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  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    March 31, 2011 12:42 p.m.

    After reading these links it must be said again.

    It's great to be a UTE!!

  • williary Kearns, UT
    March 31, 2011 12:44 p.m.

    Can't wait to see if the Utes end up with $16,000,000 a year, or more! Sounding like the amount will be north of that mark.

    But I'm sure BYU fans would still prefer Independence, right!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    March 31, 2011 12:45 p.m.

    The Mtn. starts the bidding at 2 dollars.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    March 31, 2011 12:55 p.m.

    Some nice comments on the NFL blog on the Utes.

    This one caught my attention... "Zane Taylor... had a vertical jump of 26 1/2 inches."

    Let's see, if Zane who weighs 308 pounds and can jump 26.5 inches why is it so hard for anyone to believe that Jimmer, weighing 195 pounds, jumps 36 inches! Pretty amazing.

    I can definitely acknowledge the athleticism for both of these guys!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    March 31, 2011 1:01 p.m.

    Williary, just a quick comment about your $16 million and north of that.

    The other day it was reported that the USC game might be on Sunday if the NFL doesn't work out their problems. That will be a major bummer for a lot of Ute fans, possibly a majority of them.

    So before you go wishing for the moon just realize that there's a 'price' to be paid. Hope it works out.

  • Ironmomo Ogden, Utah
    March 31, 2011 1:05 p.m.

    From the story's photograph, it appears that the poster next to Larry Scott also shows where Utah will probably finish in the PAC-12 South.

  • BYUCOLORADO Castle Rock, CO
    March 31, 2011 1:06 p.m.

    @williary

    You are not very informed are you Williary. BYU is potentially getting 2.5 million for ONE GAME. BYU will be doing just fine. Also, BYU will have the rights to broadcast all the games on their network, where they get all the advertising dollars. You'd be foolish if you think BYU doesn't make 16 million in a year. Obviously the next year when we play the tiny schools we won't be raking that in, but Utah won't be making much money this year either.

    Get more informed and then comment. If you are thinking BYU is making less than that you are a fool. We have six games scheduled with Notre Dame. Those will be 2 million dollar games for each school easy.

    Independence is great right now. And we won't ever have to play on Sundays (which is important to us, maybe not to you) which the Utes will likely have to do.

  • BYUCOLORADO Castle Rock, CO
    March 31, 2011 1:08 p.m.

    Google "Notre Dame BYU Schedule"

    Check out the SLTrib article. We will be easily bringing in that amount of money.

  • MAFU Salt Lake City, UT
    March 31, 2011 1:20 p.m.

    Price to be paid? Don't think so. The game is in LA at the Coliseum. Moot point. Place will be packed. Won't be a major bummer for Ute Fans, just like it isn't a bummer for LDS Jazz fans that fill the Delta Center when the Jazz have a home playoff game, or the many restaurants that are filled with LDS patrons on the Sabath (See Little/Grand America, Chuck O Rama, etc). Observance of the Sabath Day is pretty relaxed down here in Zion.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    March 31, 2011 1:20 p.m.

    sammyg,

    A very funny mtn. comment. Not being under the reign of Hair Thompson is value enough for BYU going indy.

  • Ibleedcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 31, 2011 1:35 p.m.

    "So before you go wishing for the moon just realize that there's a 'price' to be paid. Hope it works out."

    What exactly are you refering too, please tell enlighten me? Are we talking souls here?

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    March 31, 2011 2:03 p.m.

    I absolutley LOVE the idea of Sunday Ute football!!!

  • TheCrow American Fork, UT
    March 31, 2011 2:06 p.m.

    I think both Utah and BYU will do very well financially. Utah's will be a little delayed - not receiving a full share for a couple of years. BYU's will be less than the 15 million number being thrown around. Regardless, both will be much better off than they were for the last 10 years.

  • utesovertide Salt Lake City, UT
    March 31, 2011 2:09 p.m.

    @BYUCOLORADO

    Haha, I want to let you know that because the Utes are part of the Pac 12 conference, they will get 2 million dollars a year just from the shared championship game (approx. $24 M) revenue. So we get $2 M from ONE GAME too. And we don't necessarily even have to play in it (although we will).

    BYU fans that comment need to keep in mind that the $16+ M from TV revenue is for the regular season. There is an additional $6+ million that will be distributed from the Conference Championship game and Bowl games.

    BYU will probably get $16 M for their TV. But they won't be sharing in revenue from an entire league's success in the post season.

    Can we just call it a truce already and see it for what it is?
    Independence = great for BYU
    Pac 12 = Greater for Utah

  • Laser Iowa City, IA
    March 31, 2011 2:45 p.m.

