This year we are going to the trunk or treat on Saturday with our annual chili
cook-off and the next day we are delivering treats to our close neighbor friends
who we have been fellowshiping. Our porch light will be off.
This is not an easy situation to call. We first came face-to-face with a Sabbath
Halloween over twenty years ago when our eldest was about seven. We lived
outside of Utah, and our ward decided to do a Saturday Trunk or Treat (this was
a fairly new concept then). Our children did not trick or treat, but we did hand
out candy at our door to trick or treaters. It was hard for our children. Now it seems that Trunk or Treats have become yearly ward occurances in
addition to not instead of children trick or treating - the kids get a double
whammy of candy. In reference to the article refering to the neighborly visiting
during trick or treating, I find this to be a rare occurance. It seems like a
great number of the kids are teenagers in what are a stretch to call costumes.
They are running door-to-door collecting as fast as they can. Many more kids are
not even from our community but are being driven door to door by parents, again
collecting as much as they can. I think Halloween trick or treating has ceased
to be a friendly neighborhood activity.
It's the trunk or treat activities that have killed the fun of Halloween in
Utah. Years ago I became uncomfortable with the concept of scaring children, so
I took another tack - I got some floodlights and put them inside the front door,
put a sign on the front door asking: "Where will you go when you die?" and
dressed in white with a "St. Peter" name tag. When I opened the door I had the
Hallelujah chorus playing. The neighbors loved it! The next year I had a more
elaborate Book of Mormon theme planned when our ward started doing the trunk or
treat thing (I call it the ward candy grab - quick score for the kids so they
can then go canvas the neighborhoods too!) Our street is now mostly dark on
Halloween and it's not nearly as fun.
When I was Bishop about 6 years ago, I encouraged everyone to "get out and meet
your neighbors" on Halloween - sends a bad message if we're the "house with no
lights on" pretending to not be home. When you live in an area where you are a
minority, this is a great way to meet your neighbors and socialize with them.
I really don't like the "trunk or treats" that occur a day or two
before - all this does is increase the amount of candy our kids consume and
creates a "Second Halloween" -isn't one enough?
Great article. I've never lived in Utah, I live in Maryland, but the last time
Halloween fell on a Sunday our town had trick or treating on Saturday. (I was
very pleased!) They won't be doing that this year- but we will still
participate. It helps that my youngest is 18 and not as confused by these
choices. I realize that as Latter-day-Saints that we don't follow the sundown
to sundown sabbath rule, but I still feel better that at least a good portion of
the Sabbath will have passed before "Halloween" starts.
We will be giving out candy on both nights as our neighborhood is 50/50, many
are going on Saturday night, many are going on Sunday. It's NOT that big of a
deal, nor will we choose to be offended in any manner.
One thing to keep in mind for all those LDS Members who think it is wrong to
hand out candy on Halloween if it falls on Sunday. We are to be examples to our
non-LDS friends and neighbors, what kind of example are we setting if we tell
them we want to exclude you this year because it is Sunday? How do they look at
our actions? is this the way we want them to think of us? Especially those in
Utah were a large number are LDS. If you do not think it is right to go out on
Sunday I can understand but should we not think about the people who are not LDS
as well? I will admit the older teenagers drive me nuts but I handle them the
same way ever year, I have good candy for the younger kids and things like Dumb
Dumbs for the older who really are to old to trickortreat. I find each year the
number of older kids gets smaller and smaller. This helps me meet the families
in the area as I give out candy and my wife as she takes our kids around.
We have way too many members that thinks we need a prophet to tell us what we
can & can not do on the Sabbath Day. We have been told by the prophets &
scriptures many times & places about how to keep the Sabbath, so anyone still
not sure about this law of the Lord, well it is getting to the point of too
late. We have been told & I am so happy I KNOW! :) Also, holloween should have
been taken off the calendar many years ago. Search & find how it got started &
"IF" you are like me, you will understanf what I am saying is TRUE!! :)
I found the "when to trick or treat" approach taken in a upper midwestern state
to be humorous: Not only does each town and township and village
make their own decision as to what day, but what TIME trick or treating will
take place. (these are published at great length in print and online.)Last year, our daughter's town instructed residents that the time was to be
1:00 to 4:00 in the afternoon. I know parents of little children
might like the light of dusk vs complete darkness, but isn't 1 to 4 in the
blazing sun (and heat of the afternoon) a bit much?? :)
Actually there is no official Church position on when the Sabbath begins or
ends. I am fairly sure there is nothing that would prevent you from starting
your Sabbath at sundown on Saturday and ending at Sunday on Sunday. I generally am more in the when I go to sleep on Saturday night to when I go
to sleep on Sunday night camp, but that is just the way I try to observe the
Sabbath and have no problem with following a different way.I think
it would even work to do a one-time sundown to Sunday Sabbath for this
halloween. I would suggest that this involve clearly starting the sabbath when
the sun sets on Saturday, but as long as the way you do it works for you and you
can feel in line with the Sabbath, then go for it.
Mayfair, I am not sure there is any "heat of the day" in any upper
mid-west state at halloween time. In some such states you at times find snow on
the ground.I can see banning night trick or treating. It can become
a time for roudy teenagers to do roudy things.
While I was growing up, whenever Halloween fell on a Sunday, folks went trick or
treating the day before, on Saturday.
John Pack Lambert of Michigan,Yup, the kids with layered, fuzzy or
furry costumes had them unzipped and unbuttoned, or parts taken off and carried
instead, trying to dissipate the heat. And a couple of trick or
treaters, when asked which candy they were planning on eating first, responded
they didn't want any candy, but could they please just have a drink because they
were so hot.
This is a very simple decision for me. I will have my light on and handing out
candy both Saturday and Sunday. And my kids can go to the ward party as well as
Saturday and Sunday trick or treating. Isn't it becoming more and
more clear that our uniqueness as Mormons is NOT drawing more to the Church but
rather just making us seem more strange in general? It makes us feel good about
ourselves but more and more I realize it is not making others want to be like
us. Turn off your lights and risk turning off your neighbors. But so many of us
pride ourselves in our "righteous behaviors" that I'm sure there will be a lot
of dark LDS homes this Sunday.
Idaho Coug | 3:47 p.m. Oct. 27, 2010 Well said. I think too many LDS are
becoming Pharisees with things like handing out candy on Sunday. They forget the
SPIRIT of the law for the LETTER of the law. Several years ago my very less
active brother took his two kids out on a Sunday Halloween in an area that was a
high majority active LDS. A flier was actually put on doors from the local ward
to not turn on your lights because the trunk or treat would be the Halloween for
the members that year. NO thought was given to the less actives or non LDS. How
close do you think that brought them to the LDS Church? I know for my brother at
least it drove him farther away rather than bring him back in to the fold.
To All:I haven't celebrated Halloween since my son quit going out.
The main reason is because I hated to have to put the dog in the kennel so that
he wouldn't scare the kids when they came to the door. Whether you go out or
not is entirely a personal decision. It is a decision you have to make and
decide whether it is in keeping with the spirit of the law or obeying the letter
of the law.No where has the Church come out and said we shouldn't go
out on Sunday nor that we should. The reason is because we shouldn't have to be
told what is right or wrong all the time. That decision is entirely ours.None of us probably keep the Sabbath entirely holy every minute of every
Sunday. For this reason we shouldn't condemn those who do something different
than us. Since the Sabbath is for doing his work it really is up to us to
determine if meeting neighbors and contribution to them is worth the candy then
who am I to tell you it is wrong. I'm sure the Lord knows our heart.