Just ridiculous. Utah is an open carry state, and the weapons were not loaded.
His actions were legal.His actions were also stupid, inappropriate,
despicable, and show a lack of good judgment.I condemn him for doing
it, but at the same time defend his right to do so.I despise the
protesters at Temple Square for Conference, the Westboro Baptist
"Church" loons, and the smut and pornography peddlers, and flag
burners. But, I defend their freedom to do so, just as I defend the
idiot in this incident.
Can someone please point out the behavior that gave rise to the disorderly
conduct charge?76-9-102. Disorderly conduct. (1) A
person is guilty of disorderly conduct if: (a) he refuses to comply
with the lawful order of the police to move from a public place, or knowingly
creates a hazardous or physically offensive condition, by any act which serves
no legitimate purpose; or (b) intending to cause public inconvenience,
annoyance, or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof, he: (i)
engages in fighting or in violent, tumultuous, or threatening behavior;
(ii) makes unreasonable noises in a public place; (iii) makes
unreasonable noises in a private place which can be heard in a public place;
or (iv) obstructs vehicular or pedestrian traffic. (2)
"Public place," for the purpose of this section, means any place to
which the public or a substantial group of the public has access and includes
but is not limited to streets, highways, and the common areas of schools,
hospitals, apartment houses, office buildings, transport facilities, and
shops. (3) Disorderly conduct is a class C misdemeanor if the offense
continues after a request by a person to desist. Otherwise it is an infraction.
The only thing disorderly was the police. Some how law enforcement was able to
convinces some anti gun law judge that to carry a gun openly was disorderly
conduct. A complete violation of state and federal laws, using personal
vendettas to punish others not breaking any laws. This decision to punish is
reckless and unreasonable and contradictory of other state laws.It's
unreasonable that personal vendettas are becoming the basis to harass citizens
not violating any law.
or knowingly creates a hazardous or physically offensive condition, by any act
which serves no legitimate purpose; or(b) intending to cause public
inconvenience, annoyance, or alarm, I Guess the shooter at trolly
square was alright with you guys too until he opened fire.
DN Subscriber, your post makes the most sense of anything posted on this subject
Good luck on making these charges stick Orem. This is not Disorderly Conduct.
If someone else was "scared" tough. Let them be scared.Orem should cut bait and run. I see a nice civil rights lawsuit against Orem
by this guy. Where's Brian Barnyard when you need him. Oh, right, he's only
concerned with issues of Religion Vs. State not anyone exercising their gun
Yes, the guy was in his legal rights to carry, and totally irresponsible. The
police were not disorderly in stopping this man who was carrying an automatic
weapon and a side arm. I was there and witnessed the Orem officer stop the man.
I took eight photos of the proceedings. The police were no way harassing. They
had every right to question this man and his motives and intent. Police are not
psychic to know whether the guns were loaded or not. The comment above: Can
someone please point out the behavior that gave rise to the disorderly conduct
charge? The answer: 76-9-102. Disorderly conduct.(b) intending to cause
public inconvenience, annoyance, or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk
thereof. I witnessed a person stopping there car, in the middle of an
intersection, flagging down and officer and reporting the guy. If fact it caused
me great concern. Especially a week after Tucson. Yes, this guy did cause public
inconvenience, annoyance, and alarm. He also created a risk on private property.
I believe Mr. Taylor intentionally flaunted Utah Law in a dangerous and reckless
way. By the way, a Utah law that I completely agree with.
"Not open carry for an assault rifle," the officer replied.Where in the law does it say that? I looked and couldn't find anything that
would back that up.
Wyatt Earp just had everyone check their guns in with him at the Marshall's
Office when people came into town and they could pick them up when they left.
Earp had some who refused to obey this unconstitutional edict so it led to the
shoot out at the O.K. Corral. I guess Orem police could do the same and have a
check in and check out window at police headquarters, but wait, we all know that
would be unconstitutional. Or the guy who got the citation could have concealed
the weapons but oh wait again, that would require a concealed weapons permit
issued by the government. It sounds like the State Legislature has some work to
do to clean up this mess.
@WitnessHow was he irresponsible? The rifle (not automatic weapon) was
slung and pistol holstered. He was walking in a "public place" minding
his business. Note that 76-9-102(b) requires him to do one of the things listed
at i-iv. Which one did he do? None! Filing disorderly conduct
charges has been illegally used by prosecutors across the nation. It won't fly.
The Supreme Court has affirmed over and over again that the exercise of rights
cannot be converted to crimes.The police had no reasonable suspicion
to believe a crime had been committed or was about to be committed. They must
have reasonable suspicion BEFORE they detain and/or arrest. Law enforcement was
lying and out of control. What are free citizens to do when law enforcement
unlawfully detains and arrests citizens? They knew it and violated it and his
rights. What would the founders of this nation do? What did they do with out of
control government officials?How did he flaunt the law when he was
not guilty of breaking any law? Answer: He didn't.What was the
citizen reporting? A man exercising his rights? Pure insanity.
Utah Legal Director Darcy Goddard recently said "As the country gets more
focused on law and order, I think that theres an idea that we should all be
sacrificing a personal measure of freedom for collective good.But we
need to also remember Any people that would give up liberty for a little
temporary safety deserves neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin FranklinTo preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people
always possess arms - Richard Henry Lee Senator, First CongressMr
Taylor should not be embarrassed or afraid to exercise his right nor should the
populace when he does.When I was younger here in the state of Utah
it was common to see gun racks in the rear windows of trucks. Today fear
consumes too many and we assume the worst. What ever happened to presuming
innocent until proven guilty. Fear can be defined as nothing more
than False Evidence Appearing Real. Wake up, stop running scared. Search online
the video "Innocents Betrayed: The True Story of Gun Control".
If he was carring the same but wearing a turban and robe, would ya'll be so
thrilled at his exercising he god given right of intimidation?What
if he was a young man in gang attire walking thru the parking lot of your
child's school?This is nothing more than arrogance and stupidity at