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  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2011 10:01 p.m.

    41% Strongly Favor
    30% Somewhat Favor
    8% Somewhat Oppose
    16% Strongly Oppose
    5% Don't know

    This poll is vague...it never defines Amnesty or welfare/healthcare benefits

    This poll is so bogus...it typifies a Dan Jones Liberal Slanted poll.....

    Why don't you ask two questions:

    Do you favor/oppose Guest-Work Program for all Illegals with a path to amnesty?

    or

    Do you favor/oppose Illegals receiving govt funded welfare/health benefits?

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    Feb. 20, 2011 10:01 p.m.

    I bet most Utahns would favor receiving a large check in the mail too.

    Lets see what can we do to make the illegals legal?

    According to the law lock them up or send them home, sorry but their geographical closeness to the USA should not preclude this country from inviting those who have legally applied and are still on lists from coming before the outlaws settle.

  • OneMadGuy Salt Lake, UT
    Feb. 20, 2011 10:04 p.m.

    So Dan Jones surveys 496 Utahans and he can speak for the whole population of the state? I don't think so.

    And the poll found 71 percent of residents like the idea of state-issued work permits for illegal aliens. I don't think so.

    Just look at the comments on these illegal alien news stories. That doesn't look like 71% approval to me.

    So SB60 promotes state-issued work permits, criminal background checks and English proficiency.

    How about English as the official language, catch the criminals and no state-issued permits.

    We should not reward illegal behavior by granting amnesty to illegal aliens.

    Failing to enforce immigration laws fosters a climate of disrespect for law and furthers law breaking.

    The last thing we need these days.

    MadGuy

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 20, 2011 10:50 p.m.

    It is outrageous that any Utah legislator, having taken an oath to obey our laws and defend the Constitution would even think of offering a bill to essentially ignore flagrant violation of immigration laws by granting some phony "guest worker" card.

    Please amend it to allow taxpayers to pick any three laws they don't want to obey and give out cards so they can do that!

  • legalimmigrant Springville, Utah
    Feb. 20, 2011 11:38 p.m.

    Please count my vote: I strongly oppose a guest worker program for illegals.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 12:31 a.m.

    Lost your credibility with this one.

    A worker program is illegal, you cannot hire a foreign worker for a job that can be filled by an American in your area. Nor can hiring a foreign worker depress wages in the area in the same area of work (see the H-1A Visa laws)

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 1:34 a.m.

    Here is the question I'd like asked.

    The Utah legislator is looking to pass a bill that would reward illegal aliens with worker permits despite the fact that most have compromised our nations sovereignty and have purposefully committed felony's such as identity theft and fraud. Do you support or oppose granting these law breakers work permit's which would allow them to stay in the country indefinitely at the expense of legal Guest Workers and U.S. Citizens who currently cannot find work?

    Who wants to bet I could get the exact opposite results as Dan Jones?

    The Deseret News funded this poll. No one should be surprised at the result when taking into account the "news" papers ongoing effort to sway opinion on illegal immigration.

  • bakron Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 2:29 a.m.

    Those entering this country illegally are correctly termed illegal immigrant. They are in our country illegally because they didnt comply with immigration law. What part of illegal immigrant do our state lawmakers not understand?

    How many illegal activities are involved in just one person being in this country illegally? Multiply that how many times?

    How much does one illegal immigrant cost when services (health, social services, etc) to that person are counted? Multiply that how many times?

    How many jobs do Illegal immigrants take in the building industry, farming industry, food industry, and many other types of industries? These jobs belong to Utah legal residents.

    The impact of illegal immigration has devastated the economy, educational system, and other services in California. If Utah doesnt treat illegal immigration for what it is, illegal, Utah will go the way of California, BROKE.

    Were is the political will to do the right thing in Utah? There is really no winning solution because lawmakers will not stand to face the dragon.

    Utah, look the dragon in the eye and see reality; Arizona has.

  • Here is Sub Zero Now Plain Zero Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 3:11 a.m.

    Your test results would be better if you took 100's of samples of 400 people and averaged the means of all of the samples to find a mean that better resembles the population mean. When you only take one extreme sample of an entire population, you cannot generalize that the mean of the sample represents the population. Try again.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 3:33 a.m.

    I sure would like to see exactly how the questions were couched. It probably would reveal a good deal about the value of this poll.

    "...likely in the hundreds of dollars..."

