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  • jmfay denver, co
    March 5, 2011 5:26 p.m.

    There are already visa programs in place for workers to come to the usa providing there are no legal workers already here to do the work. No reason UT needs its own program and we doubt the feds are going to issue you a waiver for you to do it with so many already out of work here.

    Hope you also have a bill ready for the Gov signature to do away with the drivers card and get with the rest of the country in not helping illegals to exist here.

    Stay strong lawmakers and please get the Gov to sign the bills that will help illegals to leave the state.

  • skinnyreporter Farmington, UT
    March 5, 2011 5:29 p.m.

    This bill is completely unacceptable because it forces police to enforce the law. State and local police should not be forced to enforce federal laws, such as those that prohibit the sale of narcotics. Our officers have much more important things to do, such as keeping people from crossing the double white lines of the HOV lanes. Come to think of it, the HOV lanes are required by the federal government, and if our police don't enforce them, the feds will take away funding for roads. So it's particularly important now to take the focus off immigration and put it into traffic enforcement. Sadly, I realize the state could make millions from the thousands of undocumented workers who are clamoring to pay $2,500 each for work permits. This was one document that undocumented workers clearly want. I wonder if work permits will be available down at the corner documents dealer at a lower price. Probably.

  • Casca Orleans, IN
    March 5, 2011 5:31 p.m.

    Utah's in for a traumatic shock, when the word gets out they are welcoming Guest workers from some Mexican province. Hundreds of thousands will pour in from not just South of the border, but thousands from Arizona and other illegal alien policing states. Thousands more economic illegal nations, will start flooding your schools, hospitals and looking for free welfare handouts.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    March 5, 2011 5:49 p.m.

    @Casca,
    The bill that welcomes the workers from the Mexican province is a different bill. HB116 grants illegals already here in Utah, and any who can manage to get here before May 11th, with permanent guest worker status, IN ADDITION TO the ones coming from the Mexican province.

  • jim l West Jordan, UT
    March 5, 2011 5:59 p.m.

    Illegals protesting? They have human rights, but they dont have the rights here of a us citizen. They also have the right to go home.

  • jmfay denver, co
    March 5, 2011 6:01 p.m.

    Anti: You do know UT has no authority to issue worker permits to illegals? and the bill allowing them from the one Mexican province ties in with the federal system?

    UT would need a waiver as we already said to do the former.

    Casca is right in that UT will be flooded as this is truly a stupid idea since it adds incentives for illegals to come while other states are making it harder for them to exist in their states.

  • BajaRat San Pedro, CA
    March 5, 2011 6:07 p.m.

    Illegal aliens are criminals and parasites, one and all. Practically everything they do on U.S. soil is illegal. They need to be ferreted out, rounded up like cattle, punished for their numerous crimes, then booted back to whence they snuck in from with such extreme prejudice that they will never, ever think of violating our sovereignty again. Enough is enough.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 5, 2011 6:11 p.m.

    When do we taxpaying citizens get to protest about the huge drain on resources created by illegals?

    The bills passed by the Legislature this session already give far too much amnesty and benefits to illegals, so I cannot see that they have any grounds to protest. But, some people are never satisfied with what they get from others.

  • templarreborn Salt Lake City, UT
    March 5, 2011 6:24 p.m.

    In 1953 the US Supreme court ruled that immigrants did not have the rights as described in the US Constitution until they were in this country legally. Kwong Hai Chew v. Colding Template:344 U.S. 590, 596. That has not been changed to date. You are a criminal in Mexico and subject to a long jail sentence and then deportation if you enter that country illegally. Keep that in mind.

  • Informed Voter South Jordan, UT
    March 5, 2011 6:35 p.m.

    I agree with jimI of West Jordan.

  • MaryofAz Fort McDowell, AZ
    March 5, 2011 6:38 p.m.

    Cracks me up. To all you folks up their in Utah, as I feel the wind in my hair from the masses of Mexicans whooshing North to Utah as They are Moving On Up :)
    Man, that will sure make things simpler here in AZ. We could even open up concession stands to make their journey more special. Thanks Utah.

  • trueblue87 Provo, UT
    March 5, 2011 7:01 p.m.

    the group United for Social Justice urging people to call for a veto of the enforcement of businesses being penalized for employing illegals are a joke. Is it "just" for such businesses to get away with paying for cheaper labor while other businesses employing legal immigrants and citizens are following the law? How about we let them also operate their business without a license or without having to pass health inspections? I know these are extremes but the principle is the same.

