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Utahns don't want state firearm, poll shows

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  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 4:58 p.m.

    Before the vote, Minority Assistant Whip Brian King, D-Salt Lake, read a letter from Browning's grandson, Robert Pack Browning, opposing the bill. The House consented to the amendment, 48-20.

    Why didn't you print that letter it was well written?

  • my slc Newport Beach, CA
    Feb. 11, 2011 5:23 p.m.

    From the earlier article regarding this:

    "Turns out Ogden native John M. Browning never manufactured an M1911, so the measure was amended to say he designed the gun. The amended bill now goes back to the House."

    So all the jingoism and flag waving regarding this bill and Utah is nonsense?

  • vibert924 Murray, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 6:32 p.m.

    It's gratifying to know that our lawmakers are spending their time and our tax dollars on such important state business. I imagine that the electorate would appreciate it if the folks on the hill would worry less about guns and more about bringing jobs to Utah and educating our students. I know I would. What ever would we do without our wise and wonderful politicans?

  • My2Cents Kearns, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 5:09 a.m.

    The state honors criminal mexicans, why not citizens of America?

    Yes, many lives have been destroyed in Utah by armed criminals and many lives have been saved by armed citizens as well. The recognition of this gun also projects the spirit of America and defending the constitution. People who do not believe in guns are the ones to pity, they are the first victims of oppression and that they are too cowardly to defend their rights and country.

    There is no civil means of defending the constitution, it must be done and maintained by armed american citizens and honoring the man and the gun also honors our rights.

  • TMR Santa Monica, CA
    Feb. 12, 2011 5:53 a.m.

    How terribly embarrassing for Utah.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 6:24 a.m.

    What a tremendous waste of time on an idiotic idea. No wonder nothing of substance ever gets done.

  • SL Rexburg, ID
    Feb. 12, 2011 6:36 a.m.

    How embarrassing. One party rule on display.

  • open minded Lehi, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 7:34 a.m.

    One more example of how out of touch our legislators are with the people. It doesn't matter what we want, they are going to do whatever they want anyway. So much for being servants of the people.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 7:36 a.m.

    The elected GOP-controlled representatives on the Hill have acted contrary to the will of the people: 57% opposed this and 36% favored it.

    So much for conservative values in Utah.

  • Gary Moore Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 7:47 a.m.

    Relax. The worst thing this bill does is give liberals material to ridicule us about.

    Consider the motivation. Political ridicule is not done because one has cause. It's a proven effective tactic to discredit an opponent, in a culture filled with intellectually lazy voters who take their cues from comics on television.

    If leftists, masquerading as journalists and entertainers in order to engage in stealth activism, didn't have this, they'd use something else in their efforts to marginalize a state which consistently votes Republican.

    Adding a state firearm will not cause the slightest burden on the budget. What it will do is to serve as a response to people, such as Mr. Browning's misguided descendant, telling them clearly that we Utahns believe that humanity is better off because an instrument that equalizes a smaller victim to a larger and stronger attacker exists.

  • Really??? Kearns, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 8:02 a.m.

    Honor the man, not the gun. The poll shows we don't want an official state gun. Please, legislature, please finally start listening to our opinions.

  • Gentile brookings, SD
    Feb. 12, 2011 8:12 a.m.

    Excuse me, but this is about as ludicrous as Utah's leg. has ever been. TMR has got it right: embarrassing.
    Guys, gals, leg people: go work on improving society and our schools, etc. and put the posturing on the back burner, or better yet, quit it!! Utah has real problems and you are just posturing. How did you get elected? Old boy network?

  • Goet Ogden, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 8:14 a.m.

    TMR: I find it ironic you see anything Utah does as embarrassing.

    I'm as pro-gun as they get, but this is just a stupid waste of tax money.

    There are other issues that need handling. If the legiscritters have time for this crap, then maybe they should just shutter the doors, dock their pay accordingly, and stop spending my tax money.

  • bp486 None of your business, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 9:26 a.m.

    I'm a gun owner, CCW holder, etc. and this is a dumb as it gets. Out legislature is so high on themselves and out of touch with the reality of what they should be doing. How embarrassing for Utah.

  • Ralph West Jordan Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 9:35 a.m.

    Re: Gary Moore 7:47

    No gun, No testosterone!

