Excellent. Let us quickly usher this bill into law. Illegals need to go home. We
welcome all who come here legally!
This is hardly controversial. Most of us have been pulled over by police for
the most mundane of reasons--license plate light is out, for example--because
that is the only random way we have in order to see if something else is wrong.
This is how we catch many DUI and illicit drug use criminals. Now, we add
illegal immigration to the catch-all method of enforcement!
Once again expedience and the supposed letter of the law trump compassion and
commonsense. We must increasingly be getting a reputation as a people of hard
hearts and narrow minds.
This is troubling. We need to be cautious about giving the Gov. too much
authority. I hope the Senate considers this wisely.
It is apparent that our legislature has nothing better to do than to intimidate,
question, and detain innocent citizens to force a document carrying nightmare;
if they look Hispanic, or are darker than others, you have an improper witch
hunt! No one carries vital citizenship papers with them, they must
be carefully cared for in special files at home; for Green-cards and Citizenship
cards cannot be replaced without paying hundreds of dollars, so now darker
skinned people must carry everything around to ensure shorter detainment by an
overworked police officer?It is a relief that Arizona's law, similar
to this was over turned on 4 of the 5 major provisions, including the ones in
Utah version in federal court. If you actually read the opinion like legal
scholars and our Attorney General you will see quickly why this law cannot be
allowed to stand in our wonderful land. The legislature has not listened to the
hundreds of former Congressman, Governors, Mayors and state legislatures why
taking a better balanced approach to this issue is vital! It is not them or us,
it appears that they have not read and digested this fine document, "The
Great news! God bless America, and God bless the great sovereign State of Utah.
Our legislators will spend tax money we don't have to defend this garbage
message bill. Like Sandstrom's childish answer to the funding was the cops are
getting paid anyway as if this would ad no more time to do these background
checks.Perhaps those who think this will fly should be paying for
there publicity stunt.
I hope our Utah law enforcers are not as ignorant as the elected officials in
the House.US citizens that are not Caucasian must carry proof of
citizenship or legal status at all times while in Utah. A higher class of US
citizen in Utah has emerged. If you are not of this class you may be
asked to prove yourself if suspected of a class C misdemeanor, EVEN US CITIZENS!
A police state in Utah, I thought we are for limited government!My heart
is heavy and my Scot background in America is over 400 years old. I am so
embarrassed of my state.
@Chester Brough Legal immigrants are require to have their green cards on them
at all times. It's part of the process. Illegal immigrants are not innocent
citizens, they are law breakers nothing more. I'll be glad once TN passes it's
version of the AZ law. I'm tired of everyone trying to pretend they are innocent
victims. I for one have no problem when the missionaries bring them in and
baptism them, but as soon as I find out they are illegal I call ICE as required
This is a feel good law and nothing more. We might all feel better about seeing
a few illegal immigrants sent home. It will be the ones with families who are
working hard and trying to do the best they can but this will not effect the
hard core illegal drug kingpins and other illegal criminals. I hope all of you
who are calling for the letter of law will now sleep good at night because we
send a few illegals home but trust me, the ones who really need to get caught
and set away will not.
I do not understand why people can't see that the illegal
"trespassers" are ruining and breaking our state. I can have just as
much compassion for them if they go back to their home country as I can if they
are here, eating up all the services that they haven't earned. Yes, they are
criminals. The minute they stepped or swam across the border, they have broken
the law. Joseph Smith said "We believe in being subject to kings,
presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying , honoring, and sustaining the
law. Well, do we believe him or not ?
This is a start. Reading the above comments I shutter to think these people
condone illegal entry into our country, they should try entering a South
American country and see how far they make it. Compassion I have but not towards
a person who enters our country illegal. Why should my tax money be used to take
care of illegal immigrants which it does. I appplaud the legislators for at
least putting it in a postion that we can possibilty slow the flow of illegls
into Utah. This is not only Utah trying to correct a bad situation, many states
across the nation are addresing it. As they do the illegal population will flow
to the state that has the least resistance and increased benefits. Lets be
concerned about American citizens. Increase the number of immigrants that apply
legally but stop the open door policy for illegal alliens. I hear comments all
over the United States when traveling that comment about Utah being a sanctuary
state. The neighboring states appreciate our open door policy. Thanks House now
lets see what the Senate does, its a start much needed.
What happened to the Compact Stephen?