  • Steve Jensen Herriman, UT
    March 5, 2011 7:09 p.m.

    Illegals are ILLEGAL! Period. They are NOT Citizens are should NOT have ANY say on the issue. ILLEGAL mean against or breaking the Law! How is it justified? Come LEGALLY and follow the laws if you really Love this country.

  • Christy Beaverton, OR
    March 5, 2011 7:50 p.m.

    Like the Irish and the Italians and the Jews and the Chinese who came here for a better life, worked their fingers to the bone, enriched this country, and made it their own, our neighbors to the south are no different.

    They are here, they're not going anywhere, and rather than indulging in round 'em up and ship 'em out fantasies, I suggest you xenophobes put down your torches and welcome them. We badly need immigration reform. We need to fast track these good and decent people on a path to citizenship so that they can start paying income tax!

    Once they are paying into the system like you and I are, what excuse will you use for your bigotry?

    You are drastically to the far right of your own Church on this!

  • Demosthenes Rexburg, ID
    March 5, 2011 8:10 p.m.

    Compassionate behavior that is appropriate for groups or individuals ("love thy neighbor") is not necessarily appropriate for a government that has responsibility for the safety and security of its citizens.

    Immigrants from Mexico are particularly hypocritical in calling for lenient laws when their home government is extremely strict on immigrants.

  • Durfee Eagle Mountain, UT
    March 5, 2011 8:12 p.m.

    It seems that the legislature was so concerned about pleasing everyone that they have succeeded in pleasing no one. We can't just enforce the law because that's not compassionate enough so we have to roll out the welcome mat for anyone that wants to come here illegally. With all the concessions to the illegal immigrants in this bill I'm surprised they have the audacity to rally against it. What they really want is for there to be no consequences to their illegal behaviors. We are expected to look the other way and allow them to do as they please. I loved the bit about Utah doing "ugly" things to them. Well if that is true, they are certainly free to leave.

  • md Smithfield, UT
    March 5, 2011 8:45 p.m.

    Immigrants rights? Why should illegal immigrants have any rights? Sheesh.

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    March 5, 2011 9:15 p.m.

    The first shall be last and the last shall be first. Maybe it's time for those that were forced out to reclaim what was stolen from their forefathers so decades ago. The native "Indians" of the Americas are taking back the lands of their inheritance. This is prophecy in the making.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    March 5, 2011 9:35 p.m.

    I think they had a protest organized, and decided to throw it anyway.

    The bills passed copied current laws already in effect. The enforcement bill is secure communities, and the guest worker bill is the federal government "H" visa.

    Do they think if they complain enough, we will think we won?

    We didn't, we got nothing we didn't already have.

  • JK in S Portland, OR
    March 5, 2011 10:00 p.m.

    What I find so frustrating is the fact that the illegal immigrant community does not want to compromise. These bills will allow them to keep their families together, stay in the state, and actually get paid above minimum wage because they have a legal visa. What do they want? Sheeeesh!

  • slgs5aggie Cedar City, UT
    March 5, 2011 10:27 p.m.

    Of course it is "Opposed", the gravy train might be leaving the station. I guess I would be upset too if the country I had been victimizing all the sudden tried to stop me. Sometimes you just have to put a band aid on an open cut BEFORE you bleed out.

  • Mama Grizzly101 Taylorsville, Utah
    March 5, 2011 10:27 p.m.

    These bills are compassionate and practical, well-thought out--even Rubles was impressed. The illegal immigrants should be happy with what they get. And they get quite a lot of entitlements. What more could they want?

    Let's keep clarifying that these are illegal immigration bills, not legal immigration bills.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    March 5, 2011 10:38 p.m.

    Jonathan Eddy | Maybe it's time for those that were forced out to reclaim what was stolen from their forefathers so decades ago. The native "Indians" of the Americas are taking back the lands of their inheritance. This is prophecy in the making.

    How bogus a statement you make. Which native americans were forced out of the country? None. That means the illegals coming from southern countries are still invaders. As far as the indians of the americas taking back the lands of their inheritance, I believe you are talking about Utah, none of the tribes here in this state were here 1,500 years ago. Some invaded Utah within the last 500 years.

  • cc0623 Roosevelt, utah
    March 5, 2011 11:14 p.m.

    I live on the Utah/Colorado border and I witnessed the results of these bills already. Three large vehicles loaded down with illegals or latinos were heading to Utah from Oklahoma on hwy 40. They stopped for gas and none of them spoke very good English. Is this profiling? You betcha. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it probably is a duck. Utah is going to be over run with illegals before the deadline of May 2011.

