If the Democrats want more voice in Utah State government they are going to need
to reconsider their stand on abortions and Obamacare, and they are going to need
to start supporting our right to own and bear firearms.
Anytime any political party becomes too dominant, it's corrupted with that
power. History has shown that the extremists of either end get in control and
bad things happen. No political party has all the answers. Strong, two party
systems force people to think about many sides of an issue. I hope to see one
party dominance in Utah end before my lifetime, and a return to centrist,
"let's include all ideas, before we decide" political thinking.
I'm sure Mr. Matheson would like to see some balance. But of course the voters
obviously don't like the balance his party is offering. The republicans around
here are big enough spenders so I really can't see myself voting in some even
bigger spenders to to acheive some sort of "balance". I
also can't see myself voting for abortions, stricter gun laws, amnesty for
illegal aliens, gay marriage, more social programs, and all of the other stuff
the dems stand for.Mr. Matheson can whine about it all he wants but
the majority of the people around here don't want much of anything he's
offering. With good reason.
I guess the Democrats want a two party system like California, Detroit, Chicago,
Democrats in this state and the nation just don't get it. People would vote for
you if they felt you were representing their principles.There is
absolutely no logical reason to vote for a different party just because someone
is whining that they don't have enough representation. I thought we were always
told on these pages that elections matter -- we won!I'm sure that
the Utah DC is concerned about the imbalance in Hawaii, VT, MA, IL, OR and all
the other liberal strongholds throughout the nation. If you have
principles that I agree with, I'll vote for you. If you don't, I won't. Can't make it any simpler than that for you.
To folks from Salt Lake County denigrating the Democrats- the two counties are
worlds apart.In SLC, the Dems have some people who would fit in with
the Dems in San Francisco right alongside Pelosi&Co. In contrast, most Utah
County Democratic candidates in the past few years have been BYU professors who
are strong members of the LDS Church and moral conservatives.These
folks run as Democrats because they recognize that the one-party dominance here
has resulted in widespread corruption, extremism, and a total failure of
"representative" government to represent its constituency. All kinds
of things about the Repub. leadership down here don't pass the smell test, and
the lengths people go to trying to "out-conservative" one another
would be hilarious if they weren't squarely blocking good governance.Go ahead and check the Utah County Democratic Party's platform on their
webpage. With a couple of minor exceptions, it's a statement of reasoned
conservatism that would serve admirably as a Republican platform anywhere else
in the nation. Though the national Democratic party has been hijacked by moral
libertines in recent decades the county party doesn't follow their lead.
Mr. Matheson is delusional if he thinks that the problem is with the voters.
The voters clearly reject the Utah Democrat policies every election. It's their
message and policies, not the voters which are flawed.What needs to
change is the Utah Democrat party. Stop mirroring the leftward drifting
national Democrats, who are nearly out in socialist territory (with a rabid few
Marxists even further). Perhaps if Utah Democrats moved closer to the positions
of Mayor Peter Corroon than disgraced ex-mayor Rocky Anderson they would win a
lot more votes. Recall the policies of John F. Kennedy, "Scoop"
Jackson, or even Joe Lieberman, not Obama, Clinton and Pelosi.All
Democrats need to realize that bigger government, higher taxes, more spending
and restrictions on freedom neither generate prosperity nor advance people into
better lives. Until and unless the Democrats are a more
conservative option than the Republicans, I will never vote for a single
Funny I didn't hear any from the Utah democratic party make a statement that
they needed more balance when the US gov't had the president, house and senate.
Look what they did to that situation. We are in a mess! Do I smell a wolf in
sheeps clothing? I think I do. I vote for the conservatives because that is what
I beleive in. I am not misled. Those that are misled are the ones that say that
we need better balance by the party that have our country in jeopardy.
Well, the Utah Democrats are just about to be increased by two solid lefties, as
Mike from Texas and his bride of 45 years are about to return home. For those
that have seen my comments, my DN moniker will have to change. Maybe Mike from
Cedar City or something like that.And, oh yes, Utah needs more
voices from the other side of the political sprectrum. You know, some who do
not get all their news and views from Fox, and think that Beck is some sort of a
demi-god of righteous polical thinking.But as I have watched Utah
Democrats, it seems that they are often to much involved with trying to out
Republican the Republicans. And, that is why Utah is a one party state.
Mr. Matheson is right on. Voters in Utah, after decades of indoctrination,
think by default that they are in line with the GOP's values, but time after
time when voters are asked about specific issues, it turns out that they are
more resonant with Democrats.The Republicans wanted school vouchers.
Voters didn't want that.The Republicans wanted HB 477. Voters didn't want
that.The Republicans want to get rid of Medicare. Voters don't want
that.The Republicans want to get rid of Social Security. Voters don't want
that.The Republicans want to force women to bear children that result from
rape. Voters don't want that.The Republicans want to repeal the 14th
Amendment. Voters don't want that.The Republicans want to repeal the 17th
Amendment. Voters don't want that.The Republicans oppose the Utah Compact.
