Glad to see these "heroes" are getting what they deserve.
And have the criminals on the list been charged?
If these women wanted to be whistle-blowers, there were legal ways to do it.
They chose not to follow the legal procedures. They are getting what they asked
They would make a pair at thier time serve.The Goverment Hired Them they
spiked a list of counter attacks on everyoneFinding the right way to be a
loyal moral Trustful office worker!
@Chris BYes, did you read the story. The two who illegally obtained
information outside the scope of their employment for their own vendetta are
this happens all the time in rural utah, workforce service in the south had a
employee laughing at a job applicant along with another staff thinking no one
else was in waiting room.. after i heard this i left cuz it apart of the good ol
boy system that abounds. Got to keep a handle on the scandle and then it becomes
gossip which they seem to take to higher degree of mocking and they know the
rule or should as they are instructed to follow wisdom..like "do unto
others" being a professional never was about copromize of confidentialty
when you got hired!
I say deport everyone on the list.
Johnson 72 said: I say deport everyone on the list.Even though they
at one point just added names willy nilly that sounded hispanic. How
racist of you, Johnson 72.
I would like to know what if anything Herbert and Shurtliff did to investigate
the real crime. People stealing tax payer money. The wrong people are being
charged in this case.
So they Broke the Law working in a Goverment office.As this just proves a
point-Thier no better then any one else!
CHS,"On" is a relatively simple word, sad you didn't
Since the Supreme Court upheld Arizona's immigration policy these two need to go
free. It's not a crime to uncover lawbreakers.
taking5 said: I would like to know what if anything Herbert and Shurtliff did to
investigate the real crime. People stealing tax payer money. The wrong people
are being charged in this case.That's what the article was about,
the 2 criminals and their sentencing.Using tax payers money to steal and
compile a "fake Illegals list" of hispanic sounding names is a
crime, and they are being punished for it, weakly punished I'll add.The RIGHT people are being charged.. those who committed a crime, not those
who's name sounds criminal to racists.
To Chris B | 10:48 a.m. June 6, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT And have the
criminals on the list been charged? -------------------They were -- the result of the charges against the criminals is what this
article is all about.
Let's not lose sight of the fact that there have been cases in the news where
benefits have been given to those who are not eligible.And as a result,
others have LOST benefits when their identification was used by someone else.The pro-amnesty folks among us have nothing to gloat about here. By punishing
these two women they are emboldening others to commit crimes.Our
authorities would do well to dedicate their efforts to using systems available
(like SAVE) rather than chide these two women. There is no evidence that they
had any motive other than exposing the problem to authorities.
@Chris BGo study Civics 101 about illegally obtained evidence.
Illegally obtained evidence cannot be used against another person. It is a
technicality, I know, but it is a provision to protect eveyone. I
understood your question perfectly. Do you understand the 4th Amendment?
It was illegal and unethical for these two women to release this list.It
is also wrong and unethical for the government to aid and abet illegal aliens in
their illegal activity. Almost all illegal aliens are guilty of identity fraud.
I have been the victim of this crime (although probably not committed by an
illegal alien).There are two groups who want illegal aliens here:1. Businesses who want cheep labor.2. Liberal politicians who what them
to vote.The first group is right of center (in theory). The second
is not. Both parties are to blame for this mess and they refuse to fix it.Ordinary Americans bear the brunt of this invasion. Illegal aliens are
also victimized by this mutually agreed upon blindness.We must end
the abuse without committing even greater abuse.Yes, illegal aliens must
leave.Yes, we must take away the bait that attracts them.There
are many illegal aliens brought to this country under the age of three. If these
people are now in their teens or young adults, this is the only country they
have ever known. It would not be just to deport everyone in a
@Happy Valley Heretic "Even though they at one point just added
names willy nilly that sounded hispanic."False. The state
already has acknowledged that the persons named on the list were in fact illegal
aliens.Important questions being asked by honest Utahns remain
unanswered: - Why hasn't Shurtleff vigorously prosecuted these
persons who were named on the list for their various crimes? - Why
did the government refuse to investigate and prosecute those on the list in the
first place? These women HAD duly notified government authorities, LONG BEFORE
releasing the list. But our corrupt government REFUSED to do so.