  • cc0623 Roosevelt, utah
    March 5, 2011 11:16 p.m.

    The gall of these people! They have no rights! They are not US Citizens! They need to be doing this in Mexico.

  • Emophiliac Vernal, UT
    March 5, 2011 11:30 p.m.

    If there is a list of illegals maintained by the State, then I would certainly hope that a few patriotic Utahns make that list available to, oh, ICE. That would definitely be a defense fund I would contribute to. Definitely beats leaks to Wikileaks.

  • praxis Salt Lake City, UT
    March 5, 2011 11:53 p.m.

    "Like the Irish and the Italians and the Jews and the Chinese who came here for a better life, worked their fingers to the bone, enriched this country, and made it their own, our neighbors to the south are no different." -Christy | 7:50 p.m.

    There is a BIG difference - the Irish, Italians and Jews entered legally through Ellis Island. The Chinese through the port of San Francisco. Those immigrants did not sneak across a border and purposely work to evade and break U.S. laws.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    March 5, 2011 11:59 p.m.

    What makes anyone think that once they have cards allowing them to stay in the state they will stop breaking laws. Just this week the police found 6 people running a false id ring.

    The police probably checked to make sure they had worker papers from Utah then turned them loose again. In order to go to jail you have to be from this country then break the law. Other countries do not have to obey US law, they just have uprisings here and call it a rally.

    I think they are currently have a rally in Libya as well.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    March 6, 2011 12:05 a.m.

    we are encouraging more people here with a May 11th deadline. Might as well offer free food, drinks and gas. I have to question why we not limit it to people in the state on a past day. That was an insult to those here illegally, and to this countries citizens.

    On top of that, this law will be tied up in court for years. So all those people will stay for months, even years. Not wanting to return home, waiting for the amnesty.

    This is a ploy to lure people here illegally, and to keep them here against the law, working in our business illegally, and filling the pockets of business.

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    March 6, 2011 2:27 a.m.

    Christy said:
    "Like the Irish and the Italians and the Jews and the Chinese who came here for a better life, worked their fingers to the bone, enriched this country, and made it their own, our neighbors to the south are no different."

    I'm sorry but you are dead wrong. The vast majority of Illegal Immigrants in Utah are here for one thing only and that is to make money. There loyalty is to Mexico. They send as much as they can back to Mexico. Its a big part of the mexican economy. They have have very little desire or incentive to ever become actual citizens. Do you really think they want to start paying income tax? Why would they?

    Funny you left out the fact that the aforementioned groups came to this country legally.

    While your at it, spare us your name calling, others have done it ad nauseum, we know we're not bigots as we love legal immigrants and welcome them with open arms. You know your losing the argument when you have to resort to name calling and shame tactics.

  • 101Ways Kearns, UT
    March 6, 2011 5:25 a.m.

    These new laws are exactly what the illegals foreign national Mexicans have been wanting, but the $2500 fee to get a permit is what they are whining about. They have bilked the Utah tax payers out of billions of dollars in freebies and they are upset that a fee/fine has been imposed on illegals for a get out of jail free card.

    I think the state already has it planned to waive all the fees and fines. Its not like Utah to make any illegal Mexican pay any cost of supporting them. As governmnet employees they are paid through welfare job as a non resident state employee. A job any citizens would envy, $3,000/mo food stamps, free rent, free health care, free utilities, free education and tuition, and if they can find one, include a tax free income job. If they make $10/hr, their take home is $10/hr with no tax or other employee deductions. The citizens pay 40% of their income ($4/hr of the same $10) to taxes and retirements, SSA, Medicare, Medicaid, etc.

    From the business stand point, owners pocket that 40% they may hold out of an illegals check.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    March 6, 2011 6:10 a.m.

    Nothing was really done. An enforcement program that copied the "secure communities" program that 55% of the state is already using, and a guest worker bill that uses the Federal government's "H" visa that has been available for years.

    Remember how many bills were shot down because they were to expensive, and forced police to work? Well we passed the most expensive one of them. A guest worker program that just sent a big message to the people in Mexico to come here and work. It's going to be run by our police departments (the people to busy for enforcement), and will end up in court, as everyone has told them, it's unconstitutional. It will result in people coming here and camping out for the decision. It's a good thing it probably won't pass. I would head to the state capitol, and tell them next time you give away American jobs, make it your own.

