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Utah Jazz: Sloan insists season not over – yet

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  • Chuck Nunn
    Jan. 3, 2010 11:32 p.m.

    Tim, did you ask Coach about Fesenko and Koufos? Getting those guys, particularly Fess, into the lineup will do wonders for Utah's interior defense. It's already worked! I'd like to hear what Coach has to say about that.

    Peace out from the Jazz Oracle!

  • Sloan is capable
    Jan. 3, 2010 11:40 p.m.

    of creating an offense that can be run by the existing players. The big question is will he add the plays and make the adjustments that have to be made?

    I think the Maynor trade is affecting the team more than anyone has mentioned. It sent a clear message to players that the Jazz were in fire sale mode and not adding resources but more interested in financial considerations.

    It also altered the PG play. Maynor might be an average rookie PG but he was a resource and he made the offense work.

    Not knocking Price as he tries hard but since the Maynor trade the offense has sputtered.

    The Maynor trade seems to affect the confidence and intensity of the key players.

    Maynor also tended to run the team at the right pace. Price does not and DWill often does not.

    The wrong pace results in rushed shots if to fast and an entranced defense of to slow.

  • todd from santa ana
    Jan. 3, 2010 11:57 p.m.

    Actually, are you shocked?

    Sloan, stated that "no need to put Matthews for now back in lineup"

    stunning..

    I Love DWIL casualness also on where the jazz are right now.

    Maybe teaching a lesson to those players would be if OK CITY or MEMPHIS went on 5, 6 game winning streak....


    As i Stated SLoan is inflexible.

  • billypenn
    Jan. 4, 2010 12:20 a.m.

    It seems to me that DWILL is questioning some of Sloans choice's but then shortly thereafter back tracking. Do I see some dissension arising.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 4, 2010 1:09 a.m.

    "That established, Sloan did concede that – largely because of early season injuries to C.J. Miles, Kyle Korver and Ronnie Price – the 18-15 Jazz are very much a perplexing puzzle."



    Here watching the Jazz play I thought our problem was no inside presence. That is, no interior defense or post up player besides Boozer.

    I don't see CJ, Korver, Price improving our team any better then it is now.

  • rvalens2
    Jan. 4, 2010 1:23 a.m.

    "Sloan insists season not over yet."

    Hmm ... sure seems like it!

  • RE: billypen
    Jan. 4, 2010 1:27 a.m.

    Do I see some dissension rising? Da. For some reason it gets ignored, but I believe Deron lost respect for Sloan quite some time ago despite DWill's media savy (coach) support speaches.

  • the Mailman
    Jan. 4, 2010 1:59 a.m.

    D Will omments are as close as aplayer will ever come to criticizing Sloan. I liked "You can't blame it all on Coach" (no, just most of it!)

    Read between the lines. He would love a different coach. D Will, me, todd and every other discerning Jazz fan.

  • THEeyepatch
    Jan. 4, 2010 2:27 a.m.

    Yogi Berra once said, "it ain't over till it's over", but the way things look for the Jazz, it might be close. I think the Jazz could make the playoffs if Boozer and D-Will stay healthy, but I wouldn't think they would go any further than the first round. A "won and done" situation like last year against the Lakers.

  • The problems are easy
    Jan. 4, 2010 4:42 a.m.

    ...to see. And it isn't injuries, despite what Jerry Sloan says. The Jazz played their best ball - not just of the year, but of the last two or three years - during the 15-game run when they had only 8 or 9 players, with Matthews starting and Maynor playing significant minutes. Remember, they were 11-4 during this time (and they have been 7-11 otherwise). Not only that, but their defense was solid and their offense looked better than it has in years - great passes, great ball movement, great inside shots.

    The key problems:

    1. Not running the offense. The offense has almost totally disappeared. There were maybe two or three good plays during the Denver game. The poster above had it right about pacing. The pacing's off. Right now, only DWill can fix this.

    2. Inside defense. This will not change until Okur and CJ are replaced. They simply don't defend inside. Boozer is actually doing OK - not great, but a lot better than last year.

    3. Energy. Matthews needs to start because of the energy he brings. Price and Fes need time, too. AK, Okur, CJ, even DWill way too sloppy!

  • Big Fan
    Jan. 4, 2010 6:16 a.m.

    Just to make the season more enjoyable, I'm declaring my loyalty to the Los Angeles Lakers...I feel better already!

  • FDR
    Jan. 4, 2010 6:16 a.m.

    IN CAPS, PLAY KOUFOS!PLAY KOUFOS!PLAY PLAY KOUFOS!KOUFOS!PLAY KOUFOS!PLAY KOUFOS!

  • Bored in SLC
    Jan. 4, 2010 6:57 a.m.

    I'm bored silly trying to watch this team implement Sloan's offense. Even when it's working on all cylinders, it's still boring to watch. Thank goodness for remote controls where I can flip back to check the score without actually having to watch the game. I think the only ones more bored with this team than I am are the players themselves.

  • Cowboy Joe
    Jan. 4, 2010 7:21 a.m.

    It appears that the chemistry on the team is not great. Players don't trust the coach the coach doesn't trust the players. Something needs to be done to bring in change.

    Tonight we will see CP3 and wish he was leading the Jazz.

    Go Jazz, Go CP3

  • Doug
    Jan. 4, 2010 7:38 a.m.


    This loss was stunning, without Billips and Carmello this was in the bag. Jazz play down to their potential.

    This could signal trades in the offing.

    Sloan has been trying to insert the hurt players, Korver when available, Price and CJ. All three will be traded or cut after this season and perhaps Brewer as well.

    Face of the Jazz could change significantly.

  • Miles
    Jan. 4, 2010 7:56 a.m.

