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  • BlueSaint South Jordan, UT
    June 3, 2011 7:16 p.m.

    The premiere program in the state just keeps it going. Independence was definitely the right move! ESPN coverage proves it! Games televised all over the world! Elite athletes signing on! Playing the top programs from all over the nation. BYU could, if everything falls into place, become a Global team! A Global brand! We will see Y flags raised Worldwide!

    With BYU's reputation for some of the most exciting games ever in college football history, ESPN was hooked from the get go. If exposure is what they were looking for by going Indie, then look out.... The ride is about to begin!

  • AK Cougar Palmer, AK
    June 3, 2011 8:35 p.m.

    What do they feed this kid? 6' 5" and 277 lbs and going into his Junior year. Welcome young man.

    Go Cougars

  • Laser Iowa City, IA
    June 3, 2011 8:57 p.m.

    What a huge kid! Welcome to Cougar Country! You're going to love playing all over the nation and being on ESPN all the time.

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    June 3, 2011 9:18 p.m.

    The battle of the gridiron is won in the trenches, and so it is good to see that the foundation for the program is continuing to be built. I hope we can still continue to get more decent athletes in the front 7 of the defense.

    Jordan Simmons is the top prospect for BYU. Getting him would be huge! (Especially since he's huge) Also an offensive line prospect and one of the top guards in the nation. BYU will be hard pressed to get him since almost every major school in the country has offered him. We'll see though, getting him would be a big deal.

    Another huge prospect for BYU would be getting Byron Marshall. The schools on his list are all beatable and he would be an awesome fit for BYU.

    Go Cougars!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 3, 2011 9:20 p.m.

    Looks like we picked up Bobby Wolford (LB out of a high school in Florida) as well. Good day for the Cougs. Let's keep 'em coming!

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    June 3, 2011 10:49 p.m.

    Always good to land more help in the trenches, BYU has always done very well in recruiting OL. Sounds like they got two more good ones here.

  • Super Trooper SLC, UT
    June 3, 2011 10:50 p.m.

    To Blue Saint:

    "Premier program in the state...."

    7-6 in 2010 with losses to Utah State and Utah.

    That was funny!!!!

  • Dave S Holladay, UT
    June 3, 2011 11:03 p.m.

    Well said Super Trooper!! I needed a good laugh before turning in for the night.

  • bballjunkie Cedar Hills, UT
    June 3, 2011 11:48 p.m.

    Well I tried to tell all Ute fans and others that Brandon Fanaika would be getting an offer and he did! I really hope that he will take a hard look at the Y, it would be huge for the program to get this kid.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 4, 2011 12:55 a.m.

    @SuperTrooper
    "To Blue Saint:
    "Premier program in the state...."
    7-6 in 2010 with losses to Utah State and Utah.
    That was funny!!!!"

    And yet here you are, posting on an article about a stud OL committing to BYU, and not Utah or USU. Curious...could it be that even after a down year, the premier program in the state can still outrecruit both Utah and USU? Just a thought... :) Go Cougars!

  • Timp South Jordan, UT
    June 4, 2011 5:39 a.m.

    little hyperbole also on some of the comments of the recruits.. Not sure if can use the term "elite" since none of them had any major offers besides one kid having a Utah offer. But, in recruiting, hype doesn't always mean success, so good luck to these kids.. I just wouldn't be using it as a point in the BYU vs. Utah debates.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    June 4, 2011 6:41 a.m.

    @ Super Trooper and Dave S

    Sure glad Blue Saint gave you something to laugh about. 2010 was a down year for the Cougs, but let's see what happens after this year. Ummm, I wonder if you'll both still be laughing after this season is over, you reckon? Methinks both Utah and Utah State will not repeat their feat of last year against the Cougars. Again, glad you're having a good laugh now because after this year, methinks you'll be crying the blues. We'll see.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 4, 2011 6:59 a.m.

    @dave s

    "I needed a good laugh before turning in for the night."

    I have no doubt you needed that. Heaven knows all of the news the last couple of weeks has been like a kick in the crotch to utah fans. I'm glad you finally got something to help you smile.

  • YtxPat Sugar Land, TX
    June 4, 2011 7:14 a.m.

    One year does not make the best or the worst in the State. Three decades does.
    BYU is the Premier program in the State.

    These recruits are great with good attitudes.

    GO Cougs!

  • BlueSaint South Jordan, UT
    June 4, 2011 7:30 a.m.

    BYU fields one of their youngest teams ever, and Utah State finally gets a win after what...17 years? I don't know if that's correct, but I know I was in diapers they last had a win against BYU. Utah squeaks by with a one point win with supposedly one of their best teams ever. Can you say overrated? Yea, I would say BYU is the Premiere program in the state. This year will be the year of the Cougars, as if Jimmer hasn't already proven that. No! I am the one laughing.

  • Cougar_Independence OMAHA, NE
    June 4, 2011 7:43 a.m.

    @Super Truper

    2010: TCU @ Utah, Utah @ Notre Dame, and Vegas Bowl Blowout

    I sure don't think the utes have any room to brag about their last football game of 2010.

    Also, UNLV 2007. 27-0 shutout by UNLV.

    Funny how easily Utah fans remember the BCS games over the last 6 years, but fail to bring up Utah's dismal performances during the non-bcs game years.

    BYU will beat Utah in 2011. I'm calling it right now.

    BTW, every BYU game in September will be on Either ESPN or ESPN2. Utah wishes they had that luxury.

    Go Cougars!

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    June 4, 2011 8:19 a.m.

    Super Trooper
    Admittedly USU was the older more experienced and better team beginning early in the season last year at the time and deservedly won that game but come on...BYU's coaching staff... specifically Robert Anae... gave the Utah game away early in the 3rd quarter by gambling away the opportunity of the easy chip shot field goal on the 4th and inches. BYU had the game in the bag early. Even the blocked punt would have had no impact on the outcome of the game if the coaching staff hadn't gave the game away on that single play. The better team lost...that's the simple truth . We take our lumps as we get them...so congratulations on your freebee from the BYU coaching staff. It's totally going to be a completely different game coming up this fall. Wynn's going to be anemically gun shy and running for his life in his own backfield... I can pretty well guarantee it. If he does settle down it's going to be several games later...

  • Braxton ogden, ut
    June 4, 2011 8:31 a.m.

    If Kearsley's comments in this article are true, then Mark Weber and BYU could find themselves in hot water with the NCAA. According the the NCAA recruiting rules, the very first time a college coach can CALL a prospect is one call between April 15th and May 31st of the prospects Junior year. If Kearsley has been and is receiving phone calls as a sophomore that is clearly a violation.

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    June 4, 2011 8:40 a.m.

    I am wondering how long it will take for the u posters, who are now in the conference of chumps, to log on to the pac 10.1.1 and start posting their "we're better than you" comments?

    Is it because they can't break away from their big brother? Once in the shadow, always in the shadow.

    I think I will have to hop on over to a few of the "big boys" sites this year and see how some of the more famous ute posters are fairing. The word on the street is that they are afraid to post for at least a couple of years. By then they will have their first win and then the talk will start of their National Championship run the next year.

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    June 4, 2011 9:06 a.m.

    Prediction:

    BYU 7-6 with huge losses at Ole Miss, Texas, Oregon State! TCU, Will also lose to Central Florida and Utah.
    Utah will go 8-4 and will end up in the Holiday Bowl.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 4, 2011 9:13 a.m.

    BYU gets commits from 3 Mormons and 1 non-Mormon whose best other offer was from Navy.

    Big whoop....

  • Dave S Holladay, UT
    June 4, 2011 9:28 a.m.

    Sounds like only one of the four signee's had offers from other schools. Congrats I guess!!

  • Y4LYFE Lubbock, TX
    June 4, 2011 9:29 a.m.

    @kamute

    I don't think TCU plays UCF or utah this year. I'm going to assume you just have grammatical errors, although it wouldn't surprise me if you didn't know utah's schedule.

  • Y4LYFE Lubbock, TX
    June 4, 2011 9:31 a.m.

    @ Howard S

    Also offers from utah and Air Force, but you're right. Big whoop.

    THS 2003

  • flintrock Rigby, Id
    June 4, 2011 9:37 a.m.

    With all the talent I can hardly wait to go to a home game and play Idaho, Idaho State, San Jose State, New Mexico State, Utah State and Hawaii. Being an independent has so many perks and awesome moments. I feel chills being able to play such top notch talent. This more than makes up for the 30 million a year Utah will be getting. They are soooo over. Go Blue, we are Winners and they are Sinners.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    June 4, 2011 9:45 a.m.

    Why are so many sour grape trolls posting on BYU articles all the time?

    Jealous?

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 4, 2011 9:53 a.m.

    @Y4LYFE

    Hoyt was a California Mormon who was committed to BYU from the cradle.

    He is the type of recruit that constitutes the core of BYU's limited recruiting base.

    Utah and Air Force understand BYU is going to win the majority of those battles.

    I maintain... Big Whoop...

  • Super Trooper SLC, UT
    June 4, 2011 10:01 a.m.

    NOW I'm getting another good laugh!!! Cougar fans are more predictable than Robert Anae's offense!!!

    A couple of thoughts:

    1. recruiting wins games about as well as catchy slogans (see: Ben Olsen, 'Band of Brothers', 'fully invested', and 'Quest for Perfection.')

    2. WHY do byu fans put ALL their 'argument' on wins & losses? Is it because that is all their narrow perception can see? I know it was a long time since Utah State beat them, HOWEVER, if a team that BAD can beat you as THEY are re-building.....that doesn't meet my definition of "premier'.

    3. Speaking of 7-6 and the fact they have NEVER been to a BCS bowl (here go the 1984 references when I was in diapers!) it was still 7-6. You beat a poor UTEP team to go over .500. What was the name of that bowl again?

    4. To sum it all up (catchy slogans, no BCS bowls, 7-6) Please see James 2:17.

  • Laser Iowa City, IA
    June 4, 2011 10:03 a.m.

    Great job recruiting. More just keep adding on!!!! BYU is the most attractive school by far in the state, just look at the recruits coming in, lds and non-lds. Ute fans take your cheap shots, but the athletes are voting with their commitments.

  • Bottom Line Draper, UT
    June 4, 2011 10:09 a.m.

