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  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    April 26, 2011 3:57 p.m.

    Sure, and it would be watched by the same 100,000 mormons who would watch any other bowl byu played in.

    Here is an idea byu, why not have an undefeated season and play in a BCS game?

    Or is losing too much fun?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 26, 2011 4:04 p.m.

    I am starting to like independence more and more. "Soveriegn" I definately like the sound of that. With a willing partner like ESPN such a bowl could become an excellent destination with a very nice payout. I would think with a few years effort it could get it self some nice tie ins for some good teams. I doubt it would ever become one of the very top bowls but of course the Fiesta Bowl was once a start up small bowl. BYU helped to build that one into a great bowl. The Holiday Bowl also grew because of BYU's involvement. They have a track record of building bowls up.

  • So. Cal Reader Escondido, CA
    April 26, 2011 4:05 p.m.

    Please don't start their own bowl game. That doesn't make sense. I'm not too crazy about the tie-in to the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl (are you serious?), but I LOVE the tie-in the good ol' Poinsettia Bowl in San Diego. I love my Cougs, but if they really want to "put their money where their mouth is," why wouldn't they think their record will speak for itself as an independent BCS at large school after the next 2 years. I imagine they would hope their BCS at-large options would be much better by that time frame. In the interim, I'd LOVE to see my Cougs in Sunny San Diego for the next 2 years!

  • SeattleUhasabballteam? Seattle, Wa
    April 26, 2011 4:08 p.m.

    @ Chris B:

    Why not have a winning team in basketball sometime? Or is losing too much fun?

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    April 26, 2011 4:09 p.m.

    Chris B

    What do you think BYU or any other football team tries to do?

    And even when they do go undefeated, it doesn't guarantee anything in the crooked NCAA system. (The U found that out the hard way.)

    What are you going to say when they do have an undefeated season and do play in a BCS game?

    Let it go.

    On the other hand...

    There is no structure on the books to deal with a sovereign university like BYU, an NCAA source told Wilner.

  • In My Humble Opinion South Jordan, UT
    April 26, 2011 4:15 p.m.

    "Or is losing too much fun?"

    I'm sure you would know...

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    April 26, 2011 4:18 p.m.

    @ crisb,
    You left a couple of zeros off the end. This is BYU we are talking about not your school.
    I think you missed the biggest point here. ESPN is interested in creating a bowl for BYU if they do not have another option. They are being pro-active to make sure BYU does get a bowl in 2011. Would they do that for your school? Would they have given your school a contract worth millions per year independent of a conference affiliation?

    Your obsession is blinding you. BYU is nationally relevant, nationally respected and recognized and ESPN knows any bowl with BYU will be a money maker.
    Your school? Not so much! Eventually, your school will do fine (money-wise) on those big pac coattails though.

    BYU will get around to the BCS in the near future.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    April 26, 2011 4:25 p.m.

    @ So. Cal Reader.
    This is just a stop-gap to make sure BYU has a bowl in their first year of independence. I expect they will have a good season but many of the bowls that would be interested in them have their hands tied with contracts in 11.
    It is cool that ESPN is looking out for them to make sure they aren't left without a bowl this year. Other bowls will make provisions in years to come and other schools will be looking at BYU to see if this route is advantageous.
    The bowl picture will change dramatically in the next 5 years.

  • oh ye confederacy of dunces Flushing, NY
    April 26, 2011 4:26 p.m.

    I like it. Seize the power from the rotten BCS. Create our own wealth with a homegrown bowl game (wherein we control costs, payout,et and do so hoestly unlike the current cest-pool system) as the program continues to grow.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 26, 2011 4:33 p.m.

    Ah leave poor christina alone. He is jealous. This is just one more thing BYU could do and utah never could so reality simply smacked her upside her head again with this revelation. Just for fun let's recap all of the things BYU is capable of that utah is not capable of.

    BYU can be independent. utah never could survive, let alone thrive, as an independent.

    BYU can have it's own worldwide television station. utah...well...no.

    BYU can have an exclusive multi year contract with ESPN the Worldwide Leader in sports programing and broadcasting. utah....LOL

    BYU can win a National Championship in football. utah...well they tell us 2nd is better anyway.

    BYU can start it's own bowl game. utah....bwaaaahaaahaaaaa

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    April 26, 2011 4:33 p.m.

    Chris B:

    There would be 100,002 to watch the bowl game:

    100,000 Mormons plus you and h-hog.

    That would be about 90,000 more than who would watch utah in a bowl game, that's assuming utah is in a bowl game from now on.

  • Robert Johnson Sunland, CA
    April 26, 2011 4:34 p.m.

    Sounds like a redeux of the New Mexico Bowl

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    April 26, 2011 4:34 p.m.

    I think I would wait on how they do as an independent before thinking about a bowl. I am sure that if their season warrants it, they will be picked up by some bowl somewhere. Rather than go independent, however, I would hope that this is a transition time where they can eventually be invited in a BCS conference like maybe, the Big 12 (minus Nebraska and Colorado). By going independent in football, they are killing all other sport programs including basketball but more especially track. This could eventually have an effect on football, particularly on recruiting because no real blue-chipper will want to go play football for a school with no assurance that they can get into a BCS bowl game.

  • Hawkeye79 Iowa City, IA
    April 26, 2011 4:34 p.m.

    @ Chris B:

    Wow, it only took you 6 minutes from when this Cougar article was posted to add your comment! You even beat your reaction time for the Jimmer article today (10 minutes)! You are becoming better at constantly refreshing the BYU news pages, looking for more stories.

    I think your efforts definitely qualify you as a BYU fan.

  • Honor Code Denver, Colorado
    April 26, 2011 4:35 p.m.

    I can see it now "The Devotional Bowl" where you'll have a "Devotional" before kick-off and the presentation will be on HD BYU. ESPN will cancel your contract and you'll be begging to get back into the WAC!!

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    April 26, 2011 4:37 p.m.

    Is it just me, or is Chris B a plant from the Des News to get hits on the website?

    Why does the kid love BYU so much that he is always first to post, and always something totally irrational? Could the kid be more far off from reality?

    That, or his is paid in "Pie" by the Ute Alumni House.

    Either way, Chris, you do not represent all that is good and decent with sports.

    BYU is soveriegn territory. BYU is the wildcard. A BYU Bowl would "out-invite" the New Mexico Bowl.

    BYU would jump to a middle of the pack Bowl first year, raise up from there, and other bowls would drop off.

    BYU writes their own history from this point on. Just like they have decided their own history on the field.

    Meanwhile the Utes wait for directions from Larry Scott. Tons of potential revenue, but really, Thursday night games?

    I sort of wish Utah would have stuck with BYU, the team that built the U, and went independent... Together, Big Brother, and Utah could have built something special.

    Now Utah is just another top-Pac wannabe.

