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  • Idaho Coug Meridian, Idaho
    May 26, 2011 9:45 a.m.

    I think BYU hoops will be better than this but it is a reasonable projection based on Davies' uncertainty and the brand new backcourt.

  • IndianaCoug Bloomington, IN
    May 26, 2011 10:06 a.m.

    This headline is misleading since the article it cites only puts the Cougars at #4 based on Davies not playing (which he almost certainly will be). I expect, as the Mercury News article states, that BYU will be duking it out for first place in a much improved WCC. Not bad for a "rebuilding" year. Go Cougs!

  • cowboy99 South Jordan, UT
    May 26, 2011 10:22 a.m.

    With or without Davies, BYU is easily going to take the WCC to the woodshed. It's not even a question up in the air. But of course a writer from San Jose is going to give his own school the benefit of the doubt. I think people over estimate Davies contribution too. Yeah he's a really good baller but I think we're going to miss Kyle Collinsworth more.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    May 26, 2011 10:22 a.m.

    Can't wait for Haws' return.

    BYU will contend for the title since Davies will have resolved his issues and will be back with the team. If that were not possible he'd have transferred by now...

  • SoCalTrueBlue2 San Diego, CA
    May 26, 2011 11:25 a.m.

    Charles Abouo has the potential to be a monster player as a starter, especially on defense. DeMarcus Harrison and Matt Carlino will surprise a lot of people and provide more offense than expected. If Davies is back and if Chris Collingsworth is fully healthy, BYU and Gonzaga will be fighting it out for league title. However, Gonzaga will be more motivated and has a lot more to prove after the humilation of getting pounded by BYU in the NCAA Tournament.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    May 26, 2011 11:30 a.m.

    fourth seems a bit optomistic.

  • morningbreaks Aurora, CO
    May 26, 2011 11:41 a.m.

    hedgehog: I agree that fourth is very optimistic for the Utes in the PAC 12, but why do you bring that up when we're discussing BYU?

  • williary Kearns, UT
    May 26, 2011 11:56 a.m.

    What on Earth is the WCC?

  • IndianaCoug Bloomington, IN
    May 26, 2011 12:12 p.m.

    RE: Willary

    It's one of the many conferences that had multiple teams pound on the Utes last season. Next season they will have one more team to beat up on the lowly runnin' Utes.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    May 26, 2011 12:24 p.m.

    williary

    "What on Earth is the WCC?"

    It's the conference with teams U can't beat.

  • COUGARNATE Lyman, WY
    May 26, 2011 12:29 p.m.

    HH you know BYU will do better than 4th. The putes on the other hand will finish about 9th in the very overrated PAC 12.

  • Drewsky Provo, UT
    May 26, 2011 12:30 p.m.

    Wilner didn't even have BYU ranked most of the season last year. The guy has little clue what he is actually talking about.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    May 26, 2011 12:40 p.m.

    @IndianaCoug

    So you're saying there's a conference out there called the WCC? You'll have to give a little more info.

    And yeah, Utah's basketball team is awful. I'd say if measuring the success of your team or conference on beating Utah in basketball last year is all you're got, that's sad.

  • flynn is the coolest Salt Lake City, UT
    May 26, 2011 12:40 p.m.

    With a front court of Abouo, Carlino, Harrison, and Winder, we'll be just fine. Then we have post men in Hartsock, C. Collinsworth, and Davies. That put two of these guys on the bench, where we'll also have Stephen Rodgers- who has proved he can step up- even against Gonzaga. I'd say we're a shoe-in for WCC title #1.

  • MurrayMike Murray, UT
    May 26, 2011 12:45 p.m.

    @hedgehog;

    With or without Davies, we'll be either 1st or 2nd, write it down. Too many good recruits coming in.

    Utah's team (if you can call those 12 guys an actual team), will on the other hand, be lucky and I do mean lucky to win 6 or 7 conference games. My actual over & under is right at 5. By the way hedgehogger who's leaving next from the ute team, oh! that would be their coach next year when he goes 10-20. Have fun with your wins from teams like Denver College, Walla Walla and St. Mary's Women's Team.

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    May 26, 2011 1:01 p.m.

    Bring on the Runn'n uties. I am so excited to see how many of them run off to some other school between now and 6 months from now. It will be fun to see how many recruits they will loose due to their train wreck. Look for the football team to follow suit within the next two years when they can't beat the winning percentage of the bball team.

    Look for the Y to win the WCC for the forseeable future.

  • Skippy West Jordan, UT
    May 26, 2011 1:03 p.m.

