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Hatch skips DREAM Act vote he calls "cynical exercise"

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  • chiefbrady Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 20, 2010 7:19 p.m.

    Senator Hatch: You may think your job is about a million different things but the bottom line is that you're there to represent your constituents. By not voting, you're not doing you job. Listen to the people of Utah or follow in the footsteps of Mr. "We need illegals" Bennett.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    Dec. 20, 2010 7:57 p.m.

    It seems to me that the current resident at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue frequently voted "present" in the Illinois General Assembly.
    I had to chuckle at Orrin's rationale. Given that logic, why did he cast all those other votes over the years? Perhaps Hatch has had enough of that Senate job and needs to make a career change.

  • utahman Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 20, 2010 8:43 p.m.

    Hatch should have voted, 'Yea'.

  • BYR Woods Cross, UT
    Dec. 20, 2010 8:58 p.m.

    "a cynical exercise in political charades"
    Hmmm, sounds just like election Nov 2012.
    Goodbye Mr. Hatch.

  • MenaceToSociety Draper, UT
    Dec. 20, 2010 9:27 p.m.

    Flip, flop. Flip, flop. Orrin actually supported the dream act before he opposed it. Orrin actually supported health care reform before he opposed it. As a matter of fact, Orrin sponsored a health care reform bill in 1993 that was similar to what passed this year.

    Flip, flop. Flip, flop. Spin that, Orrin.

  • dumprake Toquerville, UT
    Dec. 20, 2010 9:29 p.m.

    I like senator Hatch, but he knows he's in some trouble for reelection in 2012, and for someone who disdains career politicians; Hatch has been in way too long. Time for him to step aside (which I think he will do), and let a stronger conservative fill his seat. 2012 is going to be a wilder election year than 2010 because whoever runs against Obama will win, and the Democrats will lose control of the senate too. They will go from controlling both houses of congress and the presidency, to controlling nothing. Their legacy is a ruined economy, a president who golfed and played basketball while America burned, unemployment rose, taxes rose, debt rose, and despair reigned.

  • J. Adams Sandy, UT
    Dec. 20, 2010 9:35 p.m.

    Mr. Hatch, your no-show on the dream act is an insult to the majority of Utah residents. You publicly stated you would vote against the bill, then you had the temerity to not show up. Your absence was as good as a yes vote. You need to retire, you no longer represent Utah.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 20, 2010 9:59 p.m.

    Once again Sen. Hatch shows us the skills he has learned from his overly long power trip inside the Beltway.

    Speak against a bill, but then don't actually vote against it. Hope that later on you can campaign for support from those Hispanics who are pro-amnesty, while still being able to tell those opposed that you opposed it.

    However Hatch is right when he said "What do you call a Senator who has been in Washington too long? You call him home!"

    Hatch is no longer offering leadership for conservative (if he ever did) but only seeking to perpetuate his own power and ego.

  • cactusflats American Fork, UT
    Dec. 20, 2010 10:35 p.m.

    Senator Hatch won't get away with this spin. He needed to stand up and be counted on this issue, one way or the other.

  • T. Party Pleasant Grove, UT
    Dec. 20, 2010 10:57 p.m.

    The "cynical political charade" here is Orrin Hatch trying to look conservative with an election coming up.

    Listen up, Hatch: no one's buying it.

  • Elcapitan Ivins, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 12:17 a.m.

    Senator Hatch is already in retirement...all we need to do is make it official in the next election, that is unless he resigns. Hear that Senator Hatch, resign. the fire has gone out in your belly. I have known that for a long time.

  • hardware Erda, Ut
    Dec. 21, 2010 12:35 a.m.

    For the most part, they are all cowards when it comes to putting their name on something. Vote Hatch out next, he needs to be voting against this garbage we are handed by the democrats.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 1:15 a.m.

    I agree the Democrats were using this to gain support from the far left and Hispanic groups. They knew they did not have the 60 votes.

