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Utah Senate to reconvene Saturday for override of workweek bill

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  • Lowonoil Clearfield, UT
    May 6, 2011 8:42 a.m.

    Who are these so called representatives representing? Time and again they have overwhelmingly, and often sneakily, pushed policy that is strongly opposed by the people they presumably represent.
    The theme of the next election should be "Did your incumbent representative actually represent you?"

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    May 6, 2011 8:57 a.m.

    None of the elected officials actually listen to the people anymore. They're either in the pockets of the church, UDOT or big business. All they want to do is raise taxes raise taxes raise taxes. There is plenty of money to go around as it is, it just needs to be used intelligently instead of squandered on idiotic projects that take years to complete and may never pay off.

    They spend their time debating immigration and alcohol sales when they should be working on ways to attract new business to the state, create jobs and increase funding to education.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    May 6, 2011 9:08 a.m.

    I, for one, am hoping the 4-day work week gets tossed. Wouldn't it be poetic justice for the overriding of the Governor's veto to occur on a Friday? Justice served!!!

  • Bearone Monroe, UT
    May 6, 2011 9:17 a.m.

    Egos at work!!! That is the only explanation for the attempt to override the vetos.

    I think it is time that we get rid of the egos in our legislature and put in some regular citizens with a lot more common sense than what our present politicians have.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    May 6, 2011 9:31 a.m.

    where is the over-ride of HB 116? Its been defeated in every caucus.....time to throw every incumbant out who voted for hb 116!

  • gizmo33 St. George, Utah
    May 6, 2011 9:49 a.m.

    lets hear it for the 5 day work week yippppppieeeeeee ! everybody else has to work 5 days a week

  • mkSdd3 Ogden, UT
    May 6, 2011 10:08 a.m.

    I am glad that both of these vetoes have been overridden. I think government services should be available even of Fridays.

    I am very glad to see that funds will be earmarked for road construction. Our roads are in very bad disrepair, and I am tiered of the powerful teachers union garbing all the money that is coming in.

    These representatives are representing the majority of the people in these 2 cases. Now We will start to hear from a very vocal minority about the poor decisions of our legislature.

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    May 6, 2011 10:38 a.m.

    So much for progress. Guess I can kiss the less stressful friday commute goodbye.

    I hope everyone remembers this vote when we have Code Red air quality days this summer.

  • Lowonoil Clearfield, UT
    May 6, 2011 10:47 a.m.

    We will remember this vote in the costly gas future when we are staring out the windows of our crowded buses at the vast, mostly vacant freeways thinking about all the useful things we could have done with that money.

    But mostly I hope we remember it the next time we see our incumbent representative's name on the ballot.

  • Orem Parent Orem, UT
    May 6, 2011 10:54 a.m.

    Time for a lawsuit.

    I guarantee we will see one on the funding bill.

  • pburt Logan, UT
    May 6, 2011 10:59 a.m.

    Very, very disappointing. Do they think we aren't watching?

  • JCH San Diego, CA
    May 6, 2011 11:01 a.m.

    mkSdd3: "I am very glad to see that funds will be earmarked for road construction. Our roads are in very bad disrepair, and I am tiered of the powerful teachers union garbing [sic] all the money that is coming in."

    Glad, huh? Don't want the powerful teachers union garbing all the money?

    Final question: What gives you the confidence that in 5, 10, 20 years, Utahns will be using roads the same way they do now?

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    May 6, 2011 11:02 a.m.

    @mdSdd3

    ..."I am tiered of the powerful teachers union garbing all the money that is coming in."

    How exactly does the powerful teacher's union garb up money? What agency pays the teacher's union?

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 6, 2011 11:02 a.m.

    It is a proven fact that given the same amount of hours more work will be accomplished in a 5 day work week than in a 4 day work week.

    There are a lot of workers in the private sector that work 10-hours days ...... 5 days a week, and they will applaud our legislators when it comes time to vote again.

  • ThatsSoUtah Washington, UT
    May 6, 2011 11:08 a.m.

    @gizmo33
    Yeah, thank goodness they have to work 8 hours a day 5 days a week instead of the 4 10 hour days they had been working. Thank goodness that instead of being able to make it to government places before or after work, you'll have to take time off work to go to those places instead.

    Thank Goodness!

  • FieryDarts Kaysville, Utah
    May 6, 2011 11:11 a.m.

    The legislature can't override HB 116 because they already voted to approve it, and the governor signed it. There was no veto, therefore no override.

