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  • regis Murray, UT
    Jan. 18, 2011 9:38 p.m.

    Sounds like MUSS envy.

  • Florwood American Fork, UT
    Jan. 18, 2011 9:46 p.m.

    There's only one reason that BYU would make this change, and it's not to get students closer to the tunnel. It's to get students out of the expensive lower seats in the east stadium, so they can be sold to Cougar Clubbers and others at premium prices. No judgment here, just cold hard fact and cold hard cash.

  • jdub Ephraim, UT
    Jan. 18, 2011 9:52 p.m.

    Why don't they just move the student section out of the stadium and seat them at the Marriott Center for the football games. Since I was a student there the student section was moved from the east stands, which were pretty good seats, to the end zones where you got to see half of a game and now they want to tuck them up in a corner.

    I suppose students don't pay enough to have a seat at the game.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Jan. 18, 2011 10:12 p.m.

    Muss Envy?

    BYU has had 15000-20000 students at every game for 30 years.

    You have the muss which is great, but is still only about 25% of what BYU draws.

    They just have not had them in the same section.

    BYU has 4 sections that equal the 1 total muss section.

    Where is your mighty muss for basketball?

    boy it will be great to put Utah in our rear view mirror.

    good riddance

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Jan. 18, 2011 10:16 p.m.

    Sounds like a plan to create MUSS envy.

  • GoColts Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 18, 2011 10:17 p.m.

    Sounds like BYU is doing what almost every big time college does. Hate to brake it to you, but the MUSS isn't the only student section out there. BYU is makin a ton of changes next year, and I think this is a great change as well. It will make the games much louder and better. And as for them being terrible seats - yes, they are, but honestly most students really don't care about where their seats are. They are just there for the environment and to cheer on the 2011-12 National Champions! (just kiddin but a man can dream)

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Jan. 18, 2011 10:28 p.m.

    Locating the students in just one area is a mistake. When I was at the Y, student season ticket packages included seats that rotated from endzone to east stands to endzone, with the west stands the only spot that didn't have any student seating. Having students all over the stadium is better, because you have pockets of intense cheering from all over the place. Older fans, for the most part, aren't as vocal. I certainly no longer am as vocal as I was when I was a student. Keep them spread out. It will be better that way.

    But, as Florwood pointed out, it's all about getting more money for those seats closer to the field. I guess they don't want students to have the experience I once had of sitting on about the 40 a few rows back from the Cougar bench. We had as much fun watching the medical staff do in-game treatment than we did watching the game. Too bad they are trying to take that kind of thing away from the students.

  • Y4LYFE Lubbock, TX
    Jan. 18, 2011 10:38 p.m.

    Regardless of what they do, BYUs stadium is bigger and louder than Urs (The incorrect spelling is intentional).

  • justmeagain Provo, UT
    Jan. 18, 2011 10:41 p.m.

    For those of us who sit in those sections and have for a LONG time, we think it stinks. It is a money making scheme by the university. Maybe I don't need football tickets!

    P.s. AND it isn't going to be like the muss. BYU students have to PAY for their tickets unlike the muss who gets in free!

  • SLCWatch Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 18, 2011 10:42 p.m.

    We travel to a lot of away games and the Arizona student section was awesome. The students gather outside of the stadium and walk in as a group which was really powerful. They all sit on the eastside of the stadium along the whole front behind the bench and down low. They made a very strong part of the game experience.
    I have seen the student section at BYU moved to make money and thought it was a mistake. As a 30 year season ticket holder I would rather see the students all put down in front on the East side again. It's embarassing to see the empty hole where the "rich folk" sit before kick off and at the half.
    As for the MUSS at the U, it's not envy. Utah had no one in the stadium in those sections when Utah decided to move thier students there. They took the students out of the Endzone and it was to their benefit. Each school should do what they should to make what money they can realizing the budgets they have to maintain and keep the student experience as positive as possible.

  • Oh, please! Saint George, UT
    Jan. 18, 2011 10:48 p.m.

    One problem with mixing the non-student, older game patrons is that the students tend to stand for a lot of games, especially if the score is close. That doesn't bode well for full-price ticket holders who want to see and don't want to stand. This isn't a diss on the students, it just doesn't do well to mix them for that reason.

