Tim DeChristopher is looking at spending time in a federal prison if convicted,
and there is not parole in the federal system. They do have a good behavior
early release which shaves perhaps 15% of the sentence.Claiming
ignorance of the law was his only option and most juries won't buy it.
I think this phase of the trial is a no_brainier. He admitted he broke the law,
knew he was breaking the law, and was willing to accept the consequences...
That's the definition of "Guilty". So that's not the issue.The real issue is... what will his punishment be?That's where it
will get interesting.---IMO they should make sure the
people who were damaged financially are restored (with a fine his fanclub can
help pay) and then give him a slap on the wrist for his violation (token time in
jail to teach him that civilized society doesn't accept people deciding their
passion nullifies the rule_or_law).--I just hope he can
use the time in jail to balance himself and find LAWFUL ways to help his
cause... and reject unlawful ways of protesting.I hope if he gets
time in jail he won't use that time to become MORE radicalized and determined to
step over the line again if he gets the chance.I would hope that
early_Parole would be based upon proof that he's learned this lesson. I
wouldn't release him if he still thinks his cause nullifies the law.
I would only say one thing to Mr. DeChristopher. Verdict quick, you're gonna be
sick. Verdict slow, you're free to go.
The kind of rational DeChristopher used is what McVeigh and Ayers also used in
bombing Oklahoma and the Pentagon!
There is a disconnect between what DeChristopher says and what his lawyer
Hopefully there are no activist "plants" that made it into the jury
pool. All he needs is 1.Also, the jury finds him guilty or not
guilty. The sentencing comes later, if guilty.
Justice. I hope the bus driver who drove kids to the protest without permission
is charged now.
Now that the Jury has spoken lets give him the max. I am tired of seeing the
economic destruction that tree huggers cause. Maybe it will cause the next tree
hugger that wants to break the law to stop before he breaks the law.
So he was found guilty. I guess his defense attorney's reference to seeing
"tears" in his friends eyes wasn'yt enough to convince the jury that
illegal behavior is OK when your friend is weeping. So much for theatrics and
emotion, even in the closing arguments by the defense----now justice has been
Like I said earlier... a no_brainer, he's guilty. He said he was guilty. Why
would the jury disagree with him?Now to the interesting phase.
What's it going to cost him (or the Sierra Club.. who has promised to pay any
fine he gets).
Looks like the jury did consider DeChristopher's frame of mind when finding him
guilty. He won't be smiling quite as gallantly when he hears how long he'll be
in Federal prison.
Funny thing about this whole deal is that the price of Oil is going out of the
roof and these guys don't get it. We need to be drilling now and they are
stopping the process. they are to blame for the mess we are in now. At what
point will these people accept the fact that we need to drill. 5.00 a gallon or
are they willing to ride bicycle in the snow.
You can rationalize your way to hell- or a Federal Prison. Also, I see he's
wearing clothes that were made partially with petrochemicals, leather shoes, got
to the courthouse in a vehicle that uses oil products, his defense staff sure
don't use solar power or cow manure to power all their computers- you need to
walk the talk!
I smell a rat with the media and the phone. I have no doubt that this could be
used as reason to have the verdict thrown out and retried. I am not an attorney,
so don't take this as gospel. I think we have all seen over the years very lame
reasons why cases are thrown out. I remember the case of a person being tried
for fraud, as they defendent walked out of the courtroom an older lady
said,"Poor man!" When they got back in after the recess the defense
pointed this out, the judge had the lady thrown out and it was later used in an
attempt to have the conviction overturned.Who knows but it makes me
Time for a big fine for the Sierra Club. This self-righteous do-gooder thinks
he has done a good thing. And listening to his emotional friends outside the
courthouse will not help him get his head screwed on right.Bottom
line: The destruction of Rule of Law is much more harmful to the world we live
in than ANY POSSIBLE HARM drilling on a few marginal parcels of land would have
caused. Props to the jury for finding this criminal guilty. Now for the fine
and the time! I hope he likes wearing stripes or orange!