    Run for the legislature next election, you are certain to win, you have all the qualifications!

    Maybe you could be the long gun specialist, yea!! how about an official state mussle loader, or even better an official assualt rifle.

    Previous posters hit it on the head! EMBARRASSING.

  • BirdmanKen Fishers, IN
    Feb. 12, 2011 9:51 a.m.

    I've only owned one gun in my 38 years, and it's a Browning pistol I bought last June. It's a fantastic piece to shoot.

    But could there be a bigger waste of lawmakers' time and taxpayers' money than the effort to designate a Utah State Firearm? I mean, are the pols behind this serious???

  • DH48 West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 9:58 a.m.

    Absolutely STUPID that our legislators are spending time on this. Why do we need a state gun? It's such a small things but it makes me sick every time I hear it. With all of our problems they are wasting their time on something as ridiculous as this. I just don't get it.

  • justcap Provo, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 10:10 a.m.

    A state gun? Waste of time. And even if it were important, they would do better to pick a nice hunting rifle over a handgun.

  • gig Gig Harbor, WA
    Feb. 12, 2011 10:21 a.m.

    I call on many Fortune 500 companies. When the topic comes up that I am originally form Utah they ask, why is it that the Utah leg. is always in the news doing weird things. Here there are potential companies that would look at moving their operations to Utah for the recreation, climate etc. What is often commented to me is why are Utah elected leaders are always trying to prove itself through such stupid stunts almost as if there is an inferiority complex.

  • scambuster American Fork, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 10:31 a.m.

    The legislature doesn't care what the people want. What do people think this is? A democracy?

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 11:14 a.m.

    @scambuster

    You can get in trouble by calling us a democracy. We are a constitutional republic! Just ask any of the zealots in Utah County!

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    Feb. 12, 2011 11:50 a.m.

    Republicans 57 percent opposed, 58 percent of independent voters were opposed, 72 percent of Democrats opposed, adding up to 57% against it? I knew Dan Jones cooked polls, but those numbers just don't add up.

    I really don't care. Browning is a world famous company, and the gun has a place in history, but I don't care one way or the other? If the sea gulls had not helped the pioneers, we would know them as flying rats.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 11:58 a.m.

    The segolilly (one state symbol) saved lives of many pioneers when they didn't have anything to eat. The 1911 pistol saved lives of many Utahn's and people from other states too when they were in the service defending our country.

    The 1911 could be counted on to fire when the trigger was pulled. It is an excellent weapon. The services (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines) did not choose to discontinue use of this weapon, the civilian authorities told them to adopt an Italian pistol that they wanted adopted for political reasons.

    The 1911 is an excellent choice for a Utah symbol.

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 12:26 p.m.

    No one has mentioned the only one with a chance of stopping this travesty in its tracks...Gary Herbert. His lukewarm fence sitting is hard to read. "It's as much about the man as the gun." Really? Then why not give him an official day, a float in a parade, a billboard on the freeway (Yesco would love that), a headline in the newspapers, a statue at the State Capitol, his factory in the Heritage Park, his grave moved to Capitol hill, commission a song to be written about him and have every school child in Utah be required to learn it before they graduate, rename Antelope Island for him, paint his name on the salt flats for all to see???

    Why is a State gun necessary?

  • DanO Mission Viejo, CA
    Feb. 12, 2011 12:27 p.m.

    Why not designate the Television as the State Appliance?

  • cliff Blossom, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 12:39 p.m.

    What? No state knife, sword, spear, grenade, or fatal tonic? This bill is nothing short of an absurdity. It is extreme legislative moves like this that incite the highly dangerous belief that there is no civil means of defending the constitution, it must be done and maintained by armed american citizens. On a daily basis, the Constitution is defended by thoughtful, well-intentioned, and rational individuals who choose to use their minds to preserve the Constitution. If our only tools to defend the Constitution were this small handful of armed American citizens, the Constitution would certainly not endure. Those who truly wish to weaken the Constitution at its core would probably give you all the guns you want. Then, just as you are polishing your arms and attending extremist forums, they will be changing hearts and minds with articulate speech and rational thought. If you truly wish to defend conservative values, consider offering persuasive and insightful ideas in a civil forum. The far left paints an unflattering caricature of conservative America. As a moderate conservative, I wish, just once, that this conservative legislative body and it supporters would do more to refute this characterization.