It REFUSED to follow the law.This refusal constitutes TYRANNY,
folks. Thomas Jefferson and others have pointed out that it is our
duty to RESIST TYRANNY. These two women did just that. This makes
them true patriots and genuine American heroes.
How can one get in trouble by revealing the location and information on
32 out of the 34 social security numbers reported were fraudulent. It's time we
cleaned house at the Department of workforce services. When the
government doesn't do their job and do things honestly, it forces people to take
extreme measures. These ladies are victims of the dishonesty of the illegal
immigration racket being run in this state, and supported by some of our elected
officials. For future reference, a child brought here has 180 days
after their 18th birthday to return home and come back legally. Otherwise they
are here illegally just like their parents.
@DektolBy illegally hacking a computer to obtain the information.That's pretty clear isn't it?
you all seem to want to avoid a very simple fact anout how our system of law
works you cannot break the law in an effort to enforce the law.
These two ladies broke the law, and they are paying for it, as ruled by a judge,
according to law.Now it's far past time to legally use information,
contained at Workforce Services, to go after illegal immigrants and zip them out
of the United States. Pronto.It wouldn't hurt to kick Gov Herbert
and Atty General Shurtliff out of office.What do you think?
I think everyone is forgetting that they sent the list to the Federal government
several months before. And nothing was done about it. I think we
are being warned not to report laws being broken by illegal immigrants.
I always hoped that this case could go before a jury. I always doubted that the
prosecutors could have found 12 people in Utah who would convict the two
women.I suspect that the state is jumping for joy that they could
get a conviction at all!
@RichardBThe problem is that the employees were working outside the
scope of their employment. Their job was not to verify citizenship of the
people they were supposedly helping. It'd be like an DMV person looking up your
income tax information and then sending it to the press because they are
suspicious of your claimed deductions. You may have illegal deductions, but it
isn't the place of the DMV employee to go snooping for it. I have
access to private confidntial information of the employees of my agency, but it
is not my place to play police officer and go rooting through their files
looking for illegal activity. That's illegal, unetical, and just plain sleazy.
The end Always justifies the means for scofflaws and those who would support any
kind of profiling that doesn't point at them. It's sad how many who would
proclaim to be on the right, would back this kind of criminal activity.If the police were to go door to door on random searches of peoples homes with
no preliminary evidence, I'm sure they'd find lots of illegal behaviors, tax
cheats and possession of all sorts of things which one shouldn't have by the
definition of the law, but we don't live in a country like that, unless we let
those like Fitness and Chris turn it into a police state.
Oh yeah, this makes a lot of sense, these two women get fines and probation and
the criminal illegal aliens get "entitlements". I heard one Hispanic
"leader" say that he was "disappointed" because the
penalties didn't fit the "crimes" (exposing criminal invaders) how
about the crimes that illegal aliens are committing every day?
@ RichardB: "32 out of the 34 social security numbers reported were
fraudulent."I've seen that stated before, but can not find that
information anywhere other than these comments. Could you please let me know
where you are getting that information?@ anti-liar: "The state
already has acknowledged that the persons named on the list were in fact illegal
aliens."Same question to you: where are you getting that
information from, because I cannot find any proof of that statement.(This article even refers to the 1300 individuals named on the list as
"supposed" illegal immigrants.)Any additional information
you can provide will be appreciated.
These women were willing to break rules to expose alleged border crossers;
possible rule breakers of a different color. How ironic that they
should be charged with a misdemeanor crime. Illegal immigration is a class B
misdemeanor people. A class B misdemeanor! Some of you praise the
"courage" of these law breakers while screetching for the deportation
of living, breathing humans and ban them from their children; all because of a
class B misdemeanor?! Talk about hypocrisy at its basest form.I
thought Utah was supposed to be the bastion of civility, good will and virtue. I
read some of these ridiculous posts and I sometimes wonder.
1. As for "community service", they already performed it. 2. The
guilty plea was a mistake. No jury would convict them.