    And why in the world would they do this? Burbank looks the other way and instructs his officers anyway, to do likewise. Why would the illegal not instead simply save his hundreds of dollars and just carry on as usual? And when did they ever care about obeying the law?

    And if the $20M is true, it certainly signifies the presence of a large number of illegals in Utah not doesn't it! Of course, they are consuming MANY times more than that $20M!

    The bill is meaningless -- except as an illegal alien magnet.

  • Bryan Syracuse, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 3:43 a.m.

    I don't know about this poll. It seems that many other polls have shown that Utahns strongly favor enforcement only bills with NO provisions for any amnesty. Something smells fishy here.

  • sosueme534 Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 3:53 a.m.

    This is so typical of a no-longer-free-press!!!!!
    trying to make people believe this garbage is so not true. So deseret news you will no longer be watched as a news worthy paper. it is time to stop letting these owned{ not free press}. people try to manipulate public opinion with propaganda so the rest of us will vote the way they want us to,we are not going to accept the illegials so forget it.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    Feb. 21, 2011 4:48 a.m.

    Those numbers are just to far fetched to be believable. 496 out of 2,784,572 people is way to small of a sample size to be considered credible. It could easily be influenced by calling certain neighborhoods.

    With over 100,000 Utahns out of work, a guest worker program should never be considered

    A background check would reveal multiple criminal offenses such as stolen ID's, social security numbers, working in the country illegally (all felonies) No one illegally in the country would be able to pass it.

  • J. Adams Sandy, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 5:25 a.m.

    Another worthless poll by D.J./ D.N. The real facts support the majority of Utahns opposed to any form of amnesty or worker cards. Come on D.N., report the whole story.

  • 2funny midvale, utah
    Feb. 21, 2011 5:35 a.m.

    I do not believe Utah favors this bill. They more than likely polled the companies that are hiring them, or the illegals themselves. Utahans favor getting them out of our country. If this continues, Utah is going to see an up-rising like we are seeing in the middle east. I for one will be right in the middle of it!

  • Rosebyanyothername Home Town USA, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 6:02 a.m.

    It depends on who is asked in the sample for this survey. I don't accept what the results for the same reason it could be biased and asked in the Hispanic community in the majority. These results are skewed, and not acceptable.
    I don't buy any of this bull-loney. If a legislator is elected you would at least expect them to honor, and sustain the Constitution, State laws and stop this nonsense with the "Utah Compact" it does not represent UTAH!! It should be renamed, the "Illegal Immigration Compact." Let's call it what it really is.

    Sandstrom's bill proposal passed in the house. What does that tell you, Ms. Robles?

    Do what is right and let the consequences follow.

  • tom_e Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 6:26 a.m.

    The Deseret News will continue doing polls until they have the results they desire.

  • Emophiliac Vernal, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 6:49 a.m.

    Did Dan Jones get its list of phone numbers from the Salt Lake Chamber of Commerce? That's the only way I can figure how they got a majority of Utahns wanting some program for illegals.

  • rbgntx Kaufman, TX
    Feb. 21, 2011 7:05 a.m.

    The comments of Mr. Alvarez in the last couple of sentences of the article sum up the futility of this legislation. A state issued work permit has no value when presented to a federal immigration official. The permit also does not preclude federal penalties for employers should the fed ever decide to actually enforce those laws. This is a waste of the legislature's time.

  • jim l West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 7:06 a.m.

    The DN is as fair and unbaised as Dan Jones?

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 8:06 a.m.

    Boo ya

    a get out of Jail Free card

    hope the legislation is not considering this

  • leer Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 8:12 a.m.

    Dan Jones you've done it again, another bogus poll packaged nicely with media support! Really wish you would stop conducting biased polls and permeating the public with half baked questions and strategically designed outcomes. Americans are smarter and more aware than you think! True journalism appears to be dead in Utah, how sad.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    Feb. 21, 2011 8:15 a.m.

    The fiscal note is a joke. It only includes possible income, and lacks any information on cost.

    We would need enforcement, administration, cost of Utahns put out of work, cost for the Utah taxpayers in social services, schooling etc.

    And ignores the fact that every child born to a guest worker would gain citizenship. A very sneaky back door.

  • Hey It's Me Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 8:25 a.m.