  • brw1 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 12, 2011 12:41 p.m.

    Or make a statue of illegal immigrants, preferably holding a 1911? Then, we can honor both!

  • Penguin Inc. Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 12, 2011 12:52 p.m.

    Isn't this the type of government waste we republicans complain about? Unless it's for something they like?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 1:08 p.m.

    Given how much devastation they want to do to education (give the legislature authority over it?) and other things, I'm kinda glad they're wasting time on stuff that, while embarrassing, doesn't really cause any harm.

  • mtymouse Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 1:36 p.m.

    When I first heard of this bill, I actually thought it was a joke--now I know that it really is a joke. It seems that there are so many more important issues to discuss during this session that this one should not have been even considered. Yes, it is embarrassing to have a state gun--it just gives outsiders (as well as residents)one more topic to use to make fun of our great state. Drop this whole issue people, and spend your time, and our money doing something constructive. Remember, we can clean house at the next elections and hopefully install people who mean business, and will stick to taking care of business!

  • jp3 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 1:40 p.m.

    If you don't approve of a pistol as a state symbol, e-mail Gov. Herbert (easy to find through Google) and express your displeasure. He probably doesn't read the newspaper (or anything else, for that matter).

  • Jeremy Brown Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 1:50 p.m.

    What's our state sneaker? How about our state sandwich? What's our state beer? State insect? State cell phone? State car? State dog breed? We can't go on without having our elected officials define these for us! What do these people think they are doing if they aren't taking care of these things?!

  • MenaceToSociety Draper, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 2:14 p.m.

    They don't care what we think. They care about pushing their gun violence agenda and campaign contributions.

  • Still Blue after all these years Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 2:33 p.m.

    Perhaps R.P. Browning should also give his inheritance back?

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 2:40 p.m.

    There is a certain entitlement to being elected to the Legislature in Utah, and if you people don't like some of the things they do, then VOTE THEM OUT of office!!!

    (In other words, this kind of stuff is going to happen and there's not a dang thing anybody here can do about it, so it's pointless to even whine about it.)

  • LOL holladay, utah
    Feb. 12, 2011 3:47 p.m.

    It may be time for the good ol' boys to put aside their childish ways and realize they ain't living in pioneer times no more.

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 3:53 p.m.

    The results here seem to show the truth of the poll from the DNews. Over 90% say no to a State gun. Most encouraging results from both sides of the aisle and from gun owners and gun haters. Nice.

  • Tumbleweed Centerville, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 4:21 p.m.

    It's the 57% who don't vote who don't want it. 100% of us voters who voted this legislature in want it and we got it . . . so, uh, . . . the rest of you keep complaining and don't vote as usual.

  • USA Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 5:07 p.m.

    Nope. I vote. I don't want it.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 6:17 p.m.

    @Tumbleweed

    I voted in November. I don't want this stupid bill and a state gun. What a waste of time.

    Oh, but I didn't vote for the guy who won in my district.

  • Ricardo Carvalho Provo, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 6:28 p.m.

    Governor Herbert,

    Please find a way to do the will of the people since our legislators will not. I think most of us are not opposed to honoring the inventor, we just don't see a need for a State gun.

  • Bruce Angleton, TX
    Feb. 12, 2011 6:51 p.m.

    The Utah legislature is just taking the pro gun hysteria to the next level. For years both the Republicans and Democrats have ran from sensible gun regulation. How many more Tucsons or Virginia Techs have to occur before some sanity is restored. Both parties are so afraid of the NRA that they are willing to sacrifice the safety of ordinary Americans by refusing to recognize that some people should not be allowed to own a firearm. If the legislature wants to really show the NRA that they are pro gun then maybe they should allow all to own bazookas or shoulder fired missiles.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 7:30 p.m.

    It could be a lot worse. They could be raising your taxes, spending money we don't have on stuff we don't need. Or they could be figuring out ways to allow illegal to stay here and get in state tuition.

    Anything that distracts them from other damage they might inflict on the taxpayers is a good thing.

    Say, don't we need an official state.....

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 12, 2011 10:11 p.m.