The system worked and the jury decided he broke the law. Frankly, I hope they
give him 5 years and the max fine. Then, let's forget about him.
Too bad these "activists" couldn't find a way to be productive in
society. If you aren't a part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Go
study engineering or biochem and really make a difference. If you can't handle
that, get a good job and pay taxes to help someone else do it.
Excellent! And now for sentencing. I think a proper sentence would be to make
him live his life without lumber, coal, oil or natural gas and any product made
from them. This is, after all, what he wants for the rest of us.....
He should do lots of community service. Get the boy out of his bubble.
"After nearly five hours of deliberation..."Why did it
take five hours? The guy admitted to the crimes. Put him in jail and Drill
I look forward to his sentencing (hope it is long and expensive) but worry that
Sec'ty Salazar will try to pardon him, like he did when he declared the sale
void after Chris got caught.
Those who support him should be charged too.
Congrats Tim. I applaud your effort and am grateful for your willingness to
serve time. Because of you lands were saved. Because of you oil exploration did
not tarnish land. Because of you I am further motivated to stop global warming
and seek an end to pollution. Because of you more are aware of the failing
public discourse available and the power of the corporate machine. Thank you. I
support you despite the many other who do not.
Those who defend him should be charged too.
So he and his goons are committed to breaking the law? Spoken like a true
Marxist. If he weren't going to jail, the president would probably hire him as
his front man.
Richie:I am tired of seeing the environmental chaos corporate
economist cause. I am sick of it. Physically sick. Asthma rates are up, so are
allergies. Why? Pollution. E. coli outbreaks are rampant. Why? Because
manufacturing plants are not inspected often enough. Hundreds of pathogens and
harmful chemicals are in our water supply. Why? Because corporate machines
pollute our water. All in the name of the economy. Your kids are dying in front
of your eyes. We all spray fertilizers and pesticides, pump toxic fuel remnants
into the air and we shout horray and clap our hands! Are you crazy? Yes we are.
We are all completely nuts to think that our thriving economy is doing something
good. I am sick of the economy. Call me what you want. Call me a socialist, a
communist, a terrorist, as long as I am not a capitalist.
The jury was correct. He broke the law and now he should pay the penalty. He
caused monetary damage to others who were lawful and should be both fined and
serve time preferably the maximum.
@freddysheddy Applaud away freddy. What kind of resource do you suppose was
used today in order for you to get online and make your comment? Do you think
that just maybe that power was generated by using coal or wind power or some
other unamed resource that you don't want to explore for? Think about it. We
need to develop the resources we have here in the United States. I for one am
sick and tired of paying upwards of $3.00 per gallon for gas.
Oh good for him. The trial is over, now he can grow his hair back and quit
trying to act like a part of the "power" that he so much hates!!!A true irony. He tries to be a voice against "the man" but
then dresses and acts like "the man" so he can be found in more favor!
Isn't that what he was trying to voice? Acts against the system? But then acts like them. What a hypocrite.
freddysheddy@4:34Do you have any idea where natural resources come
from? Coal? Oil? Natural gas? Lumber? Do you have any idea what your life would
be like if people like Tim DeChristopher got what they wanted? Cold, dark,
It is clear from his fist pump in the picture that he has no remorse whatsoever
for his crimes. I hope the judge takes this into account during sentencing.
1AMomTrue and fair statement, I am using resources. But what is more
important? Your precious 3.00 or the ability to live free of pollution and
sickness, free of economic oppression. I don't want to use resources the way we
are. We are an intelligent people. Where are our mass transit options? And don't
tell me the bus UTA system works, it doesn't. I know. I take it. Do you? Or do
you drive an SUV around town? Do we not realize that we live in a finite world
with finite resources? If we do realize this then why aren't we being more
cautious? Why are we using a system which has an end goal of infinite expansion?
A finite world can't produce infinite expansion. Thus capitalism is doomed from
the outset. Maybe we should stop this system before it is too late. It is
obvious my words aren't working. Nobody likes my comments on here. But
DeChristopher has created a movement and is an instrument for change. That is
why I applaud him. He is starting something--and is far better than me.