    I just have to give props to the kid going to BYU that cites the business school as a positive. It is good to see a student athlete still exists.

  • Tommy2Shoes Lehi, UT
    June 4, 2011 10:27 a.m.

    I'm a graduate of BYU School of Accounting and I can attest to the value of the education I received. Kids that are being recruited by Harvard can probably do very well at BYU then go on to get a graduate degree from Harvard. These commits are picking BYU because of the right reasons. Welcome aboard.

  • BaneOfHedgehog Bothell, WA
    June 4, 2011 10:32 a.m.

    RE: " I just wouldn't be using it as a point in the BYU vs. Utah debates."

    There IS no debate. South beats North.

  • Black Shirts South Jordan, UT
    June 4, 2011 10:40 a.m.

    The funny thing is 3 of the 4 were recruited by Utah. The problem is these kids have way too much character to go to Utah. These are not the type of kids that will fight before a game (BSU) and quit during the game (bsu). I'll keep saying it, BYU 10-2 and Utah 5-7. BYU will beat the Utey's byu 20 Sept 17TH.

  • BYU 26 Utah 23 Anaheim, CA
    June 4, 2011 10:41 a.m.

    KamUte

    Prediction:

    USC will give the Utes a rude introduction to PAC 12 football, Heaps will torch Utah, and Utah will start the season 1-2.

    It'll be all down hill from there. Utah will be lucky to qualify for a bowl.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 4, 2011 10:47 a.m.

    @BaneOfHedgehog

    "...South beats North."
    ********

    Right... 17 to 16... oh, wait...

    I guess that would be North beats South.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 4, 2011 11:23 a.m.

    Super Trooper

    Elite programs are defined by national championships, Top 25 finishes, and national individual award winners.

    Utah's two BCS wins were great accomplishments, but they pale in comparison to winning a National Championship or having a Heisman Trophy winner, the epitome of major college football for EVERYBODY except jealous Utah fans.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    June 4, 2011 11:35 a.m.

    Awesome. I just keep saying how we keep getting everyone we want. We are humbler and awesome.

  • sports-junkie West Jordan, UT
    June 4, 2011 11:37 a.m.

    As a BYU fan this is all great news. These guys look like studs and Im glad they are now on our side. But to gloat and say the Cougs are winning the recruiting battle is a bit childish. Im sure playing a wide open schedule on ESPN helps, but...

    I'm sure the Utes will be having a Junior day and will be getting some nice talent to commit up there as well.

    As for the game this year...

    BYU should take care of business in Provo considering that BYU didnt lose a lot of talent from last year. BYU will be adding some major talent on D, more experience on O. Jake Heaps is going to be really good. And a coaching staff that will have them better prepared for the Utes this year.

    Utes lost a lot of talent from last year and Jordan Wynn is a little sketchy. Not to mention the fact the Utes will be breaking in a brand new stable of RB's. I think they should be good but not by the 3rd game of the season.

    BYU wins 38-17.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 4, 2011 11:38 a.m.

    Howard S.

    An experienced once Top 10 Utah team, BARELY, escaping a very young 7-6 BYU team AT HOME, 17-16, in a game the Utes were lucky to win, should have every Utah fan dreading what Heaps and company have in store for the Utes on September 17th.

  • -PSUYB- Scranton, Pennsylvania
    June 4, 2011 12:07 p.m.

    Continued,

    BYU @ Ole Miss- Win-- Although this game is in the deep south, Ole Miss has little momentum and returns 12 starters to a team that went 4-8 in 2010. Only 3 return on defense, this will be key and I see BYU taking advantage of it. If BYU can shut down the OleMiss running game, this game is almost a sure win.

    BYU @ Texas-?-- This is a tough game to predict, although Texas did go 5-7 last season, they have consistent top 3 recruiting classes nearly every year. Returning 13 starters, many at skilled positions, but Texas is going from a Spread to a pro-style offense with a new OC. QB play is a huge issue. This game could really go either way. In Austin edge to Texas. A BYU win would be an upset.

  • -PSUYB- Scranton, Pennsylvania
    June 4, 2011 12:18 p.m.

    Continued,

    BYU vs. Utah-Win-- 11 starters returning from a Utah team that snuck past BYU by 1 point @ RES. the game is in Provo. Utah has a new offense Wynn has yet to take a snap in. No returning RB's. This game is usually played late in the season when both teams are battlehardened, but in 2011 it happens week 3. Experience will play a huge factor. BYU has the upper hand in this game. Anyone that argues is delusional. But as always should be an exciting game, with BYU coming out on top.

    BYU vs. UCF-Win-- UCF returns 10 starters to one of its best teams in its history. But only returns 3 starters on defense, again, I think the BYU offense will be too much for an unexperienced C-USA defense. The game is in Provo, BYU will have momentum coming off a win over Utah. BYU must shut down the run-game, and another near sure win.

    BYU @ OSU- Win-- OSU returns 12 starters from a horrible 2010 campaign. BYU will be very effective through the air against a new secondary. I dont see this as even a question. Could get Ugly.

  • -PSUYB- Scranton, Pennsylvania
    June 4, 2011 12:28 p.m.

    Continued,

    BYU @ TCU-Win-- This is a bold prediction with TCU owning BYU for the past 3 years. But for the past 3 years they have had Andy Dalton, Jeremy Kerley and Co. In 2011 TCU only returns 9 starters. The offense may struggle with a new QB, all new receivers, and 2 returning O-linemen. But the defense will be great as always. This game could go either way, but i think BYU will take advantage of a rebuilding year at TCU and pull out a win @ Cowboy Stadium. It would be a HUGE win.

  • JoCo Ute Grants Pass, OR
    June 4, 2011 12:55 p.m.

    Come on fellow Utes - give credit where credit is due. BYU is a Mormon school and going there is no different for an LDS athlete than going to Notre Dame is for a Catholic. Congrats to these young me who will be able to both live their religion and play football. Now winning on the other hand, well that's something else. Remember how BYU got into the hole they were in last year - too many early offers to LDS kids that did not work out. BYU beat out some tough competition for these kids; Harvard, Florida Atlantic, Air Force and in 1 case Utah. Love to see all these early commitments to marginal athletes.

  • reggieaggie Logan, ut
    June 4, 2011 1:00 p.m.

    BYU fans and programs, "Legends in their own mind"

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    June 4, 2011 1:03 p.m.

    Super Trooper
    .... and the score from the Vegas bowl was what???
    ...and since you brought the subject up and not me... for BYU getting one of only two at large "also ran" selections would still leave it a brick shy of a 2nd National Championship Tropy. Meanwhile Utah is still... two bricks shy from their first ever in Football. Want a grenade???... or would you prefer horseshoes???

  • JNA Layton, UT
    June 4, 2011 1:13 p.m.

    I am still searching all over RES for that National Championship banner, I know its here somewhere....but where could it be?....I've got to think....It is here? no not here...maybe over there....nope not there either...OH there it is, its in Provo at LES. I was looking in the wrong place.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    June 4, 2011 1:32 p.m.

    reggieaggie

    BYU fans and programs, "Legends in their own mind"

    And, in the National College Football Hall of Fame.

  • 4D Provo, UT
    June 4, 2011 1:57 p.m.

    There has been a lot of hype about Utahs and Byus recruiting class in the last two years. Lets take a closer look:

    2010
    Utah
    1. Reggie Dunn 4 star recruit
    2. John Cullen 4 star recruit
    3. V.J. Vehonko 4 star recruit
    4. Kenneth Scott 4 star recruit
    5. Terrel Reese 4 star recruit
    6. Tevita Finau 4 star recruit

    Byu
    1. Ross Apo 4 star recruit
    2. Jake Heaps 4 star recruit
    3. Bronson Kaufusi 4 star recruit

    2011
    Utah
    1. Harvey Langi 4 star recruit
    2. Keith Mcgill 4 star recruit
    3. Anthony Denham 4 star recruit
    4. Benji Kemoeatu 4 star recruit

    Byu
    1. Ryker Matthews 4 star recruit

  • Black Shirts South Jordan, UT
    June 4, 2011 2:00 p.m.

    QB Tanner Mangum
    OT Zach Lindsay
    S Rhett Sandlin
    S Matt Hadley
    QB Taysom Hill
    WR Josh Weeks
    MLB B0bby Wolford
    OTHoyt
    Phillips

  • Super Trooper SLC, UT
    June 4, 2011 2:01 p.m.

    BEAUTIFUL!!!

    I could not have stated it better my self JNA. That banner is hanging over s stadium named after a former Utah State Aggie player!!!

    Now THATS tradition AND premier!!!

  • Black Shirts South Jordan, UT
    June 4, 2011 2:04 p.m.

    All the above were recruited by Utah and picked BYU.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    June 4, 2011 2:12 p.m.

    4D

    We'll take a real close look when U visit Provo on September 17th.

    It's funny how Utah fans obsess about stars next to a player's name, but then get all giddy about successful walkons. How many stars did Eric Weddle have next to his name coming out of high school?

    Jake Heaps, by the way, was a FIVE star recruit, the #1-ranked QB coming out of high school.

    Gotta love the gyrations theses jealous Utah fans have to go through EVERY time they lose another recruit to BYU.

    Their whiny excuses are so predictable that they must keep them on file to cut and paste every time another player commits to BYU:

    --Utah really didn't want him.
    --He wasn't that good any way.
    --He had zero stars (which of course explains why Utah was recruiting him).

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    June 4, 2011 2:12 p.m.

    @Super Trooper the Aggie
    Yeap...can you imagine naming a cow pasture in Logan and displaying a NC banner there??? Just doesn't seem proper....

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    June 4, 2011 2:16 p.m.

    Super Trooper

    "That banner is hanging over a stadium named after a former Utah State Aggie player!!!"

    True.

    But LaVell became a legend coaching at BYU!!!!

  • 4D Provo, UT
    June 4, 2011 2:19 p.m.

    Black Shirts:

    As long as Utah keeps on getting the top recruits in the state of Utah I'm fine. Last year Utah landed four of the top five recruits in the state of Utah. If we miss out on kids that our one or two star recruits that sign with byu i'm okay with that.

  • 4D Provo, UT
    June 4, 2011 2:21 p.m.