    Just like I said on Saturday:

    Williams cited the case of Miles, a starter all last season.

    "He played good in the first quarter, then he didn't get back in (until the second half)," Williams said. "I thought it was funny, but I guess he took two shots Coach didn't like."

    Wide-open shots.

    "I thought he took good shots. I passed it to him. … I think we need to take open shots or we're not going to be a good team if we don't have confidence."

    Jerry is clueless. CJ is 3 - 5 in the first quarter and he benches him over a bad shot? Then he plays Price and Matthews in the 4th quarter? Yea, those are go-to guys in the NBA while CJ and AK sit on the bench. Good use of personal Jerry.

    I think Jerry is afraid that CJ might make a 3 pointer and he won't have anything to complain about after the game. Jerry please retire or trade CJ.

  • Trade time!
    Jan. 4, 2010 7:57 a.m.

    It's time to shake things up! Bring in some fresh blood. Remember how the Korver trade invigorated the Jazz? Work the phones! Make an offer!

  • Grover
    Jan. 4, 2010 8:01 a.m.

    The only mystery left in this season is whether the Jazz will make a deal, any deal before the trade deadline that would potentially break the team out of the sleepwalk it is currently mired in. At season end it is time for our hall of fame coach to hang it up regardless of the season result. It is time for Greg Miller to "own" the Jazz for better or worse.

  • IDjazz12
    Jan. 4, 2010 8:10 a.m.

    Sloan is so contradicting its not even funny. Two weeks ago he said about Memo and the other Players "I don't know what these guys are doing to get themselves ready to play. And now he says in this article "I've never had a problem with that," he said, "because that's my job, to try to get guys to play."

    So which is it? I appreciate what he has done and at the end of the year lets celebrate a great job done. But if this team is going to compete then they need a coach and coaching staff that is active with the players in all aspects of basketball on and off the court. Sloan has defined his roll and will not vary from it which is plain stupidity and it shows from there play, attitude, and record.

    It will be hard to follow this team until the coach and certain players are changed.

  • chipper
    Jan. 4, 2010 8:29 a.m.

    I agree with some on here who are saying that things will never change until the coach changes (that means not extending Sloan, again and again and again). His system DOES NOT work. Back in the day, yes, you didn't need to guard the 3 or have people on your team who can hit it, but welcome to the new NBA. Teams consistently kill us by utilizing the 3. I'll bet we actually outscore our opponents from the 3 point line maybe 10 games a year. In short, you can change players till the cows come home, but until the coach changes you will always see the same results. End of story.

  • Defensive Energy
    Jan. 4, 2010 8:30 a.m.

    Teams that make the Jazz offense stymie have one thing in common. They play with defensive intensity. The better ones switch well.

    They take away the pick and roll. Then they reduce Boozer to jump shots and the rest of the team can't get open inside or get blocked inside and the TOs mount.

    The Jazz spacing goes to garbage. Bad passes and shots go up. Good defensive teams flood the ball side which fouls up the Jazz spacing. Instead of whipping the ball to the weak side for an easy open shot the Jazz force it inside into the strength of the defense.

    If you were a player trying to implement Sloan's offense why would you play hard? If you play hard you can't get it to run any better so you are left with trying to invent an offense that might work. You are on you own when the offense fails in the first 15-20 seconds of the shot clock.

    That is when you see DWill dribbling for seconds trying to figure out what to do.

    The dribbling is an indication that the Sloan offense has failed.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 4, 2010 8:34 a.m.

    Clearly Boozer, who should be a leader, is not carrying this team. He a decent player, but he is not rising to star level. No more impact than any other player. Pity.

  • coastguy
    Jan. 4, 2010 8:36 a.m.

    Bring back Maynor. Put Fex in like the commentators say. Yes he freeezes on offense but he wil will loosen up with experience.

  • Not over yet?
    Jan. 4, 2010 8:38 a.m.

    Please. The Jazz's season was over before it began. Specifically, it was over when Boozer decided to return and the Jazz couldn't trade him.

  • Slow pace
    Jan. 4, 2010 8:39 a.m.

    When DWill brings the ball up slowly it is an indication that he is very tired or he is trying to figure out what he can run that might work. A slow pace is almost always an indicator that the Sloan offense is very hard to implement and has failed or is on the verge of failure.

    The other trap the Jazz fall into is going at to fast of pace. The Jazz outside shooting gets rushed and the shots tend to clank. Okur especially has to get both feet set to be good at 3s. That requires the right pace and very good spacing.

    When the spacing and pace are wrong that is trouble. However, the spacing and pace seem to be dictated by the opponents defense. Good defensive team can disrupt the Sloan offense much easier this year. The offense is much more vulnerable than last year. Korver (or another reliable 3 point shooter) is the primary difference.

    This team needs some innovation on offense. It is not the players job to make up the offense. But in Sloan's current system that is what is happening. Sloan's system fails and the players wing it.

  • The Sloan system is failing
    Jan. 4, 2010 8:50 a.m.

    because the weaknesses that he designed into it: non shooting wings, Euro C, reliance on PF, insistence on going inside against tall athletic defenders and good switching defenses are now being exploited by more teams.

    There has to be major upgrades at wing and C/PF or Sloan has to redesign the system to eliminate some of the weaknesses.

    He has to have a credible alternative to forcing the ball inside into the strength of the defense (results in blocks, steals and TOs). The failure of the Sloan system goes directly to Sloan in play design and player selection.

    The loss of Korver (or someone who can shoot) has unbalanced the system and made it vulnerable to disruption in the passing lanes (Jazz spacing is changed as the defense pack and floods) and to the throttling of the inside offense.

    Sloan needs to redesign his system to make the paint pack and flooding work to the Jazz advantage. That is what he gets paid to do (adjust).