Teafortwo:And what happens when the finite world of resources run
out? We will be in a dark, miserable, hungry place that is full of pollutants
and dangerous chemicals. Are we trying to wipe civilization off the map? And
what is with the Des News only allowing 4 comments per story. How can you have a
discourse with only 4 comments. Oh, right, people are tired of reading my rants.
O well. As long as you realize that there is someone in Utah who isn't a drone
sucking in the economy based propaganda machine.
I don't have a problem with activists in protesting things if it's done the
right way.When you cross the line and toss in an illegal act whether it does or
doesn't injure somebody you have to be prosecuted to the full extent of the
law.Sometimes you might be made an example of in court.
Just another lawbreaker considered to be a hero by a few. He can make a name
for himself in prison.
@freddysheddyI hate to break the news to you but capitalism is what made
this country thrive. Because of people like you we are no longer thriving. The
computer you used to type your comment uses electricity and therefore pollutes.
Why are you polluting freddysheddy? Do you own a car? Do you own a home? Do
you have any clothing with polyester? Do you eat? Do you own anything plastic?
If so then you are a hypocrite.
Guilty as charged. Now if we could just him pay the cost for this legal
@ freddysheddy: enough complaining and whining about what you think is wrong -
what are YOU going to do about it to make a difference? What do you think each
of us needs to DO to make a difference. Anyone can complain.
Re: freddysheddy | 4:39 p.m. March 3, 2011 If you're tired of the
chaos corporate economist cause you should stop feeding it. No more trips to
the gas station, food stores, and using electricity is definitely a no no.We can't have our cake and eat it too. Stand up for what you believe
and quit feeding the beast. Of course that will mean not using the internet
..... because that takes energy that could otherwise be used by the common
dale r:"Those who defend him should be charged too.""Those who support him should be charged too."On what
@ freddysheddyI have the feeling that someone else is still paying your
way through life. Perhaps when you begin taking responsibility for your own
upkeep you will be more sensitive to the costs all of us will be forced to incur
in your "idealistic" world.
Too bad the comments here have denigrated from whether or not the law was broken
to the freddydheddy coments and reprisals. My experience years ago (1979) was
when an environmentalist moved to Utah from Massachuetts they said they had just
as soon announce they were a communist as an environmentalist. I replied
"That's because they use the same tactics." My later take on it is
that they were just plain born in the wrong century; they'd fit perfectly in
horse-and-buggy days where everyone grew their own food on their own farm. Of
course medicine has advanced since then, too. Do they want to go back to the
good-old-days for medical attention or just transportation. Tim broke the law
and now he gets to suffer the consequences. Since he's happy about that, what's
the big deal?
The sentence: 5 years hard labor in a Price coal mine.
I agree with 2 bits. The one thing that amazes me is how many "drill here
drill now" people there who would be the first ones to complain when their
property value went down because an oil refinery was built next door. Anyone
want any oil derrick next to the grill and swing set in the backyard??
With all those environmentalist supporting Mr. Dechristopher, We have to protect
our lands from drilling but no problem lets drill the fragile landscapes in the
middle east. Like its been said if you use synthetic materials, eat food not
grown in your backyard. take public transportation, ride a bike, had a flue
shot, or use electricity, then you are responsible for the corporate raping of
the land in the middle east, Mexico, Venzuala. If the Iraq war was for oil,
then you are equally responsible for causing that war by using oil products.
And you can't have solar or wind generated power without the use of oil. So the
next time your out protesting to protect the view in Utah, you are responsible
for the rape of other countries.
Maybe his hippie protester friends can sing him folk songs from the other side
of the prison fence. I say give him a year (two at the most) to think about it
; 10 years seems very excessive for the crime as there are murders who don't
spend that long in jail; just because you don't agree with him doesnt mean he
should be hung out to dry.
There was certainly no injustice here. He got what he deserves.
dtgmajones,When people say "drill here drill now" the word
"here" usually refers to the United States - not every single backyard
anywhere. There are substantial oil deposits found in relatively low populated
areas anyways. A "thank you" check from the govt could appease if
some might be affected. Silly liberals.
