And for the powers that be that scares them. Encouraging intellectual
curiosity? We would hate to teach or encourage our students to go down that
road. They might actually learn how to THINK. My only question is this: When
are Utahns going to finally demand, through the ballot box, common sense? When
are we going to begin to vote for the person and NOT for the party? Probably
never but a guy has to dream!
For those few professors actually involved in publishing and research, tenure
may have some merit. Of course, the manner in which tenure is granted leaves a
lot to be desired. What we have today is, effectively too often, guaranteed
academic freedom for liberals but inability to even get a teaching job for
conservatives.However, how many professors, Statewide, are really
engaged in research or publishing rather than merely teaching? Anyone whose
job description does not include research and publishing should not expect
tenure.Even those who have tenure should expect that it is limited
to merely academic freedom, not a guarantee against job loss for anything short
of a felony.
Can this state get anymore broken? Apparently, yes.So this guy
basically wants all schools to function on ONLY adjunct faculty that are under
payed with no benefits...Because that's what you'll get with no tenure. Just
like Public Ed anyone good will go elsewhere.I have two siblings
that are professors in other states and they didn't even consider applying for
non-tenure track jobs. In fact one was fast tracked so they could make her
department head.One good friend who has taught in Utah for 10 years
is moving to Texas so she can finally get payed a living wage with benefits. All
my other other Prof friends have retired. This state is hemorrhaging good
teachers already, this is a nail in the coffin.
Time to take your medicine!
In the 1600s, Galileo Galilei was condemned to house arrest for conducting
research which, much to the displeasure of the Roman Catholic church,
demonstrated that the sun, not the earth, was at the center of the solar
system.In the Soviet Union, all academic work was subject to
censorship, and academics whose research agendas displeased the Communist party
could lose their jobs, be arrested, or even be banished to forced labor camps.
For example, the Soviets disliked genetics, so all geneticists were forced, one
way or another, to suspend their research. In recent years, Vladimir Putin has
called for a return to academic censorship, arguing that "unpatriotic"
academic publications are hurting Russia.In China today, academics
who anger the government can be fired with no explanation. You can imagine that
any academic criticism of China's government is pretty tame.Herrod's
shortsighted bill would take us one dangerous step closer to joining this
academic censorship hall of shame, not to mention making it ridiculously
difficult for colleges to recruit quality faculty. The legislature has no
business micromanaging state universities and colleges.
@ConsideringMany Universities, such as the University of Utah,
require both tenured and tenure-track professors to conduct research. Research
and published work are also what is evaluated when granting tenure, not just
teaching ability.Unlike what most may think, most Universities place
research as high, if not higher than teaching ability. Quality research is what
earns Universities grants and prestige. The quality of a specific department at
a University is usually evaluated by the the type and quality of the research
being performed, and most informed students pick a university based on this.Good teaching is directly related to good research. Most doctorates
require research and a professor who does not continue to do research is lazy,
uncurious, and will be left behind before too long, as most academic disciplines
require constant effort on the part of a professor to keep up with current
knowledge of a topic.Research is all about staying up to date and
making a contribution to your field. Any college professor not engaged in
research, required or not, is not one who you would want to take a class from.
(The caveat to this is if they are near retirement.)
Another example of brilliance from the Utah Legislature. It would be great if
Herrod would admit it that he simply doesn't want his kids or anyone else
learning to think for themselves. That's what this is about. Same as his wanting
to exert legislative control over KUED. He want's everyone to look at the world
through his blinders. What's ironic is the blatant hypocrisy. The narrow-minded
rants about big government and preserving individual freedoms ring pretty hollow
when somebody else's freedom contradicts their narrow-minded view of the
world.To 'Considering' and your rant about "guaranteed academic
freedom for liberals but inability to even get a teaching job for
conservatives", I would love to see some statistics to prove that one.
One further note: At the University of Utah even Art professors do research.