    On this type of action, no discussion is allowed, it's votes to pass. Hatch knew his vote would not matter.

    But I wish he would of voted, and showed his constituency that he is listening.

    The only way to force people to follow the law, is enforcement, not rewards when they break them. The 6-12 billion per year this bill would cost (besides the costs of giving amnesty to millions)would buy lots of enforcement on the local level, and deportation judges.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 1:45 a.m.

    'Just six months ago, Hatch spoke in favor of the (DREAM) act at a town hall meeting in Layton.' - Article

    So, first he's for it.

    Then it's a cynical exercise.'

    Then he dosen't even show up for the vote.

    It's not like I have EVER supported Hatch...

    mainly because he dosen't support me.

    Or any of his constituents.

  • AmPatriot Kearns, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 4:30 a.m.

    Hatch, you have really made a big mistake in that decision. We have had persoanl communication by voice and emails on this subject of illegals and their children and you assured me you were against all illegal foreign occupation, border crossings, and jobs by illegal aliens. Now you have made it clear you have misrepresented yourself.

    We are not going to forget this next time you want to remain in office. If the people still had the power to request the redress of an elected representative, I'm sure you would be fighting for your position now.

    Our representatives in Washington and Utah have lost sight of who their constituents are, and it is not illegal aliens or citizens of Mexico. Anyone entering this country illegally and by force is NOT an immigrant, they are an invaders and terrorist individuals. I challenge every one of them to produce any immigration documents just as every elected official should do. Pretending to be ignorant is not always bliss and is personal self deception to the truth.

    Sorry Hatch, I think you dug your own end of your prosperity, again.

  • Forrest Natchitoches, LA
    Dec. 21, 2010 5:47 a.m.

    Utah needs a senator that is not going to pass away in office, one who is not a career politician.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 5:50 a.m.

    I'm afraid the "graduation" excuse is going to backfire on you, Sen. Hatch. Utahns are not that dumb -- and they don't enjoy having their intelligence insulted. They especially don't appreciate you jeopardizing the country by skipping this important vote -- one which was rather close, to boot.

    Perhaps it is time to ow throw your efforts into helping Chaffetz win.

  • Older Reader Tooele, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 6:05 a.m.

    Hatch was elected to represent the people of Utah and is being paid to vote YES or NO, not to attend graduations or other affairs. He needs to step down or be voted out in 2012!

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 7:09 a.m.

    What is cynical is Hatch.

  • juni4ling Penrose, CO
    Dec. 21, 2010 7:56 a.m.

    You folks gunning for Hatch will regret it if you get your way and the BRAC comes around, and you don't have anyone from Utah with enough seniority to sit on the committee...

    There are *senior* Senators who would *love* all the jobs Hill would bring to their state...

    You might not like it, but *seniority* in the Senate = jobs (military and Fed) in your state.

    Go ahead, and tell yourselved that pushing out Hatch is a good idea... There are probably some *senior* Republicans who would like to see him go too, so their "spots" move up, and they can get more jobs for their constituents at the expense of jobs Hatch could protect...

    Hatch has done a lot for the state of Utah that his time and seniority in the Senate has bought for him... I think it is nothing short of silly to think folks can look at that and think that gunning for him is a *good* idea...

    Yeah, you go for Hatch's job, and replace him with a Jr. Senator who can't get a seat on the BRAC committee, and see what economic devastation closing Hill would bring to Utah...

  • Dropping By Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 9:00 a.m.

    Senator Hatch, I have always been a HUGE fan and supporter of yours. Now, you have precisely two options:

    (1) Keep up this politician's, double-talk patter and be hounded out of office as was Bennett. Destroy your own legacy with this desperate, self-serving spin, and make yourself a pariah within the State among normal people, or

    (2) Announce asap that you plan to exit the Senate, and gracefully represent your constituents (and not your own ego, as did Bennett) until that day arrives in 2013. Remain popular to a grateful and nostalgic Utah.

