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Wolves removed from endangered list in Utah, other Western states

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  • Cedarite Cedar City, UT
    May 4, 2011 2:04 p.m.

    And Chris Buttars is a hot air and gaffe machine, is a hot air and gaffe machine, is a hot air and gaffe machine.

  • Silence Dogood Caliente, NV
    May 4, 2011 2:25 p.m.

    Now we need to hunt them to extinction. That is one animal we'd be better off without. They are dangerous, they do significant damage, and they are incompatible with humans, wildlife, and domestic animals. It was a completely stupid move to ever "reinstate" them in the first place.

  • attentive Salt Lake City, UT
    May 4, 2011 2:29 p.m.

    This is all about hand holding with beef growers who know darned well that wolves are not attacking their cattle. They just want free and total run of all BLM land. Land that I pay taxes for and cannot use because I don't run livestock.

  • Erich Lake Oswego, OR
    May 4, 2011 3:04 p.m.

    Funny how Wyoming excluded from the list once again. Is it because they have the correct wolf management program?

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 4, 2011 3:09 p.m.

    There was a time when the government paid a bounty on wolves. Apparently we didn't learn from our past experience with animals.

    Am I supposed to believe they won't kill sheep and elk?

  • Belching Cow Sandy, UT
    May 4, 2011 3:14 p.m.

    @attentive
    You can use BLM land for camping, hiking and stuff like that. Didn't you know that?

    How do you know wolves are not attacking their cattle? Wolves do kill calves and can make quite a dent in the calf crop. Even coyotes kill calves on occasion. Why would ranchers just make up stories about wolves if they didn't harm their livelihood?

  • runwasatch Ogden, UT
    May 4, 2011 3:23 p.m.

    @Silence Dogood:

    Please provide proof of your statements.

    The historical record will show that the Wolves lived just fine with native americans and other indigineous peoples... so the human incompatibility statement is false.

    The record will also show that there is no documented human death from a wolf attack...so you're off base again.

    The wolves only hunt to eat and didn't move to where the beef is...the beef is delivered to their doorstep...seems the humans are the problem.

    There are more wild animals - deer, elk, etc. - killed annually in the Western US by human hunters (who kill the biggest and strongest for a wall mount) than by wolves (who kill the weak and diseased making the herd stronger).

    Even more killed by cars and trucks.

    More damage is done to the environment by you and your buddy's ATVs, trucks, and be the cattle themselves than the wolves could possibly manage in 100 lifetimes...so again reality is conveniently distorted to fit your agenda.

    If the amount of damage done and degree of ecological incompatability are the determining factors in the decision about intentional extiction...open range cattlemen should have been hunted out long ago.

  • Clarissa Layton, UT
    May 4, 2011 3:54 p.m.

    I didn't know we even had any wolves in Utah. Where are they? I think they're cool! I also want them controlled, but if we don't have any, why are we worried? If they do come, unless they are here already, I think the Uinta Wilderness Area would be the correct spot for them. Can anyone give me some information on Utah wolves?

  • StrizzleUTE Richfield, Utah
    May 4, 2011 4:21 p.m.

    I think you guys are all nuts, there was a reason the pioneers got rid of them, they are "killing machines". In a perfect world, where humans could manage the wolf population, wolves would only kill the sick and the old. However, too many environmentalists that would end up being eaten if they brought their logic up with a wolf, think that we should never kill wolves and that they'll live in harmony with all the other animals in the forest.

    Wrong!

    The Yellowstone elk heard has dropped 70% in the last fifteen years. There were 2000 fewer elk last year than the year before. Did you guys know that hunting is not allowed in Yellowstone? so who could have done this? partially grizzly bears, but the majority of it is being done by wolves brought into the park in 1995.

    Wolves are a great predator and are needed in the balance of nature, but what we need to remember is that we're part of nature also and we need to manage the wolf populations.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 4, 2011 8:11 p.m.

    I can't wait until I get the opportunity to kill a wolf.

  • BOY BLUE South Salt Lake, UT
    May 4, 2011 8:21 p.m.

    By the same token, human beings are becoming endangered species. We are not allowed to drill for oil, we have to hold our breaths to keep from polluting our air with carbon dioxide, and so on.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    May 4, 2011 8:53 p.m.