If we don't stop this nonsense of persecuting the Latinos, we are going to bring
about the judgements and destruction on our heads that have been fortold. I
just can't believe that we are this stupid!
Its been gutted. Proponents will have a few good moments if it becomes law. Not
what they hoped for or expected though.
For all those cheering the bill's success, please know that the bill is meant to
please you and many other voters who do not really understand the enforcement
issue. I don't have a problem with enforcment, but it should be effective
enforcement. There are several significant problems with the bill.First, it is an unfunded mandate to local law enforcement agencies. Without
added resources, local agencies will be forced to either increase the budget for
enforcement by raising local taxes, or more likely, re-prioritize away from
other more serious crimes. If the legislature was serious about this bill, why
not fund it?Second, without training and ccordination with federal
ICE agents, those who are picked up may not be able to be deported, since only
ICE can do that.Third, every thing this bill contains and more has
already been available to state and local law enforcement through 287(g) and
Secure Communities. This fact alone proves that Sandstrom's bill is nothing more
than a political move to passify Utah citizens who understandably want federal
immigration laws enforced.Fourth, hopefully Utah will not have to
defend the laws constitutionality, which will be costly to Utah.
You know I get REALLY tired of being told that I am not a compassionate person
just because I do not agree with some of the people on here.Why is it that
compassion is only for the illeagal alien... yes, they are people - so am I !!!
Where is your compassion for all the citizens in this state and country that
cannot get a job, their SS money is almost non existent, people who get robbed
or raped or have their credit destroyed by these people. What about those who
are in accidents with these people who have not license. YEA!!!!! citizens do
this also - but why should we have to deal with our own citizens like this and
also another country's citizens like this? They are breaking the law just by
being here.. why should they get a free ride with this when if I do something
illeagal I have to pay a fine or do time? Some people complain about upper/lower
classes.. I agree.. The illeagals have been the uppen class long enough.. they
have taken the fruits of this land that most of the leagal citizen cannot have..
this is not fair.
"We the People" claims to support legal entry. I do, too. Then why
do we insist on sealed borders and enforcement only. Why not call for an
increase in and streamlining of the visa process? Let them in legally and we
wouldn't have such pressure at the borders. We could select those we want and
draw away those that are prey to the criminal smugglers. People aren't illegal.
Our laws just call them that. Correct our mistake.
John C.C.: streamlining the Visa process is not something that can be addressed
at a state level. The Harry Reid crowd have refused to do it in Washington, try
Back to number 3 which is the most important point of all. I can't understand
why those who support strong enforcment do not seem to either know about or
support programs like Secure Communities and 287(g). They have proven results in
many jurisdictions across the nation. Utah's new law is a weaker program by
far."Harris (Texas) is the nation's third most-populous county;
it includes Houston and has one of the largest concentrations of illegal aliens.
It has implemented both Secure Communities and 287(g). Both programs identify
and place detainers on aliens who have been arrested by local officers and
deputies, putting these offenders on the path to removal rather than allowing
them to remain here to commit more crimes. Secure Communities is an automated
screening system that runs the fingerprints of everyone booked into
participating jails through immigration databases and then forwards the hits to
ICE technicians, who select criminal aliens for removal processing. Under
287(g), specially trained local officers screen and process aliens who have been
arrested in that jurisdiction." - Center for Immigration StudiesWhat say you Utahn's for immigration enforcement, message bills, or real
Why won't the enforcement faithful in Utah acknowledge the facts?"Currently ICE has 287(g) agreements with 71 law enforcement agencies in
25 states. Since January 2006, the 287(g) program is credited with identifying
more than 185,000 potentially removable aliens -- mostly at local jails. ICE has
trained and certified more than 1,213 state and local officers to enforce
immigration law." -U.S. Immigration & Customs
EnforcementCurrently, Utah has two counties, Washington and Weber
with 287(g) MOAs. They are miles ahead of other Utah counties under the
Sandstrom bill. The Utah law will provide no funding, no training, no
coordination with ICE, no equipment and no support, but will dictate an unfunded
mandate to your local government!"ICE will be responsible for
the purchase, installation, and maintenance of technology similar
hardware/software) necessary to support the investigative functions of
participating WCSO personnel at each WCSO facility with an active 287(g)
program."- extract from Washington County, Utah MOA contract
with ICEWhy don't other Utah counties take advantage of the ICE
equipment and training? Why do Utah legislators and many Utah
citizens insist on Yugo enforcement, when they could have Ferrari enforcement?
awe...golly-gee-shucks-a-roo. There goes the price of apples.