    At this point that I am writing this there were 19 comments all of which basically against guest worker passes. I took a poll as legit as Dan Jones did, and all the people I talked to were against guest worker passes. Where did he find the people to call for this poll. Obviously they were the people who would hire illegals or already do. There are still so many legal Amercians out of jobs,I don't get why we should give any we do have to illegals. I don't think we can afford to support a whole state of illegals. You pass this and all the illegals from every other state will move to Utah. This is a great place to live and I love the different cultures that are here in Utah, most of these other people did it legally, they didn't live on the border and jump a fence. If this passes we need to call Webster Dictionary and change the definition of illegal

  • UnKnown85 tooele, ut
    Feb. 21, 2011 8:33 a.m.

    Wow, if the poll was accurate, wouldnt I be reading more comments supporting the poll results? I think the comment bored is what 19 against 0 for?

  • chilly Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 8:52 a.m.

    When I see "Dan Jones Poll" on my caller ID, I don't even bother answering the phone. The questions are designed to push responses in one direction.

    Attention Des News: We see what you are doing!

  • mornixuur Layton, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 8:55 a.m.

    For people complaining about the wording: I haven't seen a single one of yousuggest wording that would be unbiased. Of course, I see you'd be happy with poll wording that is biased in the direction you'd prefer.

    For people complaining about the size of the statistical sampling: I didn't see you complain when Dan Jones took a sample of roughly the same size and proclaimed Mitt Romney a frontrunner. If done correctly, a sample size of less than 1% can measure a larger base with a reasonable margin of error. If you're going to claim it was not done correctly, the burden of proof is now upon you.

    And for those claiming it was wrong because comments on here are skewed differently? You don't necessarily a large group. You simply have a more vocal group.

    Lastly: It is fair to say a more informative poll could have been taken asking people which they preferred: Sandstrom's bill, or Robles' bill. The statistics here really only show that mostpeople want SOME sort of regulation. We'd know better if they could have chosen one or the other.

  • mkSdd3 Ogden, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 8:59 a.m.

    the term Guest Worker permit is ridiculous. The word guest implies that they would eventually leave and go home. That is completely against what the goal of this program is. It should be called Gateway to permanent residence permits.

    These guest workers will have children while they are here. These children are now US Citizens because there parents were here legally. Once these these guests have children that are citizens they have a pathway open for them selves to be made a permanent resident.

    We do not need another loophole for citizenship. We need to obey the immigration laws. They are there for a purpose, and that purpose is not just to see how creative we can get at getting around the law.

    Stop the insanity. Don't let these types of programs get started, it will cause more immigration issues, not fix them.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 9:00 a.m.

    I wonder if Dan Jones told those polled that the law would violate both the Utah and US constitutions?

    I doubt it.

    I wonder of Don Jones told those polled that for an illegal to meet one of the requirements of the law, being currently employed, that the illegal would have to be breaking at least one of two laws. they cannot work without a valid taxpayer ID number, so they are either guilty of tax evasion or identity theft, or both. So they are compounding their illegal status by commiting other crimes.

    I doubt it.

  • lawenforcementfromAZ Glendale, AZ
    Feb. 21, 2011 9:12 a.m.

    I find the comments interesting and thought provoking. But no one has addressed the fact that our nation, and most states, are broke - not going broke, but broke. And millions of legal, lawful US Citizens are out of work.

    And now you have legislators who want to pass a law, which is illegal, to allow those here illegally - to continue to take our jobs, receive welfare, drive up healthcare costs, etc.

    What am I missing here? Could it be logic?

  • facts_r_stubborn Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 9:13 a.m.

    In typical fashion, bloggers who don't like the results of polls, claim that there must be some conspiracy or bias going on. Fact is, they love to cite polls that support their narrow and ignorant views when they see them.

    Having said that, I oppose a state only solution for a guest worker program. I commend Mr. Alvarez for having the common sense so many citizens, bloggers, legislators and poll respondants seem to lack.

    The fact is that for both enforcment and benefit side reforms, Congress, not state legislatures must take action. On the enforcment side excellent federal laws and programs already exist such as Secure Communities and 287(g). These are much more effective ICE/local coordinated enforcement programs than anything state law could accomplish.

    On the benefit side, the state can't grant a right to work that is against federal law. Even if they could, it would only make Utah a magnet for illegal aliens from other states who may misleadingly see Utah as a safe haven and a place to get work.

    The legislature should confine its efforts to a support role, following the federal lead and not reinventing the wheel to no avail.

  • facts_r_stubborn Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 9:22 a.m.