    Black Shirts:

    As long as Utah keeps on getting the top recruits in the state of Utah I'm fine. Last year Utah landed four of the top five recruits in the state of Utah. If we miss out on kids that our one or two star recruits that sign with byu i'm okay with that.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    June 4, 2011 2:23 p.m.

    4D

    "If we miss out on kids that our one or two star recruits that sign with byu i'm okay with that."

    Eric Weddle was a two star recruit.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    June 4, 2011 2:38 p.m.

    4D

    If you're fine with that... then from that same Rival's top 100 USC got 2-5 stars and 22-4 stars and two more 4 stars who are going to gray shirt their freshman year...and meanwhile...for this upcoming year before the USC newbies even get acclimatized... the stadium that they will be playing in in the future has 92,516 seats that in 2011 will be watching a terrorized Wynn being chased and repeatedly sacked in his own backfield from. How many true blue dyed in the wool utey fans will be there...maybe 3-4000 maybe... while possibly another 5-6000 hybridized local Southern in state BYU fans willing to come out and support Utah on such a dismal day.

    So I guess you'll be fine with that...right???

  • 4D Provo, UT
    June 4, 2011 2:43 p.m.

    True Blue:

    For the most part Byu recruits and targets different players than Utah. The overlap come in the state of Utah. Most of Byu recruiting takes place in the state of Utah. In 2011 eighty percent of Byu's recruiting class was from the state of Utah. The funny part about that is Utah signed four of the top five recruits in the state of Utah in 2011. Furthermore, Utah primary recruits and signs players that are from California and Texas. Utah recruits the same type of athletes that Tcu does. The make up of Utah roster is mostly speed. The makeup of Byu's roster represents Utah County.

  • 4D Provo, UT
    June 4, 2011 3:03 p.m.

    Usc looks a lot better than playing Idaho, New Mexico State, San Jose State, Hawaii, and Utah State. Wait maybe I should take Utah State off the list since Byu got creamed by them last year.

  • Cougar_Independence OMAHA, NE
    June 4, 2011 3:34 p.m.

    @4D

    "Usc looks a lot better than playing Idaho, New Mexico State, San Jose State, Hawaii, and Utah State. Wait maybe I should take Utah State off the list since Byu got creamed by them last year."

    I love how you fail to bring in Ole Miss, Texas, Oregon State, and TCU on this list.

    On top of that, all of BYU's games in September will be on ESPN or ESPN2. how about Utah? Do they have any games scheduled for ESPN or ABC yet?

    Go Cougars!

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 4, 2011 3:34 p.m.

    4D

    "Usc looks a lot better than playing Idaho, New Mexico State, San Jose State, Hawaii, and Utah State."

    Nice dodge, but the relevant question is "How is Utah going to beat the USCs, Oregons, UCLAs and Stanfords of the PAC 12 when Utah is CONSTANTLY being outrecruited by the other PAC 12 schools?"

    According to your "stars" theory, Utah will NEVER, EVER have a chance of winning a PAC 12 championship or going to a Rose Bowl because Utah will NEVER have as many 4- and 5-star recruits as USC.

    By the way, 59 of the 118 players (50%) listed on BYU's 2011-12 roster are from California, Hawaii, Texas, Nevada, Idaho, Washington, Arizona, Kansas, Canada, Alabama, Alaska, Massachusettes, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Missouri, Ghana, South Carolina, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Minnesota, Oregon, and Colorado.

    Kinda destroys your "80% of BYU's players" come from Utah theory doesn't it.

    Maybe you should try doing a little research before spouting off.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    June 4, 2011 3:34 p.m.

    Well dude...you'll get tired of eating dust after a while and it gets awful depressing being on the welfare end of the bottom half of a conference...and admittedly...yes having to round up a schedule at the last minute does leave slim pickings for anyone in an initial start over year as opposed to walking in to a preset table....but it's still table scraps and being treated like a mutt until you've earned your keep. But we'll have an exciting first half of the season at least and undeniably will have to settle in for the ho hum second half until we replace them in the not so far very near future... Meanwhile try not to get Wynn hurt...I like the guy...I just don't envy him and what's missing on offense.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    June 4, 2011 4:17 p.m.

    re: Uteanymous | 3:34 p.m. June 4, 2011

    "...but the relevant question is "How is Utah going to beat the USCs, Oregons, UCLAs and Stanfords of the PAC 12 when Utah is CONSTANTLY being outrecruited by the other PAC 12 schools?"

    I can't recall the specific winning percentage but Utah has done well against the PAC since the Ronny Mac era.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    June 4, 2011 4:47 p.m.

    Lets just play the games. Smak talk is just hot air. I get excited about recruits when they actually show up and play. High school kids are high school kids and Mormon high school kids going on missions are 3 years away from showing up and playing.

    But I like to see the funnel filling with dudes from Florida, Texas, California.

    We'll be good this year, but I'll be happy with 10-2, even 9-3.

    I will predict, as I have in the past, that Utah will probably get roughed up a bit in the PAC12. Not that I care - I've only watched Utah three times in my life other than BYU games. One of those was a defeat in Boise by Idaho when I was 16 or so. Nobody watches Utah anywhere but SLC.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    June 4, 2011 5:25 p.m.

    Ute trolls are so funny. If recruiting a great football team were as simple as giving the trophy to the team with the most 4 and 5 star athletes, why even play the game. Texas has had a Top 5 recruiting class for the past (estimating) 10 years, and they couldn't pull off a winning season last year.

    Stars are typically awarded by the media, some of whom have never played football. It's not all about the stars.

    If stars are all that matter, Utah should concede the game to USC right now.

    Austin Collie was only a 3 star recruit and became one of the elite WRs in college and the NFL. Dennis Pitta was even lower ranked and finished his college career as one of the Top 5 TEs.

    Go Cougs!

  • 4D Provo, UT
    June 4, 2011 5:40 p.m.

    Uteanymous:

    I was referring to the 2011 recruiting class. Thirteen of the nineteen players that Byu signed are from Utah. Therefore, 65 % of Byu's 2011 recruiting class are from Utah. Lets face it Byu recruits are mostly white and lds. Whether, they are from Utah or not they still lack the team speed that teams like Utah and Tcu have. Look at Byus record against ranked teams this last decade. Its pretty horrific in case you didn't know. They do well against the cupcakes, but get exposed against top 25 teams. When they play teams that are in the top 25 they just get smoked. You know its pretty sad when Byu biggest win of this decade came over of over a 8-5 Oklahoma team. When you can beat Utah State then lets talk.

  • 4D Provo, UT
    June 4, 2011 5:55 p.m.

    National Champions:
    2010: Auburn had the sixth best recruiting class in 2010.
    2009: Alabama had the number one recruiting class in 2009.
    2008: Florida had the third best recruiting class in 2008.

    CougFaninTX,recruiting is everything about winning national championships. Look at the past three years.

  • Farid @ Pocatello Pocatello, ID
    June 4, 2011 6:20 p.m.

    I don't dislike the Utes -- I just don't give them much thought. That said, I think Utah is going to be forever stuck in the middle of the PAC-12 with an occasional championship-type year. They'll get enough quality recruits to consistently beat the Washington State's of the conference, but won't beat UCLA, USC, Oregon, etc., often enough to go 9-3 or 10-2. Depending on their pre-conference schedule, I'd guess Utah will become a perennial 8-4 or 7-5 team. And really, based on their history since I started following BYU ('75), there is nothing wrong with that.

    And regarding Utah getting that great running back recruit (Harvey Langi (sp?), did BYU really recruit him hard based on the deep stable of running backs they have? He will start for Utah this year but he would have been deep on BYU's depth chart (especially with Drew Phillips coming off his red-shirt year, a player several BYU defenders said was the best running back they faced last year (he was on the scout team in 2010).

    Does anyone know how hard BYU recruited him?

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    June 4, 2011 6:48 p.m.

    @Farid Pocatello

    Okay, so you didn't recruit Harvey how about the others? So you only went after the "bleeding blue" Mathews?

    2011 (from Rivals)
    1. Ryker Mathews 4-star OL (BYU)
    2. Harvey Langi 4-star RB (Utah)
    3. Isaac Asiata OL 3-star (Utah)
    4. Nate Fakahafua 3-star WR (Utah)
    5. Travis Still 3-star WR (Utah)

    Four of the top five Utah recruits in 2011 picked the Utes. It seems ESPN didn't help as much. However, one data point does not determine a trend. So it will be interesting to see what happens over the coming years with the top in-state recruits.

  • PVD south jordan, utah
    June 4, 2011 7:06 p.m.

    I can't believe people are getting so excited about kids that will not even see the field for 2 to 5 years (with missions and redshirts), maybe never. 50% are busts anyway. Recruiting this far out is a crap shoot and everyone knows it. Stop getting your hopes up and putting pressure on 17 years old kids.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 4, 2011 7:11 p.m.

    4D

    If you knew anything about statistics you'd know that trying to guage recruiting patterns based on one year is completely meaningless because the sample size is too small.

    Talking about getting smoked by Top 25 teams, wasn't Utah absolutely DESTROYED by Top 25 teams last year?

    In the 2009 Las Vegas Bowl, BYU destroyed the then 16th ranked Oregon State Beavers so badly, that it knocked them out of the rankings.

    As far as Utah's prospects in the PAC 12, consider this. Utah hasn't won a road game against a PAC 10 team with a winning record since last century.

    Oh, and this, BYU never been shutout by a 2-10 team!

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    Uteology

    Actually, the only data point that matters is which team is more successful on the field.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    June 4, 2011 7:24 p.m.

    @4d

    I completely agree with you that recruiting is everything when it comes to winning and moving towards a national championship. I just don't think that stars are all that accurate.

    Langi was a 4 star athlete because he was a star on a winning team with a lot of good athletes around him. Put him in a different school and he would have been ranked 2 or 3 stars. That doesn't make him not as good. It just means the media wouldn't have seen him as much and awarded him as many stars.

    Cody Hoffman was awarded 2 stars because he came out of a small school and flew under the radar. Did you see him last year? The kids a stud. He may have been the best freshman WR the Cougs have ever had. I'd take him over Travis Still who was a 3 star in a heart beat. Ross Apo is 4 stars, but I think Ross and Cody are comparable and will both be elite WRs playing on Sunday when their college careers are over.