    Cross off one more stereo type about this administration that a certain crowd has been propagating. For being branded Anti-Gun, Anti-Hunting, Anti-Defense, the administration has not been keeping with many want to believe is their agenda. Guns are allowed in more places now, they just added wolfs back to the hunting list as prescribed by - gasp - the states, and we can clearly see this administration is not anti national defense.

    So lets get back to arguing about the issues where there is real differences - debt, healthcare and the like, and stop the over generalizations that have been proven time and again to be incorrect.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 4, 2011 8:57 p.m.

    Re: runwasatch | 3:23 p.m. May 4, 2011

    The historical records prove that there was once a bounty placed on wolves by the government that regarded them as pests. History seems to have a habit of repeating itself.

  • Theeng2 Holladay, UT
    May 4, 2011 9:44 p.m.

    I was snowmobiling in the Uintas and thought I heard some wolves, almost positive because coyotes have more of a winey wimpy howl, but this was a deep loud howl.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    May 4, 2011 9:46 p.m.

    In the history of the United States there have been 3 people killed by wolves. A father and son were killed in N Dakota in 1888 and Candice Berner was killed while jogging in Alaska in 2010.

    An animal that has killed only 3 people in 300 years is hardly a blood thirsty killer. In the last 20 years I found 3 people who were attacked and killed during deer attacks in the US. That's right folks more people are attacked and killed by cute little fuzzy deer than those vicious killing machines the wolves.

    And for you hunters out there, every single study ever done in the history of mankind has shown that deer and elk herds are more healthy when wolves are in the area. Look it up.

    People want wolves killed for one reason only: to protect livestock. But I refuse to believe that the only solution to protecting the rancher's bottom line from wolves is wolf extermination.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    May 4, 2011 10:04 p.m.

    Re StrizzleUte:

    Here is a quote from the USA today about recent elk population declines that proves your theory is bogus.

    "In an analysis in the current edition of the ecology journal Oikos, for example, Vucetich and park service colleagues examined weather, hunting and wolves as factors in the elk decline. Yellowstone has had seven years of drought and a severe winter in 1997 that killed many elk.

    They found that weather and hunting are mostly to blame.

    Biologist Mark Boyce of Canada's University of Alberta and colleagues reach similar conclusions in an upcoming paper in the journal EcologicalModeling. Montana increased the "hunter harvest" quota on elk that leave Yellowstone grounds, issuing a higher-than-ever 2,882 hunting permits in 2000. A decline in the elk herd was thus guaranteed, Boyce says, even if wolves were not present."

    You should read the whole article so you can have a clue as to the affects that wolves have on Yellowstone's elk herds.

  • StrizzleUTE Richfield, Utah
    May 4, 2011 11:12 p.m.

    RE:Byronbca

    I read your article, For starters, check the date of things you read, alot can change in 6 years. I got my information from the national park website dated Jan2011. Park service along with help from the USGS USFS and the Montana F&G have determined that.

    "Predation by wolves and grizzly bears is cited as the major reason for the decline in elk numbers. Wolves in northern Yellowstone prey primarily on elk. Also, predation on newborn elk calves by grizzly bears may limit the elk populations ability to recover from these losses."

    They do also cite the drought of the early 2000's as being a factor, and being an elk hunter and seeing the effect of that drought on elk in Southern Utah, I believe it. But with no drought in the last 6 years, how do you explain a drop of 6000 elk?

    Estimating that there were 13,000 elk in 2000, 3000 tags seems about right with proper bull cow ratios. Also that doesn't take into count the number of elk in the Montana Unit.

    Wolves have no predators except humans. If we want them, we have to manage them.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    May 5, 2011 12:12 a.m.

    I agree 100% that wolves should be managed, managed not exterminated. They have a right to live just like any other of god's creatures. If we can't find a way to live beside them then we have failed as stewards of the land.

    In answer to your question here's another quote from your NPS story: "the wolf population on the northern range inside Yellowstone National Park has dropped from 94 wolves in 2007 to 37 wolves in 2010. Biologists suspect predator numbers may be responding somewhat to the decline in the elk population."