    Did anyone read the part about jimmer? "Fredette's issue is defense. He doesn't play any. It's not just that he's garden variety bad; he's historically bad, according to a lot of scouts."
    I can't wait to see what happens in the future with Jimmer. I am sure he will make the best of anything that is given to him.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    May 26, 2011 1:21 p.m.

    IndianaCoug,

    "It's one of the many conferences that had multiple teams pound on....."

    You mean that conference that Gonzaga belongs to that obliterated BYU in baseball this year? That conference?

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    May 26, 2011 1:22 p.m.

    I am fine to be picked #4 - did they forget that Kyle Collinsworth won't be around for two years? We will see. It is a long way to go and football hasn't even started yet. They will second guess later.

  • Laser Iowa City, IA
    May 26, 2011 1:38 p.m.

    Who cares?! It's exciting to be part of a conference that embraces religious thought rather than fears it.

  • IndianaCoug Bloomington, IN
    May 26, 2011 1:46 p.m.

    Re: Dutchman

    Yes, Gonzaga is also in the WCC. You might have heard of them, they beat the #6 seeded St. John's in this years NCAA tournament before losing to the Cougars. They play in the tourney nearly every year.

    I'm not too sad about losing a single baseball game to them (we also beat them). Everyone loses a significant percentage of their games. I don't follow baseball but I think BYU's team is doing just as well as the Utes this season. Fortunately for me, the WCC isn't known for their baseball teams but their basketball teams (which, by the way, this article was about).

  • screenname Salt Lake City, UT
    May 26, 2011 2:05 p.m.

    Dutchman,

    So much for not cruising BYU's boards in an effort to work up its fans, eh? Sure, you're not a troll a lot of the time, but you definitely have troll-like tendencies. Just sayin'.

  • In Stitches Provo, Utah
    May 26, 2011 2:20 p.m.

    Duchman,

    Yesterday, you wrote to fresnogirl:

    "You must be referring to someone else. I rarely read articles that are solely devoted to BYU ...".

    Yep. We can all see how true THAT ONE is! Once again, she outclasses you in spades!

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    May 26, 2011 2:30 p.m.

    The only thing more ridiculous than thinking that a Dave Rose coached team will finish anything but first or second in the WCC is this San Jose writer doing basketball rankings in May.

  • Katiebugg Salt Lake City, UT
    May 26, 2011 2:38 p.m.

    Duchman,

    Let me guess ... You REALLY meant something totally different than how it reads and are just trying to "set the record straight." Whatever! (Eye roll). You owe fresnogirl an apology, but we all know you won't humble yourself enough to ever do that.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    May 26, 2011 2:49 p.m.

    BYU should be in the mix with Gonzaga and St. Mary's. Give them a season to jell and they should be good at the end.

    According to Hoopsworld, the Jazz are serious about drafting Jimmer. Anybody who bases their conception of Jimmer's defense on his BYU play is in error.

    Jimmer will adapt his game so that he is successful. Defense is not going to be a problem for Jimmer. He will defend better than DWill.

    Jimmer needs time to make the adjustment to NBA PG.

    I am just hoping the Jazz can get him at 12.

  • Target Provo, Utah
    May 26, 2011 2:49 p.m.

    @ Dutchman

    Is this you NOT reading and trolling a BYU article?

  • Bottom Line Draper, UT
    May 26, 2011 3:12 p.m.

    Good call on 4th place in a competitive league. I'll take it so that he can be proven wrong just like every other naysayer out there as they watch BYU repeatedly cut down the nets. The interesting comment is how the MWC is falling apart at the seams in hoops from a national perspective when really they only lost one basketball school(BYU of course) while also getting rid of the deadwood (Utah / TCU). It just goes to show you how adding BYU to a conference provides instant credibility.

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    May 26, 2011 3:32 p.m.

    @ Bottom Line

    "The interesting comment is how the MWC is falling apart at the seams in hoops from a national perspective when really they only lost one basketball school(BYU of course) while also getting rid of the deadwood (Utah / TCU)."

    How is it that when we talk football you and other Yners are quick to bring up the hollow 1984 NC, but when we talk about basketball you forget that Utah has a storied basketball program?

    When talking about a particular sport, be it football or basketball, let's talk about the whole history of the program or let's talk about recent history only. You sound foolish when you call the Utah basketball program deadwood. Sure, they've had some down years of late, but let's not forget about all the success in the past.

  • The Deuce Livermore, CA
    May 26, 2011 3:33 p.m.