  • alternate Salt Lake City, UT
    April 26, 2011 4:38 p.m.

    One answer to Chris B's negative comments about BYU going undefeated and playing in a BCS game is that in the past they played a harder schedule than the BCS buster teams like Utah and Hawaii and in some years Boise St. For example in 2004, Utah did not have to play road games versus USC and ND. In 2008 they played TCU in SLC not in Fort Worth.

    It would have been fun to watch Utah play USC and ND in 2004 with that excellent Urban Meyer team. But could the Utes pull off 2 wins? Ditto for the TCU miracle in SLC in 2008. Would that have happened on the road in Texas?

    Please, I am not picking a fight here. I was in Tempe cheering my head off as the Utes trampled all over Pitt. What I am trying to show is simply the shallowness of the negative comment. Nothing more nothing less.

  • Hondo Springville, UT
    April 26, 2011 4:39 p.m.

    I think there are plenty of teams that would be excited to play against BYU in a bowl, especially with Heaps and our singy D in the mix. BYU will be a worthy opponent as I predict them to go 10-2 (only losses to Texas and TCU).

    @TJ - I didn't see anywhere in the article that ESPN is actively seeking a bowl for BYU.........

    All of this won't matter because BYU will be playing in a major bowl before you can say Reno Mahe.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 26, 2011 4:40 p.m.

    I especially found this line interesting.

    "the reason the powerful football issues committee has spent hours discussing BYU in past meetings and probably will address it again this week"

    This of course is relevence.

    Do you think they even spent 1 second discussing utah?

    LOL

  • hamaca Baton Rouge, LA
    April 26, 2011 4:45 p.m.

    There could be years when BYU is not invited to the BYU bowl. Ah the scandal...

  • Jake2010 orem, ut
    April 26, 2011 4:47 p.m.

    Not to be mean but duh! What person with intelligence didn't already know that BYU as an independent has EVERY right to start the LaVell Edwards Bowl? I mean seriously? I'm sorry if you needed to be told this, but it is as obvious as snow will happen in winter.

  • Everest American Fork, UT
    April 26, 2011 4:49 p.m.

    I'm not sure anyone will care about a BYU Bowl pitting the 6-6 Cougars against the 6-6 Colorado State Rams.

  • SJ Bobkins Gilbert, AZ
    April 26, 2011 4:50 p.m.

    NOT A CHANCE!
    Why would BYU wish to play, and be locked into a long deal deal, playing the PAC's 9th or 10th or the Big 10's 8th or 9th when its not likely any of those teams will have 6 wins. BYU and it's 10 wins a year, complain about being stuck with the PAC 4th, 5th or 6th in the LV Bowl, now goes independent to play the lowest placing bowl teams in these two conferences??? That's insane!
    College Football has two many bowls as is, I can't see how a SoCal crackpot gets taken seriously with his Christmas Bowl proposition. If it doesn't make sense, it's not going to happen, and this makes no sense.

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    April 26, 2011 4:56 p.m.

    Chrissy, GEICO called and wanted to pitch a new ad campaign. "If I post on a BYU article in less than six minutes, is that some sort of record? What if I told you I did it left handed?"

    You have a bright future sister/brother, keep it up.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    April 26, 2011 5:02 p.m.

    Are bowl will be the National championship.

    btw, Tom in CA: Utah's bowl ratings on TV have been much higher than byu's for several years now.

  • Otis Spurlock Ogden, UT
    April 26, 2011 5:02 p.m.

    I think it's a great idea for BYU to have their own bowl. After all, it really is the only guarantee for BYU to play in a bowl.

    Also, who wouldn't be thrilled about playing a bowl in Provo, Utah in December? Party time and party town.

    I think everyone is realizing about now that BYU should beg Craig Thompson to let them back in the MWC.

  • Tommy2Shoes Lehi, UT
    April 26, 2011 5:05 p.m.

    If we do start a bowl let's not hold it in Provo in a cold weather outdoor stadium. Burr.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    April 26, 2011 5:07 p.m.

    If BYU ever steps up their schedule and stops playing 6 WAC teams every year, they may not be elligible for their own bowl game. We all know their record versus ranked teams. It's a fact that even Duckhunter can't cover up.

    At least they finally have their concerns in the proper place. At first it was huge concern about their inclusion in the BCS. But once cooler heads prevailed and reality that BYU will never play in a BCS game set in, it's good to see they are planning for reality.

    But have no fear Coug fans. Utah will play in the Rose Bowl someday, and you'll all be invited to tag along to see what the BCS is like in person. Just like you did in 2005.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 26, 2011 5:12 p.m.

    @sj bobkins

    What are you talking about? They only discussed that sort of tie in for one year. This year. Do you think you can simply start a bowl and the very 1st year have it be the biggest bowl with the biggest tie ins and the biggest payouts?

    The other bowls already have contracts with conferences and teams for tie ins and a new one has to take what it can at 1st and then build it up to have better connections and contracted teams.

    Of course when you have entities such as BYU and ESPN doing the building that can be more rapid than otherwise. It would still take some time but ESPN could build it to be as big as they want it to be with payouts as large as they want them to be.

  • Taco Salad Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 26, 2011 5:18 p.m.

    Let's stop and think about this critically Cougar fans. If BYU was such a great get for a bowl then why isn't every bowl begging to lock up BYU long term? Instead they are having to create their own little bowl. (Memo: if you have to throw your own party just so you can be invited to a party then there is a good chance no one likes you.)
    I can guarantee that if Texas or Ohio St was in the same position every bowl in the country would be looking to lock them up. Bowls are about making money and this just goes to show that BYU just isn't as big as draw nationally as you may think.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    April 26, 2011 5:27 p.m.

    williary

    "Utah will play in the Rose Bowl someday..."

    Utah is a pretender. BYU is a contender.

    BYU will play in the Rose Bowl someday, and U will be sitting home wondering why Utah never goes to bowls anymore.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    April 26, 2011 5:27 p.m.

    It would be a dry one....'the dust bowl'?

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    April 26, 2011 5:30 p.m.

    BYU essentially had it's own bowl in the Holiday Bowl and then the Las Vegas Bowl. Can't we just move on? Go undefeated and get into a BCS bowl already. We don't need any more meaningless bowls.

  • 801to415 San Francisco, CA
    April 26, 2011 5:32 p.m.

    BYU has its own bowl game:

    The Las Vegas Bowl. 6&6 or 10 & 2.

    Book your room now.

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    April 26, 2011 5:44 p.m.

    The tie in that is being talked about is BYU vs. the 8/9 PAC 12 team or the 8/9 Big 10 team. That is not very interesting. I was hoping that part of BYU's plan for more exposure was to free itself from the cruddy Vegas / New Mexico type bowls and start getting into the other bigger bowls. A Holiday bowl tie in is more natural. After all it was the BYU Bowl for a couple of decades anyway. Would love to see BYU be able to step up into some New Year's day games. Feels a little bit like tieing yourself into the Mtn channel. Lower tier.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 26, 2011 5:45 p.m.