Do the crime...do the time.
I have never been to Federal Prison, and the thought of working in the laundry
or the cafeteria for a couple of bucks an hour isn't to exciting. It will take
him a long time to pay back the 1.8 million that he owes. Are his valiant
supporters or the Sierra Club willing to cough up that much?
Tim and his friends want to kill all chickens because they make a mess but they
still want eggs for breakfast. They will get their eggs at the store.If they really want to protest they should stop using products that use oil.
When they do that, then you can believe that they mean what they say. Until
then they are ignorant hypocrites.
Let's see how warm and supportive these "activists" are when
DeChristopher needs donations to pay the fines. Stupid demonstration, complete
waste of time and money.
freddysheddy | 4:39 p.m.Ever consider that the average life
expectancy of someone in the US that lives around all the "bad"
corporations is much higher than parts of the world that don't have them or for
those that lived 150 years ago.Ever consider that some liberal
influence in your life has clouded your objectivity and polluted your mind?
Let's face it, the guy has more courage and strength of conviction than any ten
people who have posted on this thread. Most of you have not done, or will ever
do anything cause that doesn't benefit yourself. Certainly, the huge majority of
you have never served your country. It's hard to look at a man with real
convictions and find ways to justify your lack of the same. This former
serviceman (USMC 74-77) salutes this man who seems fine with drawing a line in
the sand and being willing to accept the consequences. Ask yourself--"Do I
have his guts?" You will probably find yourself sadly lacking.
Yes he broke the law but the law he broke was unjust and was designed only to
help net oil companies money at the expense of the American people. The problem
with going through the "proper channels" is that most of these
channels are designed to help only those with money and power.I hope
that when he gets sentenced that the judge recognizes that the law he broke is
ridiculous and unfair and that the punishment established far exceeds the
act.No man should do more than 6 months for simply disrupting an
auction. It's not like anyone got hurt here.How much jail time did
the people at BP oil get for causing the biggest oil spill in US history because
of pure negligence? That's right zero.
bgl, I'll give that he had guts but I question his common sense as he should
have known that breaking the law would have serious consequences. If he is
willing to take it like a man than I can respect that. To me and many others on
this board, it a matter of national security that we become self sufficient
energy wise but until hydrogen fuel cells or the like are perfected we are stuck
with fossil fuels and needlessly limiting the development of our own resources
(while everyone else exploits theirs) makes no sense from a economic and
national security point of view. In an ideal world there would be no pollution
etc. but 6 billion people in the world trying to survive makes that halcyon
dream. Also wrong O on not serving my country though I doubt Mr.
DeChristopher can say the same.
As one reads the various comments on this board it is very clear that most
utahns can not see the destruction we as a nation are causing being addicted to
oil. We send billions of wealth to nations that hate us, we send billions to
fringe religous nuts who will one day bomb our cities and destroy generations of
wealth. You cry drill here drill now but do not even know that US
consumption is 25% of world demand but our total reserves are less than 3% of
supply. The only way to avoid and end the sucking sound of the pumps is to
demand alternatives now! More power to men like DeChristopher who stand up for
their values, right or wrong at least he had the courage to act, and didnt sit
on the fence!
Re: freddysheddy | 5:02 p.m. March 3, 2011"A finite world can't
produce infinite expansion. Thus capitalism is doomed from the outset. Maybe we
should stop this system before it is too late."Capitalism is
the worst system for fairly distributing our finite resources...except for all
the other systems.Capitalism has given us the medicines and medical
practices that have raised the life expectancies of the entire world. It has
provided a quality of living second to none. Poor people in economically free
countries have a better standard of living than all but the rulers in the
repressive countries.The other systems, Socialism, Communism,
Marxism have only managed to kill 100 million people in the last century. Look
at the numbers killed by the Khmer Rouge, Stalin, Lenin, Hitler, North Korea,
Somalia and so many other countries. Many historians place that total over 100
million.So sure Capitalism is bad, but I wouldn't trade it for
anything else, and neither would you. Your precious "other systems"
wouldn't even let you voice an opinion that wasn't the one given to you.