  • DavisMan Clearfield, UT
    March 6, 2011 6:49 a.m.

    Immigration reform is needed, either be here legally or reform and go home.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    March 6, 2011 7:37 a.m.

    A total misrepresentation of the bill.
    There are no stiff enforcement measures, unless you think "encouraging" the use of E-verify and "allowing" immigration screening upon arrest as tough enforcement.
    And gratefully the guest worker program won't pass the court test.
    This isn't AZ's SB1070; not by a long shot.
    The process was hijacked by the Utah Compact; a coalition of biz owners, Chamber people, Latino activists and church do-gooders.

  • MaryofAz Fort McDowell, AZ
    March 6, 2011 7:49 a.m.

    @Christy of Beaverton, OR.
    "Like the Irish and the Italians and the Jews and the Chinese who came here for a better life, worked their fingers to the bone, enriched this country, and made it their own, our neighbors to the south are no different." Sorry "smart" liberal/progressive/likely atheist,pro-abortion 60s activist left over.... the Irish, Italians, Jews, Chinese, Finns, Swedes, etc came in through Ellis Island, doing the appropriate paperwork before coming to America.

    "xenophobes" .......really? You don't know me or any of the other people commenting. I am a friend to all that follow the law. Maybe you need to just be quiet and listen instead of attacking people and issues you don't even know.

  • Mc West Jordan, UT
    March 6, 2011 8:15 a.m.

    The bill is not pleasing to anyone. Nothing short of amnesty will please the latinos here illegally while nothing short of deportation and securing the border will please others. I am somewhere in the middle, but this bill doesn't please me either.

    We need the federal government to open up the application process for quick, easy, and cheap guest worker programs that will allow millions to come here legally to work, not to become citizens, but they have to apply from their own country. DON'T LET THEM GET IT FROM HERE!

    At the same time make it far more difficult to be here illegally. Clamp down on employers that hire illegals, check the immigration status of everyone arrested or stopped for traffic violations, not just latinos. No free medical care, education, or citizenship for children born to illegals here. No benefits or rights unless you are here legally.

    These two steps would cause millions to leave and come back legally. Those who don't will be sorry because it will be far more difficult for them to be here.

    Make it easier to come legally, harder to stay illegally. Anything else will only compound the problem.

  • Jonathan S Salt Lake City, UT
    March 6, 2011 8:42 a.m.

    Quoting Christy at 7:50 pm.

    "Like the Irish and the Italians and the Jews and the Chinese who came here for a better life, worked their fingers to the bone, enriched this country, and made it their own, our neighbors to the south are no different."

    The America those groups immigrated a century ago to did not have the massive welfare state and affirmative action Latinos are eligible for, and benefit from in vast numbers. A lot can change in America in 100 years, and a lot did. Imagine that!

    "We need to fast track these good and decent people on a path to citizenship so that they can start paying income tax!"

    People who make minimum wage, even legally, do not pay income tax. Your knowledge of the tax code is as deficient as your grasp of history.

    "You are drastically to the far right of your own Church on this!"

    An opponent of destructive immigration reading the DN is not necessarily a Mormon. An advocate of tolerance such as yourself should be less inclined to profiling.

  • Jonathan S Salt Lake City, UT
    March 6, 2011 9:15 a.m.

    Hunt said:
    "we love legal immigrants and welcome them with open arms."

    Speak for yourself. I don't welcome the reckless scale of legal immigration, which alone brings in 1 million persons per year. I don't support the quality of legal immigration either, as about 70% of these legal immigrants get in solely because they've been sponsored by a citizen or legal resident.

    Illegal immigration laws need enforcement. Legal immigration, by contrast needs reform, and real reform begins with drastic reduction.

  • Estoban Phoenix, AZ
    March 6, 2011 9:28 a.m.

    Utah has just become California's largest County.

  • tejas washington, utah
    March 6, 2011 9:35 a.m.

    veto this bill, its too weak. do whatever it takes to get the illegals out of utah. and lets vote out of office all that voted for these weak bills.

  • one day... South Jordan, UT
    March 6, 2011 12:32 p.m.

    to Jonathan S | 8:42 a.m. March 6, 2011 "People who make minimum wage, even legally, do not pay income tax"

    Please don't lie to me!!! we all know that they use fake sin#'s but if they work at mcdonalds or any other place, the employee will take taxes from it!

    You attack the latino, but they are here because YOU helped them to be here illegaly, paying low for a lot of hours without benefits or insurance, they take the jobs that YOU don't want to do! it's more easier for you to get the check from the social security than take "any" job!