    @UnKnown85,

    You are almost correct about your unofficial blog poll. The blog ayes have it! Your amazing leap of logic can't be missed here though.

    Your blogger friends claim that the scientific poll by Dan Jones is bogus, and use as evidence this blog with about 25 bloggers. That is one of the most nonsensical things I've ever heard, (since the last time I read blog comments.) It only further proves my firm belief about how ungrounded and wild blog opinions really are. If you think the media is biased, just read a blog!

    According to you, we can scrap our representive form of government and just take blog polls to set public policy. Better yet, lets just place a voter button in everyone's home that you can push an unlimited number of times. The more you push the more likely your view will prevail.

  • desertrider Saint George, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 9:47 a.m.

    We already have a guest work permit. Its called a WORK VISA! Get one or get out.

  • CJ Murray, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 9:50 a.m.

    I am quite sure they took this poll in Rose Park and were paid to find by the DN to find this result. It doesn't matter anyway because all the polls in the world aren't going to make this monument to stupidity of a bill legal and it isn't going to change the fact that real polls show the majority of Utahns want the law enforced and illegals out of here.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 10:14 a.m.

    Polling conducted in the parking lots of latin food stores doesn't count. Dan Jones needs to contact actual residents next time!

  • John C. C. Payson, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 10:17 a.m.

    Hey, is this a republic or democracy? Ask Senator Bramble. Responding to 2008 referendum issues:

    Monday, Senate Majority Leader Curt Bramble, R-Provo, told the Deseret News editorial board that government doesn't work best when elected representatives are constantly, and frivolously, overruled by the citizens they are elected to make decisions for. In other words, the pure democracy of initiatives and referendums doesn't work well compared to the republican form of government of elected representatives.

    I see nothing wrong with "representatives" listening to the will of the people.

  • fisher riverton, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 10:24 a.m.

    A guest workers program would open the immigration flood gates to Utah. We would become the top destination for illegals with or without work permits. Can you imagine how many people would come to Utah in hopes of getting a work permit? It would make the problem worse not better.

  • DougB Spanish Fork, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 10:26 a.m.

    I'm astounded at the heartless and racist comments that fill this board. Almost every one of my family lines ties back to British immigrants that arrived in America before 1700. On the Mayflower and whatnot.

    They came for various reasons. Looking for greater freedom of religion or economic improvements ranked high on the list. There certainly were no xenophobic or racist quotas preventing British immigration at the time. I can't say all of my ancestors respected the laws of the land or integrated well with those living here. Some did. Some were great friends to the Indian nations, and I like to read those histories. But indubitably I have ancestors among the greater majority that did not.

    America should be open to *all* who desire to be free. Those that come now -- even from Mexico -- are more respectful and better integrated than my ancestors were.

    Too many here act like the rameumptom Zoramites blasphemously claiming birthright superiority and denying any brotherhood or opportunity to those currently less wealthy.

    So-called "illegals" do not consume the majority of our "entitlements" nor do they commit the majority of crime. Why do people keep repeating such obvious lies?

  • Hotrod Sandy, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 11:11 a.m.

    DougB, of course you are going to call people who want to control the illegal immigrant problem racist. Do you know why we have borders? So we don't end up like the other countries. Look at Mexico, they are controlled by drug lords. Did you know we already tried amnesty, it doesn't work! Yes, citizens deserve more rights than the people who come here illegally, reguardless of where they came from. Do you realize that it is a crime when illegals steal social security cards from children. Also, you said that illegals don't commit crimes? They committ a crime by being here illegally! Also, have you noticed that the people running the pirated films were illegal, and in the same report the person the news reporter was interviewing stated that most illegals committ some sort of crime. Yes illegals use entitlements by stealing a child's identity, its also the way they get a job.

    Don't spread lies just because you can't agree with the truth. Progressives do enough of that already!

  • DougB Spanish Fork, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 12:16 p.m.

    Actually Hotrod, it is Mexico who has the more serious border security. Apparently at their southern border they shoot people who try to enter. I don't want to be more like Mexico -- controlling, hypocritical, corrupt, and failed. But I *do* want America to return to her founding promises. The poem on the statue of Liberty inviting the hungry and the oppressed for instance.

    I'm not spreading lies. The SLC Sheriff already endured death threats for having the gall to point out the lies about Hispanics committing more crime per capita. I didn't say that there weren't illegals who commit crimes. Of course there are. They just aren't the majority of our crime problem. And I'm not excusing SS theft. That *is* a problem. Not as big a problem as people make it out to be (in fact it ends up dumping surplus money into the system from people who can never take it out again -- look it up). But it's not right.