  • In My Humble Opinion South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 18, 2011 11:05 p.m.

    "We travel to a lot of away games and the Arizona student section was awesome"

    And that has helped them become a national power...

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Jan. 18, 2011 11:07 p.m.

    What he needs to do is go to Texas A & M. They know how to have a stadium. That is one of the coolest places I've ever seen in my life. What a great feeling in that place. We need to change the culture in general at that place, make it more unified, and tell that band director to stop playing such lame songs like Star Wars.

  • SammFan Sammamish, WA
    Jan. 18, 2011 11:33 p.m.

    Stop Mulling and Start DOING! This has been an issue for years. How complicated is it? The students (my two kids included) HATE going to games and sitting by families and blue hairs who want to sit and applaud politely on occasion. This goes for FB and Basketball. As is I can at least join the students and stand the whole game but I'd sacrifice that if the kids could have a solid expectation of decent seats among other students. (Class of '84 and spoiled by the old Card Stunt section seats)

  • CG Orem, UT
    Jan. 18, 2011 11:36 p.m.

    A consolidated student section is a great idea and one that will produce an awesome cheering section like we see and hear at the Marriott Center.

    As was pointed out by a previous poster, it's better not to mix the students, who prefer to stand the entire game, and the season ticket holders, who prefer to sit most of the game.

    That's not a knock on either group; it's just the way it is.

  • Reader Sandy, UT
    Jan. 18, 2011 11:59 p.m.

    I think it is a great idea to seat the students together. I have attended games and sat with our BYU students. I don't like to stand all the time, but the kids do; so let them all sit together and cheer the way they would like to. I just think that the students out to get some good seats and not be stuck in a corner where they can't even see what is going on. Our daughter is a major football fan. She pays attention to the game and would not be happy sitting where she couldn't even see it. I think that is a shaft to the students.

  • byucougarblue Orem, UT
    Jan. 19, 2011 12:06 a.m.

    Unified (baloney) student section at LES?...bad idea, Bad Idea, BAD IDEA. I'm an alum, and my opinion is sincere. This is obviously a plan to make more money from otherwise "good seats". LES is an intimidating, LOUD venue and it's because the students are spread around. Besides, come on, the students deserve great seats now and then. Student packets only seat students in amazing spots maybe once a season anyway. Rotating seats is fair, while stuffing all students into a corner for every game isn't fair. (that's how we treat the utes) After all, IT'S THEIR TIME at BYU. There are bound to be better ways to increase revinue...so please, from an alum, don't steal the college experience from the students by shoving them to the side so more money can be made from seats the students deserve! (And, it's not true that most students don't care about where they sit!) Independence is gonna be amazing...the experience for the students has to be amazing too...not just for those with the bucks, who also sit on their hands at games and never cheer anyway.

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    Jan. 19, 2011 1:17 a.m.

    Here's a thought - kick the blue hairs out of the lower sideline seats and put the students there. The blue hairs can watch from the corner end zone seats...

  • DixieAggie St.George, Utah
    Jan. 19, 2011 5:25 a.m.

    Why do BYU students have to pay to attend their football games? The Utah State University and the University of Utah allow their students one free ticket to every home football game. Weird.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 19, 2011 6:52 a.m.

    Hmmm how many times have they played at Rice-Eccles? Haven't they noticed the MUSS section? or the FUSS section? Or most any other school they have played at....this one took awhile for them to get.

    Maybe their theme for this year will be, "Quest for a student section". Something catchy like that:)

  • DC Alexandria, VA
    Jan. 19, 2011 7:06 a.m.

    Please do it. Every other football team in the country does it and I've never understood why BYU doesn't do it.

  • TaipeiModerate New Haven, CT
    Jan. 19, 2011 7:11 a.m.

    Part of the reason LES is so loud is because the students are given nose bleeds and they go pack their way in next to their friends who have better rotated seats. When alumni come to get their seats, they just simply pretend like they are in the right spot.

    If you should all of them in one corner, less students will be able to pull this stunt off and less students will come to the game.

  • Really??? Kearns, UT
    Jan. 19, 2011 7:25 a.m.

    The entire lower portion of the east stands should be the student section. They are there watching student athletes watching their college team while they attend the university. They actually pay for their tickets and are responsible for a larger group of students at the games than the other college teams in the state. They deserve good seat that will allow them to make noise across all 100 yards of the football field.