    I hope one day we can give papers to honest and hard working families here!

  • CJ Murray, UT
    March 6, 2011 2:32 p.m.

    What exactly are these guys trying to prove? Other than irritating everyone to the point that they want to throw them out personally, little was accomplished by this nonsense. What you have here is a group of criminal invaders acting as if their opinion matters to someone other than their own group. (it doesn't). Legal "immigrants" already have rights, illegals don't have any rights and aren't going to get any. March on back to Mexico and take Robles, Anderson, and Yapias with you. Every time I see this baloney it strengthens my resolve to demand my elected representatives do more to enforce the law and throw them all out.
    As for the "guest worker" programs, I can't believe everyone can't see what is really happening here. The illegals have been clearly out politic'd without even knowing it. The politicians passed it knowing full well it will be struck down and trumped by federal law, it is illegal and will never happen. Now Robles and others can all say they pushed the program through. Big Deception. This part of it all is nothing but smoke and mirrors.

  • John C. C. Payson, UT
    March 6, 2011 5:48 p.m.

    We need more legal workers and more legal permanent residents. People build prosperity. Quit thinking we should be so exclusive. If we increase quotas to meet demand, there will be a natural balance point in the supply and demand for labor. Then both sides of the border will benefit. The future belongs to those who share and cooperate, not the hoarders.

  • OneMadGuy Salt Lake, UT
    March 6, 2011 6:16 p.m.

    'Immigrants' rights supporters rally against 'Utah solution'

    "shame on Sandstrom"!

    I agree with the shame part but it is shame on illegals who thumb their noses at our laws and then protest when Americans say we are going to enforce our laws. There are LOTS of Utah citizens that are mad at our represenatives for passing a guest worker program but to have illegals protest any laws we have passed is reprehensible even shameful.

    What right do they think they have to protest any law in the US. They have already shown what they think of our laws by coming here.

    Shame on you.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    March 6, 2011 6:17 p.m.

    one day..., The average person here illegally makes $11,000 per year (PEW). That's not enough to pay taxes if someone has a child. Maybe the $500 minimum.

    The "jobs you would not do" is a lie, taught to people who come here illegally to give as an excuse by business owners and pro-illegal organizations. We know different, and we also know that there are agriculture visas available. People are told that as a defense, a way for these groups to keep them here. A justification for their staying. They tell you you are needed.

    They are lying and using you.

  • franks in ca Twin Peaks, CA
    March 6, 2011 6:43 p.m.

    Speaking from the 3rd world of southern California, I sugguest you make every effort to curb illegal immigration to Utah. If you want to see what happens when you don't, give us a visit. Just be careful where you go.

  • wrz Nuevo Leon, Mexico
    March 6, 2011 8:24 p.m.

    8 US Code Section 1324:

    "Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.

    Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

    A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he

    - assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or

    - encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or

    - knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions."

  • ArizNat Sandy, UT
    March 6, 2011 8:34 p.m.

    Illegal immigrants are again crowding the streets protesting even the modicum of restrictions our amnesty-leaning legislature are considering,while Mexico builds a southern wall.
    The question,notwithstanding the alleged 'conservative' Sutherland Institute and the progressive police chief Chris Burbank, is this: how many illegal immigrants are Utah taxpayers willing to subsidize? One hundred ten thousand? Two hundred thousand? More?
    With Utah burgeoning reputation as an amnesty state (drivers privilege card, in-state tuition rates, Federal and state living assistance, no effective jobs verification) we can most assuredly expect more-much more. Arizona's loss is now our loss.

  • NewsFeed Tooele, UT
    March 6, 2011 10:11 p.m.

    If citizens are asked to have compassion on illegal activity then what is being asked of illegal immigrants in terms of obedience of the laws of the land?

  • MaryofAz Fort McDowell, AZ
    March 6, 2011 10:13 p.m.

    My original comment was denied because I suppose my sarcasm wasn't appreciated. So I will calmly say, with Utah's unbelievable bill, the Mexican's are going to flood your way. And you Deseret News folks will get a taste of what Arizona has been dealing with for decades. Is this a kinder, gentler message???

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    March 6, 2011 10:33 p.m.

    In the next five days, they need to tear the E-Verify from the guest worker bill and let it stand on it's own. I guess they think their constituents are dumb enough not to figure out that when the guest worker bill is killed as unconstitutional, E-verify will be killed also.