    Kearsley and Hoyt are both solid talents, much better than U are giving them credit for.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    June 4, 2011 7:55 p.m.

    BYU fans, notice how the trolls have figured out how to "Recommend" each other? Or, are mostly Ute fans the ones even reading this article?

    Oh well, I'm doing my clicking best to even the votes! ;-)

    Guess BYU is more relevant than the Utes profess!

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    June 4, 2011 7:55 p.m.

    PVD....you miss an important point...the year makes no differeence these types keep coming off their missions every year. Utah and even USU have a few of them... and all 3 especially BYU have done well with them. Even Utah has to admit that.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    June 4, 2011 7:56 p.m.

    @ BlueHusky,

    How can you be happy with 9-3 with the upcoming BYU schedule? Way to set you sights low!

    If BYU loses more than 2 games with that schedule, then Bronco's failed his job.

    Undefeated isn't out of the question. Difficult, not guaranteed, but doable.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    June 4, 2011 8:19 p.m.

    4D
    Dude get real... other than occasionally at the safeties... BYU's well known persistent weakest link... Utah is no faster position wise than BYU year in and year out. Your recruiting hasn't suddenly blossomed over night. Utah is no more likely to draw away the SEC types of the deep secondary as any other School now or formally a part of the MWC... including TCU which yes... being a Texas school... was better at drawing faster secondary types than both Utah and BYU. Don't kid yourself... just drawing a PAC invite hasn't suddenly turned Utah into a bunch of Super Human Hulks and Speedy Gonzales's. You're still the same team you were at the end of last year minus most of your offense and with a recovering winged qb. Your a gimp team that might get lucky a year or two down the road with the recently overturned appeal that brings some heavy sanctions USC's way...and regardless of the sanctions you still have to play them every year.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    June 4, 2011 8:20 p.m.

    4D
    Dude get real... other than occasionally at the safeties... BYU's well known persistent weakest link... Utah is no faster position wise than BYU year in and year out. Your recruiting hasn't suddenly blossomed over night. Utah is no more likely to draw away the SEC types of the deep secondary as any other School now or formally a part of the MWC... including TCU which yes... being a Texas school... was better at drawing faster secondary types than both Utah and BYU. Don't kid yourself... just drawing a PAC invite hasn't suddenly turned Utah into a bunch of Super Human Hulks and Speedy Gonzales's. You're still the same team you were at the end of last year minus most of your offense and with a recovering winged qb. Your a gimp team that might get lucky a year or two down the road with the recently overturned appeal that brings some heavy sanctions USC's way...and regardless of the sanctions you still have to play them every year.

  • Tommy2Shoes Lehi, UT
    June 4, 2011 8:20 p.m.

    Hey 4D,

    I'm glad Utah is getting 4 star recruits. I live in Utah and wouldn't want to see my state look bad. I still think the PAC12 is a light weight compared to the SEC and believe you can win the south, win the PAC12 championship and a Rose Bowl. I hope you do. Hopefully, my Cougars will smack you hard in Provo and that win, plus all the others will vault us finally into a big $ game. I hope your handle doesn't refer to the highest grades you received at the U. Maybe you should change it to 4A. That way, folks will know how intelligent you are based on your handle a erudite comments.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    June 4, 2011 8:20 p.m.

    4D
    Dude get real... other than occasionally at the safeties... BYU's well known persistent weakest link... Utah is no faster position wise than BYU year in and year out. Your recruiting hasn't suddenly blossomed over night. Utah is no more likely to draw away the SEC types of the deep secondary as any other School now or formally a part of the MWC... including TCU which yes... being a Texas school... was better at drawing faster secondary types than both Utah and BYU. Don't kid yourself... just drawing a PAC invite hasn't suddenly turned Utah into a bunch of Super Human Hulks and Speedy Gonzales's. You're still the same team you were at the end of last year minus most of your offense and with a recovering winged qb. Your a gimp team that might get lucky a year or two down the road with the recently overturned appeal that brings some heavy sanctions USC's way...and regardless of the sanctions you still have to play them every year.

  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    June 4, 2011 8:23 p.m.

    The better it is for BYU, the more the ute trolls squirm. And they are squirming tonight.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    June 4, 2011 8:25 p.m.

    @4D

    "They do well against the cupcakes, but get exposed against top 25 teams."

    Deja vu! Pinch me! Is this November and December 2010?

    7-47, 3-28, 3-26

    13 pitiful points against real competion and you bring up 'cupcakes'?

    That's hilarious!

    Feeling comfortable and secure in your position in the PAC 10.2?

    Assume the fetal position as it's truly familiar to you when the Utes play real 'non-cupcake' teams.

    Thought a 10-3 season was great? Kiss it goodbye. Aint' going to happen again for a long long time.

    So if playing in a bowl is your dream goal have we got bowl deal for you, the bowl name was recently changed to better reflect the 'legacy' of former participants... The LasVegas Beatdown Bowl.

    Thank you BSU!

  • Super Trooper SLC, UT
    June 4, 2011 10:28 p.m.

    One last comment.....

    No matter what side of this argument you are on:

    LOOKS like everyone is in mid-season form!!!

    Thanks for al the laughs today!!!!

  • FanofBYU American Fork, UT
    June 4, 2011 10:39 p.m.

    Howard,

    You say Big Whoop, but the fact is your Utes wanted those kids and BYU got them. No point in trying to down play this. Remember when many of U posters kept talking about being one of the big boys and how it would help recruiting? Well so far it really hasn't. Is that also a big whoop?

  • In My Humble Opinion South Jordan, UT
    June 5, 2011 12:13 a.m.

    "Where's Stockton ??? | 8:19 a.m. June 4, 2011
    BYU's coaching staff... specifically Robert Anae... gave the Utah game away early in the 3rd quarter by gambling away the opportunity of the easy chip shot field goal on the 4th and inches. BYU had the game in the bag early. Even the blocked punt would have had no impact on the outcome of the game if the coaching staff hadn't gave the game away on that single play."

    --------
    Kick or go for it is a head coach's call, not an assistant's. The fact Bronco either, A) didn't make the call, or B) let Anae take the heat for it, shows a flaw as a head coach.

  • In My Humble Opinion South Jordan, UT
    June 5, 2011 12:33 a.m.

    4D | 5:40 p.m. June 4, 2011
    Provo, UT
    Uteanymous:

    Lets face it Byu recruits are mostly white and lds. Whether, they are from Utah or not they still lack the team speed that teams like Utah and Tcu have.
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    Thanks for showing your bigoted colors. I'm sure Eric Weddle appreciates your theory that a player must be non-white to be fast or quality.

    By the way, on your "recruiting wins championships" theory, aside from the fact only one of your three national champions had the #1 class, there is the fact that Utah doesn't have the #1 class in its conference. So which is it, recruiting wins and Utah won't, or recruiting doesn't win and Utah will? If you are going to argue, at least be consistent.

  • In My Humble Opinion South Jordan, UT
    June 5, 2011 12:39 a.m.

    Counter Intelligence | 11:36 p.m. June 4, 2011
    Salt Lake City, UT
    bitter comments from Howard S and inane comments from Ernest
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    Dude, if you are responding to Howard and Ernest, you aren't countering intelligence.

  • 4D Provo, UT
    June 5, 2011 12:56 a.m.

    To Where's Stockton ???:
    Your telling me that Utah and Byu recruit the same in the speed positions. In the last three years Utah has had five players taken in the NFL draft that play either safety or corner. Since 1986 Byu has had four defensive backs drafted. Utah has had more players drafted in the last three years in the secondary positions than Byu has in the past 25 years. Everyone knows that Byu achilles heal has been their secondary. Everyone knows speed kills byu.

    1. 2008: Sean Smith Miami Dolphins
    2. 2008: Bryce Mccain Houston Texans
    3. 2009: Robert Johnson Tennessee Titans
    4. 2009: Rj Stanford Carolina Panthers
    5. 2010: Brandon Burton Minnesota Vikinks

  • 4D Provo, UT
    June 5, 2011 1:28 a.m.

    sammyg:

    Since 1999 Byu is 3 and 16 against ranked teams. This proves my theory that Byu does well against cupcakes, but gets exposed against teams in the top twenty five. Its the same story every year Byu does well against inferior teams then gets blown away by quality top twenty five team. In fact in 2008 Utah beat five ranked teams, that is more than Byu has beat in the past decade.( i.e. Michigan, Oregon State, Byu, Tcu, and Alabama.) Although, Utah was 0-2 against ranked teams in 2010. They have winning record against ranked teams in the last decade.

  • hohum Saint George, UT
    June 5, 2011 7:49 a.m.

    Utes, bcs, money, bcs bowl games, is that all you can talk about. I am not necessarily a ute or Y fan, but I will say that I was pulling for the U against alabama. The reason I was for U was because of the arrogance of Ala, and now I see why they were that way, BCS. I will be darned it must be catching as the u now has that same arrogance.

    By the way, in the Alabama game wasn't the best player on Alabama out of the game. Seems to me it was a left tackle, you know, "blind side". Do you think that had anything at all to do with the u getting some of the sacks and tfl's. Before you make an excuse, remember "good teams" play through injury and other distractions. So what was it, Alabama not good, injured, u better, what. The same reasoning is being bantered about for Wynn and u. If any team says their best player wasn't in the game then, the better team won. Right?

  • flintrock Rigby, Id
    June 5, 2011 9:47 a.m.

    When it comes right down to it BYU has not been very good the last few years. They win a couple of games against good talent every once in a while but by and large they lose the big games. Utah has been pretty good that last few years. They stumbled at the end of last year with poor QB play. Until BYU can get into a BCS game and actually win it they really are just a barking dog with no teeth.
    Yes you did win a NC 27 years age. That's Twenty Seven year ago. Half the state of Utah was no even born then.

    Yes Utah was lucky to win the game last year. I too was shocked when the kicked was blocked. Some days your lucky and some days your not.

    This Year

    Utah 7-5 maybe 6-6 and great if 8-4
    BYU 10-2 to many cupcakes

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 5, 2011 9:47 a.m.