They violated ethics and tampered with confidential state information, they
published said information with the purpose of harming the people on the
list...The said acts are felonies under state law. They got probation? What part
of real criminals don't you understand? Looks like the "good old boy
network" at work!
Maudine, the 32 out of 34 number was stated in a press conference by Attorney
General Shurtlefff and carried by the local media. He was unsure at the time if
he would press charges. I don't think he ever did.
Actually, CHS, you don't know what the scope of their employment was. You are
guessing. Their job was to enter data and verify information on recipients.
The problem is that they looked at others besides their cases. They had
reported fraud in the past to their superiors and been told it wasn't any of
their business. I'm sorry but anyone who is aware of fraud in government
payments should be REQUIRED to report it. Their mistake mostly was in sending
the list out and it was a bad move on their part. They should not have done it
but acted out of frustration. They received a punishment that was fitting the
crime. It is not a felony. They did not tamper with the information. They did
not falsify it. Now Shurtleff should investigate within DWS to have them pull
fraudulent records instead of hide them but I'm sure he won't. You don't think
what the illegals have done is bad unless they are using your SS number.
Jonathan calls the posts ridiculous. I say they are honest.
These two women DID break the law. They DID expose many others who WERE and ARE
still breaking the law. It's hard to get too upset about what they did when many
of those who were exposed have not been charged, and probably will never be
charged. There are injustices here, it's just hard to blame them and not the
ones who began this by entering this country illegally.
Bad laws made by our own politicians causes this kind of thing to happen. How
many in Utah knew about how are taxes were being spent before these two women as
everyone is saying did the wrong thing. I appreciate the fact that my eyes have
been opened. I am sad that these women are being treated like dirt.
Who would ever have guessed that a person's utility bills were confidential?
Isn't is just unfathomable that those who support illegal immigration demand
that the informants go to jail? Isn't that like the pot calling the kettle
black? Was the information factual? Why shouldn't illegals be a little nervous
if their deeds are uncovered? They don't seem to have any problem using stolen
identities, fake green cards, manufactured drivers licenses, etc. But whatever,
we better not reveal who they are or else we've commited some serious acts
against humanity. After all, stealing identities is OK if its to feed your
family; never mind the victim whose life you have messed with. They are just a
regular working citizen or the child or one, who pays taxes and higher health
insurance rates so the illegals can get free medical care and then slip back
into the shadows. Complain some more, activists, about how tough
your buddies have it here in America! Why do they want to come to such a bad
place to begin with?
What did the jackbooted thugs of Germany that did their "duty" by
turning in "criminals" and many posters in this forum have in
common?They both think it's normal to assume that someone (brown or
otherwise) is a criminal and worthy of expulsion without a trial.
What they did was illegal, but it wasn't wrong. Sorry, that's what I think.
The sentence was appropriate.
This is not just anger about people who are breaking the law. This is about
people who are different. Different languages, different customs, different
appearances.These two were angry about law-breakers and then justified breaking
the law themselves.This was a blind headhunt. Many on list were legal, just
Hispanic. Today is a great blow against intolerance and hatred.
The group of people who should be sought out are the politicians that allow this
to happen. Like Mark shurtliff. A few years ago he came up to a big scouting
event and gave a wonderful speech about camelot and how we all need to obey the
law and what happens when we dont. Well, i quess he forgot what he said. But
he does not forget how to speak a few spanish words when talking to the
So Tony gets in Bassett's face and repeatedly calls her a criminal.What is really criminal is that this state agency is still giving the freebees
to the illegals even though now they know who they are.We can't
argue with the AG having to prosecute these former state employees because we
try to live by the 'rule of law' but why doesn't the rule of law apply also
against people who have broken immigration laws, committed identity theft, and
worked fraudulently in this country?It appears a little 'out of
balance' to me and I am sure that is what Bassett and Carson saw and tried in
many ways to correct.
The judge should be sent to jail, and the ladies given awards. They were the
ones that exposed State protection of illegals. The people on the list were
breaking Fed. government law, not these ladys. The judge is a piece of very very
bad work in what he did.