    His job is to exploit the defense (all defenses are exploitable) and not get exploited by the opposition defensive adjustments.

    There is a coaching crisis. Sloan's system does not work.

  • Hollywood
    Jan. 4, 2010 8:53 a.m.

    Deron questioning Herr Sloan.
    Little Greggy Miller is going to have to choose between the two. Do you trade Williams so Der Fuehrer can continue to dictate his non-negotiable, iron-fisted will upon the team (no matter how irrational at times).

    Or do you finally acknowledge Sloan is just an average coach who is now on the downside and make a change. C'mon, two Hall of Famer's and no titles? Not having a clue re: roster combinations with a team that has virtually no turnover year after year.

    And where are the in-game adjustments? Yes, he has a bunch of soft players. But despite his supposed reputation for being a tough, defensive-minded player and coach, the Jazz are pathetic defenders. They have been for YEARS.

    And Sloan makes a LOT of the personnel decisions. When will he finally be held accountable?

  • Sadly
    Jan. 4, 2010 8:53 a.m.

    I don't like to admit it, but Memo is a large part of the problem. His value is tied to his offense and he has not performed since he signed his extension. Fez is not great, offensively, but he has an effect on defense. He should start over Memo. When you rely on Boozer and Memo to be your defensive bigs down low then you are in for trouble. Fez and AK are our best post defenders, but neither of them see any time down there.

  • fossil
    Jan. 4, 2010 8:58 a.m.

    probly to late to trade boozzz to get beasley, but if the billionaire russion buys NJ we might be able to get lopez who is going to be a good center and their first pick in the draft for AK, there would have to be some minor players to make he salery fit also.
    enjoy the major league jazz team as its all we got. just think if we had to watch bowling for dollars all winter, ugh.

  • todd from santa ana
    Jan. 4, 2010 9:00 a.m.

    defenses are too smart and sophisticated and athletic now. Watch a tough team on tape like the 1981 Rockets, and underdog I respected, take Great Boston to 6 games in the finals before losing.

    Tom Henderson the point guard for Houston always crawled the ball up the court, looking primary option pound it first to Mose Malone, then outside options.

    He got away with it and the .500 Rockets won series after series against better talent, but now DWIL when he does that, it is counter productive.

    You did not have a ton of athletic bigs like a Chris Anderson of today for the Nuggets, the Jazz do not succeed at this snail pace.


    I still say for the Jazz with this roster to succeed is to RUN RUN RUN

    even after made baskets......

  • Re C.J.
    Jan. 4, 2010 9:10 a.m.

    I say trade C.J., then dump Sloan, we want neither one of them. Your man C.J. is absolutely scared to death of contact or mixing it up in the paint where his athletism "could" show. Everybody that likes C.J. including you just want him casting away and not doing anything else. He needs to wipe that silly grin off from his face and go to "work".

  • Replacing Sloan
    Jan. 4, 2010 9:14 a.m.

    I would love to see the Jazz and Jerry Sloan do well. However, at this point it seems logical that the Sloan system is failing. That means that there needs to be substantial changes in players to fix persistent weaknesses or a change in the system.

    Sloan is going to retire. He is always on a one year contract. He is like an expiring contract player. He interjects uncertainty into the team.

    If Sloan is going to retire in the next year or two it may make more sense to replace him instead of making major changes in the players. Especially since Sloan hand picked the players and created the current crisis by designing the persistent weaknesses into the team and its play.

    Sloan designed the offense and picked the players.

    It seems logical to make changes in both coach and players. It is unlikely that Sloan will get enough of the right players this year to make his offense work right.

    More important, Sloan's offense is being destroyed by more teams. It is a flawed approach to the game that is getting worse.

    More fans are realizing Jerry is a major part of the problem.

  • Get The Message Fans
    Jan. 4, 2010 9:26 a.m.

    90% of you fans are so caught up in player issues that you can't see the forest for the trees! The fact is that we have the same exact team we had 3 years ago and that wasn't too bad, but this team has quit on this coach and are not playing for him now or for that matter ever again. They don't like him and his system and will no longer give effort or try to run his outdated schemes so where does that leave you? Fire and hire. Sloan should have retired years ago, whats wrong with this man? Haven't you got anything else to do Jerry? He still would have made the hall without coaching these last 3 or 4 years. Force his hand Millers, the man doesn't know when enough is enough. He's never quit anything in his life, so quit him!

  • Tatoos ?
    Jan. 4, 2010 9:30 a.m.

    What on earth has happened to people and this stupid craze? I can not understand the "magic-marker" mindset.....makes it tough to even watch NBA anymore..... I can just imagine when they become grandparents and are wrinkled and flabby with these great designs drooping to the floor.....real nice thought...

  • Change?-Look Around
    Jan. 4, 2010 9:35 a.m.

    I blogged for months last year about Paul Westphal who is now Saramento's coach, and look what he has done in a few short months with a team with "much" less talent and one that was in the sewer. They now compete and play hard. There are other coaches as good as Paul, like I have stated on another comment today, why not get one or two and get this boat turned around. Force Sloan out NOW!

  • think about this
    Jan. 4, 2010 9:38 a.m.

    The heart of the Jazz offense is the PG/PF. DWill is one of the top 3 PGs in the NBA. Boozer may be a little short but he is a top 5 PF (especially on offense). If they can't implement the Sloan system then who are you going to replace them with who can?

    That is the heart of the problem and why it may be necessary to replace Sloan and his system instead of replacing players.

    Does replacing AK, CJ, Brewer or Price make enough difference to save Sloan's flawed system?

    Until Sloan figures out how to punish teams for flooding the strong side and for packing the paint, his system is a failure.