The voters support it.The list goes on and on and on. The
Republicans are extremists in Utah. The voters are moderate. The Democratic
party in Utah (and especially in Utah County) is extremely moderate. They're
just lousy at getting their message through after decades of Skousen-inspired
the statement was made that such imbalance does not represent the people. my
question is. when has it ever represented the people ? oh I know that one. were
still waiting for that to actually happen for the first time .
@Prodicus: So the Democrats in Utah County are Republican light? I think I
will vote for the real thing.@MormonDem: God gave us
choice on everything including school. Democrats took it away.God forbids
adultery: Democrats call it "Reproductive Freedom"God forbids
homosexual behavior: Democrats openly support it.Satan wanted to force us
to "Keep the Commandments": Democrats are forcing us to keep THEIR
commandments.God said that I should give to the poor. He did not say that
the government should force my neighbor to give to the poor.The
Constitution is ordained of God. Democrats don't like the written constitution
so they invented something called a "Living Constitution" which is not
constitution at all.The difference between freedom and a
dictatorship is who makes the decisions.Obama dictates: who
the CEO of GM is. that we will have health insurance. what that
insurance will cover. executive compensation on Wall Street what
light bulbs and toilets we use. that there will be no drilling in the gulf
(against court orders) that 800 Chrysler dealerships will close.Obama dictates and dictates and dictates.And they wonder why
people don't support them?
The Republicans see the Constitution as a private property rights document and
the Democrats see it more as a human rights document. The Republicans want to
see students loans go through the private banks so that banks make money. The
Democrats want to bypass the banks so that the money goes directly to
students.Republicans want to see Medicare money go through insurance
companies so that they can make money. Democrats want the money going directly
to health care providers. Democrats want to see health care available to all who
need it. Republicans see it as too expensive and requiring taxes. The more money
one makes the more they dislike taxes. The more money one makes the more likely
he is to be or become a Republican.
I live in Washington state.We have one party rule here, all
Democrat. Funny, the Democrats are not calling for an end to one party rule
here. If the situation were reversed in Utah the Democrats would be strangely
I don't live in Utah, but the problem I have with Democrats is that I prefer to
distribute my own wealth (such as it is) rather than having the government do it
for me by force. Its called freedom!
Re: MormonDem | 2:21 a.m. May 8, 2011 Obviously you've explained why
Herbert beat Corroon in the last gubernatorial race 64.2% to 31.8%. It would
appear that the GOP must have done something the voters liked.Corroon didn't even carry Salt lake County ..... and he is their mayor.
I am shocked that Chairman Matheson would so openly reveal his anti-democratic
leanings. Of course the large Republican majority "represent(s) the
people". They were elected by the people to represent them. If the Dems
truly think there needs to be balance, they need to develop policies, platforms
and positions that appeal to more people than do their current ones. Then, they
might see their numbers grow. Perhaps. Utah is a right-center state in a
center-right country. Dems nationally are quite left of center, and Dems in
Utah (especially the SLC Dems) are barely center-left. The unfortunate thing
for the Dems is that if they were to actually take that advise, they probably
end up worse of as they would lose their base and be seen as merely Republican
@Mormon Dem--right on! Thanks for bringing facts to the conversation instead of
a bunch of mindless diatribe. If you ask many of the voters in Utah what they
believe in, they would find out they are more in line with the moderate
democratic side instead of the republican party of Utah--a wholly-owned
subsidiary of the corporations.@FDRfan: You also bring up many good
points. Notice how the national GOP (along with Utah's reps) doesn't want to
turn down oil subsidies when the oil industries are turning in record profits,
and how they want less regulation even after Wall Street almost brought down the
world economy.@Mountanmann: Let me very respectfully disagree with
you. No one below your economic class is getting your money. The U.S. is right
by the Ivory Coast and Uganda when it comes to income disparity. The trickle
down economics has not worked--corporations have hoarded money and sent jobs
overseas for what is almost slave labor. The Prince John economic philosophy of
the GOP has hurt this nation greatly. There are no more Dwight Eisenhowers in
the GOP. The GOP only looks at people in terms of money!
Giving the Republicans their free shots but censoring appropriate comments from
the other side, Deseret News. Again, anyone who thinks the GOP and the church
are separate in Utah is naive or deceptive. I've been challenged too many times
that I can't be a good member of the church and a Democrat, and I've too many
years experience in the political arena to know that culturally, there is no
distinction in the minds of most Utahns. I challenge the statement in your
article, but the Deseret News doesn't seem to like it. You are indeed the
mouthpiece of the Republican Party.
Re: Wildcat | 10:19 a.m. May 8, 2011 What are the Utah
"moderate democratic side" platform planks on abortion, the 2nd
Amendment, deficit spending, and dependence on foreign oil? Are Utah Democrats
for or against them?Some may consider these issues to be
"mindless diatribe" but to conservative voters in Utah County I can
assure you they are core values. I'd suggest that voters know what they want,
and realize that Obama isn't taking them in that direction.