    Note that neither option involves your re-election, which would be a miracle far outside the power of ANYONE in this State.

  • Ralph West Jordan Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 9:09 a.m.

    This lates debacle is Orin Hatch at his worst, but as much as I think Hatch has let the citizens of this state down, Chaffetz would be the mother of all debacles! We can't win for losing!

  • juni4ling Penrose, CO
    Dec. 21, 2010 9:36 a.m.

    Hatch is doing a great job for the state of Utah.

    You folks are lucky to have a Republican with enough seniority in the Senate to actually get things done for your state...

    You folks talking about him quitting remind me of little kids who want a cookie right NOW! You don't have the patience to wait for your cookie, you want it right NOW!

    The truth is Hatch has done a lot of good for Utah, and will continue to do a lot of good... You can replace him with a Jr. Senator if you want, but you will then have to deal with the consequences...

    Hatch's seniority in the Senate means *good* things for conservatives, and *good* things for Utah.

    But, rest assured the (anti-Mormon) Senator from South Carolina who trashed Bennett (via video) at the Utah convention to endorse another potential candidate does not care one iota about Utah, or Utah jobs... All he wanted to do was get Bennett replaced (with a Jr. Senator)... A *brilliant* political move...

    When it comes time to "move" Utah jobs to South Carolina (or wherever) you won't be hearing a *peep* from the "Tea Party."

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 9:39 a.m.

    I like many have really liked Sen Hatch over the years, but this was a very stupid thing to do. We elected you to vote the way the people who voted you in to represent them. By not voting, I have lost respect for him. Take a stand and then deliver the vote. Like someone once said..."If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything." I kind of hate to say it, but I think Sen Hatch will fall come election time.

    I for one want a better explaination. Not voting is not being represented.

  • Monty1 South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 9:40 a.m.

    Once again....hopefully the last time, Bennett votes against the majority of his constituents. Bye Bye Bob!!

  • Hanksboy Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 9:44 a.m.

    Attending a grandson's graduation is probably a legitimate reason to miss a vote. That said, Hatch knows that a vote for the DREAM act would have been fatal to his re-election bid, and a vote against would have labeled him as a hypocrite. A political conundrum at its best, and one that will cost him. Hatch would do well to thank Utahns for their many years of support and join Bennett in the lobbying business.

  • juni4ling Penrose, CO
    Dec. 21, 2010 9:58 a.m.

    The truth is, Hatch abstaining from a vote on something he didn't want a part of isn't something that should be held against him...

    I have personally changed my mind on political ideas over time myself...

    For instance, I think Hatch was right in originally wanting to give returning US Soldiers American citizenship.

    Hatch supported (among many other conservative Senators) giving soldiers who have fought for our country citiznship... Then Liberals wanted to add pretty much *everybody*...

    Well, a bill originally for *soldiers* changed into a monstrocity...

    I, for one, don't hold that against Hatch...

    It turned into something *bad.*

    Liberals wanted to paint Hatch into a corner by seeing his vote... And his political enemies (in his own party) wanted to paint him into a corner by seeing his vote...

    He walked away.

    He did the *right* thing in the long-run...

    To be excplicitly clear, Hatch's original plan of giving US citizenship to soldiers who have fought for America in combat is absolutely good legistlation. Period.

    It was a *good* plan, it was *good* legistlation. And Hatch was smart to walk-away from the mostrocity that it became.

    Hatch is a good conservative. Period.

  • Tami Herriman, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 10:35 a.m.

    To juni4ling, What a poor excuse to keep someone in office-lets not worry about whether or not they are representing us, we just need to maintain seniority so we can get important committees. This is not a reason to keep Hatch, it is a reason to demand change! Assignments based on seniority limit our voting power and force us to keep people we may not want simply to hold seniority, yet they tell us we don't need term limits because we can vote them out. We need to DEMAND this change!

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 10:36 a.m.

    As a conservative (and against illegal immigration) I say, give Sen. Hatch a break.