    Mother Nature is inconsistent, large elk herds aren't necessarily healthy elk herds. We should be more concerned with healthy ecosystems than more huntable ecosystems, especially in national parks. As this study shows as elk populations decrease in one area so will wolf populations.

    It should be noted that both the articles we are quoting deal almost exclusively to the Upper Lamar Valley of Yellowstone and do not reflect what's going on throughout the entire park.

  • My2Cents Kearns, UT
    May 5, 2011 4:49 a.m.

    An appropriate action for a change. Much of the original prey of the wolves has gone extinct so management is the proper course of action just as they do with the mustangs, buffalo, deer, and elk. Small prey has disappeared so now the wolves are forced to hunt larger animals that don't replenish as quickly as birds, pheasants, geese, rabbits or badgers, etc. that once roamed this valley.

    It had to be done or face them on our streets and in our neighborhoods.

  • Old Gregg Alpine, UT
    May 5, 2011 7:32 a.m.

    All I can say is it's about time! whooo whooo!

  • dforth79 Orem, UT
    May 5, 2011 8:49 a.m.

    Re:StrizzleUTE

    I am pretty sure I hunt elk in a lot of the same areas you do. We both know the Elk population decline in those areas didnt have a lot to do with the drought. It was the horrible utah Divison of Wildlife managment stupid managment ideas, it still hasent recovered from that mass slaughter in I believe it was 2001.

  • Aggielove Junction city, Oregon
    May 5, 2011 8:58 a.m.

    History proves wolves are overall safe to be around? I didnt know earth first and the sierra club published history books....?

  • Brahmabull sandy, ut
    May 5, 2011 9:06 a.m.

    Rifleman, silence dogood - I am surprised how many people are against wolves. You two are acting like these animals are out to get you or something. Yes they kill deer and elk, but so do humans. Humans kill by far more prey animals than wolves ever could. So it is their fault for being on our land before we got here? I think that part of living in the mountains is having WILD areas and wilderness that is untamed. I wish they would also bring back the grizzly bear, but too many scared people won't let that happen. How many people have been killed by wolves in the last 200 years?? I can take a wild guess that more people have drowned in lakes and reserviors than have been killed by wolves. So to say they are dangerous is kind of a strange comment. I think with the correct management they can co-exist with humans. That is, if we aren't ignorant enough to try.

  • Brahmabull sandy, ut
    May 5, 2011 9:06 a.m.

    ***too ignorant to try

  • Brahmabull sandy, ut
    May 5, 2011 9:12 a.m.

    Duckhunter - yeah I bet that makes you feel like a tough guy to go out and kill a wolf with a gun. Big bad hunters think that killing an animal just for the fun of it is tough. It is quite the opposite. If you hunt for meat, great. If you hunt just to kill, it makes you a coward. We have raised up quite a crop of misguided individuals here in Utah who think killing is fun. Sad story that we have people like duckhunter out killing things for fun.

  • StrizzleUTE Richfield, Utah
    May 5, 2011 9:18 a.m.

    Re:Byronbca

    Good to see that we are on the same page as far as management is concerned, and you are correct, the decline in wolf population is because of the scarcity of elk. there was a study done by the USGS i think in 97 that determined that one wolf eats 17 elk per year in north Yellowstone. with 37 wolves that's 629 elk this year taken by wolves ( no exact, but probably close with what information i have). that leaves around 4000 elk left in North Yellowstone for 2012. They need to be managed so that wolves do no go hungry, and the elk population can still grow. To solve both problems, 37 wolves in one area needs to be cut in half at least or to a point where the elk herds numbers level off or increase. The reason more elk are needed is more than just a hunting reason. The tax dollars gathered from elk tags benefit wildlife in the form of management. Because wolves need to be managed, the elk herd needs to grow so that money is available to manage the wolf populations

  • StrizzleUTE Richfield, Utah
    May 5, 2011 9:23 a.m.

    Re:Dforth79

    Yes i do probably hunt the same areas that you hunt. And yes i do agree with you, the DWR had a lot more to do with the elk numbers in the early 2000's than the drought. They still don't know how to manage them given how many cow tags they issue. Don't even let me get started on the deer... Weather however has a strange effect on elk herds. From what I have seen, elk actually seem to do better in drought years than wet years and I say this after seeing the # of calves lost to deep snow last year, and probably this year.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    May 5, 2011 9:27 a.m.