    Adding wings who can shoot may help but will not produce a championship. Replacing Boozer will not produce a championship.

    The problems reside in the heart of the Sloan philosophy which is skewed to the inside game. Go look at stats on teams that rely to heavily on the inside game. They do not do well.

    The great teams this year and past have two things in common. A balanced offense Inside and Out and a great Defense.

  • Invisible Man
    Jan. 4, 2010 9:51 a.m.

    You know its a long season, I trust the coaches know their team and will improve on things, the word FIX is kind of misleading I dont think the JAZZ need to fix anything they just need to improve things, like free throws, man if they were shooting better form the line they probably have 4-5 more wins.

    They need to improve thier D-fense at the first of the season the bigs helped stopped the opponents point gruads "they hedged and found their guy" and the weakside rotated.

    They won some games on a small lineup that resembled a playoff rotation but to do that all season would wear them out.

    They will find thier feet and start winning more games, they will havd a long streak here in the next few weeks and real off 7-10 wins and get their confidence going.

    Everyone wants Fes to play more, but we dont see what he does in practice. I used to coach in high school and everyone wondered why I didnt play certain players, well they were lazy in prractice. I dont know if he is lazy, but I am sure the coaches do.

    IHAVENOTGIVENUPONTHEJAZZYET.

  • Sloan is a joke!!
    Jan. 4, 2010 9:51 a.m.

    You have to look at the overall picture. SInce 2007, the Jazz have taken steps back, not forward. If that's happening every single season, somethig needs to change about now. Deron Williams is not happy, their is no team chemistry, Sloan is well past his prime. This team is headed for the lottery this season.

  • Jim C
    Jan. 4, 2010 9:54 a.m.

    Point number one...one of the basic concepts of leadership is communication. If Jerry is not communicating what he wants or needs from his younger players, then it's obivious that the Jazz are suffering from the lack of leadership. Specifically from their coach. This must be why Jerry only likes to coach veteran players, because then he doesn't have to coach period. Veterans already know how to play, just run the system.

    Point number 2, in any other market, the media would be killing a coach who says it's not his job to motivate players, especially after a number of questionable losses to bad teams.

    Point number 3, Jerry wanted this team to stay together, he got what he wanted so now he should be held accountable for the product...no excuses.

    Point number 4, if this team isn't a contender, then why are the Jazz so content to keep the team together?

    Point number 5, it's obvious that the only way things will change is if the Jazz fans stop supporting the current product/direction of the team. The Jazz aren't going to pay luxury tax if there is no fan support.

  • Bob2
    Jan. 4, 2010 10:21 a.m.

    Here it comes! Dwill is subtly starting to put the blame on Coach Sloan. He is hearing it a little about sub par performances (on his part)against Denver and not being able to close out games when Kobe is doing it in grand style and so--being immature, he starts looking for excuses. Grow up, Dwill. You have only shown tiny glimpses of becoming a true leader in the Stockton/Malone mold, even though you (and Boozer) have the kind of talent to do that. BTW--this is such a sign of the times. Young people with all the talent in the world who simply DO NOT want to step up to the plate and lead and have no ability to make those around them better. Also-young people who (when the heat is on) look for someone to shoulder the blame for them. Usually it's a more than willing parent--but I don't think Jerry sees himself as Pop pop to any of these guys. Nor should he.

  • Effort anyone
    Jan. 4, 2010 10:21 a.m.

    Effort and JAZZ are fine. Sloan's offense is the most detailed in the NBA - and the toughest to defend. It wouldn't matter what offense you run - if the players dog it. Did Harpring or Korver complain when they cut hard and scored easy baskets? How about our players missing wide open shots - where other teams tend to step up. Players need to quit whining and get with it. Maybe we have players comfortable with their salaries and don't think they need to perform - after all they have one of the best coaches, the best point guard and the crowd is off the charts great. If Carlos Boozer reaches out one more time like he is trying to swat a fly as someone goes past him and dunks - I might vomit. Injuries- Stockton played with a broken leg and didn’t complain. Some players have this toughness and others are babies — which causes tension. GET WITH IT!

  • Some great comments
    Jan. 4, 2010 10:25 a.m.

    Some great comments but mostly - WOW!

    Jerry is not double talking. CJ's shot is pretty but he needs more and he's had time enough to be better. Deron is not walking slowly because he doesn’t know what to do you morons — he's disgusted with trying to get people to run and cut hard for the ball. I could go on and on but this is a waste of time. I get heated reading the Darwin comment column. Trying to talk BB sense to this group is like trying to teach a pig to sing — not happening and I am sure it frustrates the pigs.

  • Sloan blaming others
    Jan. 4, 2010 10:34 a.m.

    I like how jerry now blames injuries to 3 role players as the reason the jazz are underachieving. This is a a joke.

    When Stockton and Malone were here jerry always talked about no excuses for injuries. That because he inherited 2 of the toughest professional atheletes ever. He loved taking credit for their sacrifice and toughness.

    Now its all about excuses and shifting blame. When Maynor was here, Pricing was the 3rd best point guard on the team, so jerry's excuse doesn't fly at all. Miles is awful; Wes M is much better and helped us win games, so jerry's excuse doesn't fly at all. Korver would help, but Sloan hates 3 point shooters and plays Korver far less than he should.

    Come on Jerry, quite the crying and blameing everyone but yourself. Please do the right and honest thing and retire. Stop stealing money from the miller family.

  • stock2malone
    Jan. 4, 2010 10:48 a.m.

    Re: bigfan

    Fans like u need to go away. Yout team stinks (ther jazz) so you lend your support to arguably the best team of the nba (the lakers)?

    You are a no good front runner and will fit in with the other front-running laker fans.