    Let's not forget the other two-thirds of the equation: Where, and Who Else?

    The where would either be Provo (if so, the who becomes problematic) or someplace warm. The latter would require a big enough stadium and a community willing to see the Y and its fans on a regular basis--assuming they qualify.

    The who would be a real short list, given all the existing conference tie-ins. You'd have the few teams that qualify that nobody else wanted.

    So yeah, the Y could start its own bowl. But be prepared to be either frozen or bored to death.

  • Otis Spurlock Ogden, UT
    April 26, 2011 5:59 p.m.

    I would like to be the first to offer some names for this new bowl:

    The David Archuletta Bowl

    The McRib Bowl

    The Olive Garden Neverending Pasta & Salad Bowl

    The Charmin Toilet Bowl

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    April 26, 2011 6:04 p.m.

    Breaking news on ESPN...

    Vegas Bowl has cut its ties with MWC and has now officially changed its name to the "Cougar Classic" sponsored by Jello.

    BYU couldn't join a BCS conference so they wen independent.

    BYU couldn't get to a BCS bowl game so they create their own bowl.

    Classic indeed!

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    April 26, 2011 6:07 p.m.

    Nobody cares that you beat up Sun belt teams and lose to top ranked teams every year. The fact is you couldn't do it in the MTN? Your probably not gonna do it as an independent.

  • Otis Spurlock Ogden, UT
    April 26, 2011 6:09 p.m.

    Here are some more names for this exciting new bowl that will be played in Provo, Utah in December (it's hard not to get excited about that):

    The Mystery Science Theater 3000 Bowl

    Dude, I Love The Osmonds Bowl

    The Please-Just-Win-A-BCS-Before-I-Die Bowl

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 26, 2011 6:09 p.m.

    YES...Revelation!!!

    Think of it:

    1) The game could be on January 1st and BYU could then say it has played in a New Years Day Bowl!!!

    2) It would probably fall just behind the Albuquerque Bowl. So the opponents would be almost as good as UTEP!!

    3) It could be a guaranteed success. Just announce the game from the pulpit at General Conference and ask for a sustaining vote (which would of course include purchasse of a ticket) Any dissenters?. Then point out the ticket could be donated to the DI at what? Ten ties the price paid?

    4) Perfect setting!! The Rockies in late December (or Jan.1 - see above) Many will remember the Utah game (3-0) in November. Wait, BYU can insure that doesn't happen.

    5) Brad Rock could then vote a win by BYU as the greatest team achievent in the state of Utah's history!!

    All positives - count me in!!!

  • -PSUYB- Scranton, Pennsylvania
    April 26, 2011 6:13 p.m.

    It seems many of you fail to grasp the fact that under the BCS system, essentially every bowl game is meaningless, even the 2 team playoff which is decided by a computer formula and coaches/media polls.

    The only difference between the sugar bowl and Las Vegas Bowl is the payout, which comes with larger stadiums, and better TV contracts. Winners and losers of these bowls still fall in line behind the #1.

    With the corruption of the BCS finally coming under the microscope, it's days are numbered. And when the BCS falls, a play-off system will be introduced. Likely a 12 team playoff which include the Conference Champions from each of the BIG six conferences and 6 at large teams. The teams that do not get invited to the playoff will have the opportunity to play in a bowl game.

    If BYU officials feel that initiating a Bowl Game is a good idea. I am inclined to agree, there is really nothing to lose? If BYU is not invited to the playoff, it can still invite a decent team to come play in the Christmas Bowl or whatever they choose to name it.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    April 26, 2011 6:16 p.m.

    Chris B,

    Please look at how many games BYU football has won the last five years vs how many games the Utes have won. Once again, you'll find that BYU has a better record.

  • Mesa Coug Phoenix, AZ
    April 26, 2011 6:24 p.m.

    First, I don't think BYU is trying to start it's own bowl. This bowl already has a name and main sponsor. All that is happening is that BYU would sign a deal to play in the bowl.

    Second, what gives any bowl under the current system the right to exist? Capitalism does! Last time I checked the U.S. was still somewhat capitalistic. If this bowl can field better teams and make more money, why should it not exist and let one of the other bowls that cannot compete die? Who wouldn't rather go play in L.A. than New Mexico?

    I personally would like to see a lot of bowls die. I do not think any team with less than eight wins should be in a bowl, including BYU. But until the rules for bowls change, this is the system that the NCAA has blessed us with.

  • -PSUYB- Scranton, Pennsylvania
    April 26, 2011 6:37 p.m.

    I realize there will be plenty of Ute fans with their panties in a wad over my post, so I just thought I might as well post some backup for my word on the subject.

    1-BCS bowl games are meaningless- After watching an unranked 8-4 UCONN team get invited to the Fiesta Bowl just to get embarrassed and lose $1.6 million who could argue this fact? Both teams that played in this years Las Vegas Bowl had better records. But were left out because of no AQ status. What did an undefeated TCU, Utah, and Boise State team have to play for in their BCS bowl appearances?

    Every team in college football practices and plays in the hopes of being #1. The BCS robs teams, even in the AQ conferences, the opportunity of playing for or winning a National Title.

    2- BCS bowl system will crumble- It is all over the news. One of the hottest topics in the Nation right now. With the Utah AG gaining momentum and support, the BCS will undoubtedly be closely examined by the federal government. Many experts agree, there is a mountain of dirt to be found there.

  • Vince the boonies, mexico
    April 26, 2011 7:08 p.m.

    A Bowl game in Utah in Dec or Jan? Are you going to roof Lavell Edwards stadium? Get real please!

  • Mesa Coug Phoenix, AZ
    April 26, 2011 7:24 p.m.

    Under the current system, no bowl has any more right than another to exist. This includes the Rose, Sugar, Orange, etc. If someone is willing to start a bowl, manage to get decent teams and pull a profit more power to them.

    The only way the NCAA could not allow this bowl is to take over the whole bowl system from the corrupt organizations now running them. Let them do that and implement a playoff.

    I know this will not happen but could you imagine a 12-0 BYU playing in this bowl and no other undefeated teams. That would be the ultimate BCS buster - a national champion that did not play in the BCS.

  • In My Humble Opinion South Jordan, UT
    April 26, 2011 7:36 p.m.

    Chris B | 3:57 p.m. April 26, 2011
    Salt Lake City, UT
    Sure, and it would be watched by the same 100,000 mormons who would watch any other bowl byu played in.
    ----------

    Plus you and hedgehog.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    April 26, 2011 7:38 p.m.

    I think it's a good idea. I'd call it the BYU National Championship Game.