    Utes won't make 16 mil. They accepted scaled down compensation to enter the league for the first two years. But no matter they will be killing what MWC teams get.

  • redfeather Palo Alto, CA
    March 31, 2011 3:02 p.m.

    utesovertide

    "will get 2 million dollars a year just from the shared championship game"

    Check the fine print. The Utes won't net anywhere close to $2 million dollars for the championship game after expenses.

    On the other hand, the MTN pays about $1.3 million per year per team for all sports. BYU will make almost $1 million this year just from the Ole' Miss game.

    Going Independent to escape the MTN is a no brainer. By not being part of a conference, BYU can schedule 5 or 6 Ole' Miss-type games a year - Texas, TCU, Notre Dame, West Virginia, and Georgia Tech are just the beginning. You'll see those games appearing on BYU's home schedule in the very near future.

    "Independence = great for BYU
    Pac 12 = Greater for Utah"

    We'll see.

    If Utah becomes a perennial middle of the PAC team with regular 7-5 seasons, are Utah fans still going to be excited about all that extra revenue?

    Or, will RES attendance start resembling HC attendance?

  • stokethefire The Planet, Earth
    March 31, 2011 3:27 p.m.

    The Utes will now always be known as part of the .2

  • Arynen Midvale, UT
    March 31, 2011 3:30 p.m.

    willary,

    Considering BYU will be getting anywhere from $750,000 to $3M per game (which starts next year and not in a 3-year gradual build up), and that fact that we control our own broadcasts, yeah... we still prefer independence.

    Grats on your Pac 12 move though. Utah will do well, I'm sure.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    March 31, 2011 4:11 p.m.

    Wow! All the bantering back and forth reminds me of when I was in grade school and used to argue with my friends about whose dad made more money. Reality - both schools chose the best option and both are in a better place than the MWC.

    I still think if it weren't for The MTN, both teams would have stayed and the conference would have received BCS status.

    BYU's path clearly has more risk. But higher risk can equal higher reward. Can you imagine the payout BYU will receive when (not if) they go to a BCS bowl . . . and they don't share it with any other teams in a conference.

    Utah's greatest risk is if independence works fabulously for BYU. Teams like USC and Texas will put more pressure on their conference for a bigger share of the revenue or threaten leaving to go independent. Long term . . . there is no way that USC will accept equal revenue sharing with schools like Utah and Washington State.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    March 31, 2011 4:19 p.m.

    utes have more guaranteed money but less upside. But the truth is utah can only get that kid of revenue through an association with more prestigious schools. That is simply the truth. Regardless they are now going to get it.

    BYU may have a little bit less guaranteed but the upside is MUCH higher. Also everything they generate is theirs. There is now split. There is no division. There is no sharing. They get all of it and they are free to market their sports in multiple ways to bring in even more revenue.

    My guess is BYU makes more money overall, there are just so many ways to squeeze out a few hundred grand here and a few hundred grand there and after awhile it adds up.

    Both schools just improved their situations by 10-20 x over what it was. But BYU was already ahead of utah by 10-15 million per year in revenue and they are also way ahead of utah in facilities so they won't have to spend their money on those things like utah has to.

    Now we'll just have to see what each school accomplishes with what they now have.

  • What Yeah Centerville, UT
    March 31, 2011 4:23 p.m.

    PLEASE OH PLEASE let Comcast get that contract.
    Instead of The Mtn. the Utes can have ThePac12 Network, staring Andrea Loyd.

    Ok, I never could really wish that upon the Utes.

  • Ibleedcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 31, 2011 4:32 p.m.

    "Can you imagine the payout BYU will receive when (not if) they go to a BCS bowl"

    They haven't even been close enough to sniff one yet, but anything can happen I guess. It's good to be optimistic.

    "Utah's greatest risk is if independence works fabulously for BYU. Teams like USC and Texas will put more pressure on their conference for a bigger share of the revenue or threaten leaving to go independent."

    Right USC and Texas are already leaning that direction solely based on the the success of Army, Navy and Notre Dame who all know a little bit more about the independence game.

    Such arrongance!!!

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    March 31, 2011 5:17 p.m.

    MAFU | 1:20 p.m.
    Salt Lake City, UT
    Price to be paid? Don't think so. The game is in LA at the Coliseum. Moot point. Place will be packed.

    ===

    Sorry, when has the "Colisem" been packed? Let alone for the Utah game. Even the Raiders could not pack the place. The Rolling Stones packed the place. Hir Mick and Keith as coaches....