    This current team makes me mad like nothing else and I'll be the forst to admit they need major changes

    But, ill never give up my support to them

  • RE: the invisible man
    Jan. 4, 2010 10:53 a.m.

    I would have to think that even you would have played a 7ft 2inch center if you had one? and from all accounts, I don't think Fess has been dogging it in practice. Have you watched Memo and Booz in the games? would you not bench them for failing to rotate to stop a layup? I doubt that anyone outside of Chuck is suggesting that Fess and Koufos are the immediate answer, however, how can they get better if they don't play? The last two years have been a waste as far a development goes. Even Phil played Bynum before he was ready to play so one day he would produce. What we all know is Booz and Memo aren't the answer to win a championship. What we would like to see is how good Fess and Koufos can get? and really what would we loose if we say didn't make the playoffs, a lotter pick = more talent. We aren't a playoff team today with our current front court. In the words of Todd you are a sloanaholic.

  • Boned
    Jan. 4, 2010 11:09 a.m.

    JAZZ ARE DONE!


    SLOAN IS DONE!

    OUR LEADER IS dEron "torrey ellis" williams and he is OT A LEADER!

  • Sickening Tattoos
    Jan. 4, 2010 11:15 a.m.

    This trend for NBA players to have all of thsee tattoos is digusting. It all started with Dennis Rodman in the mid 90's and seems to have grown more and more. It's a bad example, it's ugly. Disappointing to see so many Utah Jazz players with them. They look like Gang Markings.

  • todd from santa ana
    Jan. 4, 2010 11:43 a.m.

    No tattoos on CJ! Or Price!

    This will be interesting game tonight. I guess Okafor played well last game. Tough game, David West is superb. Man that was a small forward I wish we had, he is a great player....Tonight we will see true "paint protection" in Okafor

    Fes and Kous: I do not feel they are "the sole answer" if we do not see this guys part of the rotation, we will never know if they are long term options....

  • re: Cowboy Joe
    Jan. 4, 2010 11:45 a.m.

    Stick to the farmwork dude--you are lost!

    You said.

    "Tonight we will see CP3 and wish he was leading the Jazz.

    Go Jazz, Go CP3"

    Chris Paul is sure not leading his team anywhere either.

    Deron, as pathetic as his turnover-laden play has been of late, is still bigger and stronger than Paul and has dominated Paul in almost every matchup they have had since their careers began.

    Please try to have something that might have a modicum of logic attached to it.

  • Deron is not leader
    Jan. 4, 2010 11:48 a.m.

    Deron is supposedly the leader and yet all his turnovers are as bad or worse than they have ever been.

    How many games lately has Deron not even shown up?

    When was the last time he "took over" and carried this team?

    I can sure think of alot more game recently when he is totally disappeared...like on our big east game road trip. 2 games on the trip he may as well not even put on his jersey for all he did to help his team.

    When a team has to depend on a guy with effort like this as their best player then you know it will be a long season.

  • Anon
    Jan. 4, 2010 11:55 a.m.

    I read the other day in the Jazz Blog:

    In the 2005-06 season it states "However, rumors of discontent between Jerry Sloan and the young players persisted, while team owner Larry Miller continually expressed his displeasure with the team’s effort."

    It seems the last 4 or 5 seasons have had the same result, discontent. The only thing we are missing is the Owner raising all kinds of displeasure.

    Larry, I wish you were here!

  • Batman
    Jan. 4, 2010 12:02 p.m.

    It's not over until the Fat Lady sings?

    Right.

    I have seen this Jazz club for 2 years and they don't have the heart or effort to get it done. Yes, they have some talent, but even there they are over-rated.

    I for one am sick of watching the same boring club, and management sit on its hands and make excuses. BLOW IT UP, NOW! KO, that's you I am talking to. I have already stopped going to games and watching very few. I can't root for a bunch of heartless guys. And why you are at it, FIND A SHOOTER because Brewer, CJ, and AK still can't, and pretty boy is over on the bench with a bum knee.

  • Fedor to Todd
    Jan. 4, 2010 12:18 p.m.

    I think you give NBA coach too much credit. Who will replace the great Jerry Sloan. Phil Johnson? Nothing will change, same coach. Jeff Hornecek? He is no different than Vinnie Del Negro as far as we know. Zero in the column of the experience.

    As much as I hate to say, the problem of the Jazz team is the player getting pay most.....AK47. This the day where what who makes means a lot to players and they are not happy that man who makes most contributes least. Look at our money players:

    DWill-No heart, not a true leader, cares more about All-Star than wins

    Boozer-wants to play in Florida, hates Utah, doesn't play D, has no heart

    Okur-The walking dead. Up and down more than jumprope, no heart.

    Millsap-Waiting his chance, hates being backup to man with no heart

    CJ-3rd worst signing in jazz history behind AK and Ostertag. Headcase, no heart, no D.

    Fes and Kuf-Sorry guys, do you really think playing these stiff is answer? A stiff is a stiff and these guys are terrible.

    Lucky RSL euphoria has not worn off. Jazz are the stink.

  • Eric Maynor
    Jan. 4, 2010 12:40 p.m.

    Would be way better than DeRon down the stretch!

  • TODD TO FEDOR
    Jan. 4, 2010 12:55 p.m.

    good to hear from you hope the newborn doing well, see you in LA when REAL comes out: Fedor, trust me i do not blame it all on Sloan, one has to watch the body language nightly of some of these players and the lack of effort equals the attitude. Such, when CJ was pouting after being pulled for the bad pass Saturday. Maybe Sloan it would be nice to reestablish his formerly better coaching of past years. Heck Jason Kreis was willing to change, could Sloan?

