I went to Utah State and then transferred to BYU for graduate school. The
biggest shock to me was the emphasis on marriage and that every activity seemed
to be about pairing people up, etc. etc. Looking out the window I would see
girls carrying plates of cookies, cakes, etc. to the men's apartments. It
seemed that most everyone had one thought in mind--MARRIAGE. That was several
years ago and I would have hoped things would have changed a bit.
Similarities between cultures and beliefs builds bonds and friendship. Heaven
knows our world could use more of that. Cultural diversity tends to
round out individuals.
Great story!If we all treated others this way--looking for and building on
similarities, and seeking to understand and respect differences--the world would
be a much better place.I'n proud of the Muslim students and their
LDS friends. I hope they foreshadow the future.
Dear Andrew (quoted in story),We are NOT "taught to believe that Islam is
a violent culture". But we are taught to read media reports from the Middle
East, dominiated by Muslim Culture. Wow, if that part of the world isn't
violent, then God didn't flood the earth during Noah's day due to "violence".
Sheesh. 2 nice Pakistani Cougars (bless them) versus 100,000,000+ "Extremist"
Muslims who honor Allah by supporting violent jihad? Just can't tell the
truth at BYU? PC'ness is going to fry us.
I don't know from where Mr. Moulton is, but I have never been taught that Islam
is a religion of violence and hate. In the contrary.
Good to see the Y is coming along. Those who think Muslims are all a bunch of
radical terrorists are spending too much time on Fox News.
Great article! This seems to be evidence that two seemingly different religions
have so much in common and that with thoughtful understanding and patient
consideration they can exist side by side. Thanks for this wonderful
It's great to read about Muslims living in a Mormon community. My wife and I
are originally from Utah but have been living in Saudi Arabia and Bahrain for 14
years. (I stlll read the Deseret News on-line). While there are clearly
significant differences in culture, religion and politics we really have much
more in common than those who are not familiar with both societies and religions
typically realize. We really enjoy living in the Middle East. We generally
feel very welcomed and we appreciate living among faithful Muslims with high
moral standards. I'm very pleased to read about Muslims who are having similar
positive experiences living in a Mormon community.
What a great article! It certainly is refreshing to see representatives from
two great religions with similar values respect each other in this manner. What
a fine example for all of us. I think it is great that BYU would allow these
outstanding young men from Pakistan to enroll. The experience is rich for both
them and for the BYU students who come in contact with them.
Cookies? Marraige? WHAT! at BYU!
Your ignorance is only outpaced by your blind hatred. You sound like someone
that could use a little less alone time and a little more time in higher
I THINK THAT THE CHURCH IS CONCERNED WITH FINDING THE THINGS THAT ARE COMMON
WITH mORMONS AND OTHER FAITHS. tHIS IS CONTRARY TO TRENDS IN THE PAST WHEN WE
CONCENTRATED ON THE WAYS WE WERE UNIQUE. iT IS MUCH BETTER TO FIND
COMMONALITIES THAN TRYING TO STAND ALONE.
Treating women as property is a "High moral standard "? I guess living in some
century other than the current one is another "high moral standard' ? I guess
that until these Muslims take over the USA like they are trying to do in Great
Britain and institute sharia law everything is just well and swell. I don t
trust Muslims . Not any of them
I think Mr. Moulton was probably giving his first ever newspaper interview in
his whole life, and made a very unfortunate choice of words. I doubt he has been
"taught" to believe that Islam is a violent culture "and stuff." It might have
been appropriate in this case for the reporter to read that quote back to him
and ask something like "Is this really what you mean to say?"
I attended a presentation at BYU where I learned there are more Muslims in China
than the middle east and more Muslims in Indonesia than the rest of the world
combined. In other words, to the West, Islam has wrongly been
defined by the Middle-Eastern radicals. Most Muslims are peace-loving and
respectful people, including towards women, previous commentor. Not all Muslims
are like the caricatures you see on tv.
OK ,So not all Muslims are terrorists.But, all the terrorists have been
Muslim.Right, Muslims are so nice living in our culture.But you won't find any
religous schools in muslim countries tolerating anything but Islam.How many
missionaries does the LDS Church have in muslim countries?I'll answer it for
you, NONE!I remember Saudi Arabia trying to keep chaplains & Bibles out of thier
country when we sent our troops there to defend them in 1991.All of you
Pollyanna's just keep thinking that "diversity" pap.But don't don't try it in
muslim countries. You may not come back.
1. A prophet; Who superceeds the Bible. "But even if we or an angel from
heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you let him be
enternally condemned. (Galatians 1:8)2 They both deny the God of the
Bible the(Tri-une God)
Besides poverty and violence, name one thing Islam has contributed to the global
society?Name one, ONE!!, Islamic figure who has contributed to
science, medicine, social progress, civil rights, education, government, and/or
Give it a rest, will ya? Why are so many fringe Christians eager to stir up
To the Utah State transfer that apparently didn't enjoy having women bring him
treats -- get over it. Most guys like having pretty, young women visit.