@Rifleman: So you want the government heavily involved in the lives of
women--really nice--especially on Mother's Day. I personally think abortion
should only be involved in cases of rape, incest, and health of the mother and
baby, but who am I to tell women what to do with their bodies. I trust them
enough to make their own decisions. The GOP house has proposed no jobs bills.
This abortion issue is usually just used as a wedge issue to anger the base and
get the topic off of more important matters.As for the second
amendment, have you seen a democratic controlled senate or the president try to
bring up any legislation to restrict gun rights--even after the Giffords
shooting? The government has made some cuts in spending, but there
is also a revenue problem. It was the Clinton tax rates that balanced the
budget--time for corporations and the wealthy to pay their fair share.The GOP makes sure we are dependent on foreign oil. The green energy and
alternative energy has been stopped by them for years. Drill baby drill will
not lower prices. Typical distraction tactics: Guns, God, and Gays.
It's strange to see that no one seems to object to the one party rule in Salt
Lake City. Salt Lake City does not have one Republican Representative or Senator
in the Utah State Legislature. All the City Offices are also similarly
I don't live in Utah but some of my children and grandchildren do so I would
like to give Rifleman an answer. Most Democrats support gun rights but see
wisdom in some checks. Most Democrats support abortion restrictions but do
accept them in cases of incest, rape or when the mother's life is at stake.
Check your Republican platform on this issue. Most Democrats want the US weaned
from dependence on foreign oil. The Republicans are merely puppets of the Koch
Brother, Exxon and their ilk. Democrats are more aligned with T Boone Pickens.
Republicans have selected amnesia on deficits. When Carter was President it was
a big campaign issue but when Reagan was elected it was not important. Cutting
our deficits are a shared responsibility but must begin with expiration of many
of the Bush tax cuts. The government option in health care will increase health
care and do away with Medicaid really saving money. But the insurance companies
may see less profit and may be less able to fund Republican campaigns.
Rifleman: why not take my advice and check the county party's platform? It's
easy enough to find. I can't post the URL, of course.on abortion:"As Utah County Democrats we believe in the sanctity of human life and
that there should be a balance between the rights of the woman and her unborn
child. We believe that every abortion is a tragedy. We oppose elective abortion
for personal or social convenience, and believe that abortion should be limited
to instances of pregnancy resulting from rape or incest, or in cases of fatal
fetal deformities, or when competent medical authority determines that there is
a serious threat to the life or health of the mother. We again recognize those
who hold differing views on this issue and seek to resolve our differences in a
spirit of respectful cooperation."firearms:"As Utah
County Democrats we stand for the Constitutional right of citizens to possess
firearms for sporting purposes and for lawfully defending their families and
property. We also support the enforcement of existing gun laws, educating
citizens on the responsible use and storage of firearms, and common sense
measures to reduce gun violence and enhance public safety."
The bottom layers of the church seem to have a problem with voting democratic
despite the best efforts of the top leadership telling us it's perfectly
fine.The history goes way back. The church message has been hijacked
when it comes to politics.
The abortion issue is like a political party stating which bubblegum they
support. Abortion is legal. The absence of law prohibiting it. A libertarian
expression in women's rights. Unless you change the constitution it
will still be legal no matter who you vote for.
Re: Wildcat | 12:32 p.m. May 8, 2011 The voters in Utah County
understand that DNA proves unborn babies are unique and separate individuals
from their mothers that they depend on for their lives. All Democrats give lip
service to right to life by expressing their "personal opinions" but
apparently the voters in question aren't buying it.An no, it isn't
the Republicans who are blocking development of vast reserves of oil on US soil.
@ScrewdriverYes, abortion is legal. In Utah we have respect for
life and that is one of the reasons why the Democratic party will remain the
minority political party in Utah and in Utah County specifically.
The real issue with our system here in Utah is that a majority of our citizens
do not understand our election process. Those who understand the caucus system
continue to manipulate it to stack the local precincts with like-minded
representatives and select extremist candidates who's views do not represent the
majority of Utah citizens. When election day comes the average citizen doesn't
identify with the candidate, feels disenfranchised, and avoids the polls all
together. The republican party has done a great job at managing the process,
stacking the deck, and getting their candidates elected by a relatively small
number of registered voters. Until the majority of Utah citizens register to
vote, work within the caucus system to gain representation, and then show up at
the polls the rest of us will continue to fight against what appears to be a
corrupt and closed system.
@ReasonI think our citizens here in Utah, and in Utah County are
generally educated as to our election process. We don't consider protection for
unborn babies to be extremist, believe in the US Constitution as it was intended
by our Founding Fathers, and think it is appropriate to erect roadside crosses
to honor fallen highway patrol officers.If the shoes don't fit in
Utah County the majority just won't wear them.