This bill could potentially be very scary, potentially very good. It could turn
into something that makes leaving your house without ID illegal, but it could
help get a handle on illegal immigration.If this does end up passing
I hope there are safeguards in place that make it so cops can't just stop anyone
and threaten them with arrest if they don't present an ID and submit to a
background check.I really don't want to live in a police state.
This bill is just to pander to voters in the coming elections, this wont do
anything to curb illegal immigration and will only widen the divisive line among
communities. How can the USA being such a great country not have the
intelligence to deal with such a serious issue and come up with some
comprehensive solution to the problem?
facts are stubborn, sb81 which enabled 287(g) to be used in Utah died in
Shurtleffs office. He sent a letter to ICE entering into partnership, and
telling them what Utah would allow them to do. Needless to say, they refused.
That killed future use of the program.
The Senate needs to pass the bill quickly, without adding anything on. This bill
is a VERY reasonable compromise. The faster this bill is passed into law, the
sooner we can get the illegal aliens out of our state.
To Chester Brough: you are right. On a different note, this is a
federal issue. Nice pandering by the politicians, but if they read their
constitution, they know it is a federal issue.Use the great senators and
reps. to make Washington move on this. Or... maybe the senators and reps. don't
have clout in DC? Hmmmmmm.
I am not for illegal immigration. But, I am for protecting our own US citizens,
which include those that are not Caucasian and those that may speak with an
accent. These are the ones that will have to carry special papers just because
of their looks! This is not right and you know it.
There is too much emphasis on the question of legality, and too little on that
of interest.Immigration which is too vast in scale, which drags down
working Americans' wages, which displaces from the workforce the most vulnerable
Americans (our homegrown illiterates and high-school dropouts)is contrary to the
interests of Americans even as it as fully lawful.Unfortunately, the
above describes our current legal immigration status quo, which imports 1
million persons annually (the population equivalent of our largest cities).
There is too much immigration, legal or illegal. The scale and economic impact
of this problem should remind us that which is legal (i.e. state-sanctioned)
should not be considered sacrosanct.
Are some missing the reality of illegal immigration? As a retired law official,
I hope some demanding "compassion" reconsider their position
predicated upon these facts:1. Illegal immigrants, in most cases,
use stolen identification to obtain employment. What about the victim of this
act?2. Illegal immigrants, in many cases, obtain welfare, health,
eduaction and other benefits that costs us, the legal citizens, billions of
dollars each year.3. Millions of Illegal immigrants have taken good
paying jobs from legal US Citizens. 4. Illegal immigrants commit major
crimes at a much higher rate than US Citizens.Compassion is for
those who obey the law.
I wonder if Sandstorm would reactly differently if he wasn't one of those
Great, just what we needed. Now let us throw the Robles monument to stupidity
out the door and get on with removing as many as we can.
With each passing moment, technological advance, export of workplaces, and
outsourcing devour scores of job opportunities for Americans.Given
this constant, it is insane to import immigrants en masse to compete with
Americans over the scarce jobs not yet consumed by this gaping maw.The immigration status quo - that pertaining to both legal and illegal
migration - is in deep denial about this reality. In the immigration
enthusiasts' fantasy world, it's still 1910, when America still had
labor-intensive factories to staff.Mass immigration, irrespective of
legality, is an anachronism which inflicts vast, unnecessary suffering.
"We have laws on the books that we do not enforce, that cities blatantly
disregard."I seem to remember the very same words used in
reference to Hilldale, Utah. And Colorado City(in that virtuous
state of Arizona, so well know for their rabid desire to ENFORCE THE LAW in
regard to only "some" of their residents.)
re:noneck 62Some people can't help but trash the LDS church in any and
everyway they can.Wake up.. if you have read the comments you would know
that there are plenty of LDS against this.ALSO this is not just a UTAH
concern. States thoughout the United States and also dealing with this and
trying to get laws in their states also to conter the growth of illeagal aliens.
To blame this on the LDS in Utah is shortsighted, dimwited,
bigoted,immature and so forth.This is NOT an LDS concern, but an AMERICAN
concern and that includes every religion in these states.
This yet to be passed law and the other one on in state tuition is already a
success. My illegal neighbour has decided to move from Utah.