    4D

    Since 1999

    Conference Championship
    BYU 4
    Utah 4

    Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 5
    Utah 4

    A closer look at Utah's Top 25 wins shows that they all came at home or at neutral sites. In other words, the wins are more a product of where the games were played than in superior recruiting by Utah.

    Didn't Utah play well against inferior teams last year, and then got blown away by quality Top 25 teams?

    Except for 2004 and 2008, Utah hasn't even done that well against inferior teams on the road. During the past decade Utah has lost road games to:

    California(3-8) 21-24
    New Mexico(5-7) 3-10
    Colorado St(7-5) 17-19
    Air Force(6-6) 37-38
    Arizona(4-8) 17-23
    SDSU(4-9) 17-36
    New Mexico(7-7) 35-42
    Texas A&M(4-8) 26-28
    No Carolina(5-6) 17-31
    Colorado St(6-6) 17-21
    UCLA(7-6) 10-31
    Wyoming(6-6) 15-31
    New Mexico(6-7) 31-34
    UNLV(2-10) 0-27

    Utah's "speedy" secondary will be exposed against BYU's passing game on September 17th.

  • Farid @ Pocatello Pocatello, ID
    June 5, 2011 10:33 a.m.

    Don't get me wrong here, had BYU not gone independent, I would have really been upset that Utah got the PAC-12 invite and we didn't.

    But isn't the PAC almost irrelevant to the rest of the nation? Until recently, it was part of four states, bordered on one side by the Pacific Ocean and the other by deserts and mountains. I grew up in D.C. and because of the time zones, PAC-10 games started around 10:00 p.m. my time. And it's not just the PAC-12; the ACC and Big East also have a relatively narrow corridor to work in. You don't have to go very far for the BIG-10 and SEC to become the "premier" conference in the region.

    Utah fans, I'm not dissing your upward move. Good for you, really. But the reality is that outside of four western states (and parts of two others), I'm not sure anyone is really going to care if Oregon or USC isn't playing.

    BYU, on the other hand, will spend their season playing all across the nation in the backyards of all the great conferences.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    June 5, 2011 11:41 a.m.

    @In my humble opinion
    If you'd paid attention after the game Bronco said he deferred the call to Anae so it was Anae that made the call...Broncho put it in his hands...It was the wrong call regardless of who called it. The 3 points would have made a need for Utah to score twice on two posessions to take the lead. Early in the 3rd qtr should have registered to kick the field goal would have been the right call.. You can dice it all you want but Anae gambled with Bronco's deference and made the wrong call period...and it cost the game.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 5, 2011 11:50 a.m.

    4D

    "The overlap come in the state of Utah. Most of BYU recruiting takes place in the state of Utah."

    --Austin Hoyt, a 6-foot-7, 240-pound offensive lineman from Argonaut High in Jackson, CA

    --Brayden Kearsley, a 6-5, 277-pound offensive lineman from Aloha High School in the Portland, OR, area

    --Bobby Wolford, a 6-3, 230-pound linebacker from Jacksonville, FL

    --Phillip Amone, a 6-foot, 218-pound linebacker from Orlando, FL

    All four newly announced BYU recruits come from the West Coast or Florida.

    59 of the 118 players listed on BYU's roster for 2011-12 are from outside the state of Utah.

    For someone who is so obsessed with BYU recruiting, you sure don't seem know much about it except for your own biased opinions.

    Bronco recruits LDS and non-LDS athletes who will fit in with BYU's culture and honor code standards, but over half of BYU's students come from OUTSIDE the state of Utah, unlike Utah, where almost 90% of the students are from Utah.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    June 5, 2011 12:00 p.m.

    flintrock

    "When it comes right down to it BYU has not been very good the last few years."

    Two undefeated MWC championships, four 10+ win seasons, and four Top 25 finishes (including three in the Top 15) says otherwise.

    But, you're welcome to your biased opnion.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    June 5, 2011 12:07 p.m.

    4D
    HMMMM..... How dense are you???...what did I say about BYU secondary...almost the same didn't I??? So you produce fast secondaries and we produce great QB's and good and almost as fast recievers...sort of offsets the whole we're superior to you hokus pokus you keep spouting off about. BYU's always been an outscore the opponent team I didn't say otherwise. The point is still the same The U hasn't become a recruiting sensation over BYU or any other MWC overnight just because the U is going to the PAC. In fact you're more than likely going to experience a dramatic reversal. You're basing so much on star power is meaningless.

  • Cougars - Wise Older Brothers Anaheim, CA
    June 5, 2011 12:10 p.m.

    Is there some reason Utah fans are still obsessing about BYU recruits, BYU television coverage, all things BYU?

    Hasn't it been almost a year since the Utes left the Cougars in their rearview mirror?

    Actions speak louder than words.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 5, 2011 12:22 p.m.

    4D | 1:28 a.m. June 5, 2011
    Provo, UT

    Although, Utah was 0-2 against ranked teams in 2010. They have winning record against ranked teams in the last decade.

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    So why didn't Utah have more Top 25 finishes or win more conference championships?

    Simple answer:

    Because Utah commonly loses to mediocre teams like New Mexico, Wyoming, CSU, and UNLV, teams Bronco has never lost to, but teams Kyle has lost to multiple times, including that embarrassing 0-27 shutout to a 2-10 UNLV team.

    Expect more of the same in the PAC 12. Utah's road record against PAC 10 teams in the last decade is dreadful.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    June 5, 2011 12:37 p.m.

    4D | 2:46 p.m. June 4, 2011
    Provo, UT
    Eric Weddle is an anomaly. He is more exception than the rule. Tell me how many white safeties their are in the NFL? Not counting Eric weddle.
    ===

    Did you really go there?

    What does skin color have to do with football?

    That is classic Utah logic.

    Outlandish statements, if it supports and anti-BYU argument.

  • man of few words Salt Lake City, UT
    June 5, 2011 2:50 p.m.

    Hey!

    What happened to all those Thursday night games that all those Ute fans were promising us?! Man, Chris B ... I'm going to stop "marking it down!"

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    June 5, 2011 3:58 p.m.

    sammyg | 8:25 p.m. June 4, 2011

    Assume the fetal position as it's truly familiar to you when the Utes play real 'non-cupcake' teams.

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    FACT: Utah hasn't been humiliated since 2007 @UNLV vs below .500 teams... 33-6 since then, the only final un-ranked team was @Notre Dame (#19 USA Today).

    FACT: Over the same period BYU has been put in the "fetal position" 9 times, including against cupcakes: #114 Utah State, #50 UofA, 7-6 FSU @LES.

    Shhh... just don't let BYU fans like sammyg in on the joke.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    June 5, 2011 4:06 p.m.

    Uteanymous

    Nice observation. I asked a similar question over a year ago - with all the NFL draftees, why didn't Utah finish higher? Maybe the answer to both of our questions lies in the discipline of the team.

    The behavior of many Utah players BEFORE the Boise State game last year was almost more embarrassing than the outcome of the game.

    Perhaps that speed doesn't translate into the self discipline necessary to be consistently good.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    June 5, 2011 4:30 p.m.

    @Veritas

    What does skin color have to do with football?

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    What? Do you live in a bubble?

    Simple statistics really. The probability is greater that a young black male is more likely to be an athlete than a white male.

    Here's what I found:

    "Only the most committed egalitarian ideologue can deny the black edge in basketball, football and sprinting. Tune in an NBA game and there is a fair chance you will find ten black players on the court. Try an NFL game. Most of the faces on the field will be black as well. Then measure this against the fact that blacks comprise about 13 percent of all Americans. But nowhere is black superiority more dramatically illustrated than in sprinting. No white has ever run a 100m in less than 10 seconds. At least 30 blacks have."

    -- La Griffe du Lion

  • Christy B Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 5, 2011 5:30 p.m.

    Uteology | 3:58 p.m. June 5, 2011
    Fort Worth, Texas

    FACT: Utah hasn't been humiliated since 2007 @UNLV vs below .500 teams...

    --------------------------------------

    Wow! Three full seasons since Utah was humiliated 0-27 by a 2-win team.

    BYU hasn't been shut out by a team with 2 or fewer wins, since 1959... doing the math, I think that's over half a century.

    But, congratulations on making it whole three years since your last shut out humiliation.

    Now tell us about those three humiliations and two near misses in your last five games:

    TCU(13-0) 7-47
    at SDSU(9-4) 38-34
    at Notre Dame(8-5) 3-28
    BYU(7-6) 17-16
    Boise State(12-1) 3-26

  • Cougar_Independence OMAHA, NE
    June 5, 2011 5:44 p.m.

    @Uteology

    "Utah hasn't been humiliated since 2007 @UNLV"

    1) Um, I recall ESPN College Gameday coming to SLC last year for a huge showdown between Utah and TCU. Ute fans were saying it was gonna be another BCS year, and they were going to show TCU what Pac12 teams are gonna do. And what happened? TCU put up 44 points on a "fast, NFL talent laden" Utah defense. Btw, BYU held TCU to fewer points last year.

    2) 2010 Vegas Bowl. No need to say more.

    Go Cougars!

  • FanofBYU American Fork, UT
    June 5, 2011 5:51 p.m.

    WhatsInItForMe

    I am as much a BYU fan as anyone but your claim that if BYU loses more than 2 games this year he will be a complete failure it absurd. Clearly you have never played the game at any true competitive level. BYU will be playing Ol' Miss on their turf Sept. 3rd. Have you ever been in the South in Sept? It is hot. It is muggy. If your body is not accustomed to that kind of humid heat, it can have a real impact on your performance. The odds of muscles cramping up sky rocket because you just don't realize how much fluid you are loosing. It's similar to when teams come to Provo to play and you see them sucking on the oxygen because their lungs aren't used to the altitude.

    Please be more realistic with your prognostications.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    June 5, 2011 6:02 p.m.

    Y Grad / Y Dad

    The behavior of many Utah players BEFORE the Boise State game last year was almost more embarrassing than the outcome of the game.

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    Not this argument again, speaking of embarrassing:

    A) BYU apologizes to USU for ill-advised Jumbotron message -- DN (Nov 18, 2010)

    B) BYU football: Max Hall reprimanded by Mountain West Conference -- DN (Nov. 30, 2009)

    C) BYU football: Max Hall apologizes for tirade -- DN (Nov. 30, 2009)

    D) BYU football: Lamb, Jorgensen reprimanded for comments in Daily Herald -- DN (Nov. 23, 2009)

    As far as winning goes, Utah has been considered a top 10 program over the last decade, like by CBS Sports.