    The DREAM act had very little chance of passing anyway and I think Sen. Hatch is NOW voting with the majority of Utahns.

    When I write to Sen. Hatch about issues, I get a good response. When I wrote to Sen. Bennett I got a "form" response (if at all). Sen. Bennett was all about "arrogance", ("you couldn't vote me out if you wanted to, my banker buddies will give me all the cash I need").

    Lets see what happens in the next year. It would be bad to lose Sen. Hatchs' seniority if, in fact, he will begin to vote conservative!

  • helputah Logan, Utah
    Dec. 21, 2010 11:18 a.m.

    This was not Hatch at his best. But the fact remains that he is one of the best Senators Utah and nation have ever had. His hand prints are probably on more U.S. laws---making them more conservative---than any other current Senator. With a greenhorn replacing Bob Bennett, Utah would be nuts to also boot Hatch. He consistently votes in the best interests of Utah and nation. And his stature and seniority-based power may be the only thing standing between Hill Air Force Base and other federal facilities in Utah and their demise.

  • juni4ling Penrose, CO
    Dec. 21, 2010 11:20 a.m.

    To: Tami...

    *Yes* Seniority is **extremely** important in the Senate, and Hatch's seniority benefits Utah...

    Get your changes in seniority... *Then,* and only then go after the folks you think are in it only for seniority.

    If you allow (as happened recently) anti-Mormon politicians from outside Utah to influence Utah elections to gerry-mander seniority... All you are *really* doing is setting Utah up to lose jobs.

    Change for the sake of change is stupid when it is seniority that decides things...

    Hatch is a good conservative.

    His original plan of giving US Citizenship to returning combat veterans was a *good* plan... His political enemies in Utah and out, and in the Republican party and out can call it what they want...

    If *anyone* in the entire world deserves US Citizenship... It is a soldier who has recieved fire in combat for our country...

    Hatch had a good plan to begin with, and when *his* plan turned into something else... He was smart to walk away from the vote. He did the right thing.

    But, yes, in the *entire* Hatch package... His seniority is a good thing for conservatives, and it is a good thing for Utah.

  • American Spartan Taylorsville, Utah
    Dec. 21, 2010 11:33 a.m.

    Dear Utah Republican party delegates,

    Note Senator Hatch has failed to show up to vote on the bill, either YEA or NAY. He said in his tweet that he would vote NO, yet he did not follow his principle in showing up at the Congress and prove it.

    Representative Jason Chaffetz has more backbone than Senator Hatch. Consider dumping Hatch for Chaffetz or another candidate that is a true conservative and WILL defend the Republic against illegal alien invaders and domestic enemies, not just foreign enemies.

    Kick Hatch out in the first or second round at Utah Republican Convention when he's up for primary.

    It's time to clean the house. (Congresspersons who fail to represent Utah the proper and conscientious way must be ousted to be replaced with principled Congressperson-elect)

    Mr. Hatch (I don't call you senator anymore), you're next after your treasonous, RINO buddy Bob Bennett.

  • grip Meridian, ID
    Dec. 21, 2010 12:23 p.m.

    I Cannot understand why it is "stupid" to teach the law and expect it to be upheld.
    Whether it is selling drugs or not following the law to become a legal citizen, it is still breaking the law and needs correcting. Is breaking the law what this country was built upon. It seems to be wise to not meddle with something which is not broken.

    Enforce the law or get rid of it. It would develop respect.

  • Phill Provo, UT
    Dec. 21, 2010 3:10 p.m.

    Hatchm you failed to support your "original" stance from earlier this year, to becoming a total hypocrite, and you even failed to stand for your so called "new stance".. clearly, no one is buying it. Hypocritical Flip Flop failure. If you had a moral character and leadership to stand for what you have believed for years, you would have voted "yes"! That speaks louder then becoming a total failure of flip flopping .. like McCain nowadays. Politicians I tell ya, no moral value in them nowadays.