    Having internationally respected borders does not have to be the equivalent of the Berlin wall.

  • Teafortwo salt lake city, utah
    Feb. 21, 2011 12:28 p.m.

    "guest worker" is just a politically correct term for "illegal, foreign, criminal".

  • Casca Orleans, IN
    Feb. 21, 2011 12:48 p.m.

    It's obviously a well engineered poll, that doesn't describe what the people of Utah really want? If the State government does enact legislation for illegal aliens to receive some form of Guest Workers program. Hundreds of thousands of illegal foreign nationals will arrive from the growing restrictive States to take advantage of your welfare system. Join the local Tea Party or NumbersUSA to stop this corruption on all levels of government.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 12:56 p.m.

    Anyone that can and does read the articles about Illegal Immigration knows that it is not in favor. All the snap polls (conducted without prior notice and quickly done by Channels 4 and 5) show about 84% of Utahns are against Illegal Immigration. I am sure that ALL the unemployed in Utah are opposed to guest worker programs. Oh... and mark me down as opposed to Robles, Yapias, LaRaza, etc., and FOR legal immigration and the rule of law.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 1:15 p.m.

    What legal Utahn would agree to a bill that gave away his job?

  • Jiggle Clearfield, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 1:26 p.m.

    This poll is contridictory of the Dan Jones & Associates poll for the Deseret News and KSL-TV from March 2010 which found 65 percent of 406 registered Utah voters were in favor of following Arizona's lead with a local version of the law. Rep. Stephen Sandstrom, R-Orem, said he intends to run a bill in the 2011 Utah legislative session modeled on the Arizona statute. In Utah, 76 percent of Republicans support the law, compared to 34 percent of Democrats, according to Jones. A separate Pew Research Center poll on the Arizona law released around the same time found similar sentiments. Nearly six in 10 Americans support Arizona's new law aimed at cracking down on illegal immigrants, according to a Pew Research Center poll conducted May 6-9, 2010. Seventy-eight percent (78%) of likely voters were opposed to legalizing the status of the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. with only 19% supporting it. Pulse Opinion Research, LLC, September, 2009.

    I really doubt that "opinions" have changed that dramatically in slightly less than a year. Calls to boycott the state, have caused some rethinking, so money talks and illegal immigrants walk over America!

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 1:37 p.m.

    What does Senator Robles have against the Work Visa program? We give work visas out like candy. Or is the Work Visa "racial profiling" because they want detailed information about each and every immigrant who applies?

    Federal work visa program isn't broke... there is no need for a redundant state program.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 1:40 p.m.

    @Doug B. "All" as in 3.5 to 4.0 billion. Are you sure you want that?

  • truth to be Told Orem, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 1:44 p.m.

    Another contradicting poll from Dan Jones! Just a few months ago Dan Jones conducted another poll where 77 percent of Utahns believe illegal immigration harms Utah businesses and our economy. See KSL July 20, 2010

    On another KSL poll conducted on January 23, 2011 clearly shows the majority of Utah does not agree with illegal immigration and believe illegal immigrants should be deported.

    The fact of the matter is that the more people get educated on this issue, the more they learned about the consequences of illegal immigration. Such as: ID theft, Crimes, abuse of social services, labor exploitation, suppressing of wages, burden to our education system, lost of jobs to illegal immigrants. Illegal immigration is a huge problem that has to be eradicated from the State through law enforcement and by removing any incentives that attract illegal immigrants.

    As far as the Utah Compact is concern, the media has done a great job selling a document put together by Special Interest Groups, Chamber of Commerce and the Sutherland Institute. This document offers no solutions whatsoever. It only suggests the perpetuation the current status quo.

    Enough is enough! Enforce the laws against illegal immigrants and deport them now!

  • Emophiliac Vernal, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 1:44 p.m.

    Doug, you do realize that the Statue of Liberty was given to us by the French and that the Berlin Wall was to keep people in, not out. Now, Hadrian's Wall or the Great Wall of China - we could use.

  • Hotrod Sandy, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 2:47 p.m.