To all those ANTI-OIL types posting here: There are greater oil reserves in
North Dakota than the middle east. The amount of land required to drill in
Anwar (Alaska) is 2,000 acres, less than the footprint of Salt Lake
International Airport. There is no need to drill "off-shore." There
are trillions of cubic of natural gas that have already been developed. Why not
build cars that run on Natural Gas for the regular price and charge MORE for a
car that runs on Gasoline? Electric cars are no answer, just like ethanol was
no answer, either. So Tim showed real concern about our energy situation by
breaking the law? Wow, that's a stretch to assume that was a responsible
approach! He got his fame; now he can enjoy in it the federal pen, with plenty
of time to fist-pump whenever he wants but there won't be the media around to
show it. In this country we are not out of oil, neither are we out of
politicians that are "private-agenda driven." 'Green' means
"greenbacks" and is far more expensive--please explain why that is
true if it is soooo desirable!
All DeChristopher supporters who used fossil fuel (natural gas) to heat their
homes or apartments or who rode a fossil fuel powered vehicle (bus, train or
automobile) to the courthouse are hypocrites. And using an electric car should
not absolve them of responsibility as in this area almost all electricity comes
from fossil fuels or hydro, which is generated by turbines in dams that are
universally opposed by the environmental extremists. The extremists have plenty
of complaints but no viable solutions except for reducing human populations.
They are opposed to nuclear power, which has had minimal impact on the
environment in the U.S., but they like windmill generators, which knock
migratory birds out of the sky, ruin the scenery and destroy wildlife habitat
because roads are needed for maintenance workers to reach the generators. The
chief reason cited for opposing the use of fossil fuels is the man-caused global
warming junk science, universally loved by liberal profs while ignoring contrary
evidence even as much of the northern hemisphere has suffered through one of the
most severe winters in years and as the arctic ice cap expands.
There may be a few of you who would consider studying what Civil Disobedience
means and how it has effected societies in the past.
Just so we are the same page, the clenched fist has been the symbol of
Revolutionary Communism since the 1920's. Very, very common in Communist motif.
This is not to say that DeCristopher et al are active Communists, just noting
the realy history on the clenched fist.
First Tim DeChristopher tells the jury he didn't understand what he was doing
was wrong and now the convicted criminal tells his supporters he'd do it all
again.I submit that he wasn't telling the truth then ..... or now.
He will be long forgotten by the time he gets out of federal prison. Once out
he'll still be looking at the mega-fine the judge is going to tack on.
This is indeed a very good example for the difference of Criminal and
"Civil Disobedience". People need to learn lessons like this. Good for
Utah and for the nation.
I'm amazed at all the protesters he has had out there for days. If gas gets to
5 dollars a gallon this summer there are going to be even more people protesting
that we haven't done enough. I'm for a livable planet, but I can't live with $5
a gallon gas.
Good verdict. Max sentence warranted. Pre-meditated. Look at Wisconsin and
Indiana, sacked out libs think they are above the law. Even Obama picks and
chooses what laws he will enforce. All despicable.
Nice photo of dechrisopher and his defiant tyrannical communist fist pump. I
hope he intends to live like his comrades and live in depressing government
apartments, and ride a bicycle to his government job.
Remember,Time will tell, history is filled with those that... Conservatives never become heroes for what they believe in.Tim DeChristopher is guilty but in the history books he will be a hero.Re: "TRUTH" 12:13McVeigh and the bombing Oklahoma is
a radical conservative movement.
Each of us dislike some feature of our government. Each of us make decisions
every day with how we cope with our government and how we can influence our
government. Every day we can choose to follow our laws. Every year we can
choose to pay taxes. We can choose to get our cars inspected every year. But
their are consequences to our decisions.I guess he got what he
wanted. Some call it civil disobedience. Some call it an eyeroll. A few may
remember that he botched that one auction. But most of us will move forward,
trying to figure out how we can afford to move towards alternative forms of
A lamb in the courtroom, Lion on the steps of the courtroom after. HHmmmmm.