  • Just Me SLC, UT
    Jan. 19, 2011 7:26 a.m.

    Wrap it any way you want...

    The bottom line is:

    MONEY.

    Sad commentary on the state of college athletics in general.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Jan. 19, 2011 7:27 a.m.

    This is about money, pure and simple.

  • Oregonian Sherwood, OR
    Jan. 19, 2011 8:06 a.m.

    MUSS envy? Maybe BYU should break up the students even more and have 4 sections each bigger than the MUSS.

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    Jan. 19, 2011 8:26 a.m.

    In my mind this has absolutely NOTHING to do with money. WHY has it taken 20+ years for BYU to FINALLY figure this out? I have been a season ticket holder now for the past 5 years and I am about to graduate. I would have KILLED to have a chance to be in a 15,000-20,000+ seat student section so that I could be part of the fun college student atmosphere of having a student section during college football games. This is about the kids for crying out loud! We only get to be students once, and we're sick and tired of putting up with subsidizing the old rich people's tickets with our loan dollars only to sit in sections where they complain about you cheering too loud and having too much fun. This is FOOTBALL, not church! If you want peace and quiet, watch the games from your living room and play classical music in the background. If you are concerned about being too quiet, well WHOSE FAULT IS THAT? We don't control how loud you cheer, YOU DO. So for heavens sakes, let the kids have fun! Not EVERYTHING is about money.

  • just-a-fan Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 19, 2011 8:30 a.m.

    One problem I see here is the the students who for some reason insist on bringing their babies to football games. It is funny (OK, in a terrible twisted way) to see these babies freak out when the canon goes off. Imagine when these parents want to bring their week old baby to a game surround by loud students? Sorry, I just really don't understand bring babies to college football games when it's 100 degrees outside. Get a babysitter.

  • XelaDave Salem, UT
    Jan. 19, 2011 8:33 a.m.

    Having attended several universities with unified sections and watched many games in stadiums with such- please ohhh please do this and get BYU into at least the 20th century with its student body- but I am sure it will take several more years of study and then some comeplling reason like riots will be used to not do it- unless of course it will generate more revenue then it will be done yesterday- ohhh it will- done then

  • just-a-fan Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 19, 2011 8:33 a.m.

    Oh and on the MUSS. Where was the MUSS 10 years ago? Oh, that's right, waiting for basketball season. Hmmm, come to think about it...where are the Utah basketball fans...oh, waiting for football season. At least fans of the Red Rocks are real fans. And MUSS envy? Really? Only thing this BYU fan has envied is your BCS trips and I don't mind admitting it.

  • sodiedog Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 19, 2011 9:00 a.m.

    It took a Penn State experience to figure this out? Havent' you guys played SC, UCLA and others (The U) that demonstrate the strength of student section solidarity?

  • ute alumni Salt Lake, UT
    Jan. 19, 2011 9:31 a.m.

    regis,
    15,000 at the u is 1/3 the stadium size. sounds like stadium size envy.

  • ute alumni Salt Lake, UT
    Jan. 19, 2011 9:37 a.m.

    dixieaggie:
    that is because u and usu couldn't get their students to buy tickets, thus empty sectins in small arenas and stadiums

  • ute4ever West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 19, 2011 9:40 a.m.

    Agree with Regis...nothing but MUSS envy.

  • MAFU Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 19, 2011 9:46 a.m.

    There is a nominal fee to join the MUSS. The benefits of membership include a tail-gate meal before every game (not PB&J sandwiches prepared by the Cannon Center), priority seating based on student seniority, and a t-shirt. It is one of the best deals in all of College Football. We all know how Cougar fans like a deal, right?

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    Jan. 19, 2011 9:48 a.m.

    It will be good to have the students all together. They are more animated than older groups who (sadly) get annoyed at the constant standing up. BUT ... can't we give them better seats than that?

    It makes me sad. As a freshman, I got to sit on the 50 yard line for BYU/Miami in 1990. They will surely miss out on that kind of incredible experience.

  • UU702 Layton, UT
    Jan. 19, 2011 9:51 a.m.

    Can't wait 'til they name it...given the track record it should be a good belly laugh. I vote for "the litter box!"