I disagree with the prosecution of these two employees, even though they
technically broke the law. I will accept that, and their punishment as being
appropriate, but only if the state uses the excellent methodology these ladies
came up with to track down illegals.Unless Utah's Attorney General
promptly takes actions to investigate and prosecute illegals here in Utah, he
should resign!Mr. Yapias' harassment of the woman is just as
inappropriate as if she were to harass him for knowingly protecting illegals.The reporter's use of the inaccurate and prejudicial term
"undocumented worker" instead of the true term "illegal
alien" seriously undermines the reporting on this case.The
judge in this case, Robert Hilder is the one who had at least one major case
overturned, and was refused confirmation on the Utah Supreme Court- casting
great doubts on the fairness and accuracy of his decisions in this case as
well.It is revealing that the three major leaders of the Hispanic
community were all there to condemn the actions of these fired state workers,
but do not speak out about the need for people to obey all the other laws, like
our immigration laws.
Now the state is on trial. Will the problem be corrected? Will those getting
help illegally be prosecuted?Do you want us to report crimes?
Burbank refuses to enforce laws so the illegal community talks to him. It seems
the state of Utah doesn't want it's citizens reporting crimes. These
ladies did everything right according to the whistle blower act. They turned it
in to ICE first. Then local enforcement and media. They never made the list
public. So, do you want the backing of the legal citizens, and do
you want us to report crimes or not? If Tony kept yelling
"criminal" at her, I have lost any respect I may of had left for him.
These two ladies are true American heroes! Hopefully the 1300 illegal aliens on
the list have been or are in the process of being deported! Illegal isn't a
race. It's a crime and illegal aliens are comitting a crime just by being here!
The real issue in this case was that the State of Utah is providing benefits to
undocumented people with no attempt to determine if they can legally receive
those benefits. These ladies have done a public service in exposing what the
State of Utah is really doing: providing tax-payer benefits to illegals.
Leniency toward these ladies should be extended. In light of recent Supreme
Court rulings, employers will be punished for providing jobs for illegals. The
State of Utah should not be allowed to be complicit in breaking the law either.
Were all the people on the list illegal?? I really want to know the
answer to this question.
The list came from our states own database. And the names were not all Hispanic,
although the majority were if I remember correctly. They were a list of people
claiming benefits in the name of a birthright child, but the state never checked
them out for authenticity. Can we believe anything coming out of the
Attorney Generals office regarding illegal immigrants anymore? It's
very alarming that these women went to law enforcement with what they perceived
as a misjustice, and were arrested.
There see ladies? Amnesty isn't so bad after all is it?
Still waiting to hear how many, if any, on the list were in fact illegal and if
they were/are receiving free government handouts. If there was just one, our
government officials need to be brought to justice for allowing it to happen.
Immigration is only a problem during the election years and politicians, Dem's
and Repub's, only talk about it to polarize the voting base. Immigration reminds
people which party to vote for. Immigration is not a priority for our elected
officials.The sad fact is a lot of our country's industry is
dependent on cheap labor. Although illegal aliens or undocumented workers apply
for benefits, they are the only ones, apparently, who will do the work at a
price employers are willing to pay in certain jobs.Contrary to
popular belief you just don't have to fill out an application and 48 hours later
you can come legally into the USA. For the people Americans complain about, the
process is filling out an application and getting on a 10 to 12 year waiting
list. You'd be surprised what you would do to feed your family today, rather
than wait 10 years.As for these ladies, what they did was wrong and
illegal. Maybe a lot of the people on the list were not here legally either, but
there is a procedure to follow and these ladies didn't follow it.
Now I have both State workers and illegals messing with my private information.
And my tax dollars are paying for both illegal activities. That's weird.
I saw Tony Yapias on the news last night. He was taunting one of the ladies as
she left the court room. I don't think he did anything to help his cause by his
behavior. I think he lost a lot of sympathy from many people.
The amount of ignorance of the law, ignorance of the crime committed by these
two people, and general prejudice represented in these comments sickens me.