    Yes, I know BYU has 5 vs 4 Top 25 rankings, but...

    I guess people at CBS Sports don't think two #25 BYU teams(2001 2008) are that much better than a #26 Utah (2010) team. The rest is not even close to the two undefeated top 5 rankings.

    Over the last 3 years Utah had 13 players drafted who went Utah wen 33-6 (lost to #2, #6, #8, #11, #12, Notre Dame)... and every Ute will tell you 2010 was a disappointing year.

  • FanofBYU American Fork, UT
    June 5, 2011 6:14 p.m.

    4D

    2010
    Utah
    1. Reggie Dunn 4 star recruit - Coming to Utah from Junior College Ranks
    2. John Cullen 4 star recruit - Coming to Utah from Junior College Ranks
    3. V.J. Vehonko 4 star recruit - Couldn't find anything on him.
    4. Kenneth Scott 4 star recruit - 3 Star Position Rating according to Scout
    5. Terrel Reese 4 star recruit - 2 Star Position Rating according to Scout
    6. Tevita Finau 4 star recruit - 4 Star Position Rating according to Scout

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    June 5, 2011 8:54 p.m.

    4D | 1:28 a.m. June 5, 2011
    Provo, UT
    Since 1999 Byu is 3 and 16 against ranked teams.

    @ 4d - I respect your right to free speech, but if you're going to quote statistics, please make sure you have the right information. The above record is incorrect. Please do your homework and re-post the correct record. This time, don't rely on hh for your statistics.

    Or you can look at a longer time period per CFBTrivia.

    BYU against ranked teams 25-54-1
    Utah against ranked teams 15-84-0

    Since 1974
    BYU has finished the season ranked 17 times.
    Utah has finished the season ranked 5 times.

    The dominance is obvious.

  • Koke Spanish Fork, UT
    June 5, 2011 9:42 p.m.

    I cannot comprehend the acrimony over a few Junior commits. Clearing our heads for a minute. Here are the arguable truths:

    Recruiting success is better defined by finding the best players for the team which takes into account athleticism, football IQ, character, work ethic, and team vs self focus. Each team weights these variables differently. People who assign stars to players weight these variables too. BYU adds a specific moral component to these variables as well. I am happy that BYU got the players they think fit their system.

    Utah is a good team that is probably in for a rebuilding year in a tougher conference than the MTN. Kyle is a good/smart coach who will help his program leverage the increased prestige and recruiting opportunities that come from the PAC. By the stars, the Utes have a recruiting advantage over the cougars.

    BYU has a strong team identity and does amazing things with often overlooked players. They get an A+ for turning these players into stars. Independence improves BYU's exposure, recruiting options, and income. BYU also has blown more big games than they should have. Bronco is addressing the problems and we should expect improvements.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    June 5, 2011 11:41 p.m.

    Uteology

    2008 was the high-water mark for Utah football. Just like 1998 was the high-water mark for Utah basketball.

    And just like basketball, Utah football is in decline. The dismal end to 2010 is just the prelude.

  • flintrock Rigby, Id
    June 6, 2011 9:07 a.m.

    True Blue:

    Winning the MWC means nothing on the national stage. The only thing that counts is were you good enough to be invited to a BCS game and did you win that game.

    BYU 0 Invites and 0 wins

    Utah 2 Invites and 2 wins.

    BYU is a barking dog with no teeth.

  • Troll Hunter Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 6, 2011 9:12 a.m.

    From all the Ute Trolls commenting on this article, you can tell that they are worried, and you can't say otherwise. The exposure BYU will be getting through the years will bring in more and more talent across the country, not just Utah, California or Texas.

  • man of few words Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2011 10:02 a.m.

    flintrock

    Thanks ... we'll be sure to remember that while we're watching all of those Saturday games on ESPN. Have fun with Versus, though.

    (Oh, and while we are polishing all of those trophies we have that U haven't even been in contention for).

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    June 6, 2011 10:46 a.m.

    flintrock

    Sorry, the only thing that really counts is winning National Championships and Heiman Trophies, the twin pinnacles of major college football.

    National Championships
    BYU 1
    Utah 0

    Heisman Trophies
    BYU 1
    Utah 0

    Yipping, ankle-gumming dogs with lesser accomplishments need not apply.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    June 6, 2011 10:54 a.m.

    flintrock | 9:07 a.m. June 6, 2011
    Rigby, Id

    True Blue:

    Winning the MWC means nothing on the national stage.

    -----------------------

    Maybe not alot, but winning a MWC championship certainly means alot more than finishing 3rd, and it's light years ahead of ancient conference championships from the Rocky Mountain and Skyline conference era, which another Utah fan blogger was claiming were national stage-type accomplishments.

    Pre-2004, what exactly did Utah accomplish on the national stage?

  • payara OREM, UT
    June 6, 2011 11:06 a.m.

    I see the future with clear blue eyes and it is nice. All you guys with red eyes, get some visene.

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    June 6, 2011 11:23 a.m.

    Re: Uteology

    So how about we just assume that 9 out of every 10 black athletes are better than white athletes, there's a smart idea.

    Don't be ridiculous.

  • man of few words Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2011 11:41 a.m.

    TrueBlue

    "Pre-2004, what exactly did Utah accomplish on the national stage?"

    Well, from 1972 - 1992 The Utes were able to beat the Cougars 2 whole times! How's that for starters? LOL

  • Duckhunter Hunter Alpine, UT
    June 6, 2011 12:45 p.m.

    If we're going back in history, man of few, why not go to the start? From 1896 to 1972 BYU managed to beat BYU 8 times. LOL!

    Record over that period:

    Utah = 41 wins BYU = 8 Ties = 4

    Overall series:

    Utah 54 wins and BYU only has 31. LOL!

  • Duckhunter Hunter Alpine, UT
    June 6, 2011 12:59 p.m.

    "BYU managed to beat Utah" is what I meant to say in my second sentence.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 6, 2011 1:01 p.m.

    @Duckhunter Hunter "From 1896 to 1972 BYU managed to beat BYU 8 times. LOL!"
    Wow, that's an impressive feat. How did BYU manage to beat themselves 8 times? :)

    My two cents on the whole BYU/Utah series...keep it to the current coaches, since that seems to be applicable to the here and now. 3-3 between Bronco and Whit. One thing is for sure, it's one of the best rivalries in the nation, and I'm excited that the whole nation will have a chance to be exposed to it September 17th and from here on out. Go Cougars!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    June 6, 2011 1:03 p.m.

    @Duckhunter Hunter

    I see you've become an ancient history major. I'm more into current trends, and I'm very excited for September 17. Just curious . . . has Wynn gotten the stiches from his surgery removed yet?

  • ImaCaMan Redlands, CA
    June 6, 2011 1:31 p.m.

    ...also recruited by Navy, Harvard and Princeton. Ha! If he was being recruited for the debate team maybe I'd be impressed.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    June 6, 2011 1:43 p.m.

    Past history is only good for some things, like getting ESPN to foot your football bill for awhile. Like with BYU's independence.

    Otherwise, truecoug1 is correct. Bronco vs Whit is where it's at. If they both stick with their teams awhile, this could really be fun. They're both great coaches.

  • plyxply SLC, UT
    June 6, 2011 2:39 p.m.

    Heaps is so overrated it's silly, but he's still better than the U qb. With that said Ammon Olsen is going to be the best Cougar qb in camp this fall and will make Heaps think seriously about going on a mission or transferring after he comes into camp and takes Jake's job.

  • man of few words Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2011 2:39 p.m.

    Duckhunter Hunter

    Yes, and now you get to show your games on Versus while you troll BYU articles. How very special that must make you feel. LOL

    I'll think of you while watching ESPN .... actually, I probably won't.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    June 6, 2011 2:51 p.m.

    Duckhunter Hunter

    Yes, it's pretty amazing that the team that once dominated the series during the leather helmet era could tank so badly as soon as the other team developed a pulse.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    June 6, 2011 3:18 p.m.

    ImaCaMan | 1:31 p.m. June 6, 2011
    Redlands, CA

    ...also recruited by Navy, Harvard and Princeton. Ha! If he was being recruited for the debate team maybe I'd be impressed.

    -----------------------

    Sorry to burst your jealous little bubble, but not all football players are dumb jocks. Some of them are also very smart.

  • Duckhunter Hunter Alpine, UT
    June 6, 2011 3:24 p.m.

    BYU was owned back in the leather helmet days! And, overall, Utah still owns them! Struck a chord with you guys, didn't I? Either talk about all of the history or talk about recent history. Which is it?

    If we talk about overall history, BYU has been owned by Utah head-to-head. 54 wins for Utah to 31 for th Yners.

    If we talk about recent history, Utah has won 2 BCS games (something BYU hasn't done even once) and won 6 out of the last 9. And how does it feel to be the 3rd best team in the state (31-16 ring a bell? and it wasn't even that close)? LOL!

  • bigsoccer Syracuse, UT
    June 6, 2011 4:22 p.m.

    Duckhunter:
    I am pretty sure the Church still owned BYU back in the days, hmmm. Harline is still open and so is Austin Collie.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    June 6, 2011 4:45 p.m.

    @ Duckhunter Hunter,

    Ancient (I wasn't born then) history in sports means absolutely nothing.

    Recent (I'm old enough to remember the games) history in sports means something.

    Recent (the last several years) history means a little more for predicting future outcomes.

    Current history (we're in between at the moment) just means some of us can smile, others hope.

    Future (next year) history in sports means everything.

    The BYU-Utah record that's more applicable has BYU WAY ahead.

    We'll see again on September 17th, won't we?

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    June 6, 2011 4:46 p.m.

    At this rate well be awesome forever.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    June 6, 2011 4:58 p.m.

    Cougar Claws | 11:23 a.m. June 6, 2011
    Lindon, UT
    Re: Uteology

    So how about we just assume that 9 out of every 10 black athletes are better than white athletes, there's a smart idea.

    Don't be ridiculous.
    ===

    Are we really asking Uteology not to be rediculous.