    ..........
    hedgehog | 2:03 p.m.
    Ann Arbor, MI
    I absolutley LOVE the idea of Sunday Ute football!!!

    ===
    Stoked for you. Less of a Utah footprint because soooo many Ute fans will be in church, because most of the Utah fanbase are good LDS people, like prophets, apostles and members of the seventy...

    ...or not...

    .........

    Truth of the matter is both teams are better off now than with the mtn. Utah has probably the best guarantee, which BYU is very close to, but BYU has way more potential on the upside.

    I hope the Utes and BYU do well.

    Utah better focus on getting a basketball coach, and from the looks of things, it just is not happening.

    Dreaming of Dave Rose just will put you even with BYU, and probably won't happen.

    Tommy Connor!

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    March 31, 2011 5:40 p.m.

    I predict within two years Notre Dame will join the Big10. If they had joined this past year the word is they would have been guaranteed more money then what they recieve from NBC. Arrogance will give into the almighty dollar.

    Bottom line is networks are more intrested in conferences then individual programs (of course you have to have the right programs in said conference). I suspect the deal with the PAC12 will exceed all monitary expectations and a "mega" PAC12 is only a few years out.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    March 31, 2011 5:47 p.m.

    Ibleedcrimson

    As they say in the investment world,

    "past success is not a guarantee of future performance"

    Just because Utah has played in a couple of BCS games, doesn't guarantee that Utah will ever play in another BCS game again, at least not soon.

    And the corollary is also true.

    Just because BYU hasn't played in a BCS game, doesn't mean BYU couldn't be playing in a BCS game within a couple of years. 11-2 seasons three of the last five years isn't that far away.

    Prior to 1965, Utah had won 20 conference championships, BYU 0.

    Since 1965, BYU has won 23 conference championships, Utah 6.

    "past success is not a guarantee of future performance"

    and visa versa

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    March 31, 2011 6:21 p.m.

    This just in...

    The Mtn. and Comcast have agreed to create a joint venture college sports network called The MtnCom Sports Network, a regional sports media broadcast company combining the talents of the award winning sports broadcaster, The Mtn. and the expertise of Comcast, a national media distributor through 1000's of cable systems nation wide.

    The decision to join forces fills a regional need of the West Coast and Intermountain collegiate sports media fans to watch the PAC-10.2 conference. Regional broadcast will be limited to Comcast Cable TV subscribers within the PAC-10.2 Conference.

    Negotiations with DishNet and DirectTV have broken down and are not scheduled to resume until later in the year.

    Bidding now at $4

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    March 31, 2011 7:02 p.m.

    That 10.2 comment is just class there sammyg; and you have nerve to say you aren't troll in an earlier post; classic hypocrisy. Really you Y fans coming once again in droves on to a Utah thread offering smack says plenty about you. Even though it is annoying it is in another way quite amusing to see people using the "my Dad could beat up your Dad/my team will get more money than your team, blah blah blah. Confident people/fans don't come on to posts of their rivals and talk baseless smack. I guess we should see it for what it is, nothing more than a sign of many BYU fans jealous and insecure nature; go ahead and prove me wrong but I know you wont.

  • -PSUYB- Scranton, Pennsylvania
    March 31, 2011 7:54 p.m.

    Hedgehog,

    "I predict within two years Notre Dame will join the Big10."

    I am well connected here in the North East, and I can with great confidence say the University of Notre Dame has absolutely no interest in joining a conference. A conference limits teams like Notre Dame and BYU, who both have vast fan bases from their respectable religions across the country.
    The Notre Dame revenue even in down years is over 45 million dollars annually, And is valued at $101 million. They have a future game schedule in Ireland, and are able to keep annual national rivalry games with USC, Stanford, and Miami to name a few. This is the freedom ND enjoys with Independence, and the NBC deal allows ND football to be available to every living room in the country. ND officials and coaches have openly said they have no interest in joining a conference. And why would they? Notre Dame will remain Independent, Texas has also expressed interest in following the trend.

    "Bottom line is networks are more intrested in conferences then individual programs"

    Then why did ESPN sign an 8yr multi-million dollar contract with BYU last year?

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    March 31, 2011 10:09 p.m.

    If Notre Dame joins the Big 10 within two years, I will forever pay hommage to hedgehog.

    Once again, someone is pretending to know something that they don't have a clue about. For starters, NBC's contract with ND goes through 2015.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 31, 2011 10:24 p.m.

    There seems to be an awful lot of cougar folklore regarding $2 million games, yet none that have been substantiated. Would any of you boasters in the "$2 million club" please provide me some Google keywords that backs that claim up?