    The guest worker bill is an attack on our countries constitution. You can't give people American jobs unless you prove Americans won't work them. It's the law, and taking away a citizens right to feed and house his family is a travesty.

    Arizona put it's citizens first, Utah put it's business first. Right now I am not to proud of Utah. The business lobby only cares about the bottom line, not the future. What kind of country are we leaving our children? Are they better off than 25 years ago? immigration legal yes, illegal immigration is a crime.

  • wrz Nuevo Leon, Mexico
    March 7, 2011 12:53 a.m.

    @JBrady: "You can't give people American jobs unless you prove Americans won't work them."

    Americans will take any job if the wages are there. But wages are being driven down by immigrant labor. They are willing to take any job at any wage. It is much better than they can get in Mexico.

    And even with reduced wages driven down by immigrant labor, Americans will take any job if their unemployment benefits run out and they need money to put food on the table and pay the rent. But, will the government cut unemployment benefits? Not likely. Unemployment benefits have been extended several time to now 99 weeks... almost two years. Why take a job that pays less than what you can make on unemployment sitting on your couch in the living room. What needs to happen is the government to cut unemployment and force people back to work.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    March 7, 2011 1:51 a.m.

    This is not merely an amnesty for illegals currently here or who will be here by May 11, 2011, but also a RETROACTIVE amnesty for virtually anyone who has EVER, EVER lived or worked in Utah at any time in their lifetimes. What this means is that Utah WILL become the illegal-alien vortex of all of North America. This is what Bramble got away with (very much with the approval of Luz Robles, of course).

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    March 7, 2011 3:26 a.m.

    The government won't cut them off. They are being bought off to stop complainants about the illegal immigrants working. If we cut off unemployment, lazy business owners would need to pay fair wages, or be turned in for hiring illegal help.

    That would put many here illegally out of a job, and they would return home. We are spending billions each year in unemployment subsidies to maintain a labor pool for business.

    We really need the unions back. Government has become worthless standing up for the citizens.

  • MaryofAz Fort McDowell, AZ
    March 7, 2011 5:54 a.m.

    *****Thank you Nuevo Leon of Mexico
    8 US Code Section 1324:

    "Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.

    Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

    A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he

    - assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or

    - encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or

    - knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions."

  • SLars Provo, UT
    March 7, 2011 7:50 a.m.

    How can Sandstroms bill be to expensive, because it uses law enforcement, but the guest worker program is OK. The cost was an excuse to the citizens, wasn't it?

    Senator Wrights bill is irresponsible. There is no reason to tie up laws in a court case, the governor needs to reject this one. I think it's just a two year time out anyway.

    Get rid of the drivers permit that does nothing, and mandatory E-Verify for everyone. Utah's citizens should insist on the E-verify.

    Come on legislature, you went with a purpose, and states around us have shown their resolve, our senate has weak knees.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    March 7, 2011 8:16 a.m.

    In Senator Wrights bill, he forgot to mention how we deal with the rest of the 110,000 people here illegally, there are no jobs for?

    And how about all those coming for the May cutoff date? Should we show them where the town of Holden is located? Those are human lives your playing with. People see it's open season on guest worker passes, and many more will come here. (we can't handle what we have now) Many will find no jobs, and our social services will be taxed. People are going to starve, cars break down, etc. only to be turned away. What image will that give the world?

    At least business will have plenty of labor.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    March 7, 2011 10:06 a.m.

    Citizens should email or call the Guv. and tell him you want NOTHING BUT ENFORCEMENT regarding illegal trespassers! He should veto ANY bill that even hints at "guest worker" or amnesty!

    Just a little clarification for those of you who don't understand; illegals commonly will use their stolen SS # to obtain employment. Then at the end of the year they WILL file a tax return in order to qualify for EIC (earned income credit). They usually file "exempt" or 12 exemptions on their tax withholding (w-4). When the check arrives in the mail from the IRS for the EIC, they usually move, or switch to a new "identity". So no, they DON'T PAY ANY federal taxes, and they pay VERY LITTLE sales tax because most of them receive WIC, food stamps, welfare, etc.

    They are very adept at "gaming the system"!

  • dennisthemenace Highland, UT
    March 7, 2011 10:15 a.m.

    Any so-called solution that does not a)regulate and restrict the future flow of illegals into Utah, b) has a negative consequence for the illegals already here for breaking the law, and c) protects Utah from the fiscal burden of 'hosting' illegals here is not a solution. Other than potential federal deportation, there is no disincentive for illegals to not want to come to Utah. Any legislative solution must address this issue if the policies enacted are to be effective. The current proposal is on the right track in many respects...but it's not good enough yet.