  • Hanksboy Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 19, 2011 9:53 a.m.

    This is a financial decision. Period. If it results in "a more unified student section" or a "louder student section" those will simply be by-products of the decision to make more good seats available to the paying public.

    I am a BYU alum but I wish the school would just tell it like it is instead of trying to obfuscate the obvious.

  • Cougar Cindy Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 19, 2011 10:07 a.m.

    I was a student when we were seated in the center of the east side of the stadium. I totally support a student section in those good seats again. That's why college football is so great, because of students. Put them center stage, where they'll be best seen and heard by the team, and the cameras, and us blue hair fans.

    GO COUGARS!

    PS--I think initially the U gave free tickets to their students to get them out. And I think there are some service obligations for members of MUSS in exchange for the privelege. BYU doesn't really need such incentives. These things happen anyway.

    And BTW, revenues are not evil. They build the program.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Jan. 19, 2011 10:11 a.m.

    Pull them all from the endzones and put them all on the east side like it was years ago before the expansions to the stadium. They deserve to be together near the center. If you want to reserve ...say the first 10 lower rows along the entire east middle front for higher paying fans then do the necessary fixture reconstruction modifications that will clearly separate and distinguish that section from the students. But at least be up front about it. Money is obviously the bottom line. This stadium is growing obsolete anyways.

    Scoobie
    HLM Class of 81

  • Cougs4Life Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 19, 2011 10:30 a.m.

    Can't agree more that a more unified student section would enhance the game experience, but for that to be effective, the students need to be in the middle of the game and not relegated to the endzones.

    As a BYU student 20 years ago, I still remember watching Marshall Faulk play at LES from the 45 yard line, and having tickets on the 15th row for Notre Dame's first visit. Priceless memories (although both games were not wins for the Cougars).

    I've returned for a few games since I graduated, and must admit that it is frustrating to only be able to get tickets in the upper West or upper end zone, but it only makes me cherish those college days even more.

    This will only work if the students are in the middle of the action and not relegated to a corner of the stadium.

  • Just Me SLC, UT
    Jan. 19, 2011 10:34 a.m.

    RE: COugar Claws

    "absolutely NOTHING to do with money"

    Could I interest you in some Malaluca or perhaps the chance to save AND make money by buying products you use every day from yourself and your friends and your friends friends.....

    HAHAHAHAHA

    Nothing to do with money.

    THat was a good one!!!

  • Deray Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 19, 2011 10:42 a.m.

    They need to do something down there. Max Halls senior year they had college game day there for the TCU game, They were showing the fans through out the first quarter(after that they had nothing to cheer about). The fans were all sitting there, no excitement, no screaming, just a bunch of older people sitting in their seats, not even looking like they wanted to be there, the atmosphere in that stadium is so boring, they need to liven it up so that it feels like a college football game, I think they need to put the student section right behind the players bench so that they can feed off of them.

  • Janell Ventura, Ca
    Jan. 19, 2011 10:56 a.m.

    I feel that the whole east side should be student seating, not tucked away in the corner, especially since the games will be shown nationally. I mean, when the camera pans to the cheering student's, are they going to focus on the end zone on the other side of the field, while the good seats are taken by older, more sedate people who remain seated discussing the finer points of the game? That's gonna look good seeing how the Y treats it's students.
    It would also solve the annoying problem of trying to watch the game while all about me, students are standing up the whole game...FOR NO APPARENT REASON. I can't tell you how annoying it is to try to watch the game, but the younger students refused to sit down, so you can't see. I swear, it's the only example of selfishness that I saw the whole time I was at BYU.
    Can someone please explain to me why the students refuse to sit down for the WHOLE game? Please?

  • ideasnstuff Orem, UT
    Jan. 19, 2011 11:12 a.m.

    Geezer memories

    I was a freshman at the U in 1969. All a student had to do to get into the stadium (or the brand-new Special Events Center [now Huntsman]) was to show your ID card, walk in, and take a seat in the student section, first come-first served. The seats were good, and so was the football team in that era. I also got to see the first game ever played in the Huntsman - a squeaker win against Stanford with a little help from the refs. But that was a great team, with Newlin and Gardner.