    Rules are simple -

    BYU automatically plays no matter their record.
    BYU chooses a 6-6 Peach Belt Conference team to play.
    BYU wins.
    BYU fans are happy because their "bYU National Champions."

    The end.

  • In My Humble Opinion South Jordan, UT
    April 26, 2011 7:44 p.m.

    Vince, other stadiums would love to host BYU. San Diego, the Colosseum, the Rose Bowl (a stadium, not just a game), Monster Park to name a few...

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    April 26, 2011 7:54 p.m.

    Not a good idea. Unless top name teams could be lined up as regular foes, then a bowl with BYU's name on it becomes a negative advertisement.

    Example: HEY it's the BYU Bowl vs. Fresno State.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    April 26, 2011 7:59 p.m.

    If you can't get invited to a power conference... Proclaim your independence and spin it as what you wanted to do all along.

    If you can't get a BCS bowl invite, or a bowl invite of any kind... Start your own bowl and spin it that it's just as good as a BCS bowl.

    Delusion... it's more than a state of mind, it's fundamental to the BYU experience.

  • MESOUTE Karchaj, A.V.
    April 26, 2011 8:03 p.m.

    @Cougfanintexas:
    You asked for the last five seasons (win totals)
    UTAH wins since 2006:
    2006 - 8
    2007 - 9
    2008 - 13
    2009 - 10
    2010 - 10

    Total - 50

    BYU wins since 2006:
    2006 - 11
    2007 - 11
    2008 10
    2009 - 11
    2010 - 7

    Total - 50

    All equal. Thanks though.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    April 26, 2011 8:27 p.m.

    Chris B.

    Jealously become you.

  • I Still Can't Say It Holladay, UT
    April 26, 2011 8:56 p.m.

    If no conference wants you, go independent.

    If no bowl will sign you to a deal, start your own.

    Things are getting lonely in Utah County. Nobody wants anything to do with the team in Provo, as they have to beg and plead to get people to play them.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 26, 2011 9:06 p.m.

    Can you even imagine the belly laughs emanating from Bristol if utah proposed to start their own bowl game? LOL

    But of course a team like BYU doesn't need to propose it for themselves, they have ESPN doing it for them. It is certainly a good thing to have a legacy that makes it so heavy hitters want to do business with you. Quite a different thing than simply attaching yourself, like a parasite, to greater, much more prestigious, institutions and hoping to capitalize on their names and legacies.

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    April 26, 2011 9:14 p.m.

    Yes! I like it. The Cougar Classic. BYU can invite the #7-#12 team coming out of the Pac 12. It could become a yearly rivalry game between BYU and Utah!

  • TheHailstorm South Weber, UT
    April 26, 2011 9:26 p.m.

    Coaches:
    6 years
    Mendenhall--56-21
    Whittingham--58-20 + Coach of the Year 2008

  • Seattleview Federal Way, WA
    April 26, 2011 9:27 p.m.

    BYU hype being BYU hype

    Lets just wait to see if BYU stays relavent during its first couple of years as an independant. If they cant get into a better bowl than one they have create to play a breakeven team they might as welll go back into a conference.

  • Cali Coug Visalia, CA
    April 26, 2011 9:59 p.m.

    BYU playing a bowl game on Jan 1st in the Dallas Cowboy Stadium for a $10 million payout per team...not a bad gig. Teaming up with ESPN and Mark Cuban could make an interesting event.

  • Floyd Johnson Broken Arrow, OK
    April 26, 2011 10:16 p.m.

    A bit of clarification. The proposed bowl would not be known as the BYU bowl. It would be known by the sponsoring organization, just like all of the other bowls. It would be the "GMC truck Bowl" or the "Vanguard Financial Bowl." BYU would just have a tie in. They are currently referring to it as the "Proposed BYU Bowl" until a sponsor is established.

    A bowl tie is very important for BYU as an independent. BYU could be left out of the post season after a respectable (say 9 win) 2011 season because other bowls are contracted to take poor teams from specific conferences. A bowl game provides 2 more weeks of practice and another game experience for developing athletes. It is a big boost and a clear advantage for the next season.

  • I Still Can't Say It Holladay, UT
    April 26, 2011 10:36 p.m.

    If no conference wants you, go independent.

    If no bowl wants you, start your own.

    I guess you could call it initiative.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    April 26, 2011 10:37 p.m.

    I think BYU athletics should adopt a new mantra -

    "Creating the illusion of relevance since 2010"

    Listen up Cougar Nation...

    If no power conference will invite you and no decent bowl will invite you or partner with you... it could be clue that no one really likes you.

    The bottom line and the hard truth is that independence and a made up bowl game do no create relevance.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    April 26, 2011 10:42 p.m.

    BYU has to start looking at things now, not wait until 2013 or 2014 to try and put things in place. This is farsightedness, not near sightedness as many of you think. This is unchartered territory. It will be truly interesting to see how this plays out. If it is successful Chris B and Hedgehog will hide. If not they will gloat and chortle and hoot and holler as if they predicted it. They were wrong 32 times with BYU basketball. To each his own.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    April 26, 2011 10:46 p.m.

    @ Taco Salad and the 4 times you voted for yourself:

    Really, all of you Ute fans / BYU haters mocking and deriding, a few comments to come back close to reality.

    1) BYU already has some future bowl tie ins. Not great, but not bad for short notice, and this IS short notice;

    2) The tie-ins come in handy if you don't get invited to a BCS bowl. If you do get invited, you aren't tied in;

    3) If, with everybody already being locked in for this year, someone still thinks they can create ANOTHER bowl, and make money at it, by connecting it to BYU, I think that says something pretty positive, not negative.

    4) If BYU is good, just not good enough to make a BCS bowl, any option is better than no option. Could a top 10, one-loss non-AQ team find decent competion? Boise found U. Hmmmmm...

    5) Still, yuk it up fuzzballs, the season will come around soon enough, and our date with Utah will come all too soon for U. Unfortunately, what we know is that even with a sound thrashing, it will not shut U up.

  • MUSSing with U Baltimore, MD
    April 26, 2011 11:00 p.m.

    Howard S. Chris B, hedgehog, et al

    Listen up jealous BYU haters; if BYU wasn't relevant, U wouldn't be trolling EVERY BYU article trying to prove they're not.

    Regardless of your words, your actions scream BYU relevancy.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    April 26, 2011 11:05 p.m.

    Why not? Snow College has its own bowl so I am sure with time that the y can create an equally well known bowl.

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    April 26, 2011 11:14 p.m.

    You guys are talking like BYU is/has been BCS worthy?? Hello! They couldn't win their poor conf every year now they want to take on the big boys and lose and then play Middle Valley of the Pines League teams to finish off the season. See in the SEC you play a few cupcakes and then you buckle down for league play, same as the Big 10, Pac 10 etc. You guys are gonna schedule a few descent opponents and then play pathetic competition to wrap it up? How is this good for BYU football?