    Since the DesNews won't permit links, don't cut-&-paste one. Nevertheless, they haven't yet barred posters from providing Google keywords. Just give specific details such as the title of the article, and the name of the periodical wherein it can be verified. It might also be helpful to include the date of the article for better clarification.

  • MAFU Salt Lake City, UT
    March 31, 2011 11:23 p.m.

    @ Veritas:

    Thanks for opining on the defintion of "packed". 75,000 - 80,000 people in the modern day LA Memorial Coliseum (track has been removed, temporary bleachers in one of the end zones, closed off sections with tarps in the form of retired SC numbers) is a pretty good number of folks to me for the PAC - 12 opener. Feel free to get out of Fruit Heights and join us on Exposition BLVD and Figueroa Ave in South Central for a day of urban culture and football.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    April 1, 2011 12:38 a.m.

    BYUColorado, redfeather, Arynen,

    I'm trying to find references to support your claims of $16M for BYU in 2011, and $1.4-$3M games. Please share them.

    The only numbers I can find on BYU's new contract with ESPN say that the Cougars will get $800,000-$1,200,000 per home game.

    Let's say The Worldwide Leader pays the full $1.2M for each BYU home game (a stretch, since I doubt ESPN will be paying full price for Utah State, San Jose State, Idaho State, and New Mexico State). Thats $8.4M for their seven home games.

    That leaves three big (and I imagine very profitable) games on the schedule - Ole Miss, Texas, and TCU. I can't find reference to any payout for these games on the web. To reach the $16M mark, these games would need to bring $7.6M to BYU. If you have evidence to support such a payout, please share it.

    Don't get me wrong, I wish success for both schools. They will definitely both be making a lot more than the measly payout they got from the MWC. I would just rather deal in knowns than in speculation.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    April 1, 2011 5:32 a.m.

    Utah '95

    Good breakdown.

    I have a serious question for BYU fans who know the money situation. Does BYU have to pay a team to come in for all their home games, and does BYU get paid for all their road games? Just curious.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    April 1, 2011 7:45 a.m.

    "There seems to be an awful lot of cougar folklore regarding $2 million games"

    Naval Vet,

    Yes, I have to laugh everytime I read these posts. I suspect a troll made some outlandish claim a few months ago and as usual BYU jumped of the cliff with it.

    I'll be waiting with baited breath to see how the trolls respond. My guess would be some reference to "cougar board".

    LOL!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 1, 2011 8:59 a.m.

    @pocy

    BYU does pay teams that come in and they are also paid by teams when they go to their stadiums. I'm sure you have heard the term "money games" werein a team like USU goes and plays a team like nebraska purely for a large guaranteed payout knowing full well they are going to get throttled.

    This is a guaranty because nebraska knows it will sell out its games no matter who it plays so they will guaranty the team coming in a certain amount.

    Now in the case of larger schools like BYU they will make a home and home agreement with another large school and each will guaranty the other a certain amount for the game they play at each others stadium. Obviously they each make more on the game they play at home but the payouts are still good.

    Since BYU doesn't release the details of those it is hard to know how much goes each direction although there is usually some speculation that appears to be somewhat accurate.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    April 1, 2011 9:12 a.m.

    Thanks Duck

    That's kind of what I figured. Living in Pocatello, I hear a lot about money games for Idaho State. My guess is BYU would love to come out in the black scheduling, but my guess is its probably a wash and they break even.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 1, 2011 9:13 a.m.

    @ute trolls

    Part of being successful using the Google function is the desire to actually find something using it. Undoubtedly none of you have a desire to do that. If you did you would find about 100 different articles on the subject which have a wide disparity in their estimates.

    That said I haven't seen any that estimate 3 million per game. There are some that estimate 2 million for some of the better games and around 1 million for some of the lesser games. Since the contract is only for home games it would be a fair estimate to say they will net somewhere in the 8 million range for a season, maybe 9 or 10 mil if they have a 7th home game.

    But of course that is only for football. They have an arrangement for basketball as well and the estimates there are $300,000 to $600,000 depending on the game. And the lesser sports like baseball, volleyball, womens basketball, etc. are also part of the deal and if espn chooses to broadcast any of those sports there is a payout as well although I am sure it isn't a large one.

  • Ibleedcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 1, 2011 9:52 a.m.

    @BYU trolls

    Please stop comming here and calling us trolls when in essence you are trolling the Utah articles. This drops you from troll status to tool status, and noone, even BYU fans, want to be tools. (that is unless they just can't help it).

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    April 1, 2011 9:54 a.m.