    I'm a BYU guy now, but went to the "sold-out" Oregon State game last year at RES as a guest of a relative. I even wore red! The upper southeast corner of the stadium was a sea of empty benches dotted with, what were they, MUSS guys? They didn't seem very mighty. Lots of middle fingers, F-bombs and other obscenities, many of them directed at the U's own players and coaching staff.

    My how times have changed.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Jan. 19, 2011 11:30 a.m.

    @Janell
    ...it's a tradition...probably from Texas. The Aggies of A&M most likely. They used to actually pick a student 12th player a week or two before each Home Game and have him practice with the team. Then on Game Day he would dress in full pads and uniform...and if he had demonstraded Athletic abilities they sometimes (...but rarely...) actually allowed him a play or two in that week's game with guided instruction as to what to do. Usually on a Kickoff or a Return. After all it isn't Rocket Science out there.

    The crowd is considered the 12th player on the field. And since the students represent that 12th Player then they are on their feet just as if they were on the field. That's why they should all be together and not spread throughout the stadium. It would be an even greater mistake... to put them in a Corner. The worst possible choice... Keep them up front midsection where the cameras will be...and let them play their part. They can still be monitored and the bad ones removed as always... but it will make the game a lot more interesting.

  • sticks17 Midway, UT
    Jan. 19, 2011 11:56 a.m.

    dixieaggie:
    Students pay this thing called Tuition and FEES. Not Tuition and free tickets to games. muss envy, hardly. How can you call yourself "mighty" when there more of the opposing teams fans in your section?

  • Andre Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 19, 2011 12:22 p.m.

    Ha! The most insulting thing about all of this must be to have the athletic department suits trying to convince students that it's a good thing and really all about "enhancing the spirit and unity of the game" and inspiring the football team...cough, cough, bs.

    I think a little honesty would be refreshing here.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 19, 2011 12:28 p.m.

    When the U of U sent surveys out on how to fill the football stadium, I had one simple answer. Just start winning games. I was quickly cut down for that remark. They wanted ideas of offering scholarships, giving t-shirts away, giving food away etc. Again, I said the only thing you need to do to fill the stadium is to start winning.

    I kinda miss the days when I could walk in, not have my ticket checked sit down in the front row on the 50 yard line and watch a game.

    Now it's trendy and popular to show up with a winning team. Turns out I was right. Now they have several layers of security to keep people out. Amazingly they can't seem to keep the alcohol out of the stadium. Again, it's just trendy for those people to be there. If we want to get rid of them, start losing games. They'll find some other trendy thing to do, then I'll have the stadium to myself again.

  • SportzFan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 19, 2011 12:29 p.m.

    I was a student, have memories of sitting up front where it looked like the pass from Giff, Wilson, McMahon, Young was coming right to me (BS and Masters). Of course, moe often than not I was sitting on the nosebleeds... Rotating sections and nostalgia -- not all they are cracked up to be.

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Jan. 19, 2011 12:30 p.m.

    @dixieaggie

    utah and usu give away tickets because they have to. BYU on the otherhand does not have to do that. Usually there aren't enough tickets for everyone that is willing to pay.

    Fortunately they make it affordable to students but there is no need to give something away that you can sell.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Jan. 19, 2011 12:45 p.m.

    Makes sense to me. Get the student sections all together for a better experence and more support. The relatively small MUSS was created because they saw student sections at BYU and other schools and copied them. BYU will now make some minor changes, charge a fee to their students, and the MUSS will be looking at a student group 3-4 times as large as the one Utah can create by letting people in for free. BYU stadium holds 30,000 more people than the TUN and they still have to turn some away. The envy will be coming from a little farther north I think.

  • DixieAggie St.George, Utah
    Jan. 19, 2011 12:49 p.m.

    Duckhunter,

    That makes a lot of sense. I guess U of U and USU students have better things to do with their time. J/K.

  • COUGARNATE Lyman, WY
    Jan. 19, 2011 1:19 p.m.

    What ever BYU does, I hope they put the band with the students. I'm sick of being by the band playing pop corn popping, while the referee is announcing a call on a penalty or replay!!! I actually think a consolidated student section is a good thing. It makes sense to put them together. The north end zone can stand on its own. Its the side line seats where the non-cheering fans sit. I've set in the north for years, and it is loud in our section. We end up standing about half the game too. Just get the band away from my section. They set in the section right next to mine, and I'm about 6 rows below them & they drive me crazy!!!