  • Trooper55 Williams, AZ
    March 7, 2011 10:35 a.m.

    I say it's about time that the state take the bull by the horn. They shouldn't take and give anything to the people who are not in this county legally. Maybe the state of Utah should follow the way of AZ. and use the Law Enforcement Officer to help enforce the Law.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    March 7, 2011 11:06 a.m.

    Remember, anytime any of us are pulled over, our car license and drivers license are hit against databases searching for potential criminal activity on record and warrants. Not verifying citizenship status could be a form of "reverse discrimination," as non-citizens would be getting favorable treatment by having their crimes hidden.

  • Jazz Bass Man Wellsville, Utah
    March 7, 2011 12:32 p.m.

    Once again, the people who voted these "representatives" have been sold down the river for the greedy businesses and the LA RAZA (the race) activists. Can someone explain to me a legitimate reason why we need a "guest worker" program when we have record high unemployment? And why would we only allow these guest workers to be from mexico? I know of too many teenagers who are trying to find jobs but can't do so because these entry level jobs that used to be filled by our teens are now being filled by illegals, and many of them are being paid under the table.

    If we are to leave our children behind a decent place to live, then we need to make our voices heard to the governor NOT to sign this bill that would turn Utah into a bankrupt California. By enacting this amnesty bill, our state is saying to the rest of the world that we welcome illegals here, and we will be opening the floodgates to Utah all of the illegals who are fleeing Arizona. I swear, our politicians are becoming as corrupt as mexico's. It's time to vote all the bums out.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    March 7, 2011 1:38 p.m.

    If Rocky Whino Anderson is on the other side of this issue.....I am confident I am in the over-whelming majority.....

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    March 7, 2011 4:00 p.m.

    Illegals! You're protesting in the wrong country. Go home and demand your rights. Another option,-go to Canada and demand rights.

  • Carson Provo, UT
    March 7, 2011 4:28 p.m.

    Ask Gov. Herbert to Veto Guest Worker Legislation H B 116..... NumbersUSA is letting us send a free fax. If you're a member go do it, If not join. The Illegals and their supporters have had their march, Now We The People need to flood the Governors office with these faxes... Pass the word we can still make a difference...Don't let the Illegals win this one!

  • awsomeron1 Oahu, HI
    March 7, 2011 6:08 p.m.

    Could we have had the Police check the protestos and see if any of them where Illegal.

    Americans can do any job the illegal can do, if you take away the welfare and make it workfare.

    I am still waiting to see the Obama Admin put their private work force togeather.

    Undocumented means illegal stop pretending that they either have rights (other then to be deported).

    What they want is to be allowed to cross back and forth into the U.S. Without regard to the Border Rules and regs.

    I was in Gremany 1964 to 1967. You may not know this but you got shot if you went over the Border in either direction.

    North Koreans go to China to work and have a better life. They work for Substandard Wages (By China Standards) plus pay protection. Chiense hire they because they are Cheaper Labor, have no rights and if cought will be deported and once again on NK land, Shot.

    In Canada you will be arrested.

    Most Countrys are very picky about their borders enforce the rules with real guns and real bullets.

    This urban myth bout only illegals will do the work is just that. Urban Myth.

  • AmericaInterwest La Quinta, CA
    March 8, 2011 7:52 a.m.

    As illegal immigrants from south of our border and other areas continue to rapidly colonize the southwest for their own purpose, I wonder how people will feel in not to many years from now as they look back at this period. Those who could have spoke up but have muted their voices because they fear crossing the political correctness line will be hard pressed to complain about higher taxes and increasing crime. What about those who will be displaced by illegal immigrants from their jobs and neighborhoods? Will they see the change as progress or regret their silence and inaction? We don't have to just sit and take this unlawful change. It is not wrong or immoral to enforce our laws and protect our borders. As an American it's your privilege and your duty. Tolerance is not complacency.

  • 22ozn44ozglass Southern Utah, UT
    March 8, 2011 10:28 a.m.

    Christy. I find it ironic that you are from Oregon and yet make such a big fuss over Utah immigration laws and policies. If you want to make it easier for illegals to come to your state, be our(utah citizens) guest.

    As others have stated, the immigrants you talked about came here through the approved channels, and they did not arrive with a sense of entitlement. So your comparision between the illegal immigrants of today with the legal immigrants to this country over a hundred years ago, is not valid.