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 26, 2011 11:40 p.m.

    Bitter and jealous Ute fans.

    Ducky's spot on.

    Only BYU could pull this off. With ESPN and one of the most beautiful football settings in the nation who wouldn't want to come here and just imagine the goodwill generated. It would be a holiday favorite.

    It will take some time but BYU could pull this off. During the holidays I can see ESPN taking a crew up to Temple Square and getting those beautiful Christmas lights, it would be a perfect setting for the Christmas season.

    Yeah, this could work quite well AND with the pending demise of the BCS the timing couldn't be better.

    Since Adobe is coming to Utah County maybe they would be interested in sponsoring?

    Go for it ESPN!

    Great times to be a Cougar! (utes are red with envy)

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    April 26, 2011 11:45 p.m.

    MUSSing with U

    "Howard S. Chris B, hedgehog, et al... your actions scream BYU relevancy."
    ******************

    Mr. MUSSing -

    If you think that a few dispensers of hard truth lend relevance to BYU... well "delusional" may not be a descriptive enough to explain the twisted logic that leads to that conclusion.

    Here is plain logic...

    1. You claim independence when no one else will have you.
    2. You create your own bowl when you realize you can't qualify for a BCS bowl and no other respectable bowl will partner with you or invite you.

  • MenaceToSociety Draper, UT
    April 27, 2011 12:40 a.m.

    Very Snow College of them. Will it be a Top Of The Mountains Bowl double header at Rio Tinto Stadium?

  • In My Humble Opinion South Jordan, UT
    April 27, 2011 12:52 a.m.

    crowntown1 | 11:14 p.m. April 26, 2011
    Corona, CA
    You guys are talking like BYU is/has been BCS worthy?? Hello! They couldn't win their poor conf every year...
    ------
    Yet Bronco has won more conference championships than Kyle. In fact except for Urban, no Utah coach since at least the 60's has won more conference championships than the BYU coach they went head-to-head with.

  • nottyou Riverton, UT
    April 27, 2011 6:13 a.m.

    Schedule padded with mid-major opponents = Utes undefeated seasons and BCS bowl game.

  • North Summit 05 Coalville, UT
    April 27, 2011 6:17 a.m.

    BYU has something that is always going to make them appealing to ESPN NATIONAL TITLE U fans you can bash that season all you want but it was the same caliber teams as both of your BCS season's. Now has ESPN mentioned anything about Utah having its own bowl game umm well no so get over it.

  • T-Roy Summerville, SC
    April 27, 2011 6:26 a.m.

    All I can say is BYU has a tough schedule this year they have SEC a Big 12 and a Pac 12 games even though the game against the Pac 12 is utah it is still a BSC Confrence so IF u add it UP 3 Games against BCS Confrences

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    April 27, 2011 7:36 a.m.

    Ute Trolls, and BYU haters,

    One question...

    Why do you care? If BYU is not relevant, why are you reading the articles? Why do you take time to post?

    I KNOW BYU has a better history, better team, better coach, better legacy, more fun to watch, and brighter future.

    I have never read a Ute article. Never posted on one neither.

    If BYU didn't matter you wouldn't feel the need to tear them down.

  • dustman Nampa, ID
    April 27, 2011 7:38 a.m.

    Every school should have their own bowl. Then everyone will be bowl eligible. Yay bowl games.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    April 27, 2011 7:38 a.m.

    At first I thought this was ludicrous, but as I thought about it, I think it could be fine. The bowl system is an absolute joke, and if ESPN wants to televise it on a national level, who cares if it puts a dent in the current system.

  • Just Thinking II Roseville, CA
    April 27, 2011 8:08 a.m.

    l do not like the idea at all.
    1st. too many bowls now
    2nd. snow bowl
    3rd. ESPN is not asking BYU to do it yet.
    4th. where will all the people stay (with relitives)
    5th. no way could they put it together for this year.
    6th. snow, snow
    7th. what would all the people do in Provo? in slc?
    8th. good point ski

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    April 27, 2011 8:28 a.m.

    Howard S.

    That "illusion" of relevance will quickly be replaced with proven relevance when you start seeing regular national broadcasts of BYU football.

    You're just jealous that BYU is doing things that would be impossible for Utah to pull off:

    Partner with ESPN on an exclusive, 8-year contract.

    Partner with ESPN to create their own bowl game to play in sunny southern California every year that BYU doesn't play in a BCS bowl.

    ----------------------------

    Back to the subject of the article.

    If Utah's Sugar Bowl win over Alabama was such exceptional achievement, why didn't Utah finish higher than 4th in the official BCS poll, the Coaches Poll?

    BYU 1996 (14-1) finished 5th in the Coaches Poll.

    Obviously, the rest of the country wasn't nearly as impressed with the win or the season as Utah fans were.

    btw, BYU 1984 played more teams with winning records in the regular season than Utah 2004.

  • Cougar Eat Ute Cedar Hills, UT
    April 27, 2011 8:56 a.m.

    God bless you Chris B, hedgehog, and Howard S.

    You guys always manage to put a smile on my face and a spring in my step! Please notify me if you guys ever take your comedy tour national!

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    April 27, 2011 9:07 a.m.

    Except for the BCS championship game, bowl game pecking order is determined by payout more than by matchups.

    With a larger stadium, the Colliseum, to play in, it's entirely possible that the new bowl could pay more than the Las Vegas, Poinsettia, Kraft Fight Hunger, and other similar bowls.

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    April 27, 2011 9:22 a.m.

    Dick could not have twisted this more

    Here is the fact (not the twisted truth)

    In order for BYU to ensure a post-season bowl invite after the 11/12 season, they must create their own bowl or risk not getting invited to a bowl when they have 6-6 or 7-5 seasons.

    makes me laugh.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    April 27, 2011 9:23 a.m.

    Y does the Y has such an aversion to just simply WIN and go to a BCS game? It's almost like they know (deep down) that hey can't.

    Utah did it
    BSU did it
    TCU did it
    Hawaii did it

    Trying to create some "fake" bowl game to raise your self esteam for not being good enough isn't solving the problem.

    What the Y needs most of all is better talent. Like the mormon LB out of Wisconsin.... oh wait.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    April 27, 2011 9:24 a.m.

    Howard S. | 7:59 p.m. April 26, 2011
    Taylorsville, UT
    If you can't get invited to a power conference... Proclaim your independence and spin it as what you wanted to do all along.

    If you can't get a BCS bowl invite, or a bowl invite of any kind... Start your own bowl and spin it that it's just as good as a BCS bowl.

    =====
    I Still Can't Say It | 8:56 p.m. April 26, 2011
    Holladay, UT
    If no conference wants you, go independent.

    If no bowl will sign you to a deal, start your own.


    ======

    Isn't that how every conference and all major Bowl Games were started?