    So this is what going independent is all about? Picked 4th in the WCC that has an average arena size of about 5000 seats. Now that is moving forward. Women's softball plays in one league, men's basketball plays in another, is this a club sports program or a major college program? Well, it all starts to take shape come September when we get to see if the Cougars can pull it off.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    May 26, 2011 3:40 p.m.

    Behind Santa Clara?!!! Best season ever to.... 4th in the WCC. OUCH!

    The question that should have been asked in the heading of this article is..

    Can the Cougs stand tall again? lol

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    May 26, 2011 3:45 p.m.

    H-hog:

    So where does your all-seeing eye predict the runnin' utes round ballers will finish in the PAC this year?? Any predictions on that?? Or are there still too many unknowns?

    @Skippy: And Jimmer lit you up for 49 - remember?

  • There's always room for Jello Salt Lake City, UT
    May 26, 2011 3:55 p.m.

    utahcountyute

    Anyone with "ute" in their handle, should probably hold off smack-talking about anybody else's basketball team!

  • Utes21 Salt Lake City, ut
    May 26, 2011 4:11 p.m.

    Who did these rankings? Who is first? How do they go from like third or fourth in the nation, to fourth in a never heard of conference?

  • The Deuce Livermore, CA
    May 26, 2011 4:32 p.m.

    To: Utes21 | 4:11 p.m. May 26, 2011 - Never heard of conference? That is what going independent is all about. The question that Cougar fans should be asking is why does the football program get to throw the rest of the sports programs under the bus when they don't finish on top of the league. Is this the tail wagging the dog?

  • Bottom Line Draper, UT
    May 26, 2011 4:32 p.m.

    Re Devilish Ute - Since I don't talk about the 84 championship, I won't change my comment about deadwood because that is the state of the team until it changes which time frame is TBD.

    The fact is that although BYU hasn't won a championship since 84 in football they are still very competitive with multiple top 20 finishes in the last several years. The storied Ute hoops program is nothing more than storied. Absolutely everything is past tense.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    May 26, 2011 5:09 p.m.

    @DevilUte
    Yes Utah had a great program in the past and I supported it. However, the Ute bball team is much worse than BYU's football team last year.

    The BYU football team seems to be turning the corner and rising rapidly. The Ute bball team is about as bad as ever and headed for stiffer competition.

    It will be a while before the Ute bball team recovers.

    The 84 championship is nice. It is far better to have one in 84 than none, but I am much more concerned about next fall.

    At least the Utes have the pride and money of the PAC. That is some compensation.

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 26, 2011 5:41 p.m.

    Fourth in a league where most gyms are smaller than many 5A high school gyms...priceless. For everything else there is Master Card!

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    May 26, 2011 6:04 p.m.

    Not trolling at all. As I told fresnogirl I have to be here from time to time to set the record straight as you seem to drift off course from time to time. And I did apologize to fresnogirl. Go over and check it out.

    Indiana Coug,

    Utah beat Gonzaga in basketball either last year (2009-2010) or the year before. So much for taking a pounding.

    Laser,

    "It's exciting to be part of a conference that embraces religious thought rather than fears it."

    You better get familiar with some of those Catholic Universities. They can be some of the most liberal schools on earth. Dare I say "Cal-Berkeley types".

  • Wldflwr Lehi, UT
    May 26, 2011 6:11 p.m.

    @JustGordon - I'm sure the utes wish they could play in a high school gym. That way it might look like at least a quarter of their fans showed.

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    May 26, 2011 6:24 p.m.

    Dutchman

    Thank you for your apology. I think we both got over-excited yesterday and responded too quickly to one another's comments. I don't mind any Ute fan being on BYU articles when they add to the conversation (as opposed to all the silly "My dad is bigger than your dad" talk).

    As for this particular article, I agree with UU32. As usual, he makes a good point.

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    May 26, 2011 6:39 p.m.

    What is a WCC?

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 26, 2011 7:06 p.m.

    No high school gyms in the PAC12...a national championship and more final 4, elite 8 and sweet sixteen appearances than the folks in Provo dream of...catty comments from the jealous!

  • IndianaCoug Bloomington, IN
    May 26, 2011 7:11 p.m.

    Re: Dutchman

    "Utah beat Gonzaga..."

    True, way back in 2008 you beat Gonzaga. However, since then the Utes from the mighty Pac12 are 0 for 7 against next years lowly WCC teams (you lost to USD (12/25/10), Portland (12/31/10), BYU four times (1/11/11; 2/12/11; 1/30/10; 3/3/10), and Pepperdine (12/23/09).