    Now if HB 116 gets repealed and the governor vetoes that, then the legislature could override that veto and do away with the law.

    (I wouldn't worry about that too much if I were you. HB 116 requires federal cooperation including a change in immigration rules, and the federal government has been unwilling to accept state-level immigration reform of any sort. Even if it went into effect, it would effectively be a way of registering illegal immigrants without giving them a real path to legitimacy, so many immigrants would be understandably reluctant to participate.)

  • dale richards Green River, Utah
    May 6, 2011 11:13 a.m.

    If the four day school week couldn't work for rural Utah; then why do they think it work for the rest of the state agencies.

  • FieryDarts Kaysville, Utah
    May 6, 2011 11:15 a.m.

    The governor was quite right to veto the road funding bill. By vetoing it, he's not preventing the money from being used for road building or repair, but he's leaving the option open to spend it on other things if the need is greater. Do we really think that we know best right now where the needs will be so many years in the future?

  • cval Hyde Park, UT
    May 6, 2011 11:45 a.m.

    This is a real black eye for Utah... Screams EXTREMISM in the legislature.

  • sodiedog Salt Lake City, UT
    May 6, 2011 12:25 p.m.

    So which losing bidder will get the first $13 million check from this new UDOT revenue source?

  • MenaceToSociety Draper, UT
    May 6, 2011 12:37 p.m.

    4 day work weeks are generally a complete scam. Most people I've worked with over the years who go to a 4 day work week fudge their hours and do not come close to working 40 hour weeks. They start counting their lunch as time worked. Then they start going to breakfast and count that as time worked. When they are in the office early in the morning before management arrives, they do no work. They hang out, talk, read the internet, everything but work. Sometimes I wonder if they start counting their commute as time worked. I've seen it at several companies. The company ends up paying these people for a 40 hour week when they're probably working closer to 30 - 35 hours per week... or less.

    4 day work weeks are generally a scam. Get rid of them.

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    May 6, 2011 1:27 p.m.

    @Rifleman:

    Got any proof to back that up? Cite me one source.

    @MenaceToSociety:

    That is true of pretty much every company in the US, whether they work 4 days or 7. The first and last hour of each workday is lost to people fooling around... starting up in the morning or getting ready to leave in the evening. Which, in a 5-day workweek, is 10 hours. In a 4-day workweek only 8 hours are lost, which means 2 more hours of actual work are done. I don't know anyone that works all 40 hours of the 40 hour week.

    Plus, employees come in less stressed and more rested on Monday because of the 3-day weekend, AND having Friday off gives them one more day to go out and spend money which boosts the local economy. Also, they don't have to take as much time off for appointments and the like, because they can be scheduled on Friday.

    I wish more companies would go to a 4-10 week. It doesn't have to be Friday off, it could be Monday off, it could be any day.

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    May 6, 2011 1:30 p.m.

    Though I do find it funny that they couldn't muster enough votes to overturn the 4 day workweek bill ON A FRIDAY.

    Guess a lot of people took today off.

    Hmm...

  • Trueman Draper, Utah
    May 6, 2011 1:43 p.m.

    Gee, I am glad all these government workers who have commented here today, had today off. I have an excuse, I'm retired after working 55 years to help pay for all the government employees that can now arrive late in the morning, leave early, and call it a four day week. At least they have voice mail, if they will ever call you back. America, death by a million paper cuts.

  • open minded Lehi, UT
    May 6, 2011 2:19 p.m.

    Looks like our legislators are serious about "Starving the Beast" of public education. Why do politicians in the state with the highest rate of children want to attack the thing that educates 97% of our children (both traditional public schools and charter schools)? Do they really hate our children that much?

  • Quayle Dallas, TX
    May 6, 2011 2:54 p.m.

    These staunch conservatives all want limited government, but they want limited government 5 days a week, not 4!

  • Instereo Eureka, UT
    May 6, 2011 4:20 p.m.

    So the legislature is going to work on Saturday at a cost of $10,000 to the taxpayers so they can show the governor who's boss. I wonder if they are really representing the will of the people but I guess it doesn't matter because we are a compound constitutional republic not a democracy and the people don't really matter.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    May 6, 2011 4:46 p.m.

    It's good to know that our legislature can sneak things in so they can make sure their constituents have no time to comment. Had I known my sneaky Representative was going to sneak the 4-day workweek bill in, I might have had a chance to send a comment one way or another. I guess he knows more than the people he represents.

  • Pro Education Vernal, UT
    May 6, 2011 6:29 p.m.