    Oh, that's right, to UofU fans college football started in the year 2000.

  • BoiseSuperBlue Twin Falls, ID
    April 27, 2011 9:31 a.m.

    Otis Spurlock said,

    "I would like to be the first to offer some names for this new bowl:

    The David Archuletta Bowl

    The McRib Bowl

    The Olive Garden Neverending Pasta & Salad Bowl

    The Charmin Toilet Bowl

    The Mystery Science Theater 3000 Bowl

    Dude, I Love The Osmonds Bowl

    The Please-Just-Win-A-BCS-Before-I-Die Bowl"

    I just blew milk all over my computer screen from laughing so hard! That was a funny post! Thanks for making my day.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    April 27, 2011 9:38 a.m.

    Howard S. | 11:45 p.m. April 26, 2011
    Taylorsville, UT
    MUSSing with U

    If you think that a few dispensers of hard truth lend relevance to BYU... well "delusional" may not be a descriptive enough to explain the twisted logic that leads to that conclusion.

    Here is plain logic...

    1. You claim independence when no one else will have you.
    2. You create your own bowl when you realize you can't qualify for a BCS bowl and no other respectable bowl will partner with you or invite you.

    ====

    Point 1. "No one else will have them?"

    They were in the MWC. The reason they went independent is because they could.

    Point 2. "No Tie-ins?"

    They will create tie-ins. The only reason I would thing BYU would create their own Bowl, is because they could.

    And, with the right sponsor, they could get a great payout.

    (Who's delusional???)

    The reason there is so much interest among BYU Haters, is they see the potential that, in the year of the PAC invite to be the 12th body, BYU is building a "potential" National Powerhouse... Because BYU can.

    And that just threatens their fragile egos.

  • AFCoug Colorado Springs, CO
    April 27, 2011 9:49 a.m.

    I'd still like to see them back in the Holiday Bowl mix. That is tradition that is missed by many BYU fans. As a mid level bowl pay-put would be pretty good for an independent program.

    How about a tiered tie in
    6/7 wins = Kraft fight hunger
    8/9 wins = Poinsetta
    10/11 wins = Holiday
    12+ wins = BCS

  • JustAnotherName Alpine, UT
    April 27, 2011 10:18 a.m.

    This article doesn't say BYU is creating their own bowl; it says they can if they want.

    Isn't it interesting that the fact that we simply "have the option" to create our own bowl game or do anything that we want infuriates and threatens the anti-BYU-ites.

    That says more than anything else.

  • Flame of the West The OC, CA
    April 27, 2011 10:23 a.m.

    I like a previous poster's (think vermin) idea with just a little change: lets have a National Champions Only Bowl.

    By invitation, select only teams with NC displayed on their football trophies. We could start with teams currently rebuilding like Colorado, Washington, UCLA, USC, even Army, or the bigger powerhouses too, it doesn't really matter as long as they can qualify.

    Therein lies the pinch point for some teams, one in particular. (a hint if you still need it: must have a NC trophy).

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    April 27, 2011 11:13 a.m.

    hedgehog

    "What the Y needs most of all is better talent."

    Luckily for you you've got over four months to prepare your excuses for September when the "less talented" Independent Cougars beat the "more talented" PAC 12 Utes.

    The Y isn't worried about never playing in a BCS game, the Cougars are simply being proactive for the years BYU doesn't play in a BCS game.

    It's no different than the U looking at the PAC 12 bowl tie-ins for years when the Utes don't play in the Rose Bowl. Are the Utes scared that they'll be just like the Arizona Wildcats, 30+ years and counting with no Rose Bowls?

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    April 27, 2011 11:30 a.m.

    Veritas Aequitas

    Oh, that's right, to UofU fans college football started in the year 2000."

    Your timeline is slightly off.

    In the crimson-colored glasses world of Utedom, nothing before 2004 counts in football and nothing since 2004 counts in basketball.

    Some sort of cosmic event happened in 2004 that only Ute Nation is aware of.

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    April 27, 2011 11:48 a.m.

    What's "self esteam" hedgy?

    Is that what you do everytime the Cougars win another game, get all steamed up with jealousy?

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    April 27, 2011 12:45 p.m.

    @LonestarRunner

    "In the crimson-colored glasses world of Utedom, nothing before 2004 counts in football and nothing since 2004 counts in basketball.

    Some sort of cosmic event happened in 2004 that only Ute Nation is aware of."

    Dude, your color blind! Your mistaking your crimson glasses with blue glasses.
    You forget since the beginning of Utah Football in 1890 up until 1970. Utah has been a power in its conferences winning 19 conference football titles. Since then Utah has won 5 more titles and 4 of those titles were in the MWC. Utah football did not begin in 2004. The year 2003 was when Utah football became contenders again!

    Your calculations are bit off. Yes 2004 we went unbeaten, but 2003 we won the MWC title and set us up for the unbeaten 2004 season. If you would wear the right colored glasses you would see this.

  • Naked Truth Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 27, 2011 12:47 p.m.

    "Y does the Y has such an aversion to just simply WIN and go to a BCS game? It's almost like they know (deep down) that hey can't."

    Only a Ute would celebrate a BCS game as somehow being better than an NC. Only a Ute would accept their second place finish and throw a parade. Since that's the pinnacle of their success, I guess you can't blame them. As far as Cougar fans, we've been to the top of CFB and we aspire to be there again. Second place just won't do!

  • PAC 12 loves U Sandy, Utah
    April 27, 2011 1:01 p.m.

    "Utah is a pretender. BYU is a contender.

    BYU will play in the Rose Bowl someday, and U will be sitting home wondering why Utah never goes to bowls anymore."

    Are you serious? You honestly believe byu will play in the Rose Bowl (The Grand Daddy of them all)? Sorry, dude! The Rose Bowl has locks on the Pac 12 champs and the Big 10 champs! What makes you think byu will play in a big boy bowl game such as the Rose Bowl? byu can't even get a BCS bowl invite as a MWC member. All Utah has to do to go to the Rose Bowl is win the Pac 12 Championship Game. They could go to the Rose Bowl with 4 or 5 losses.

    Sorry Pheonix its the other way around! Utah has been a contender for several years and byu has been the pretender. Remember byu's "Quest to Perfection" in 2008. Well Utah was the team that was Perfect. GO UTES!!!

    Look for us on tv in Pasadena!

  • Jake2010 orem, ut
    April 27, 2011 1:42 p.m.

    Name me one BCS champion that was any more legitimate than the BYU 1984 championship or any other year where there was more than one team with the 'best' record in the land? Winning a BCS title is only as legitimate as it has a last man standing in any tier of Div 1. The little guy isn't good enough? well, then slate David against Goliath. But by all means quit naming non-champions in a multi-billion dollar industry. It is 50 years old already. Institute the NCPS! National Championship Playoff Series

  • bigutefan Las Vegas, NV
    April 27, 2011 1:52 p.m.