Ahem... as a university professor with tenure let me say this: it is a needed
protection against the vagaries of deans, department heads, and citizens with
too much money demanding only one thing gets taught in the classroom, etc.Tenure protects intellecualism and free thinking. Without it, thoughts would
fly by with the wind and head to where ever someone most powerful would push
them. Seen it, been there, done it. Tenure is what keeps the university system
viable. Without it ... oh, you don't want to go there. Protect your
professionals so that they can tell the truth to your children and to society.
Tenure is necessary only if we want good professors teaching at our
universities.Professors don't make much money for the education that
they have but one thing they do have is stability. If we take that stability
away from them they are not going to want to teach here.It's going
to be really hard to attract good professors to Utah if we end tenure.
"Intellectual Freedom" what a statement. The bottom line is that the
people of the state pay these people's (Yes they are employees, not Gods) wages
and we don't have any say about what they teach? I am certainly not in favor of
telling people what they believe, but I firmly believe that I have a say on how
my tax dollars are spent. If you want total freedom, teach at a private
university. Oh, yea they control their "Professors", because they have
to keep their constituency happy. The state schools should do no less.
Tenure should be ended in Utah's public colleges and universities!It
might be nice if it were (as intended) protection for excellent researchers and
teachers. However, tenure is now little more than guaranteed immunity and
featherbedding for liberals who are mostly adept at running liberal
indoctrination centers.End tenure now in all public schools (K-12
and college). Let the "best and brightest" who cannot survive in the
marketplace of ideas and freedom of expression flee to private schools. It has been said "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach."
It is time to clean out the parasites being supported at the taxpayers' expense
and get back to actual academic excellence.And, maybe that might
even encourage some of the "diversity" loved by liberals, to include a
few token conservatives into the academia.
I will support tenure - only when it is supported by a job well done. If the job
is faulty, the support will be as well, and tenure is out the window.
Tenured university professors, for the most part, are a bunch of lazy coasters
who barf up the same lecture year after year. I know, because I spent 8 years
getting two degrees in geology and engineering. Most of the professors I had had
no idea of the real world. Make the professors earn their keep for a change.
Getting rid of tenure would cause immense harm to Utah's two major research
universities (University of Utah and Utah State) especially in terms of being
able to recruit quality faculty. How are you going to attract quality
professors if they have no guarantee of academic freedom? This has to be one of
the most shortsighted and potentially economically damaging proposals to come
out of the Utah State Legislature in a long time (and thats saying something).
Why the huge grab for power and control by the Legislature? They seem to want
to control everything which is what they turn around and accuse the Federal
Government of. Young talented PHDs/future candidates the writing seems to be
on the wall. Get out of Utah while you can as the elected officials in Utah
have little respect for education (primary and higher) as evidenced by their
attacks there on. Those that refuse to adequately invest in it and respect it
should not garner your loyalty in any way. Utah will reap what it sows and I
fear it wont be good in a competitive economic sense in an ever more competitive
Mr. Herrod want to take over control of the university TV and radio, and end the
tenure system. It looks like he is unhappy with a point of view different from
his own. There have been elected officials in the past who have
done similar things -- we often forget that Hitler was elected as president in
Germany. He didn't like the media -- so he took over control of it. Destroying
the university -- which is what the destruction of the tenure system will be --
fits the bill.Herrod, I see also re-introduced the bill that was
defeated last year, that children not be required to be in booster seats. Where do we get these guys? When will the voters get rid of these
ideologues?The answer: when we start voting for good people instead
of those with the R by their name.The system is broken and Herrod's
totalitarian bills are the best measure of it.Don't discount the
possibility that these crazy bills will pass. Herrod has friends on the hill --
Sandstrom, Wimmer, and a bunch of others.
Re: "Don't discount the possibility that these crazy bills will pass.
Herrod has friends on the hill . . . ."And many, many friends
among those that really count -- the voters and taxpayers.Expect
"crazy" bills, those reintroducing sanity and accountability to
tax-funded activities -- including "higher education" -- to become the
norm.We also expect shrill, desperate liberal spinmeisters to label
anything approaching sanity or accountability as "crazy."