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    May 26, 2011 7:35 p.m.

    KamUte:

    A WCC is a conference on the West coast. A few teams in that conference pounded utah in the last couple of years. Remember now?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 26, 2011 7:46 p.m.

    JustGordon | 7:06 p.m. May 26, 2011
    Cottonwood Heights, UT
    ...a national championship

    Bwaaahaaahaaaaahaaaaaa........

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    May 26, 2011 7:47 p.m.

    Indiana Coug,

    Sorry, but you're spinning it. BYU is not yet a member of the WWC and your post referred to Utah taking a pounding from the teams in the WWC. BYU's victories over Utah came as a member of the MWC. You admitted that Utah beat the best team in the WWC in '08 so I will accept a record of 1 for 3. I don't know what your definition of pounding is but that doesn't seem to be a pounding to me.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    May 26, 2011 8:06 p.m.

    Jimmer raised eyebrows in the combine. TOLD YOU SO!

    No, I didn't expect him to come out on top in everything, but DOING SO in two of the important tests (combined) for PGs was a pleasant surprise.

    So, lots of naysayers had to bemoan Jimmer's lack of defense in college to backpedal on their dislike of him. They got Jimmered, and probably haven't realized it yet. His top-rated agility (combine stats) indicates he'll have no trouble being AT LEAST average for PGs in defense, which puts him ABOVE Nash. You wouldn't want Nash on your team, would you? Duh.

    Jimmer's stock will rise as he works out with the various teams. It'll be one of those "We don't think he's that good" in hopes of making him slide to their selection spot.

    I'd love to see the Jazz get him so I don't have to pay extra for the NBA package to follow his career.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    May 26, 2011 8:08 p.m.

    BYU will have no trouble finishing 1st or 2nd in the WCC this next year. Rose is too good of a coach for it to be any other way, especially with the balance of new and returning talent he'll have to work with. Hopefully enough to make up for the loss of Jimmer's scoring.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    May 26, 2011 8:08 p.m.

    Picking BYU #4 is probably about right without Davies, but the article pointed out that BYU will challenge for the title if Davies is back.

    I believe Davies will be back, and the Cougs will challenge the Zags for Top Dog. I also believe the WCC will have 3 teams in the big dance, which will be more than the MWC and the same as the PAC12.

    WCC will prove to be superior to the MWC in basketball in the coming years.

    Does anybody know if San Diego plays Utah this year?

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    May 26, 2011 8:32 p.m.

    I'm fine with being under rated. Works for me and I'll get to watch every game on ESPN or BYUtv.

    What channel are the Utes on? Who's leaving the team this week? Did they just fire their coach? Get the drift?

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    May 26, 2011 9:56 p.m.

    Im not putting much stock into basketball predictions in May. BYU has plenty of young talent coming into the fold and Davies will likely be back as well. Coach Rose will have them ready to go and they will be just fine in the WCC.

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    May 26, 2011 10:24 p.m.

    @Dutchman

    "I have to be on here from time to time to set the record straight as you seem to drift off course from time to time".

    Wow, what a guy! How can we ever repay you for this great service you provide for all of us?

  • Honor Code Denver, Colorado
    May 26, 2011 11:00 p.m.

    Sorry Cougar fans, but I found this article to be funny!!! What's the WCC?

  • Big Pappy west jordan, utah
    May 26, 2011 11:04 p.m.

    4th? Sounds about right...NOT. I like the Cougars chances next year. Gonzaga will be tough again. Their program is AWSOME. The Cougars will be better than expected. I like the ZAGs and the Cougars to finish 1-2 or 2-1. It will be a fun year.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    May 27, 2011 12:33 a.m.

    Considering what they've lost and how early this article was written, putting BYU 4th should not come as a big shocker.

    I, for one, credit the WCC for being a solid mid-major conference. No question they get a lot for adding BYU.

    However....

    I guess if you are a cougar from Indiana, Pepperdine was a school in the WCC in 2009 but not this past season, when the Utes beat them by 7. Gotta love selective "facts." They make your "one-liners" so much more zippy than the actual truth.

    IC, since you are good with "facts," try googling Utah's alltime win percentage vs WCC teams not named BYU.

  • OU812 Layton, UT
    May 27, 2011 1:03 a.m.

    Don't forget St Mary's, the team that took BYUs all time best to double OT before BYU pulled it out. I don't think it will be as easy as many of the blue Kool Aide drinkers think.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    May 27, 2011 4:38 a.m.