Who in their right mind could support this guy? He is a criminal, pure and
simple. He did nothing heroic or moral.
Even with the best of intentions, it's not nice to commit fraud.
Does anone in this state or country care that the land purchase auction was
illegal to begin with. A federal judge recognized this fact after the act of
defiance that Mr.Decristopher committed. If not for his courageous actions
thousands of acres of illegally purchased land would now be in the hands of oil
and gas developers. Do you want this kind of illegal deal taking place without
your knowledge or input as a Utahn? We should be thanking Mr. Decristopher for
exposing this illegal deal that almost took place,that all responsible Voters
and tax payers should know when their public and state land is being sold is not
to much to ask from our governing officials. This trial should only have
happened if this was a legal auction.
YES....Salt Lake City was named the #9 most toxic. We have poor
air, poor water and poor soil. Our children our born with more problems
"autism on the rise" & Record number of children born with
disabilities" because of what we are putting into our bodies.What do we get from the conservatives: More bad air, water and soil, more
cuts for industry, less money to help what we are causing, (cuts to education
and social services)."Forbes ranks Utah capital No. 9 because
of pollution issues" thanks to all you great conservatives we get to live
in this toxic environment.When the 18 BYU professors write that
global climate change is real, what do me get; conservative law makers are being
upset that they can not control them with their purse strings, (to shut them up
like they do with the USU and Utah professors). Our conservative law makers
think about making money for themselves.Time will tell when Tim
DeChristopher is labeled the hero.
I hope DeChristopher's supporters are all there to protest and help me when I
defy an unjust government who passed a law against me riding my dirt bike in a
wilderness area! Thanks for the words of inspiration DeChristopher. Let's ride.
Does anyone care that the banking and housing crisis is due to "FRAUD"
Lets go after the real perpetrators whom we are all so upset with for causing
this mess we are facing financially, and hold these people responsible for our
economic hardships. Not one major figure in the investment world has been sent
to prison for defrauding the American people out of Billions of $$$. Open your
minds and voice your anger and distrust at the real criminals, "Corrupt
Wall street investors!"
If the eyes are the windows to the sould he is scared to death. His appearance
after the guilty verdict seem to show that he is not the same fighter he was
hours before. There is a way to make statements but breaking the law brings
consequences. I don't think if he had the chance he would take the same
If I am going to have to pay $5 a gallon in order to drive to see my framily
once in a while....I want it to be on US Oil, even though controlled by the
world market, not Arab, or anti US controlled oil. I am sorry President Obama, I
just do not have the huge income to be able to afford a little "green
machine" that you promote as a substitute for US Oil. My present car will
probably be my last car, and it runs on gasoline. Let us get real. Mr.
Christopher will be a symbol of those who have unrealistic hope for the future
of transportation and electricity coming out of nowhere.
Don't you get tired of people being termed activists? In today's world, for the
most part, it has come to mean an overaged, unemployed student with time on
their hands. Basicaly the failure to launch types that still live with their
parents. In Mr. DeChristopher's case he is nothing more than a common convicted
felon. Hero? Courageous? I think not. Most criminals exhibit some type of
warped courage as they go about breaking laws. He is no different. He has had
his 15 minutes of infamy. He and his band of sobbing misfits can carry out
their crusade from the point of the mountain where I'm sure he will find more
loyal supporters. As far as climate change is concerned.... of course there is
climate change. It has been with us since the beginning of time. Dramatic
periods of warming and cooling which will continue regardless of the silly
efforts of these misguided "activists".
Freddy;Move to Alaska. I would like to see Urban areas with less
pollution but this type of action by DeChristopher cost taxpayers millions of
dollars. I hope he spends significant time in prison and doesn't get out until
he pays every cent that was spent on this ridiculous fiasco.The government
is rewarding auto makers for enviro-friendly product. There are Billions of
dollars at stake for the oil business and they will do everything in their power
to make sure consumers everywhere pay them as much as they can get for their
product. They buy politicians and influence every decision regarding oil
production and development. The inhibit efforts to curb fossil fuel use. Attack
If we keep listening to the fringes, the middle will suffer.