  • Oregonian Sherwood, OR
    Jan. 19, 2011 1:20 p.m.

    Speaking of stadium seating, why do both the U and Y put their own teams on the east side of the stadium, looking into the hot sun on early fall days. Why not switch the team sidelines and put the opposing teams in the sun and against the louder side of the stadiums?

  • canyonhawk83 Springville, UT
    Jan. 19, 2011 2:09 p.m.

    One of my biggest beefs when I was at the Y was our student section. We have been doing the same cheers over and over for who knows how long. I doubt just one section will do it--the Marriott center has a united section and we still aren't very creative--but maybe it will help.

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    Jan. 19, 2011 2:19 p.m.

    Re: Just Me

    I have no idea what you just said and no I don't want any of your fake products. But. . .

    Ok, having a student section probably has SOMETHING to do with money, a little bit.

    Happy?

    Going Independent was never about money even though there will be more of it. It was about making it possible to even watch BYU play in more than just Utah and the states bordering it.

    In the same way an actual student section isn't about more money necessarily even though it might increase revenue. It is about enhancing the experience for the fans and creating an exciting atmosphere. MONEY is what the by-product of that is. I just get sick and tired of everyone having the mindset that everything is money driven because that's not at all true. I also get tired of it because a lot of the obsession over it because a lot of society's problems exist because of it.

    Maybe I'm off base but. . .my comment has 6 recommendations, how many does yours have? So what I said before seems to make sense to more people than just me.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 19, 2011 2:34 p.m.

    Let the kids in for free!

    Never understood why a school that clearly does not need the money, would not allow their students into the games for free.

    I mean, with this massive contract with ESPN, they can certainly afford to do it now, right? Nah, it looks like they are going to push the students to the endzone seats to make more money. Interesting

  • eceryda Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 19, 2011 3:27 p.m.

    If you want to sit and watch the game stay home and do it from your couch

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Jan. 19, 2011 5:33 p.m.

    Muss Envy?

    I guess I just miss the Ute Logic.

    Was the UofU the first school to form a "student section"?

    I think the U of U fanbase really believes that the U invented football in the year 2003, and everything that happened before that... didn't.
    ===

    Give the students free tickets, and just raise tuition...

    One way or another, they will be paying for ticks...

    It's college, part of your education in life.

    TINSTAAFL.

  • Kyle loves BYU/Jazz Provo, UT
    Jan. 19, 2011 8:17 p.m.

    When I was a freshman in 2004 the all sports pass was around $90 this year they went for around $130. The last two years they started letting students buy up to 3 guest passes for $150 dollars but all that did was let in a bunch of parents and other people who clearly did not belong in the student section. It drove me insane to have old people who didn't want to stand up in the "student section"

    In 4 years I had good tickets on the sideline once. Twice I had good tickets in the end zone. The rest were all over 20 rows up. It sounds like it will only get worse.

    I hope the extra money is worth taking away some great memories from the students. Most of their classes are huge with professors who couldn't care less why make students feel important at sporting events when they don't make them feel important at any other time.

    Its all about the Benjamin's. Its sad when even BYU acts like that.

  • Kyle loves BYU/Jazz Provo, UT
    Jan. 19, 2011 8:22 p.m.

    Please excuse the horrible grammar in my last post. I guess I should learn to proofread.

    I don't mean to sound like a bitter graduate, but I think BYU pretends to be something it isn't at times. Hey what matters most is that there is a place for Mormons to meet other Mormons and get married right?

    At least the MC has general admission so the most dedicated fans get the best seats in the student section. Maybe if they made the student section at the football game the same way I'd be ok with that. Seats according to seniority aren't a bad idea. Maybe just not giving tickets to super seniors would get them to graduate.

  • alternate Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 19, 2011 9:01 p.m.

    Money, students standing together not blocking the view for others, 15,000 unified voices, all are good reasons. The Southeast end zone area is a good seat and the students will do well there. I hope they move the band to the Southend zone. I suspect they will. What hasn't been talked about much is that BYU may have 7 home games years in the near future. Their own TV rights, an extra home game, not needing to share bowl revenue, additionl money from prime seat locations. All good indications of a thriving program.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Jan. 19, 2011 9:19 p.m.