I don't think its right to terrorize families in immigration situations. I've
seen families ripped apart through the deportation process. I've even had
friends deported that didn't know Spanish, and had no friends or close relatives
in their "home countries." What most people don't know is that being
deported back to Latin America is often a death sentence for some of these
people. They are often targets for kidnapping or murder, because people believe
they have a lot of money since they are from the US. I'm not saying
that illegal immigration is a good idea...I would never do it myself, and I have
always discouraged my Latin American friends from doing it. If the energy used
able bodied and capable Latin Americans to get to the USA were focused instead
on improving Latin American countries, I believe we would see a real change in
those countries. However, I think its important for all Americans (and
especially all who claim to be Christians), to understand some of the possible
ramifications of "sending 'em all home." I favor humanity over
regulation in this regard.
If most of the SS numbers are fraudulent, that is another crime, so what is the
State doing to those people who received our tax money under false pretenses?
State employees are paid to check personal records to be sure everything is in
order. This is probably the tip of the iceberg as far as our tax
money going to people who aren't citizens. As Utahns we should know how our
hard earned money is being spent. Also I get tired of hearing
families are being separated when parents are deported. I don't understand why
kids can't go with the parents wherever they go. Kids don't have to stay here
alone. The parents knew the risks when they came here illegally. And the
argument this is the only country the kids know doesn't hold water. Our family
was uprooted when they were young & older as we had to go to Germany &
Spain and other US states because of employment transfers. It sounds
like the women who made the lists tried to tell the appropriate people before
publishing it - what would we do without whistle blowers in Gov.?
@Furry1993: "If these women wanted to be whistle-blowers, there were legal
ways to do it. They chose not to follow the legal procedures. They are getting
what they asked for."A just how would that be, Furry? They
turned the names over to law enforcement. What more could they have done?
@CHS 85: "@Chris B - Yes, did you read the story. The two who illegally
obtained information outside the scope of their employment for their own
vendetta are being charged."Did you read Chris B's post?
He/she asked: 'If the criminals on the list have been charged.' In plain
English, have the illegal immigrants in this country sucking up welfare benefits
been charged? The answer is: No!If fact, these two women should be
given their jobs back with a promotion and a vote of thanks. They did the right
thing by turning in the illegals on the list. It is a federal felony to aid,
abet, and harbor illegal immigrants (8 USC 1324). Their awareness of the
illegality of the people on the list required them to act. And they did. If
they had not turned the people on the list in, they and their employer
(Department of Workforce Services) could have been brought up on federal felony
Tony is lucky one of those women were not a relation or friend of mine he would
have been laying on the ground dreaming of his homeland.
@Dektol: "How can one get in trouble by revealing the location and
information on criminals?"It's easy. It's called inept,
corrupt law enforcement.These women had a duty to turn the 'list'
people in under federal aiding, abetting, and harboring laws (8 USC 1324).
Sure, it's against state law to disclose private information on a public record.
But that's a state law. Federal law supersedes state law. These women should
get their jobs back and a 'thank you' for their diligence. The folks that
should be indited are the management of Utah Workforce Services and other state
officials such as the State Attorney General for harboring the names of illegal
From the sound of this board, the public has spoken:
Illegal's: GO Law Enforcement:
While I do not condone the illegal behavior of the two women charged in this
case I can't help but notice the wonderful demonstration of civility and
humanity displayed by Mr. Yapias and other Hispanic leaders. He kindly and
thoughtfully harrased and badgered one of the women involved as she walked down
the hallway screaming at her that that she was a felon and criminal. Is that
really Christ-like behavior?. Doesn't he know that at heart this woman is a
good person with a family to take care of? The complete and total hypocrisy of
Mr. Yapias is sickening and shameful. He who continually defends thousands of
criminals and felons on a daily basis has the unmitigated gall to harass this
woman because she is a felon. It's disgraceful.
Robroy - Mr. Yapias and other Hispanic leaders are only trying to protect people
of their ethnic race... which makes him a racist, doesn't it?
You cannot break the law... in an effort to enforce the law. This type of 'vigilante justice' is what is WRONG with America. The
same logic supported: Lynching Cross burning and water
Mr. Yapias vividly illustrated the hypocrisy of the illegal aliens. How many others get irritated when they go into a store and think they are in
a foreign country? STOP printing instructions in any language but English.Why can't illegal immigrants learn English as my grandmother did when
she legally immigrated from Denmark?