    Re: Bruce | 6:51 p.m. Feb. 12, 2011 Angleton, TX

    "pro gun hysteria"? What the heck is that Bruce? Surely you must be aware of your Texas Castle Doctrine. In your state you can take somebody out for "illegal trespassing".

    You have to start somewhere Bruce if you want to stop gun violence. How about starting by taking firearms away from illegal aliens like the ones selling them in Salt Lake City this week.

  • LeFiffre Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 13, 2011 11:23 a.m.

    In moments of mortal peril, there are few comforts so great as J.M. Browning's Model 1911 in .45 ACP. It's straightforward, it's reliable, and it's uncommonly effective.

    I'm proud to live in a state that Browning called home and that has the good sense to honor his contribution to the safety and well-being of so many Americans wherever predators menace -- certainly on the battlefield, but equally importantly on our streets and in our homes.

  • 22ozn44ozglass Moab, UT
    Feb. 13, 2011 10:29 p.m.

    Cont:

    Browning's grandson's conjecture is politically motivated affront to the celebration & bestowal of honor & respect that was earned over a lifetime of selfless dedication & service that his Grandfather earned. Browning was a self made man, a genius, an entrepeneur who arose from very humble means and little formal education to become reconginsed internationally as a genius. Sec of war Dwight Davis "It is not thought that any other individual has contributed so much to the national security of this country as Mr. Browning in the development of our machine guns and our automatic weapons to a state of military efficiency surpassing that of all nations.

    Sec of War Newton "I have learned from Major Little of the patriotic and generous attitude taken by you in the negotiations for the use of your patents of light and heavy machine guns in this emergency, and beg leave to express my appreciation for it. You have performed a very distinct service to this country in inventions, and contributed to the strength and effectiveness of our armies"

    2011 marks the 100th aniversary of Brownings 1911, and it is time to dispense with politics and prejudice & say thanks and honor this utah native

  • Common Sense Says Enid, OK
    Feb. 13, 2011 10:51 p.m.

    First, please understand I am a HUGE 2nd Amendment believer.

    However, I find it highly disappointing that the founders of the great state of Utah, specifically, pioneers belonging to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, who firmly believe in and, as a church, try dilligently to follow the teachings of the Prince of Peace, and who emigrated to what became the state of Utah to obtain peace, would have a gun displayed as part of their state logo.

    The gun, to me, seems to be far more 'in your face' than the arrows the eagle holds in our national crest.

  • Taivo BRIGHAM CITY, UT
    Feb. 14, 2011 7:19 a.m.

    Does anyone besides me find it silly to honor a weapon that wasn't even made by Browning Arms? While the idea of a self-loading pistol was Browning's, the M1911 was actually manufactured by Colt.

  • 22ozn44ozglass Moab, UT
    Feb. 14, 2011 9:34 a.m.

    RE Taivo | 7:19 am

    You would benefit from doing some real honest indepth research into the life and acheievments of John Moses Browning. The man has 128 patents to his name, and he is respected internationally as a genius and an inventor. When he left the US to seek a manufacturuer for one of his new shotguns, he was warmly recieved in Europe by those with a pedigreed history of arms production and was revered as "The Master"

    The enimies of the US and our allies in WWI and WWII would have loved to have had Browning as one of their native sons to turn to when ever they needed arms that would give them an advantage. Browning's 1911, M2 50cal, and BAR were carried into every infantry battle of WWII.

    Browning and his decendents qualify as members of the DUP and SUP, and he would have been 156 yrs old this Jan. His 1911 celebrates 100 yrs in active duty in the hands of the most elite and pretigous law enforcement and military units in the world.

    Utah should be proud of this Man and this Nation owes him a debt of gratitude as well.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2011 4:38 p.m.

    You know 22oz, if the kids on the hill were making the argument you are making they would not come off looking as bad as they do.

    You make an exceptionally strong argument why this man should be honored, and because of your argument I would absolutely support any move to honor the man and his contributions to the security of this country. From what you say it sounds like history has already honored him. But I would be for doing whatever you do when you honor someone: name a road for him, or dedicate a building to him, or declare a John Browning day. Whatever it is legislators do to honor people.

    But as it is, by trying to name a state gun, the Utah legislature comes off as silly, purely political, and unnecessarily controversial.