I say that the current legislature ban all but homeschools - seismic risk
Here goes a demand for even more tax increases--and of course Deseret Media is
in favor (as always). It's for the kids, you know.If kid safety is
the issue, then why don't they require them to wear seat belts on school
buses?But Utahns are suckers for tax increases. They always fall for
the small increases. And those wanting to increase government spending (and,
hence, control) know it's best done little by little.
As long as the legislators are protected with their new earthquake-proof
building, that's all that matters, right?Forget the thousands of
children and teachers (the majority of which are women) who work in these brick
and cinder block death traps--now if there were more male adults in these
buildings, like those who rule over us in this state, it would be a completely
different story!Where I teach, we only got rid of our asbestos
flooring four years ago--and we were supposed to be eternally grateful for that
bone they threw to us. It stinks to be a teacher in Utah--unhappy teachers
equals poorly taught students.
@jp3So it's our fault that "it stinks to be a teacher in
Utah"? Did we decide your profession?That sound you hear is the
world's smallest violin.With your attitude I hope you're not
teaching one of my kids.I've worked in various offices and
conditions (with asbestos etc.) and you know the funny thing is that they were
all MY choice. If I didn't like a job, I moved to the next. Again, my choice.
Some jobs I had to do even though I didn't like them. But that was all my
choice.Our last home was small, built around 1940. It wasn't
seismically sound, but I loved it. Whose choice? Again, mine.I don't
have a lot of compassion or sympathy for people who expect everyone else to bend
over backwards for them--and then still continue to complain. You don't like the
pay, the old building you work in, or whatever your ache might be? Well put on
your pants for heaven's sake and move on.
In Utah it is probably not a matter IF we get the big earthquake, but WHEN we
get it. It could happen next Thursday or 100 years from next Thursday.Whenever it occurs, it may well occur during the 66% of the time when the
schools are not occupied. It would be a shame for the students to be in their
own, non-earthquake proof homes when it happens, wouldn't it?As a
practical matter, all of our schools should be replaced AT THE END OF THEIR
ECONOMIC LIFE. When they are replaced, they should be replaced using the most
current earthquake standards then in existence. FYI the earthquake standards
have a history of being revised about every 10 years.
I'm glad our legislators will be safe and sound in their great and spacious
offices.Not to mention the fine parking.That is what is
important isn't it?Schools? Why should we spend any money there?
I taught in a small, and very old school in rural Utah. One time a maintenance
worker lost his balance on a ladder and put his arm right though the brick
exterior wall. Old mortar allowed his weight to knock out nearly a dozen
bricks. Left a pretty good hole.It was covered with a chunk of
plywood for a week or so and then new bricks were plastered back to fill the
hole.We used to joke that when the big one hits, at least there will
be one section of the school that won't fall down.
Don, little children don't get to choose whether or not they go to a safe
school. Shame on you.
Since the USGS states that Utah's Wasatch Fault is second only to the New Nadrid
Fault area, for massive devastation in a "moderate quake; (5.5 or greater)I
wonder how the naive locals, will "consider" the admonitions of the
LDS Church to be "prepared"?Perhaps these same naive folks
haven't given much credence to the biblical parable of the Bridegroom and the 10
Virgins?Of course there are a significant number of Utah schools NOT built
to basic Federal Seismic Safety Standards, safety goes out the window when the
"cost" and reality of actual risk comes into the budget.Besides,
nothing "bad" ever happens here in Utah...
The 77 schools with some factor of earthquake safety are most likely the very
old schools (50 or more years) built when this knowledge was designed in. This is not an oversight problem, it is a engineered design omission.
This fact of earthquake safety was intentionally forced out of design and
construction to cut cost. We can build 50 million dollar school complexes but
design out earthquake safety. You never hear any government official ever say
that in an emergency use the schools, they can't. Utah is a high risk zone, just
ask any insurance agent, and the least of laws to design and build in earthquake
safe construction whether it be commercial use, public use, or home use
buildings. The state put out millions of dollars to make the capital
building and City and County buildings earthquake tolerant, but they haven't
bothered to pass any legislation for the rest of the state. The
Wasatch Front is designated high risk earthquake hazard area. The cities of Utah
are allowed to issue waivers to developers, with public indemnification, to
bypass earthquake/flood zoning laws to build on and put everyone at risk.
I don't believe the numbers. There only 76 schools, not 77 that need to be torn
down immediatly. Quick, put all children in tent classrooms untill we bankrupt
I am the mother of 7 children and I work in schools. I care about all our
safety, of course. But this is a strategy by a group of folks who want a
windfall of government money (architects/builders). They are trying to create a
panic and they, unfortunately, may succeed because they have set up a winning
argument - schools are unsafe, and if you don't agree they should be torn down
and replaced immediately, you are uncaring, unfeeling and heartless.Also unfortunately, our teachers are often the ones least educated in
statistics, logic and reasoning, so they will jump on this bandwagon and start
calling names of anyone who thoughtfully concludes that schools should be
replaced at the end of their usable life with better-engineered buildings, not
immediately at great expense.We need a STRONG actuarial team to come
up with the real risk numbers - students are at the same or greater risk at
home, at church, at the store or community center (if they are older buildings).
So why make the schools immediately comply? Because the architects/builders
know they can likely manipulate their way to big money this way.Don't get tricked.
So what happens if the big one hits during the 66% of the day when children
aren't in school?It would be nice to earthquake proof every public
building. All it would take is more money. California's answer to the problem
is to spend tomorrow's income paying yesterday's bills.
People like MapleDon disgust me. If money is your main concern than funding for
schools is a MUST. Increases in education lead to increases in the future
economy. While increasing safety may not directly increase education, it is
important to make sure everyone involved in the process is kept safe. Images of
toppled buildings made of cinderblock in Haiti come to mind.Why is
it that so many Utahans hate spending on schools. It seems that education is a
trait looked down upon here.
These schools are still built pretty solid. These are not like the schools that
were built in China that crumbled like sand sculptures. Any new buildings
should be built up to the new standards, but the old ones are not unsafe.What about earthquake safetly drills? I had them in grade school, but nothing
after the 3rd grade. That is critical as well. Teach kids the "triangles of
I certainly think children should be safe at school. How many children have been
killed at school by an earthquake since statehood in 1896? Just wondering. I am
guessing the number to be zero.
@ Tyler from Holladay,I really don't believe the average citizen in
Utah, or even the average lawmaker in Utah is against funding public
schools.......it's the UEA that gets the scowl of the average person, and if
funding the schools helps the UEA,,,,,Hello! there is the answer to your issue.
Get rid of them and see a united citizenry.
The commission hopes the findings will prompt the Legislature, which convenes
Monday, to authorize a $500,000 project to screen all Utah schools.Sounds like they want to blow a half-million just to screen the schools which
will be money spent that doesnt make them one bit safer. We have a few colleges
and universities that have students that this would make a good project for
them. As for them being students without degrees, think about interns working to
be come doctors. They have doctors watching over their work. Their teachers
could do the same to be sure it is as good as hiring someone. Then there are
people who need jobs. No matter what, remember the Titanic. It was said to be