    Shoot or trap them all. I would love a chance to get some of them. One drainage(area) Northwest of Dubois WY had a population of over 4500 elk in 2000 according to Wyoming Division of wildlife. The same area is now down to under 1500 elk because of Wolves and Grizzlies. They are killing off the elk calves each spring at an alarming rate. The deer population is down in the same area. Dumbest thing the wildlife division ever did was to bring wolves back.

  • Aggielove Junction city, Oregon
    May 5, 2011 9:35 a.m.

    Why stop here. Bring back dinosars. Then they can eat us humans. Come on, we need all past animals back here living again.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    May 5, 2011 10:19 a.m.

    Stewardship of the land means management. Everything is an eco-system.

    I hate to hunt, but I love our hunters. They are willing to keep our nature management in check without receiving payment. They may even pay for the right to do so, which helps fund the management.

    You can't just let Nature run wild and expect everything to be OK. Over population of deer kill more elk than wolves or hunters.
    Selective hunting (guns) of wolves under the direction of state wildlife management is more humane than the pioneer way of unselective hunting of traps and poison or worse just letting everything run amuck with mismanaged wilderness areas.

  • Brahmabull sandy, ut
    May 5, 2011 10:28 a.m.

    Aggielove - Just what point was I wrong about? Look it up, wolves have killed such a small number of people in the last 300 years it is not even worth mentioning. More people die a year hiking than get killed by wolves. If you are scared of the big bad wolf you have other issues that need to be addressed. Your dinosaur comment proves that you are so far out of the conversation it may be hard to bring you back.

    Tj mentions how the wolves decimate the elk and deer populations... funny how the herds did just fine alongside wolves before people came along. The wolves co-existed with the herds and helped thin out the weak and old animals. But it is the wolves fault that humans come along and kill tens of thousands of animals a year by hunting and on the roads? Oh wait thats right we are humans we have the right to kill and decimate anything we choose and it is fine right? Ignore the facts you two, and I guess everything will be fine. Again, to go kill for the fun of it is cowardly.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 5, 2011 12:11 p.m.

    Re: Brahmabull | 9:12 a.m. May 5, 2011

    We weren't against the re-introduction of wolves because we were afraid they'd kill humans. We just don't like what they do to deer and elk herds.

    Bottom line is that they been removed from the endangered list here in Utah, and that's just fine with me.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    May 5, 2011 12:56 p.m.

    Lets see, so NO wolves in Utah Officially and those huge amount need to be hunted and controlled.

    By the way DNews I thought Name calling and trolling was prohibited, but Aggielover can throw petty jabs.
    His jealousy of the wolves competing to kill wildlife is childish at best.

    The only wildlife you see in the mountains anymore are aggielovers sheep anyway.

  • terra nova Park City, UT
    May 5, 2011 9:16 p.m.

    A week or two ago, KPCW, our local radio station in Park City reported that a local man had gone outside to get something from his car late one night. He saw a large wolf with a black Scottie in his mouth. The Scottie was still alive. He got in his car and started driving toward it in hopes that the wolf would drop the Scottie. The wolf ran, disappearing into a wooded area north of town.

    Wolves don't just hunt elk.

  • Winglish Lehi, UT
    May 8, 2011 8:44 a.m.

    Terrra nova makes a good point. Wolves don't just hunt elk. In fact, big game is the smallest portion of the Canadian wolf's diet in Canada. The wolves prey on rodents and other small animals for most of their daily needs. They follow the caribou herds only to get them through the winter. Spring calving season is a buffet, of course. Then it's back to the den for and for 6-7 months out of the year wolves mostly make a living by eating small animals.

    The whole point of this is that wolves do need to be managed. The valley floor that was once home to small animals of every sort is now home to little children, cats, small dogs, etc. Remember that wolves hunt small animals for more than half of the year and that the valley floor was their traditional home when they lived here. Sound biology says that if predator populations get so large that wolves can't find enough food in the mountains then wolves, like coyotes do, will hunt the valley floor. I'd imagine they get scared of humans, but I don't think your pet will be so lucky.