    Serious Doug? The Berlin wall was in one country. I don't think the sheriff is being honest, and what death threats? at trying to make them one of the same is failing. I hope you know that you cant say the SLC sheriff is getting threats, when I loooked it up, NOTHING. The ones who want to pass tough immigration are being threatend, and Sandstrom's car has been vandalized. I am not suprised you didn't respond to the illegals, who were selling pirated DVDs, look it up, the news said they are illegal. The voice of Deseret website states that illegal immigrants (who are already breaking the law by just being here, I would like you to try and make an excuse for that) cost the state of Utah 453 million dollars per year! The number came from Report From The Federation For American Immigration Reform (FAIR) You are trying to make it seem like I am agaisnt LEGAL immigration, nope, I am against ILLEGAL immigration, which you attempts So actually DougB stop trying to make people who want to take care of the LEGAL citizens of the United States first as racist, its not working!

  • RShackleford Saint George, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 3:05 p.m.

    A criminal Background check would find they are in the country illegally and if they have a job they have used false ID to acquire that job. (Felony)

    Also beyond that, how is a criminal background check going to work? Are we talking about (checking for) crimes committed while in this country? Or in their native country? And how are our "state" authorities going to have access to foreign records?

    I question the validity of the poll also: When the comments on (this news story) at Deseret News is running about 15:1 against this bill.

    Utah has no authority to authorize some kind of "Work Visa" Clearly a violation of Federal Law.
    This bill is wrong in so many ways.

  • UnKnown85 tooele, ut
    Feb. 21, 2011 3:52 p.m.

    @ facts_r_stubborn ,
    I think you miss understood what I was trying to say. I was just pointing out the fact that a lot more people are commenting how they are against this poll than agree with it. The poll states a large majority of Utahs population is for this bill, while just about ever comment is against it. One argument you could rationally make is; that people who are for this bill are not as passionately defending it in this comment section, than the people who are against it.

    I have no idea at what part of my comment lead you to think I was saying to take polls of comment boards and set public policy from them And by the way I wouldnt suspend our representative (thats how its spelled) form of government, I strongly believe that the majority rules, until the minority rights are violated.

  • Celticwolf Syracuse, Utah
    Feb. 21, 2011 4:30 p.m.

    I'm a Utahan and I say send the Illegals home for breaking the law or stick them in jail. If jail then the leader of their legal country can be charged for taking care of them.

    No one needs to abide by the law anymore I guess. So let's let Osama and his boys in Illegally and then give them this option. Watch them blow something up, and then we can all say this was a great idea.

  • calou84523 Ferron, Utah
    Feb. 21, 2011 5:28 p.m.

    DJ polls are as non-scewed as comments to the Desert News are fairly handled, I've submitted two comments on this subject neither of which contained abusive,,offensive, off-topic, nor were misrepresentative yet were not accepted nor printed. My "straw poll" based on comments here is

    21 against

    2 infavour

    3 whose comments weren't on subject

    and if either of my comments had been included that would have been 24 against.

  • Mary E Petty Sandy, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 6:44 p.m.

    Constitutionally, we can have a worker's permit program in Utah for Utah workers. There is historical evidence for taking this states rights initiative.

    Example: Many States eliminated slavery within their respective borders well before the 13th Amendment made it illegal in 1865 in all the United States. These humanitarian States didn't wait for the Federal Government to stop slavery; they exercised their State's right to enact good law, eliminating slavery within their borders. The Constitution allows for such practical and reasonable individual variances that promote economic prosperity, freedom and public safety.

    With the Human Trafficking and slave-like conditions of our modern day underground worker society in Utah (and nation-wide) Utah must create good worker-law for the good of all of us who live and work in Utah. And set the example for the rest of America in this on-going debate about how to deal with the problems caused by bad immigration law.

    Good worker-law SB60 and HB116 should be implemented and Utah Compact principles shared with USA, making Utah a leader in the resolution of this very challenging problem, of establishing documented-workers-law in-spite of Federal dereliction of duty.

  • Cherilyn Eagar Holladay, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 7:05 p.m.

    Dan Jones again asks the wrong questions. This poll can be added to his long list of irrelevant and misleading polls.

    One right question would be: Should Utah establish a guest worker program BEFORE the federal government has secured the border? (The statistics show that amnesty programs attract more illegal aliens and over 40% of guest workers overstay their visas and become lost on the illegal landscape.)

    Another right question would be: Should guest worker permits be given to illegal aliens already working in Utah without first being able to establish whether they are committing identity theft or document fraud? (The logical question being ignored is: How does one even work in the US without a social security number? And if an illegal alien has been working here, then they are most likely doing it by stealing identities and/or committing document fraud. Social Security Administration records show 75% of illegal aliens are using false identification.