    La Griffe du Lion, who Uteology cited, is an anonymous name.

    Uteology, according to the federal Centers for Disease Control, a teenager of European descent is 4 times more likely than his African- American classmate to be a regular cocaine user. While, according to the Justice Department, if he's arrested on drug charges, he's 1-½ times more likely than his white classmate to be sent to prison.

    Are you saying this is intrinsic, or extrinsic?

    Are you claiming different genes...

    ====

    Or, can we (4D and Uteology) talk football, and all sports, without the racism?
    Just because ya hate BYU, let's agree that we don't bring every possible scenario into the mix.
    ===

    Might I sugguest a little sensitivity training, a socialology class, and a little sensitivity to all readers of the Deseret News...

  • Duckhunter Hunter Alpine, UT
    June 6, 2011 5:11 p.m.

    WhatsInIt,

    You sound like a poor imitation of a Mastercard commercial, but, in the end, fail to deliver anything of substance.

    What BYU-Utah record has BYU "WAY ahead" as you say? Certainly, it's not head-to head performance.

    Don't quote the 1984 NC, which BYU backed into and is laughed at by college football fans around the country as being the most hollow championship in all of college sports. Beating a 5th place team in any conference is hardly worth bragging about. None of the teams that would have been worthy opponents wanted to play BYU because they knew how big of a joke it was. Both of the teams Utah played in BCS games would have soundly beat a 5th place team (and probably beat BYU's '84 team).

    And if you're referring to recent performance Utah has won 6 out of the last 9, dating back to 2002. And, as you know, Utah won the most recent game and does not own the title of 3rd best team in the state (31-16 and it wasn't even that close! LOL!!!!!!!!!!)

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    June 6, 2011 5:24 p.m.

    @ deductive reasoning

    Some of them also have more than one other school with a decent football program show interest in them too.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    June 6, 2011 5:41 p.m.

    Duckhunter Hunter

    BYU - four Top 25 finishes in the last five years, including three in the Top 15, and five in the last decade

    Utah - five Top 25 finishes in their entire history, including three in the Top 15, and only four in the last decade

    BYU - two MWC championships in the last five years

    Utah - one MWC championship in the last five years

    Current Coaches

    Kyle has lost to every team in the MWC including New Mexico(twice), Wyoming, Colorado State, and UNLV(0-27)

    Bronco has NEVER lost to New Mexico, Wyoming, Colorado State, or UNLV

    BYU also won another national individual award during the last decade - the Doak Walker Award

    Utah has NEVER won a national individual award

    recent head-to-head, BYU has won 3 of the last 5 (60%), and 26 of the last 39 (66%)

    Even with their two BCS wins and having their best decade in history, Utah still can't compete with BYU.

    See you in September.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    June 6, 2011 6:17 p.m.

    @Troy Town

    So your comeback to duckhunter hunter's comment about 2 BCS wins being far superior to your 1984 Shampionship is to brag about Top 25 finishes, beating Wyoming, and winning doak walker awards? Dude I'm not even a BYU fan and I could have done better than that.

  • flintrock Rigby, Id
    June 6, 2011 6:35 p.m.

    UteBusters:

    Were you born when BYU won its NC 27 years ago. I actually went to the game.
    BYU was given the NC because Nebraska went for the 2 points and a win instead of a tie. If they had simply kicked the extra point they would have been voted the NC over BYU even if they tied with Miami.

    Tom Osborne... A real man

    2004 and 2008 Utah teams would have killed the 1984 BYU NC team and I was a BYU supporter back in 84. I changed teams because of the arrogance and self-righteous example I saw to much of. Yes I still go to church and pay a full tithe. I just wear red shirts celebrating BCS wins in 04 and 08.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    June 6, 2011 6:51 p.m.

    truthsandwich

    The point is, even during Utah's best decade ever, and BYU's worst decade since the 70's, BYU still outperformed Utah in number of Top 25 finishes and national individual award winners.

    Utah fans brag about successes, but curl into a fetal position when you point out Utah's flaws, like Kyle constantly losing to mediocre teams in the MWC, which explains why Bronco has two MWC championships and Kyle only one.

    Utah stomps UCLA at home, then goes on the road the very next week and is shutout by 2-10 UNLV 0-27.

    Utah builds up an impressive early season record to rise a Top 5 ranking in 2010, then promptly gets destroyed at home by TCU 7-47, as well as by Notre Dame and Boise State.

    Even in a rebuilding year, with a completely new backfield and a freshman QB, BYU was in the game at TCU until the closing moments of the first half.

    In the supposedly biggest game in Utah history, Utah lost to TCU in the first quarter.

    Oct 16th - BYU at TCU 3-31 (28-point deficit)
    Nov 6th - TCU at Utah 7-47 (40-point deficit)

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    June 6, 2011 7:07 p.m.

    @Flintrock
    Jim McMahon and the 81 Cougars would have beat the 84 NC BYU team too...and made mincemeat out of the 2004 and 2008 Uteys...so what's your point...big deal... you got two also rans and nothing more...meanwhile the hardware in Provo speaks for itself. Go hug your 1944 NCAA BB NC trophy... one of the years when all of the real men were off fighting a war and the 4f's were home trying to look like they were playing real basketball.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    June 6, 2011 7:43 p.m.

    @troytown

    "point is BYU still out performed Utah in a number of top 25 finishes.."
    Yes, some years they were better than Utah was. No one is arguing that. Your point is changing. Utah clearly accomplished more on a national level, but the head to head matchup in the rivalry has been great.

    "..national individual award winners."
    Woah- now you won plural individual awards? Were these also awards that no one other than a BYU fan would trash talk over?

    "U fans curl into a fetal pos.."
    This is exactly why U fans are more tolerable than the Y- because they don't do that. There is a fan base in this state that thinks they are the best team in the nation every preseason, regardless of facts or accomplishments, but it isn't at the U.

    "Bronco has 2.."
    Props to Bronco, he's a good coach.

    (continued)

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    June 6, 2011 7:51 p.m.

    "Utah gets destroyed by TCU"
    Uuugh.. Don't remind me. I was on the 14th row. 9th row at Notre Dame. Don't know which was worse.

    "BYU was in the game for most of the first half"
    Its a shame about that second half they have to play in every football game.

    "supposedly biggest game in Utah history"
    The biggest game in Utah history was the Sugar Bowl where we "seal clubbed Alabama in the deep south" according to Rick Reily. Unless you're talking about the state. Then yes, it was technically the biggest game, but every reasonable U fan I know knew we were prob overrated, and that was an amazing TCU team.

    "deficits"
    Really? We're really talking smack about getting blown out by slightly fewer points? To prove what- who was the better team? Because we figured that one out when they played against each other.

  • Big Pappy west jordan, utah
    June 6, 2011 7:57 p.m.

    Don't know much about the 2 lineman who committed but being a huge fan of FL. high school football, both linebackers are the real deal. Look for both of them to do some real dammage by their Soph. years.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    June 6, 2011 8:08 p.m.

    "The biggest game in the history of the state will be played Saturday afternoon at Rice-Eccles Stadium... The two teams come into this week's game both undefeated with a combined 17-0 record and BCS rankings of No. 3 for TCU and No. 5 for Utah."

    -- Mike Sorensen, DN (Published: Monday, Nov. 1, 2010 12:07 a.m. MDT)

    The only reason the game didn't become the biggest game in Utah history is because it became the biggest humiliation in Utah history.

    TCU 47
    Utah 7

    By the way, a 40-point blowout AT HOME, is MUCH BIGGER, than a 28-point blowout on the road.

  • morpunkt Glendora, CA
    June 6, 2011 8:30 p.m.

    That's great. But remember, we also need some DBs!

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    June 6, 2011 9:05 p.m.

    "Unless you're talking about the state (of Utah) then yes, it was the biggest game."

    -Me, DN message boards (published before your comment)

    You're still bragging about being blown out by slightly fewer points (nice), and you're still using that to compare yourself to a team that beat you.

  • In Stitches Provo, Utah
    June 6, 2011 9:08 p.m.

    flintrock

    " I was a BYU supporter back in 84. I changed teams because of the arrogance and self-righteous example I saw to much of. Yes I still go to church and pay a full tithe."

    ===

    Funny, those are the same qualities from the Ute fans (such as the ones who post negative, childish drivel on other team's articles) that turn me (and many, many others)off to Ute sports. Yes, I still live in Utah and pay a full tax.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    June 6, 2011 9:51 p.m.

    1. For the record, a 40-point blowout AT HOME, is MUCH BIGGER, than a 28-point blowout on the road.

    2. Glad some of you Ute fans aren't managing my portfolio. Good year trending bad at the end or mediocre year trending up at the end.

    3. Uteology, call it a tired argument if you like, but BYU bad behavior was reprimanded and followed by apologies. Last years team behavior by Utah went unchecked and was followed by humiliation at the hands of Boise and very nearly by an admittedly mediocre BYU team.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 6, 2011 10:07 p.m.

    @flintrock

    If you are going to make dubious claims you should at least check the facts before you do it.

    1st of all Nebraska was not even in the running for the National Championship in 1984 when BYU won it. The Nebraska/Miami game you are refering to happened in the Orange Bowl the previous season. LOL

    For a "former" BYU fan that actually attended the Holiday Bowl in which BYU won the National Championship you would think you would actually know the particulars.

    LOL

  • flintrock Rigby, Id
    June 6, 2011 10:50 p.m.

    Duckhunter:

    You are exactly right. My bad. Time to eat some crow. Thanks for the correction.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    June 6, 2011 11:08 p.m.

    "If we're going back in history, man of few, why not go to the start? From 1896 to 1972 BYU managed to beat BYU 8 times. LOL!

    Record over that period:

    Utah = 41 wins BYU = 8 Ties = 4

    Overall series:

    Utah 54 wins and BYU only has 31 [sic]. LOL!"

    Ok, but here are a few stats to note:
    1896-1972 (same year range):
    Utah--- 41 wins--- 37 home games
    BYU---- 8 wins---- 16 home games

    And considering that from 1896 to 1922 BYU didn't really have much of a team (more like an intramural sport) and didn't really become popular until the 60's.

