation sent a fascinating message -- even with all the money poured into the
debate by Kirkham, Morales, etc. -- even with all the videos produced full of
false claims, pamphlets twisting issues, and the sea of blue t-shirts alleging
that only a repeal of HB116 would be in alignment with the US Constitution --
even with all that -- the toothless repeal resolution was split almost exactly
50/50 and barely passed.
as long as 9.1% or whatever the "official" number are UN-employed,
its crass to hire illegals. Its just mean. And we all know that the 9.1
is lower than the real number. So we have 20 million citizens out of work, and
somehow the people who wrote this bill in question in this thread are trying to
act like those millions out of work dont matter. Amazing.
Poll: Hatch should go. Right wing extremists and tea partiers "Yay! People
agree with me, I told ya so!"Poll: Utahns support HB116 Right
wing extremists and tea partiers "Polls are bogus anyways"It's pretty laughable really. What was also laughable was the literature at
the Republican convention against HB116 calling it "Obama style
legislation" that was "rammed through" and blaming amnesty loving
liberals. This was legislation "rammed through" by YOUR OWN
Republicans and right wingers in the legislature, not the powerless Democrats.
I'm with people who think poll was skewed.... And by the way I also think...Yes!!! This call for civility and love of neighbors is wonderful news!
I can't wait to start feeling the increased love by those who have been
taking advantage of my country for years.Preying on the good will of
people and hiding out in their country is not civil nor an act of loving your
neighbor. I give generously to the LDS church and many other
organizations that help people in need of any race or legal status. I love my
neighbors and always, always act with civility and compassion with people of all
races. Having someone protest against me and my fellow citizens,
take medical care, educational funds, welfare money, etc. hasn't felt like love
nor civility and I'm glad issue has been brought to light. It doesn't feel like
love fom my elected officials to have them supporting easier access to my
country. I can't wait to vote them out!
Asking 400+ constitutionally uneducated people what think of H.B.116, especially
when the questions were skewed toward Bramble's side of the equation, is hardly
anything to hold one's breath about.Instead, on Saturday, over 2,100
Republican delegates from all over the state of Utah participated in the vote
for the Resolution to Repeal H.B.116, and it passed by 833 to 739. We decided
the far-reaching consequences of violating the U.S. Constitution far outweighed
the horribly flawed legislation known as H.B.116.They have to start
over, and they have to do it right, without permanently setting a precedent that
would lead to the crumbling of America. Anyone who knows anything about the law,
The president of Dan Jones & Associates polling company is the DEMOCRAT
senate minority leader of Utah. Should readers be informed?
Candace, a nearly evenly divided result from 1600 State delegates, especially
when most of the propaganda funded by Kirkham, Morales, etc. was skewed towards
Witte's side of the equation is hardly anything to write home about either.I was there in your county section on Saturday. I'd spent months
studying the questions -- just like our legislators had when they voted on these
bills (despite all the allegations to the contrary - in slick videos and
misleading pamphlets directed at us delegates - our legislators spent many
months diving deep into these issues.) I was glad to see the LDS Church join
the growing choir of voices in support of HB116 as an important, helpful, and
reasonable piece of Utah's solutions for decade old problems. I agree with
their statements and the Utah compact.I'm not uneducated. My public
education and private university courses really didn't prepare me very well to
consider Constitutional issues (in my opinion) so I've had to continue on my
own. I've studied more U.S. history, read Federalist papers, letters, journals,
broader history, etc.With that I feel I can honestly disagree that
HB116 is unconstitutional. Rather, it addresses state issues in a better way
Numbers are bogus. No way the majority support this. I haven't listened to one
radio show where the vast majority didn't want this bill repealed. Put it this
way, if I am a state elected representative I am voting to repeal this thing
otherwise I will lose my post come 2012.
Read the post by anti-liar, this poll was designed to get the result desired.
There is no credibility to Dan Jones/DesNews polls. The demographic is
manipulated to get a result to support their agenda. This poll is useless.
If the existing laws were enforced we wouldn't need new laws.
This is a skewed poll and the results are not reliable. Please, remove this
mis-leading article from the online edition. The citizens have shown the DN the
true feelings of legal Utahns..
I got called for the poll and when they didn't like my demographic, they ended
the call. Jones' methodology on this poll was intended to get the result they
wanted. No one I know supports it. This is a sham poll meant to get the
desired result. Shame on the D-News and Jones for foisting this nonsense on us.
Lies, Propaganda, Lies and Propaganda. The voters will let you know in 2012 if
you are right.