    While there are many illegals who come here and do not commit crime other than entering a soverin nation illegally, there are many serious criminals coming in to this country as illegal immigrants who leave countless victims in their wake from things such as indentity theft, gangs, prostitution, drug trafficking, theft, burglary and last but not least sex offenses. It is estimated that illegals commit over 130,000 sex offences each year. I suggest you look up ICE' operation preditor and Operation Cold Play.

    Our children and our law abiding citizens deserve to be protected from the scourge of crime brought to this nation by illegal immigrants.

  • jcolla01 Chapel Hill, NC
    March 8, 2011 10:44 a.m.

    I agree with part of the "Utah solution" because a guest worker program would be the first step in the right direction for an immigration reform. I am angered by the fact that supporters of illegal immigrant rights are against these new bills. I don't understand why they oppose a guest worker program. If a guest worker program was implemented in the whole United States then the number of illegal immigrants would decrease. Although the number wold decrease, there still would be a problem with illegal immigration. The fact is that until the root of the problem is addressed, there will never be a sensible solution. These groups that support an immigration reform should be protesting to the government of Mexico and other countries where the illegal immigrants come from.

  • orcaone Lehi, UT
    March 8, 2011 1:39 p.m.

    Can you say Special Interests? Have our lawmakers forgotten last November? Once
    again are representitives choose to ignor their constituents, avoid enforcing
    laws already in place and attempt to make being here illegally pain free. Media
    reports "Latinos Increase 78% in last ten years. This is an invasion that takes jobs, lowers our standard of living and increases untold costs for tax payer funded services. Every lawmaker that betrays legal Utah citizens for the
    benefit of business and illegal immigrants needs to be booted out of office. This includes the fence sitting govenor.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    March 9, 2011 9:14 a.m.

    Maybe if these people learned english they would understand the bill. It's illegals that they are wanting to send home. Not legal immigrants. Illegals have zero rights in this nation. They don't belong. When you break the law, your freedome and "rights" are very limited. Same thing with being illegal.

    Now go home to your country. Speak your language and wave your flag there. If you want to live here, then apply legally and learn english and fly the US flag.

    It's that simple.

    Should legal immigration be made easier? I think so. But illegals should not be given amnesty or free passes for breaking our laws.

    Who would Jesus deport? He would deport illegals. Who is Jesus not going to bring through his gate? People that broke the rules.

    Who is Pedro going to steal identity from? A newborn child? An elderly person? A hardworking family?

  • KD Salt Lake City, UT
    March 10, 2011 7:55 a.m.

    Obey, uphold, and respect the laws of land. That's all decent law abiding citizens of this great land are asking. If you can't agree with that, then you don't belong here.

  • NewsFeed Tooele, UT
    March 10, 2011 1:40 p.m.

    15 million+ unemployed Americans, 10 million employed illegal immigrants. Interesting. Besides, this is not about immigrants, it's about illegal immigrants. This is not like the immigrants that helped build America. This is about one ethnic group wanting to monopolize immigration to themselves.

  • Maj1972 Orem, Utah
    March 10, 2011 8:40 p.m.

    This bill will hurt Utah in the long run. We are a country where the rule of law stands. This bill just goes to show that the business sector is wanting the illegals here so that they can be hired and take jobs away from Utahns. Illegals are breaking the law...that is the fact! In this economic time, this bill is not the answer! People need the jobs that the illegals are taking and please don't use the farm excuse! There are other jobs that they are taking...i.e., construction, manufacture, custodial, transportation, shipping and etc. The list is ongoing! Force the reperesentatives to recall this bill and pass a bill that will strip the illegals of all rights to Medicaid, Medicare, SSI, and Food Stamps! Take away free education of children of illegals! Charity starts at home...let us take care of the Citizens of the State of Utah first!

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    April 20, 2011 4:46 p.m.

    If Rocky Anderson is against something, that is enough for me to want to be against it... and visa versa. Very similar to how I feel about the ACLU. Rocky was one of the most controversial politicians in Utah history, and continues to seek attention wherever and whenever he can find it. Since he is officially (and thankfully) no longer in politics, it's surprising the reporter would even mention he was a part of this smallish rally... or anything else.

    To Christy from Oregon: Instead of lecturing Utah about your personal principles, you would be better off spending your time trying to change your own home state laws to make it more "compassionate" to illegals. Then we could just forward on all the would-be amnesty seekers right on up to you in Oregon.