    Nooo but hope springs eternal New Year resolution

  • My season of watching is done
    Jan. 4, 2010 1:00 p.m.

    I burnt my season tickets yesterday. I will not give them away because I do not want to inflict this torture on anyone. Sloan please be an honorable person and quit. Not one member of the team wants to play for you. Give back to the organization that gave you stability with no accountability for 22 years. Have a good retirement and don't look back.

  • Miles
    Jan. 4, 2010 1:19 p.m.

    @Fedor: You said, "CJ-3rd worst signing in jazz history behind AK and Ostertag. Headcase, no heart, no D."

    Take your blinders off. Korver at twice the money is a horrible signing. Re-signing Memo even worse. Harpring hasn't played in two years and the Jazz have paid him almost as much as CJ's entire contract.

    Should I keep going?

    CJ's contract is peanuts compared to what Dwill and Boozer are offering the team at 28 million a year. Those are two bad signing since niether one of them can lead this team.

    CJ may be the 3rd best signing behind Stockton and Malone in Jazz history. Maybe that's what you meant to say?

  • Julius
    Jan. 4, 2010 1:23 p.m.

    FEDOR

    you are absolutely correct about everything you said to todd............except the last part...........Fess could for sure help the jazz.........Koofus may could help if given a chance...we do not yet know.

    Wether good or bad chance (in Jerrys operation) is given to years of experience not talent or effectiveness. He would play Jarron Collings if we still had him. He would play mattt harps on 1 leg before Matthews. He would play Brevin Hart before maynor...he dumped Maynor...JAZZ ARE A JOKE!

  • Tattoo
    Jan. 4, 2010 1:25 p.m.

    DeRon should get a TATTOO on his fore head that says ALL-STAR!

    that is all he cares about!

  • akk
    Jan. 4, 2010 1:28 p.m.

    Deron is a leader. He's a great player... not a superstar. The problem with the Jazz has nothing to do with him.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 4, 2010 1:34 p.m.

    The Jazz have been very healthy so far. An excuse that C.J Miles and Ronnie price have been hurt? Those guys should not be starting. Kirilenko is their best defensive player he should play as many minutes as Williams. Millsap would get comparable offensive stats as Boozer if he had the minutes. He would also play NBA defense and not have so many turnovers. Boozer turns the ball over more than some point guards.

  • Miles
    Jan. 4, 2010 1:46 p.m.

    CJ is better than anyone on this team. Wait and see when he leaves jerry Sloan and Utah. CJ will be a star in the NBA. He has not been given a fair chance. Sloan is always criticizing him. How would it fell if your bass never said you did a good job. No wonder CJ has struggled with confidence. Get rid of Sloan and CJ would lead this team deep into the playoffs. CJ is a scoring machine but he has never been given the chance to prove it under Sloan. CJ could score 30 a night if he had the chance.

  • DT
    Jan. 4, 2010 2:02 p.m.

    JAZZ ARE DONE!


    put fork in em!


    They dumped Hot Rod and Eric Maynor....for David Lock and Kevin Kooger...in 30 years you will know Hot Rod & you will know Maynor.....but nobody will remember Kevin Kooger & David Lock!


    Jazz deserve what they are getting...Maynor pulled them out of their slump six weeks ago and they pay him back by dumping him...Memo, Boozer, AK, DeRon are aJOKE!

  • The Truth continued
    Jan. 4, 2010 2:02 p.m.

    Since the WCF team, we have lost Harp,Fisher,Collins and they have been replaced by who? Matthews? CJ? Brewer? Price? Fess and Koufos? who don't even play. Jazz management has done nothing except raise ticket prices and force everyone to pay to watch a watered down product on T.V. Welcome to your 09-010 UTAH JAZZ!

  • No more Miller
    Jan. 4, 2010 2:03 p.m.

    I wont drink Miller until Sloan is gone.

  • Get rid of Slone
    Jan. 4, 2010 2:06 p.m.

    Then dump Miles

  • Golf
    Jan. 4, 2010 2:07 p.m.

    Korver golfs real good!

    He plays dodge ball even better!

  • Roids
    Jan. 4, 2010 2:07 p.m.

    Sloan does not call timeouts so he can get home sooner!

  • not to DWill
    Jan. 4, 2010 2:24 p.m.

    From my view, Coach didn't put Miles in until the 2nd half because of his 2 missed shots, it was more base on his reaction defensively (or lack of) after he started to miss shots. Miles for his ENTIRE career has moped on D when his shot is off. A trade needs to be made ridding us of Miles and Brewer. Brewer's defense doesn't make up for his complete lack of an outside shot on offense. 21% at home from outsid of 5 feet, and 13% on the road from outside of 5 feet. Watch him against the Lakers or the Spurs and you'll see the guy thats guarding him 10 feet away almost mouthing go ahead and shoot it, you'll probably miss.

  • todd to sloan bashers
    Jan. 4, 2010 2:27 p.m.

    You know what to do. Bombard Tobie...Greg will be afraid to read these posts. Also, do not assume is all cured if they win tonight. Stay strong with the beliefs. Kous and Fes might as well stay home and get out of the cold and watch the Fiesta Bowl.

  • Jazz Cop
    Jan. 4, 2010 2:33 p.m.

    Re miles; haha, cj is a scorning machine, thats funny. cj is funny, i don't know what his problem is.

    I can't believe how much dwill turns the ball over, the whole team, wow, learn to pass, it's basic, real basic.

  • Chuck Nunn
    Jan. 4, 2010 2:36 p.m.

    Again, the Jazz are 7-4 when Fesenko has played at least 10 minutes and 11-11 without him playing or playing token minutes. If you were bettors, folks, which odds would you like? It still wouldn't win us a title this year, maybe, but we'd be doing better and Fesenko would get the development he needs to help us more down the line.