Great news! And thanks to Sandstom for his efforts. I am sure the millions who
are waiting in line to legally immigrate are encouraged by this also. Legal
immigration is the way to go.
"You know I get REALLY tired of being told that I am not a compassionate
person just because I do not agree with some of the people on here."Try being an LDS member who self-identifies as a
"If this does end up passing I hope there are safeguards in place that make
it so cops can't just stop anyone and threaten them with arrest if they don't
present an ID and submit to a background check.I really don't want
to live in a police state. "Quick look in a mirror. Do you see
a white person? If so then you really don't have anything to worry about from a
Illegal immigrants come here for jobs. That's why illegal immigration decreased
in the US the past year or two, the recession is getting rid of jobs and without
jobs they leave. So there's a very simple way to deal with illegal
immigration... target businesses.
I would think those who have come here LEGALLY would favor this Bill because it
will cut down on those who just cheated and SNEAKED IN! While the Legal
Immigrants did everything they needed to do, and should be proud to display
their green cards and other documentation to show they are here legally! I would
think it would be an honor to show, "I did it the right way!" Then
again if you break a major law, you shouldn't be here in the first place! NO
MATTER WHO YOU ARE!
Arizona's appeal court is in San Francisco and Utah's is in Denver. Just a
thought here but chances are that we need other states to pass the law to
prevent overturning at Federal's appealing level.
atl134Do you realize that our police already pull so many people
over, especially at night, for the most mundane reasons? Hoping to randomly
catch illegal activity, such as drugs or alcohol?The minute any of
us are arrested, we're run against a warrant database, to see if we're wanted
for any crime, even white collar crime.Why in the world would an
illegal immigrant be immune from such police searches?
@ John CC. Check out "Immigration Gumballs" on youtube and it may
elighten you a bit.
I am tired of hearing that illegals use welfare. My brother works for the state
where they handle welfare. He says it is impossible for illegals to receive
welfare (medicaid, food stamps,cash assistance) because they check social sec.
numbers. Now, If you are illegal and your children are US citizens, then, The
children can get welfare, NOT the parents.
Of the 34 names on the "list" of 1300 people here claiming welfare
benefits, 32 were false numbers. If one child is birthright all
children get help, and no one checks to see who eats all the food in a mixed
family. WIC, CHIPS etc, they qualify.
A sad day in Utah history. Sandstrom forgot his compassion, the legislature
forgot Utah's history of immigrants, and the people of Utah are now branded race
bashers, like Arizonans.When the federal law is changed, as it needs to
be, to make legal immigration quicker, easier, more practical, I wonder if
Sandstrom et al will support that change as well as they heed the rule of law
"A sad day" dave4197? Hardly.Get ILLEGAL immigrants out of
our country. I am so tired of reading these articles, they are breaking the law
when they sneak into our country. I don't care what their skin color is, if they
cannot prove that they should be in the U.S. legally.... they should be deported
and not allowed back.You can pull me over any time and check my
credentials. I will whip out my driver's license and be on my way. For those who
cannot follow the legal path into to the U.S., get em outta here!
The sad day happened when 110,000 people chose to break our laws with no
compassion to those they hurt by their actions. Razzle2, if caught
breaking the law, everyone is asked for ID. Let's stop the silly nonsense.
It is not going to setup a Nazi Germany. Are you kidding. The ACLU and the
leftist courts will doeverything to protect those who are here illegally,
but it was an effort totry and stop illegal's from setting up businesses,
and employment, andreceiving state services and give the ability to local
law enforcement whenthere is probable cause like a traffic stop to
determine if they are herelegally. Federal law is very clear if you are
here on a visa you must haveyour papers on you at all times. That is the
As usual, the Democrats have both feet firmly planted in mid-air, and prove
themselves to be even less aware than the Republicans--and then they wonder why
they don't win elections in areas where people have to work and pay taxes. They
say, "Be compassionate." I say, "Get real. Unless you're ready
to bear the freight on your insanity, don't expect to further design our
civilization into oblivion with no resistance. Go ahead and be 'compassionate'
and 'charitable' with private, voluntary funds . . . and by the way, if you're
really going to do it, go help those populations remake their own countries,
rather than importing all their liabilities, costs, and problems into our
A sound law for the good of the state and its citizens. Only those who commit a
crime are to have a background check as to their legal status. Now, will US
Immigration officials actually do their job and deport the illegals?