    Isn't it interesting the House Leader Lockhart suggests that they do not answer to the executive branch, but they want the executive branch to run public education -- so they can work better to accomplish "reform"? I challenge you to read the new book - "The Mormon Rebellion - America's First Civil War - 1857-1858" by David Bigler and Will Bagley -- then you might understand the workings of our legislature who serves the "compound constitutional republic" that is not a democracy.

  • PDonty Tooele, UT
    May 6, 2011 10:16 p.m.

    From the comments it doesn't sound like anyone cares about the convenience of the 5 day work week versus the 4 day work week, they just want to stick it to those lazy state workers.

    Nevermind the fact that most state workers worked 4 tens prior to the change, and will continue to do so after the change. It's not sticking it to anyone, just making people stagger their shifts a little. Well, that and increasing air pollution, road congestion, and state utility bills. But let's stick it to those lazy state workers.

  • My2Cents Kearns, UT
    May 7, 2011 3:55 a.m.

    For the sake of real government this is the first year in many decades that an override session has really tackled so many bills, right of wrong I can't say on many of them.

    The one that really gets in my craw is earmarking 1/3rd of taxes for years of to UDOT or any other single state agency, it denies other areas of government their due right to available tax funds. We have seen and witness the corruption and graft in UDOT and to designate this kind of government as one of need is pure idiocy. Utah has a higher priority in government than building new roads instead of repairing existing roads which is what Utah really needs. Building buddy roads for friends that go nowhere is criminal and wasteful to Utah's road repair needs.

    What would help Utah's budget fund shortages would be to increase funds to the state tax commission to go after criminal business that are committing tax fraud and not paying their taxes. Recovering hundreds of millions of dollars lost taxes would offset and make available untold millions to the state budget.

  • Sinder Stansbury Park, Ut
    May 7, 2011 1:55 p.m.

    I don't understand why people hate the four day work week. Is it just jealousy? People go on about how their taxes pay those salaries and seem to want to establish a employer employee hierarchy yet at the same time want to be the boss that everyone hates. If they're our employees don't we want to make them happy? Wouldn't it serve our own best interest in keeping higher job satisfaction and lower turnover rates?

    A four day work week is able to accommodate more people's schedules so people typically don't have to take time off of their own jobs, and it gives our 'employees' a 3 day weekend.

    How about starting to think with the mindset of "How would I like my boss to treat me?" instead of how can we make their lives more miserable.

  • casual observer Salt Lake City, UT
    May 7, 2011 2:00 p.m.

    FieryDarts and others have been reading too many conspiracy theory stories. This is nothing more than democracy at work (and play). Thanks Gov for standing in there.

  • Red Smith American Fork, UT
    May 8, 2011 8:25 a.m.

    If State employees are not going to work a full 5 day week, why should anyone else?

  • brdahoff Lindon, UT
    May 8, 2011 8:27 a.m.

    I am incredibly disappointed with our "representation" in this case. They called a special session to push through legislation that has a negative effect on the working taxpayer. They have wasted taxpayer money in calling this session and have further wasted our money in overriding this veto.
    Credible research shows that the 4-day workweek was positive, progressive and cost efficient; three words that Utah legislators care little about. Public opinion polls show over 75% of Utahns in favor of the 4-day week, but rather than serve the public interest they served only their own.
    The only winners here today are the lazy, the jobless and the procrastinator. Working Utahs now have less access to State agencies as we are once again on the same work schedule.
    Not sure what they hoped to accomplish here, but if they were trying to serve the interests of those who voted them into office they have failed in a spectacular fashion this day.

  • Voice of Reason Layton, UT
    May 9, 2011 8:08 a.m.

    "We have a number of constituents who have been frustrated and inconvenienced and have been reminded multiple times how business unfriendly this is."

    Senator, please define "number of constituents" - 1? 2? Maybe even 3? Sen. Dayton, you have a "number of constituents" who also believe that we should arrest Pres. Bush for war crimes...if they beat down your door and made lots of noise would you cave to them too? Even if the overwhelming majority disagreed with them?

    The truth is, 67-75% of Utahns - depending on your poll - wanted to keep the 4/10 schedule. By that most relevant standard, our legislators clearly went against the public's wishes. So, since we know that their desire to "serve the public" by going back to a 5x8 workweek is obviously not the true reason, as a voter I really want to know what the real reason was. 4x10 saved money. State employees wanted it. The public supported it. So was it a "constituent with campaign $$$" who didn't like it, or was this a simple power play against the governor at the people's expense?