    Peace out from the Jazz Oracle!

  • There's your Jazz
    Jan. 4, 2010 2:40 p.m.

    How do you like em?

  • SC Jazz Fan
    Jan. 4, 2010 2:44 p.m.

    I will still watch--I have for years, but the trends are disappointing. On Saturday, the Nuggets were consistently getting layups or going to the line with their penetration. The Jazz tried to drive a bit but it always ended in a TO. Why? I don't think it was officating, or lack of a system or mostly even athleticism--the current Jazz are more athletic than any previous Jazz team. I big chunk just seems to be effort. I like the Sloan no-nonsense approach but ever since Stockon left I have wanted him to coach motivation and momentum. It's OK Jerry--the're just kids. We had all hoped that DWIL would provide that leadership, but the truth is that his effort wanes at times. In nearly every losing game there is a period of time where the Jazz try to get back in it and play really good D for a few minutes. I know it is no fun, but they need 48 minutes of that. That is how the Spurs and Pistons won rings without great athletes. I want to have the video of these times on a DVD to show in the TO huddle.

  • Invisible Man
    Jan. 4, 2010 3:01 p.m.

    A couple of years ago the Jazz did strugle when Sloan signed an extension, I remember that well.. Then they made a trade for Korver and that seemed to help motivate them. I would think that Sloan would be hard to play for for a lot of these new players (the curent roster yes even AK) he call sthem on their stuff and challenges them in the only way he ever has, Sloan has not adapted to these new style players that have been raised to play basket ball all year around with coaches that has catered to the talent.


    Right, wrong or indifferent Soan has not changed becuase he believes the game stays the same, which it does. BUT Sloan does need to adapt to these players if not then they do what they are doing right now, which is being inconsistant. These new players get down on themselves to quick and do lack confidence it is an issue with a lot of people this age.

    One big thing that they are missing is that D-fish is gone and now Harpring is gone. Where have all the good locker room leaders went.

  • Miles
    Jan. 4, 2010 3:11 p.m.

    Houdini learn to spell if you are going to post for me. Have Mamma comes to the basement and do your homework for you.

  • Mark in Logan
    Jan. 4, 2010 3:17 p.m.

    The season is over.

  • B.R.
    Jan. 4, 2010 3:40 p.m.

    Did you people read Chucks post? The Jazz are 7-4 when Fes plays 10 min or more and 11-11 when he doesn't play or plays token minutes or seconds. Tim were you aware of this and have you asked Jerry Sloan about this? I think the readers and fans would be very interested to see a follow up story done on this topic. This looks like something that should definantly be brought in to the light. This indicates that the lack of defense in the paint. (Boozer, and Okur) has more importance on the out come of the game than people ( including Jerry Sloan ) realize.

  • B.R.
    Jan. 4, 2010 3:51 p.m.

    Did you people read Chuck Nunns post? The Jazz are 7-4 when Fes plays 10 minutes or more, 11-11 when he doesn't play or plays token minutes or seconds. Tim were you aware of this? Do you think Jerry Sloan is aware of this? I think the readers and fans would be interested to see a follow story done on this topic. This seems to indicate that the lack of defense in the paint,(Boozer and Okur) has more bearing on the out come of the game than people( and Jerry Sloan) realize.

  • Two choices
    Jan. 4, 2010 4:46 p.m.

    I think there are only two realistic choices a this point. Either make the trades that will fix the weaknesses that cause the Jazz offense to stagnate and cause the defense to be porous.

    Or revamp the Sloan system to fit the talents of the current Jazz players.

    A system is worthless if it can't be implemented by the players. It may be worse than worthless if it fails against mediocre and poor teams.

    The ideal might be a combination of both.

    The Jazz might eke by this year with minor tweaks but the system is becoming less effective and less stable each year. I still think the problem is with adjustments by opponents on defense.

    They are exploiting weaknesses in both the system and the players.

    The Jazz may not be able to get the trades that the need and trading for worse players or bad contracts is not a good solution.

    I am sure Sloan is capable of modifying his offense since he has done it many times before with few people noticing that he has made changes.

    Get a system the current players can run. That is better than one they can't run.

  • Wings an s spacing
    Jan. 4, 2010 5:07 p.m.

    A previous post mentioned the wings who could not shoot or shoot consistently. SLC dunk noted that in Dec the number of 3 point shots went up while the percentage went down.

    The that is a symptom of a failed inside game and the lack of a well thought out cohesive outside attack.

    Wings who can't shoot or who shoot erratically and inefficiently tend to cause bad spacing.

    The wing defenders (opponents) are free to pack the paint and flood. That problem is a key to disrupting the Jazz offense. There are other ways to disrupt it but that is a main one and has to be fixed quick to save the season.

    Sloan/KOC have had 3 years to fix this problem and have refused. It is finally biting them hard.

    Sloan has been closing with a 2 PG offense. I will give him credit for trying but Price is probably not the right PG to do that with (all he has at the moment).

    Get a wing/PG who can shoot. Then work on the other problems with trades or in the FA market later.

    Get someone better than Maynor.

  • It is far cheaper to get
    Jan. 4, 2010 5:15 p.m.

    a quality shooter/PG out of Europe than to lose the fan base. The Jazz can always dump a wing later if necessary.

    Management needs to send the signal that they know how to fix the problems and are committed to fixing the problems.

    With the Maynor trade they sent the signal that they are more worried about finances than winning and that has affected the players and the fan base negatively.

    We all understand the need to be financially sound. But right now the fans feel that the Jazz either have no plan for creating a winner or are not serious about winning.