    Oh, wow, good ideas are flowing in Provo. Since nobody else will invite you, create your own. Makes total sense.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    April 27, 2011 2:46 p.m.

    This is silly. BYU seems to feel it is getting crowded out of the NCAA and the BCS and feel the need to create their own bowl?? This is ridiculous.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 27, 2011 2:51 p.m.

    @ibleedcrimson

    19 conference championships in 80 years constitutes a "power"?

    Bwaaahaaahaaaahaaaaa

    BYU won that many of them over a 25 year period.

    ute "fans"......LOL

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    April 27, 2011 9:39 p.m.

    @ bigutefan | 1:52 p.m. April 27, 2011

    If you build it; they will come?

    Seriously, BYU has national recognition and who would not want to come to Provo in December?

    In Fact, I hear Janoris Jenkins maybe Provo bound.

  • Eddie Would Go FPO, AE
    April 28, 2011 12:29 a.m.

    I believe BYU is one of the few teams that could pull off having their own bowl. They have an extremely loyal national following, a bowl-worthy football stadium, and a valuable partner in ESPN. But my question is, "why do it?"

    If BYU continues to put a good product on the field, then they will continue to get bowl invitations.

    If they ever meet BCS criteria, they will get a BCS invite.

    It seems to me that BYU is just trying too hard to get noticed, like that pretty girl in school who is always overdoing everything just so she gets attention.

    Have a little more confidence and self-esteem, Cougars. You aren't the prettiest girl in school, but you're no mud fence either.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    April 28, 2011 7:33 a.m.

    "Name me one BCS champion that was any more legitimate than the BYU 1984 championship or any other year where there was more than one team with the 'best' record in the land?"

    Your question should be phrased, "Name me one BCS champion that WASN'T more legitimate than the 1984 BYU champion?"

    Either way, here is the answer: EVERY BCS champion has been more legitimate than the 1984 Cougars.

    By definition, every BCS Championship game has been a head to head contest of #1 vs. #2. That means that for the last 13 years, the National Championship was won by either beating #1 or #2. BYU's championship was won by beating an unranked, 6-5 team who finished SIXTH in their own conference.

    No offense, man, but you should be embarrassed for asking that question.

    What BYU accomplished in 1984 was wonderful. They should be proud of their National Championship. But suggesting that beating 1984 Michigan was just as significant as beating a #1 or #2 team in a championship game means you have thrown all objectivity out the window.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    April 28, 2011 9:59 a.m.

    @UTAH95
    Obviously your very young and very naive...so we'll excuse your short sightedness. Until BYU's 1984 National Championship...no College National Champion was ever crowned outside of the 3 holiest shrines of College Football i.e. The Orange...the Sugar or the Grandaddy of them all...the Rose Bowl. BYU in the lowly Holiday Bowl toppled and broke the Holy Grail of College Football as well as the time honored tradition of presenting that Annual Traditional Honor by winning the Championship in a game that wasn't played on the Holiest of Holy days in all of College Sports...New Years Day. That's Huge...Dude!!! Sacraligiously Huge. BYU was the reason...the catylyst...the infraction or the vilation of the holiness that eventually lead to no longer Playing the Championship game on New Years Day. That's a very historically significant footnote in College Sports. Even with the addition of the Fiesta Bowl The 984 No split decisions... no split titles period. Every major poll selected them as no.1...undisputedly. What is ironic is that Utah and most of it's fans are so easy to just roll over and take scraps from the BCS.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    April 28, 2011 10:02 a.m.

    The answer is no. The NCAA just put a 3 yr ban on new bowls.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    April 28, 2011 10:44 a.m.

    Where's Stockton ???,

    Thank you for calling me young. Now that I'm "older," it sounds nice.

    That being said, my post was in answer to a very specific challenge thrown down by an earlier post - "name one BCS CHAMPION that was any more legitimate...."

    I stand by my answer - EVERY ONE OF THEM. Not because I'm a BYU hater (I'm a BYU graduate, BTW), but because each of the thirteen national champions crowned in the BCS era won the prize by defeating either #1 or #2 in a head to head contest for all the marbles. Unfortunately, BYU can't make that claim.

    The question was not "name ANY CHAMPION...," it was "name any BCS Champion." Even if it had been the former, are you aware of any other team that won the National Championship by beating a 5-loss, unranked team that finished in the bottom half of their conference?

    Unless you're a Cougar fan, what's most significant about 1984 was the "system's" failure to pair the undefeated #1 team in the nation with a worthy opponent. At least the BCS system, warts and all, does that.

    What is "naive" about my logic?

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    April 28, 2011 11:39 a.m.

    Utah'95

    "By definition, every BCS Championship game has been a head to head contest of #1 vs. #2."

    Untrue. In 2003, USC was #1 in both the AP and Coaches polls, but didn't play in the BCS championship game because the BCS computers didn't rank the Trojans in the top 2 in the BCS rankings.

    USC won the AP national championship in exactly the same way BYU won its Concensus National Championship in 1984, by being voted #1 in the final AP poll. The difference, BYU was voted #1 by all five major selecting organizations.

    The BCS is a farce that is no more "legitimate" than the previous system that is still in use by the AP poll.

    Utah fans who support the BCS, but then argue that Utah 2004 and Utah 2008 should have been given a chance to play for the national championship...

    are hypocrits.

  • Captain Sweatpants Hampstead, NC
    April 28, 2011 1:54 p.m.

    phoenix,

    You are clearly missing Utah'95's point.

    In 2003, there was controversy about whether USC or LSU should get to play #1 Oklahoma. USC was #2 in the AP poll, but #3 in the BCS poll. Those rankings were reversed where LSU was concerned. While admittedly not perfect, it pitted two outstanding teams against each other in the BCS Championship Game.

    Please don't tell me you are comparing 2003 SEC Champion, 12-1, #2/#3 LSU to 1984's unranked, 6-5, Big 10 sixth-place Michigan!

    Call me whatever you like, but I believe that winning the national championship ought to require beating a worthy opponent (may I suggest a Top 5 team in the major polls?) in the "Championship Game."

    3 teams from the state of Utah have valid reasons to be upset. The 2004 and 2008 Utes should cry foul for not having a opportunity to play for the championship. By facing a patsy in the "championship game," BYU has had to defend it's title for the last 26 years.

    The BCS system isn't perfect. But sorry haters, at least it guarantees that true contenders meet for the Championship.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    April 28, 2011 2:54 p.m.

    Captain Sweatpants

    Nobody is comparing BYU 1984 to USC 2003 except in the method the national champion is selected, which for the AP poll hasn't changed since it was established in 1936 - finish #1 in the final poll and you're the AP national champion.

    The AP poll voters are free to use whatever criteria they deem appropriate in ranking each team.