No. 9 Most toxic, Thank you conservatives - may all our children not suffer to
badly.Yes more tax cuts for the industries that hurt our
children.Less money for our children in education and those that are
disabled.THE CONSERVATIVE WAY.
Justice has prevailed.
The penalty phase is what will be interesting. There was no question he was
guilty now. He's been convicted, that part's over.---I
hope people who see him as a hero... or want to emulate him think before they
leap. There are consequences with Felony Convictions (regardless of the fine or
prison time he gets).#1. He can't vote. Convicted Felons can't
register to vote in Utah. We don't want our leaders selected by Felons.#2. He can't own a gun. If he tries to buy a gun the background check
will reveal that he is a felon, prevented by law from owning guns.#3. His employment prospects become much narrower. Many responsible jobs
(jobs requiring security clearance, jobs where you have to be trusted to handle
people's money, teaching, etc... don't hire convicted Felons)---He's given up a lot for his cause.Just THINK about what
you're doing before you just impulsively jump into something like he did.
There is a line in the story, which has been repeated in various forms in the
comments section, indicating that Sec. Salazar said the auction was improper.
There was a review of the auction by the Office of Inspector General for the
Dept. of Interior (OIG). While the entire report has not yet been released,
there was a memo dated Dec. 29, 2009, from the OIG to Sec. Salazar that
indicated Our investigation found no evidence to support the allegation that
undue pressure was exerted on BLM personnel to complete the RMPs so that
previously deferred lease parcels could be included in the lease sale prior to a
change in White House administration. The Deseret News did a story about this
memo. The auction apparently was totally legit under BLM rules. It is a
disservice to the employees of the BLM to accuse them of violating the
requirements for approving a parcel for auction. I have worked with many BLM
employees in my career and while I do not always agree with the direction they
want to go, I have always respected there efforts in following the rules.
He should have to pay back what he bid on to the oil companies with interest.
The parcels he bid on should go back on the market for sale. We have to many
enviromenalits that have caused havic to our country. If you want to know a
true envirmentalist it is a farmer. They take care of the ground, if they don't
they make no living. They know what areas to farm and how to utilize what they
have to make a living. Compare this to the enviromentalist of today they want
to shut down every thing. They want to put land off limits so no one can enjoy.
They say they do it for the people but they do it so the resources can't be
used. They force their agenda on others and this has caused prices on all
products we use to go up in price. They want to clean the enviroment and some
of what they have done is far worse than what was used in the past. What will
the enviromentilist say when their is no fuel or food?
I hope the Utah lawmakers get involved and give him a driving card and let him
do whatever he wants. All he did was something illegal and the other illegals
are getting amnesty thanks to our lawmakers.He supposedly owes 1.5
Million for bids he cannot consumate. That is a drop in the bucket the state
pays to educate the illegals and that number is a percentage of what the state
pays for their healthcare. We are talking hundreds of millions of taxpayer
dollars.Although I don't agree with what he did it is a far cry from
the crime perpetrated by illegals here on a daily basis.If something
is illegal then apply justice across the board, it is not fair to pick and
choose who has to obey the law.
Teafortwo: I thank this is a very good idea for all of us,back to
basics.-----------------If only we could.----- we may still be able to save the
Freddy, 5;05 pm 3-3-2011. you can still recommend!--I believe we can all do
something to help save our sick planet. think about it.=turn of the t.v.,plant a
tree,a garden,anything green inside or out.Walk or ride a bike. Don't drive
unless you have to. We can be in control if we learn to do it. If we stop buying
gas the price will come down. We the people need to talk to each other and do
things to help. Use cold water to rinse the dishes,use fewer chemicals, slow
down and think! look at what we are doing to the west. We are following the same
plan they used in the far east to turn the forest to dust. We are getting more
mud slides,more floods,more bear ground every where you look.If we the people do
not do something to change this no one will stop mother earth from dying.