    The Deuce...hmmm that's the name of the bus that takes people downtown to the "The Strip" in Las Vegas. BYU is a program that builds conferences so those 5,000 seat facilities so overly pointed out will always be packed to the point that they will have to move games to larger venues or expand them...but regardless... the point is to be able to fill them...something that Utah just can't seem to accomplish any more... and more than likely, will probably not be able to come close to doing again anytime soon.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    May 27, 2011 8:17 a.m.

    @ Where's Stockton;

    I disagree. I am neither a Ute or Cougar fan per se, but I believe Utah's home attendance will increase a lot this year, for the same reason every building in the NBA sells out when the Lakers come to town - the fans are desperate to see a good team for a change. So if Oregon or USC or UCLA come to Utah to play, their arena will automatically sell more tickets.

  • screenname Salt Lake City, UT
    May 27, 2011 8:34 a.m.

    VegasUte,

    One more time, let me lay out the (substantial) difference. If, at the start of a football game, I yell at you, "I'm gonna kick your trash in this game!" that would rightfully be considered arrogance. If I held a press conference before the game to tell my fans that my goal is to win this game, that's not arrogance. It's just stating my goal. And there is also a substantial difference between a goal and a destination.

    And before you spout out again, I understand that Utah accomplished that goal. I applaud them for it. Both teams had the same goal. Only one team accomplished that goal. It's not hubris to state what that goal was.

  • CG Orem, UT
    May 27, 2011 10:15 a.m.

    OU812

    "I don't think it will be as easy as many of the blue Kool Aide drinkers think."

    As Utah so clearly demonstrated this past season, even the cellar dwellers of the WCC are more than the Utes can handle.

  • Julianne North Salt Lake, UT
    May 27, 2011 10:25 a.m.

    The WCC coaches and writers don't have any respect for BYU. I knew that they would cut BYU down because of BYU not having Jimmer. I just want the WCC coaches and writers to know that BYU is better than 4th place and they will prove that the coaches and writers are wrong. GO COUGARS!!!

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    May 27, 2011 10:25 a.m.

    What is the difference between the WCC and the WCAC?

  • ET Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    May 27, 2011 10:48 a.m.

    5000 seats would more than accommodate the ute bb faithful for the forseeable future!

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    May 27, 2011 4:45 p.m.

    "What is the difference between the WCC and the WCAC?"

    an A

  • JayDee West Jordan, UT
    May 27, 2011 10:09 p.m.

    Most of the trolls with red glasses have short-term memory loss--especially after this past BBall season. Unbelievable that they try to smack talk Y hoops at this point in time.

    To understand their perspective, just remember this gem from utahcountyute last February: "BYU basketball and Jimmer Fredette are not nationally relevant."

    I truly believe they think if they say something enough, and wish for it enough, it just must be true (all evidence to the contrary).

    Good luck in the off season. Can't wait to see Davies, Hartsock, and the elder Collinsworth work their magic underneath next year. Best wishes to Coach Rose, Coach Pope, and the rest of the staff and players on their new adventure in the West Coast Conference.

    Just keep proving the naysayers (majority of the media and the red sweater wearers) wrong as you have been. Go Cougars!

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    May 28, 2011 9:07 a.m.

    2011-12 could be Dave Rose's worst team since his first year, but BYU will still finish with 25+ wins and play in their 6th straight NCAA tournament.

    The hill naysayers are simply jealous that a down, rebuilding year for BYU will exceed Utah's wildest expectations for 2011-12.

    Some writers are already predicting that the WCC with BYU will be better than the MWC and nearly as good as the PAC 12.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    May 28, 2011 8:11 p.m.

    re: hedgehog | 4:45 p.m. May 27, 2011

    Wouldn't that leave a hole where the A is?

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    May 28, 2011 8:15 p.m.

    re: Laser | 1:38 p.m. May 26, 2011

    Isn't religious thought an oxymoron? Thought implies some degree of rationality... the antithesis of faith.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    May 28, 2011 10:41 p.m.

    morningbreaks: I loved your come-back to Hedgie. It was classic! Never had such a good laugh for awhile.

  • CaliCougar Claremont, California
    May 29, 2011 11:22 p.m.

    With Brandon Davies BYU wins the WCC...without Brandon BYU finishes second, possibly first. While BYU's team this coming season may not be as good overall as this past season (time will tell), it will still be good enough to win 25+ games and make the NCAA tourney. I'm looking forward to it! Go Cougs!