    Id like to ask the Deseret News to poll these questions and then see what the results are for how many Utahns want a guest worker program. My guess is the results would be reversed.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Feb. 22, 2011 12:44 a.m.

    The US already have Visa programs the H-1A and H-1B. With 10% unemployment we should not be seeing any visas except for Agriculture.

    It's against the law to give jobs to foreign citizens if Americans are available.

    This bill is so illegal and dishonest towards Americans, it sickens me.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    Feb. 22, 2011 6:24 a.m.

    I had several friends that thought a guest worker program was perfect, until they started looking into it. The state could be financially liable for guest workers that moved into other states and worked. We would need to set up a completely new law enforcement agency and administration.

    Like the Reagan amnesty, peoples relatives would be coming here from all over the country. How could we prove they were not here before?

    There are so many other problems, that it's really just a pie in the sky idea with no real thought in future implications. Would business compensate the taxpayers for the schooling and social services, and pay competitive wages, when they could be hiring citizens? Are we creating a sub class of worker? How about the moral implications of taking jobs away from your fellow countryman? Is that compassion?

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Feb. 22, 2011 7:53 a.m.

    The damage done to Americans and people waiting in line in other countries would be incalculable.

    We can't create enough jobs to keep our own citizens employed.

  • Mc West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 22, 2011 8:12 a.m.

    The wording of the question asked is very important here. If I were asked if I would support a guest worker program that makes it easier for immigrants to come here legally, I would say yes. But I would not support a guest worker program that allows immigrants that are already here illegally to just stay and be rewarded for ignoring our laws.

    If we make it easy for illegal immigrants to work here and then don't pass Sandstrom's bill, we will see a huge influx of illegals coming from other states.

    As a state our laws are supposed to support federal law, not conflict with it. Federal agencies rely on local law enforcement to be the first responders. Bank robbery is a federal offense investigated by the FBI, but local police are the first ones on the scene. Sandstrom's bill should be welcomed by the Feds for giving greater support in the efforts to curb illegal immigration.

    I read the Utah Compact and totally agree with it. It doesn't mention illegal immigration, just immigration. It asks for reasonable and just laws for immigration. It doesn't want families separated unnecessarily. I totally agree.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    Feb. 22, 2011 10:02 a.m.

    I never could understand the "not separating families" since we do not force people to stay. The family is free to return with the person deported.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Feb. 22, 2011 11:36 a.m.

    Wouldn't a guest worker go against the constitution that states that only the US Congress can set the rules for immigration? Also, doesn't this type of law go against federal law?

  • JanSan Pocatello, ID
    Feb. 23, 2011 7:57 a.m.

    I get really tired about all these people getting on here and spouting off how we are a nation of immagrants and therefore we should be welcoming these immagrants with open arms or we are hypocrites. When my ancestors came over there were no immagration laws. The goverment was trying to bring over people to create a new nation. When my ancestors came over there were jobs a plenty for anyone who wanted to work, there was land enough to literally give away. Men worked and supported their own families. They did not have to support millions on law breakers also. The REALITY is that times have changes and what was good and right then is not the same as it is now. We as a country CANNOT afford to take care of all these illeagals when we cannot even afford to take care of our legal citizens. We have so many poor and homeless that we cannot deal with all of them and they are citizens. Where are we suppose to get the money to support all of these people.. it just boogles my mind. Illegal is illeagal.. just as stupid is stupid!

  • dld kearns, ut
    March 8, 2011 7:12 p.m.

    I for one do not favor any illegal staying here in Utah or any other state.

  • jimhale Eugene, OR
    March 9, 2011 11:36 a.m.

    It is really interesting to see so many here arguing in favor of illegality.

    The vast majority of comments are opposed to any bill seen as favoring immigrants.

    Many argue that the guest worker bill is not constitutional because this is a federal issue.

    But all of the opponents of Mexican immigration appear to favor Sandstrom's "enforcement-only" bill.

    The truth appears to be:

    All these bills are unconstitutional.

    That means they are all...illegal.

    It's humorous that so many who couch their opposition to Mexican immigration as being all about legality/illegality - as opposed to rather obvious racism and religious bigotry - are supporters of Sandstrom's totally illegal enforcement bill.

    But I suspect Jesus is not laughing.