    In BYU's 1984 case, poll voters had over a month to evaluate BYU's schedule and bowl opponent, but at the end of the day, the majority of voters from all five nationally recognized selecting organizations chose BYU as the national champion.

    The BCS still doesn't determine anything when there are 3 or 4 or even 5 teams worthy of playing in the championship game.

    The biggest problem with the BCS, and it has many, is that it stands in the way of a 16-team national championship playoff to determine the national champion on the field instead of in a poll.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 28, 2011 3:20 p.m.

    Captain Sweatpants

    Oklahoma (locked into the Orange Bowl) and BYU (locked in the Holiday Bowl) had no choice which bowl they played in.

    Nebraska and Washington (both Top 5 teams in 1984) were both invited to play #1-ranked BYU in the Holiday Bowl. Nebraska and Washington were both at-large teams because neither of them won their conference championship.

    Both chose instead to play in more prestigious, more lucrative bowls, instead of playing the #1 team for a chance at the national championship.

    If you want to blame someone for BYU not playing a "worthy" opponent in 1984, blame the Huskies and Huskers.

    BYU started 1984 on the road against pre-season #3 Pittsburgh. BYU finished 1984 on a 24-game winning streak that included beating two Top 15 teams on the road in 1983.

    BYU was an outstanding team, they just weren't given the opportunity to play an outstanding opponent in 1984.

    In September, 1985, BYU played Washington in a game that many naysayers thought would prove that BYU wasn't worthy of their 1984 national championship.

    BYU crushed Washington 31-3.

  • Captain Sweatpants Hampstead, NC
    April 28, 2011 4:23 p.m.

    TrueBlue,

    I agree with everything you said in your 2:54 p.m. post.

    Riddles in the Dark,

    I agree with "the spirit" of what you say. You may accuse me of nit-picking, but:

    BYU's opening game win over preseason #3 Pitt seemed significant at the time, but as the season wore on, it became evident that Pitt was a pretender. They finished 3-8.

    BYU's pummeling of Washington in 1985 in Provo, while impressive, says very little about what might have happened in San Diego nine months earlier had they met in the Holiday Bowl.

    I couldn't agree more with these two statements:

    "If you want to blame someone for BYU not playing a "worthy" opponent in 1984, blame the Huskies and Huskers."

    "BYU was an outstanding team, they just weren't given the opportunity to play an outstanding opponent in 1984."

    Despite it's faults, the current BCS system would deliver "an outstanding opponent."

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    April 28, 2011 5:47 p.m.

    At what point does BYU distance itself from the rest of the NCAA by simply saying goodbye? The corrupt nature of the Bowl system, the awful BCS, the biased NCAA selection committee, the liberal/socialistic conferences, the greedy/unmoral players, the cheating coaches, money grubbing teams? How long can they be IN the NCAA but not OF the NCAA?

  • FanofBYU American Fork, UT
    April 28, 2011 5:57 p.m.

    I seriously wonder whether many of you actually know how to read.

    1. BYU is now locked in for post season bowls through 2013.
    2. The fact that ESPN may be working on some kind of arrangement is not that surprising. They have already brokered games against ND, Texas, TCU, etc, etc.
    3. The greater likelihood is that they would align themselves with a bowl that is waiting certification. Did a great number of you not read the article? It would be played in So. Cal.
    4. Non of this excludes BYU from being able to play in a BCS bowl. Given the kind of teams they will be playing in the next few years, BYU has positioned themselves, that if they win those games, they will get the high ranking, which WILL put them in a BCS bowl.

  • FanofBYU American Fork, UT
    April 28, 2011 6:03 p.m.

    Here's a thought. Hey Ute fans. If Utah doesn't prove that they can win in the PAC, they could wind up playing in the BYU Bowl, or whatever name it will be called.

    Oh, and if BYU should prove that they can beat the likes of Texas and company, they could find themselves playing in BCS games.

    Now for the final thought. How will Ute fans feel if BYU was playing in a BCS bowl while Utah was playing in the BYU bowl? How ironic would that be?

  • Ronald Uharriet SWun City, Ca.
    April 29, 2011 12:54 a.m.

    An independant Bowl, "The Provo Bowl" with invites to ND, TCU, SMU, Utah, and Baylor. If we can not get these teams, extend the invitation to Army,and Navy and throw in Air Force. If we can not get those listed, get any respectable BCS team. Don't lower the status by taking non BCS teams except those mentioned(Independents = AF)

    Don't let it be another New Mexico Bowl type.

    If the Provo Bowl doesn't win the vote, try the BYU Bowl. That has a nice ring to it and will bring recognition to the Bowl. How about the "ESPN Provo Bowl"?

    Stay away from the Cougar Bowl. #1. That's tooooooo cute. #2 Too many other teams claim to be the cougars ie Washington

  • One Nil to the Arsenal! Gilbert, AZ
    April 29, 2011 10:04 a.m.

    Sorry Riddles,

    BYU might have played the Preseason #3 team on the road in 1984 to open the season, but tell me where PITT ended up in the final polls that year? Not in the top 25. We've seen preseason teams ranked way too high (Utah last year, and Oklahoma the year you beat them in Dallas). Why would Washington & Nebraska want to loose Millions of Dollars to play BYU in the less lucrative Holiday bowl? There is more to that story than your letting on also.

    They played nobody that year. Nobody! They received 36 first place votes to Washington's 18. Far from Unanimous. At least Utah beat 4 top 25 teams in 2008, including 2 top 10 teams (TCU & BAMA).

    I hope after we upset you guys at LES this year, we just call it for good. This rivalry needs to end. All you people that post day in and day out need to either get married, get a job, or move out of your parents home. Seriously, does anybody work? Get a life people. There's alot of things to enjoy in this life than sitting in a dark room posting on the web.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    May 1, 2011 12:09 p.m.

    nil one

    "[BYU] received 36 first place votes to Washington's 18. Far from Unanimous."

    Tell me, how many first-place votes has Utah ever received?

    You obviously don't know the difference between concensus and unamimous.

    BYU was selected National Champions by all five major college football organizations that selected a national champion in 1984 (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, and UPI).

    It doesn't matter who you play or who you beat so long as you impress the voters enough with your overall season to be voted #1.

    BYU did that in 1984 (#1 in both major polls).

    Utah didn't come close in the final votes in 2004 (#4/#5) or 2008 (#2/#4).

    In fact, Utah 2004 finished almost idenitical to and Utah 2008 only finished one place higher in the Coaches poll than BYU 1996 (#5,#5).

    Obviously the voters weren't nearly as impressed with Utah's four victories over ranked opponents and Utah's win over Alabama as Utah fans were.

  • jeru0455 SALEM, OR
    July 7, 2011 2:12 p.m.

    Yeah, I'm sure that I'd want to travel to Provo in December. Then again, if Boise can have a game...