    "There are some that estimate 2 million for some of the better games"

    ducky,

    Still dodging the question. Please sight the specific journal/article/date. The word "some" just doesn't hold water.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 1, 2011 10:23 a.m.

    Wedgie just to help you out Jay Drews blog in the Tribune dated sept 14th 2010 reports that sources from WVU have said that each school will receive 2.25 million for their upcoming game with BYU. There's one.

    Remember the google is your friend. LOL

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 1, 2011 10:52 a.m.

    "Part of being successful using the Google function is the desire to actually find something using it."

    Using the Google keywords "jay drew sept 14 2010 west virginia byu", there are no listed articles that support the alleged $2.25 million payout. Since you didn't provide the title of the article, I'm going to have to assume you didn't read it. Since cougar fans insist on touting that - IMO - made up value, but can't provide verifiable details to substantiate it, I must assume that it is cougarnation that doesn't have the desire. Rather they would prefer to remain ignorant of the facts.

    No matter how much one desires the facts, one can't find an article that doesn't exist.

  • Ibleedcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 1, 2011 10:59 a.m.

    BYU fan math:

    estimate+I've heard+I know a guy that+it seems logical that+if they give (x) school (y) money then BYU should get+I've read+some dude is writting on ESPN = Fact

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    April 1, 2011 11:19 a.m.

    Naval vet,

    Thank you. I attempted to find said 2.2 million dollar article.... it doesn't exist. ducky made it up...once again.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 1, 2011 11:48 a.m.

    Uh that is a ute fans education showing. LOL

    You realize you can actually go to the Tribunes website, follow the links to their blogs and get there that way. LOL

    No wonder none of you knows what you are talking about. Maybe you should have attended a different university?

    LOL

  • brooks Park City, UT
    April 1, 2011 12:45 p.m.

    Why are there so many Cougar fans on this Utah article? Envy?

  • Ibleedcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 1, 2011 1:34 p.m.

    "Why are there so many Cougar fans on this Utah article? Envy?"

    I defer that answer to the Cougar fans, there should be 10 or 15 of the usual suspects posting as I write this...

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 1, 2011 2:26 p.m.

    I absolutely love how ute "fans" like ibleedcrimson whine about BYU fans posting on utah articles. That is one thing I will give the trolls like wedgie and christina credit for is that they don't whine about it because they post on every single BYU article.

    I never whine about them posting on BYU articles either because unlike some of you ute "fans" I realize that there is no rule or policy about fans of one school not being able to follow, and comment on, what occurs at the other school. That is what these things are for.

    But I do enjoy readng the whining by "fans" like ibleedcrimson as it amuses me a great deal.

    Also maybe you haven't noticed but I have some pretty good conversations with some of the Ute fans on here. That is because they are neither trolls nor whiners. I respect those that are respectful and I give disrespect to those that deserve that as well.

  • Ibleedcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 1, 2011 2:37 p.m.

    "That is one thing I will give the trolls like wedgie and christina credit for"

    Birds of a feather!!!

  • The Disillusionist Alexandria, VA
    April 1, 2011 3:51 p.m.

    I bid $1, Bob!

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    April 1, 2011 5:09 p.m.

    Hey Duckhunter, you left the LOL after last post; your trademark. You don't find it strange that you are "LOL" while writing your posts?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 1, 2011 7:01 p.m.

    pebbles I certainly LOL every time I read one of your whiney posts.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    April 6, 2011 9:10 a.m.

    @Utah '95

    You only have half the picture.

    Look, Utah needs the Coat-Tails of others through Conference Affiliaton to survive, you know, pure Socialism.

    That's OK. You think you've lived in BYU's shadow for 40 years? Try USC, UCLA, ASU, Oregon, Washington on for size.

    BYU has it's own Brand, they have their own identity and Cache.
    They have a National TV audience. They "Can" cut their own deals based upon who they are....period!

    BYU's Football Home and Road games will generate between 10-15 million first year.

    Football:

    ESPN Home-games 800k-1.5 million.....up to 8 games

    Road-games-guarantees 1-1.5 million........up to 8 games

    Neutral site games 1.5-2.5 million

    (Oklahoma 1.5 mil.....TCU-BYU 1.5 mil....WVU-BYU 2.5 mil.)

    also:

    BYU-TV can replay all ESPN games same day, and "Monetize" them.

    Non-ESPN games carried live Nationally on BYU-TV are also "Monetized".

    BYU-TV can also "Contract" with local stations for live broadcasts simultaneously.

    BYU basketball brings millions more with ESPN and with BYU-TV doing WCC games as well.

    Bowl revenues stay home.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    April 6, 2011 9:12 a.m.

    correction
    Road games up to 6