    Some more stats:
    Overall:
    Utah--- 54 wins--- 57 home games
    BYU---- 34 wins--- 35 home games

    They look awfully similar, don't they? Let's look at the other time period you didn't include (1972-present):
    Utah--- 13 wins--- 20 home games
    BYU---- 26 wins--- 19 home games

    OUCH! Now that the home/away games start to even out and BYU starts caring about football, Utah has been owned by BYU!

    Nothing stings a Ute fan like the truth.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    June 7, 2011 12:04 a.m.

    The BYU team that blew out Oregon in the Las Vegas bowl would have beat Utah's 2004 and 2008 teams, easily.

    There! An opinion.

    Pretty much what anyone else here has spouted (opinions) when comparing teams that never played each other.

    It's all opinion.

    The truth's in the game. Utah lucked out last time. BYU won't need luck next time.

    Again, opinion!

    And, mine's better than yours (being facetious).

    All opinions have equal weight because they're predicting the future, which no one can do completely accurately.

    Still, it's fun to banter, eh?

  • Boo Ya!!! SLC, UT
    June 7, 2011 8:20 a.m.

    Curious "WhatsInItForMe" if that byu team was so GREAT, what were they doing in the Las Vegas bowl in the first place?

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    June 7, 2011 9:17 a.m.

    @ Boo Ya!!!

    They WERE that great by year's end. Earlier slip-ups cost them an undefeated season.

    And year's end are when bowls are played, thus my OPINION that the team would have beaten Utah's two BCS winning teams.

    And I DID root heartily for Utah when they beat Alabama. I watched it on a hospital monitor while waiting for a grandbaby to be born. Good night all around!

  • 4D Provo, UT
    June 7, 2011 9:29 a.m.

    The following is a draft breakdown since 2005 when Kyle and Btonce started their coaching career at Byu and Utah. I believe that their are several methods to measure how well a program is recruiting. One measuring stick is the amount of players that are drafted to the NFL. Although, some of the players drafted during this time frame were not recruited by these coach's. It has a reflection on how well the coach's can develop talent and how well the program is doing overall.

    BYU
    Total Player Drafted: 9
    Offense: 6
    Defense: 3

    Utah: 19
    Offense: 6
    Defense: 13

    It appears that both schools are pretty even on players drafted on offense. However, on the defense side of the ball there is a huge discrepancy. Utah obviously has done a better job recruiting defensive players.

  • Duckhunter Hunter Alpine, UT
    June 7, 2011 9:36 a.m.

    @What's

    "They WERE that great by year's end. Earlier slip-ups cost them an undefeated season.

    And year's end are when bowls are played, thus my OPINION that the team would have beaten Utah's two BCS winning teams."

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!! That could be the funniest thing I've read on this board. You're really saying that the BYU team that beat Oregon in the Las Vegas bowl was better than the 2 Utah BCS teams? LOL!

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    June 7, 2011 9:59 a.m.

    @ 4D,

    Remember my post about how statistics can be used to tell lies? Your comment about some draftees not being recruited by the current coaches shows that the point you're trying to make doesn't hold water.

    Give these two coaches another few years, then make draft comparisons based on who they each recruited. Then you can say whether one school does a better job than the other in that.

    Head-to-head, aren't these two coaches even?

    In overall wins during their careers, they're nearly dead even also. Bronco wins = 56-21 (.727); Kyle wins = 58-20 (.744).

    Two great coaches!

  • 4D Provo, UT
    June 7, 2011 10:24 a.m.

    All Byu fans do is bring up their top 25 finishes this past decade. One thing Byu hasn't been able to do since leaving the Wac is finish in the top five. Byu fans measure their success on finishing the season with with two or three losses, and finishing the season ranked between 10-25. One difference between Byu and Utah is that Utah has shown their ability to be a top ten program, and Byu has shown that they are consistent at going 10-2 and finishing in the bottom half of the top 25. Byu fans seem to be content finishing between 10-25, but anything but a Bcs game is a disappointment to Utah fans.

    Utah: Two top five finishes this past decade
    Byu: No top five finishes this past decade

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    June 7, 2011 11:02 a.m.

    I read the article and am not sure what ANY of it has to do with Utah's football program.

    It makes me wonder if all of these posters actually read it or if some are just looking for an excuse to be rude. Or, rather, create an excuse to be anonymously and unnecessarily rude. What you post anonymously says a lot about who you really are.

    I'm happy to welcome these young men to the University I love and I hope they have wonderful experiences there. I'm also so excited about the upcoming football TV schedule. I like Greg Wrubell and his enthusiasm and all, but it still better to be able to WATCH the game!

    Go Cougars!!!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 7, 2011 11:36 a.m.

    @4d

    You sure are trying hard top prove something. Keep it up because I think you have wedgie, howie and christina b convinced of whatever it is. I have my doubts about anyone else.

  • flynn is the coolest Salt Lake City, UT
    June 7, 2011 2:38 p.m.

    4D | 10:24 a.m. June 7, 2011
    Provo, UT

    "Byu fans seem to be content finishing between 10-25, but anything but a Bcs game is a disappointment to Utah fans. "

    This is why BYU fans are the best fans- we love our team even if they are struggling. LES is mostly full even when we play the likes of Wyoming- or are having a bad year. I hope it doesn't happen, but we shall see what RES looks like when the UTES have a losing record. I imagine it will look similar to the Huntsman center these past few years.

  • MichiganCoog Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 7, 2011 2:41 p.m.

    4D,

    Great you have 2 top 10 finishes this decade...GREAT! For the rest of your history? Crickets...Yeah, BYU has only had 3 top ten finishes in their history...only slightly better. Perhaps it is because BYU has been playing tougher non-conference opponents? Except for last year, and obvious rebuilding year for BYU, along w/ a perfect storm of events that led to a 7-6 record. Well you know something? That'll be Utah's lot this year...which is so plainly obvious to the musses. Whereas, BYU is set to have a great season w/ 18 of 22 starters returning, that were on a roll at the end of last season.

    Anyone w/ half a brain can see this happening in both cases: Utah has a green offense, led by a QB (Wynn) that has no confidence, no experienced RB's to hand off to, and BYU returns everyone, with a very confident QB that is ready to light things up. And, with 5 national TV broadcasts in the 1st month, if BYU manages to win all 5 (very possible), they'll be TOP-10 easy, until they face TCU in Dallas...

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    June 7, 2011 3:59 p.m.

    Dear Ute Fans. So many of you touted the fact that Utah is a research university and BYU is not considered a research university and that is why Utah was invited to join the new PAC-12. You belittled BYU for not getting the invite to join the new PAC-12 because of this fact.

    If Utah is such a "great research university", then you failed to learn that skill, because most of your comments show little or no research whatsoever. Your posts continue to further demonstrate that you did not learn this while attending the U.

    Many of you come on here and bemoan the fact the the PAC-10 does not have Utah on the website yet, failing to realize (with your great intellectual acumen gained at this research university) that Utah does not join the PAC-12 until July 1, 2011 and is not part of the current PAC-10.

    Remember when you point your finger at someone else there are three pointing back at you.

  • Duckhunter Hunter Alpine, UT
    June 7, 2011 4:18 p.m.

    Michigan Coog,

    "Perhaps it is because BYU has been playing tougher non-conference opponents?"

    I don't know what you're trying to say in the above statement since you cite no evidence to support your claim, but when games matter the most:

    Utah in bowl games is 12-4 with a .750 winning percentage (2 BCS wins)

    BYU in bowl games is 11-17 with a .392 winning percentage LOL! (maybe you do play tougher games but there's a difference between participating in those games and winning those games)

    "BYU is set to have a great season w/ 18 of 22 starters returning, that were on a roll at the end of last season."

    The first part of your statement may be correct, but check the level of competition you played in your alleged roll at the end of last season. You won 4 out of 5 in the regular season. Heck, I'll give you 5 out of 6 if we count the bowl game, but only one of those teams had a winning record and you lost. Guess who it was?

    BYU will not win its first 5 games. You're losing it, brah.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    June 7, 2011 7:43 p.m.

    4D

    BYU has finished in the AP Top 25 17 out of 86 seasons (20%)

    Utah has finished in the AP Top 25 5 out of 117 seasons (4%)

  • Duckhunter Hunter Alpine, UT
    June 8, 2011 9:03 a.m.

    @phoenix

    Head-to-head stat that matters most:

    Utah 54 wins
    BYU 34 wins

    Utah has owned BYU!

    LOL!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    June 8, 2011 9:10 a.m.

    For those still wrestling with the impact the PAC-12 will have on Utah and the move to going Independent will have on BYU, I encourage you to read the well written article on deepshadesofblue titled "Utah still living in BYU's shadow".

    The fact is made that Utah will be seen less on television this year than they were in the MWC last year. That fact is made that most football fans outside of Utah don't realize Utah has changed conferences. The fact is made that the Utes joining the PAC-12 will be overshadowed by "BYU's coming out of obscurity" with all the media coverage.

    9+ wins will only solidify BYU's coverage by ESPN.

    There is a report coming from a Hawaiian newspaper that the Hawaii game will also be broadcast on ESPN, bringing the total to 7 games. One reporter is claiming that 10 BYU games will be broadcast on ESPN channels. The only two that will likely not make it are against Idaho State (understandably it will be on BYUtv) and Oregon State (because of the agreement with Fox).

    Go Cougs!

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    June 8, 2011 9:24 a.m.

    "Head-to-head stat that matters most:

    Utah 54 wins
    BYU 34 wins

    Utah has owned BYU!"
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    Duckhunter hunter,

    You obviously did not read my previous post. Here are some key stats:
    Utah 57 home games
    BYU 35 homes games

    Those numbers look like the number of wins. Could there possibly be a correlation? By the way, most of Utah's wins came from before 1972 (when BYU only had a home game 16 times in a 49 year time period!). Here's another stat for you:

    1972 - present
    Utah-- 13 wins-- 20 home games
    BYU-- 26 wins-- 19 home games

    So it looks like when they start to evenly distribute home/away games, Utah stands no chance against the mighty Cougars! Besides, Utah has still played 22 more home games than BYU has, but I am guessing you and all other Ute fans would be opposed to playing the next 22 games in a row in LES, am I right?

    Also, to state that head-to-head is the most important factor, then by that same logic BYU owns Utah in basketball (they have the overall record).