    Management needs to take a step or two that indicates a clear plan for fixing the problems. Maynor was a minor step forward toward fixing the PG/non shooting wing problem. Now he is gone.

    Send us a sign that you at least know what is wrong and have a plan for fixing it.

    The whole offense is in disarray.

    We are tired of the excuses. Take a corrective positive action. Talk is cheap. Real solutions are needed.

    A PG who can shoot and run the team is a big step forward.

  • idaho spud
    Jan. 4, 2010 5:25 p.m.

    Deron Williams has been so busy trying to earn votes for the all-star game he's forgot about being the point guard for the Jazz. He's been playing for Deron and that's it. I think he has been and can be one of the top three point guards in the nba but this last month he hasn't been in the top ten. Too many turnovers and forcing too much crap, and what about complaining to the refs about every call? I used to love the guy but I'm losing interest fast.

  • Used to love the Jazz
    Jan. 4, 2010 5:33 p.m.

    Jazz are going to lose tonight.

    It sucks.

    I used to love to watch Jazz games. Not anymore.

    It sucks!

    Sloan is still here.

    It sucks!

    Is the season over yet?

  • The Starting 5
    Jan. 4, 2010 5:41 p.m.

    Boozer, Memo, Brewer, Miles and D-Will. I thought most of you would like to know that. D-Will will come out within the last 4 minutes of the first quarter. Thats news also isn't it? Predictable, predictable. Oh well thats Sloans way!

  • Nerd from Santa Clara
    Jan. 4, 2010 6:15 p.m.

    Jerry says it ain.t over....Most of the Fans think it is. There are more of us and we feel their mistakes and failures just as strongly as you Jerry.
    We are screaming for some changes that you just ignore...maybe the customers are always right. Maybe the management is just letting this year run its course? Retire Jerry and KOC then maybe Greg will have the courage to regroup.

  • Greg
    Jan. 4, 2010 8:23 p.m.

    Are you watching?

    If yes...then be alive and make a move!

  • todd from santa ana
    Jan. 4, 2010 9:18 p.m.

    Just wait SLoan and all his meaningless supporters

    Just wait

  • trade
    Jan. 4, 2010 9:40 p.m.

    trade booz, ak, and miles for tmac, landry, and battier. this is salary dump time. see what happens with tmac, if he plays he plays and if he doesnt who cares. landry and battier both play with heart and purpose. in the summer we get dwade and tmac and korver come of the books. no more ak and we have some money. trade okur and the knicks pick for a center worth time, maybe brook lopez? sign a defensive minded/three point specialist SG/SF. that would be a great team.

  • Hugh G. Hater
    Jan. 4, 2010 9:46 p.m.

    Memo has disappeared.

  • Chuck Nunn
    Jan. 4, 2010 9:53 p.m.

    The reason Brook Lopez is so good in his second season is that he's had to play, the Nets didn't really have anyone else. We have Fesenko on our bench, who can be that good if he can get some freakin' minutes. Besides, the Nets will no way part with Lopez at this point.

  • Fedor
    Jan. 4, 2010 10:28 p.m.

    CJ is a boy getting a man's paycheck, playing a man's game. Jazz fan, join the twitter and let d-will, CJ and Greg Miller hear your voice. Financially supporting this team as fan is like eating food you don't like....just doesn't make sense. I take my money off the table for now...I am always the Jazz fan but will not support inferior product.

  • P Diddy
    Jan. 4, 2010 10:29 p.m.

    Honestly, this team has a lot of good players, the pieces just don't fit together. DWill is a great PG and Boozer is very talented. Also, when Memo is on, he is very hard to defend. AK is a good player as well. But, when you put all of them together, it just is not working any more. I think that comes down to two factors - the players not trying or the coach not motivating. I personally think the best that could happen is the Jazz not make the playoffs this year and then the front office will actually make a change. (But, our draft pick will probably turn out to be a bust like Snyder of Humphries.)

  • ronstermoel
    Jan. 4, 2010 11:02 p.m.

    Just face it the Jazz have no heart, they need to man up and no one on the team has since Derek Fisher left. However I do believe Eric Maynor along with Wesley Mattews were bringing some nasty to the team that would have paid huge dividends as the season went on. I could go on like how can CJ start play some minutes in the 1st qtr and then not get back into the game until the 3rd qtr.
    Jazz at times are one of the dumbest teams in the league, same stupid mistakes night after night.

    Nuff said!

  • todd from santa ana
    Jan. 5, 2010 1:43 a.m.

    I offer Sloan a vacation permanently. We all chip in, and bring in Jason Kreis and Danny White as his assistant to run the JAzz until Kreis goes back to RSL and White will take over for the balance of the season. Sloan could do some scouting in Parts Unknown

  • Lifetime Jazz fan
    Jan. 5, 2010 7:19 a.m.

    re: todd - please go support the Lakers!

    There have actually been a few worthwhile comments. No die hard KNOWLEDGEABLE Jazz fan would honestly say they are happy. There are fixes available without abandoning ship and it requires everyone from Greg, KOC, Sloan, fans, media but mostly players.

    Offenses don't work and overnight quit working. Talent doesn't vanish, crying never helps, bashing without knowing only helps the basher. You like Miami Boozer? Man up and go - today! When Stockton felt he was hurting the teams progress - did he man up? Did Jordan say he lost confidence when he missed more game winning shots than he made - NOT!

    Because Sloan doesn't go crazy from the bench, doesn't mean he isn't doing his job! All anyone can be assured is that the Jazz players as a TEAM are making the most pathetic whining effort in Jazz history. When everyone gives 100% it exposes the weaknesses and only then can positive changes start. Jazz can win - guaranteed!!!!!!!!!

    What a dream to be a part of the Jazz organization and be turning things around!