    Duckhunter "utah and usu give away tickets because they have to. BYU on the other hand does not have to do that. Usually there aren't enough tickets for everyone that is willing to pay." I know for a fact many Utah season ticket holders were not able to renew this year due to demand. All games have been sold out (paying customers) for years; nice try though. On the other hand I do know that there were some BYU games this year that were not sold out.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Jan. 19, 2011 11:40 p.m.

    Tuition is what you pay to get and education, not to get into a game.

    To think that the camera crews are so stupid that they would not show the student section, regardless of where it is is not very intelliigent thinking.

    I agree, get rid of all the those who pay the money to buy season tickets and let the students sit in the prime seats and see what happens to the football program? Money is part of what makes this program great. Without it we become irrelevant.

    I never felt like I was cheated, regardless of where I sat in the stands as a student. Just glad to be there.

    I recommend all the students sit together and make it one loud horrendous noise for the visiting team.

    While you are at it how about building seats in the corners to add another 10-15,000 seats.

    When you sit in the end zones you can see what is happening on the field. Been there and it was great to see the holes open up on the running game.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Jan. 20, 2011 12:54 a.m.

    just-a-fan,
    What babysitter? Everyone else is at the game too. Anyway, these college students probably can not afford a babysitter. It is totally beyond the budget. This may lead to questions of how they can afford football tickets, but oh well.

    I know University of Michigan students have to pay for game tickets. On the other hand us Eastern Michigan University students can go to our football games for free and they rafle out prizes too. We just broke an 18-game loosing streak.

    This may relate to why USU lets students in for free and BYU does not. Draw your own conclusions.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Jan. 20, 2011 1:09 a.m.

    Kyle,
    I only ever had one professor at BYU who I would say did not care. Even my first semester as a freshman I was in a class with fewer than 10 students. So your claim about the classes all being over-sized is just not true.

    Maybe I am just not a big enough football fan, but I never minded the top seats. You go to the game for the atmosphere of cheering on the team and the comraderie. Having a good view of the game is not part of the issue.

  • Kyle loves BYU/Jazz Provo, UT
    Jan. 20, 2011 8:20 a.m.

    Class with fewer than 10 students? When did you attend BYU John Pack Lambert? And what class were you in? I once had a class with 20. Other than that never less than 40. I'll give you that some professors care because they do but the Psychology department could use some work.

    They are just sending the wrong message to the students. The message is "You are not good enough to sit on the sideline".

    Sure you can see the game from anywhere and its still great, but I would say those of you who don't think this is a big deal have never sat on the sidelines down low. It's an amazing experience and students deserve to have the chance to be there!!

    Yes I'm entitled. Students DESERVE the chance to sit behind the bench.

  • jdub Ephraim, UT
    Jan. 20, 2011 8:47 a.m.

    @Rock of the Marne 9:19pm.
    Is 100% of 45,017 seats more than 95% of 64,045?
    Nope, the answer is 60,842 is still a third more than the U's capacity.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    Jan. 20, 2011 10:58 p.m.

    Here's my two cents.

    I am in the band (to those complaining about the band playing during ref announcements, know that the band director is very careful to only play when appropriate, especially considering NCAA heavily regulates when we can play or not and we can be fined $1000), so this topic interests me. I admit that a sideline seat would be better than our posiiton in the north stands, but I got used to seeing it from the endzone.

    As far as separated sections, I would imagine that it makes the environment louder, but I don't know for sure. I think it is noticable if all the noise comes from one section of the stadium as opposed to a surround sound feel.

    And to add to the little class size debate, this is my second semester here, and I've only had one 100+ student classes (besides marching band), and a couple 50-student class sizes, with the rest being about 15-20 people. Of course, your major makes a difference (for example, math majors would have larger clases than music performance majors). I would say all my professors care about all of us.

  • AggieNation St.George, Utah
    Jan. 22, 2011 7:34 a.m.

    Mr. John Michigan duder,

    Utah State University basketball draws big crowds. Nearly every student wants to go, and we get lines for a few of the games. The demand is there, we just have a financially efficient university that makes it possible for students to go to basketball games without paying extra for tickets.

  • nottyou Riverton, UT
    Jan. 26, 2011 11:02 a.m.

    Still a very dumb idea.