@ significant commonalities:You might want to really understand what you
are saying before writing your nonsense. Your script is right from the anti -
LDS textbooks. Having lived in the south these "sentiments" were expressed and
when challenged could not be defended. Arguing with people like you serves no
I think some of you have better things to do than to trash on an article that is
meant to inspire feelings of love and unity. It may come as a shock for you to
that there are actually many "radicals" in EVERY religion. (LDS included) Let's
share our similarities and treasure our differences!
Great story. Hope we can all build on similarities this way.
All the terrorists have been muslim? What of the IRA in Northern Ireland? The
Weathermen in the US? ETA in Spain? FARC in Columbia? All muslim, eh?
@ "Significant commonalities"Thanks for your #2 comment! New
revelation did help us overcome the errors of men from the Nicean Council and
the deletions and mistranslations of the Bible to understand our Father directs
His Son and the Holy Spirit in working together in the Godhead.I
revere our Muslim brothers for their deep faith and devotion. So many of my
Islamic friends on the East Coast where I live are the best people I know in
their generosity, intelligence and compassion.Many powermongers in
all faiths want to "force" everyone to live as they dictate. That's why my
friends had to leave their countries to come here for safety! I mourn that they
suffered at the hands of the same people we are afraid of now!We
need to follow the Savior (or Allah) in loving one another and serving God by
living what we believe and not persecuting our fellowman unnecessarily. At
Christmas, give the gift of forgiveness and generosity of spirit.
"I went to Utah State and then transferred to BYU for graduate school... It
seemed that most everyone had one thought in mind--MARRIAGE."The
fact that many BYU students seem to be focused on marriage is nothing but a huge
positive in my mind. At every other university in the country, college students
engage in casual, premarital sex, or "hooking up" as it is now called. At BYU,
men and women are seeking and generally finding, marriage partners so that they
can have appropriate sexual relations in the context of the marriage
covenant--leaving behind the illegitimacy, social disorder, and possible disease
that comes with that other common university lifestyle. Nothing wrong with
that, and everything right with it... It is no wonder that people
who have a high moral code feel comfortable at BYU.
If you really think muslims haven't influenced the world (I hope that isn't true
- if so, our education system has failed you), you my want to do a little
reading about the Islamic Golden Age - if you're looking for names, you'll find
many. (Incidentally, before you wrote your poorly informed comment,
did you pause to think of the many thousands of muslims who have sacrificed
their lives fighting along side US servicemen in the Middle East?) - A BYU Grad
I'm reminded of Jay Evensen's editorial about the time BYU Jeruselem Center
students gave blood after a terrorist attack that killed and wounded
Palestinians. His Palestinian cab driver reportedly said, "Mormon blood is
Palestinian blood, and Palestinian blood is Mormon blood!"Incidentally, the LA times once published a very interesting article about the
friendly relationship shared by several prominent LDS and Islamic leaders. There are many differences between Christianity and Islam, but their
similarities are enlightening and it's certainly encouraging to read about some
of the friendships that are developing.
Please don't be an extremist Christian. Extremists typically lack understanding
(as is blatantly evident above). Instead, look deeper to see the
common bonds that build healthy bridges of understanding. It opens lines of
communication that lead to better understanding that lead to discussion that
lead to mutual respect. I respect your views and hope you can respect mine. If
we are well grounded we can handle such openness without taking offense or
shooting up walls built of terror.In my mind, the Bible neither
condones a tri-une God (John 17:11,21-22) nor demands allegiance to an
incomplete understanding of past truths (why the Jews rejected Jesus), but
instead it does appear to me to teach every true believer to love one another as
the Savior loves us. (John 15:12,17 and Luke 6:27). Love comes of
understanding. I can therefore say that I welcome openness and discussion
between Christians and Christians as well as between Christians and Muslems as
well as between Christians and Jews, or what have you. We are all children of
the One true God who is anxious for us to better communicate. Thank you DN for
this beneficial article.
There have been terrorists throughout history. But none of them can compare to
the level of atrocities that are commited in these times by MUSLIM terrorists.I
am only aware of "suicide" bomber terrorists that are muslim.Muslim terrorists
are much more organized than those in N.Ireland or the U.S. There is no real
goal behind islamic terror than simply they want everybody to convert to
Islam.And yet the muslim terrorists actually commit acts of destruction on other
muslims.It was muslims that gave us 9-11.It is muslims killing innocents in
Israel.It was a muslim that gunned downed military and civilians a few weeks ago
in Texas.And it was done in the name of Islam.No my friend,I believe that Islam
owns the terror of these times.
@One Question:Algebra.The way we write our numbers.Some aspects of medical care.Just three very significant
things off the top of my head.
What do you mean by "these times"? If you're searching for examples of
mind-numbing horror within the Western World, look to Nazi Germany - terror on
an almost unimaginable, industrialized scale. Sadly, that did not occur in the
distant past. Consider the slaughter of muslims by non-muslims in the former
Yugoslavian nations. To argue that radicalized Muslims are the only group that
has engaged in terrorism, you must ignore recent history.
How odd that an article about two nice, muslim kids studying at BYU gives rise
to a heated debate about terrorism. Pictures of nicely-groomed, studious boys
calls to mind images of dusty men carrying assault rifles. There's something
wrong with that. Something very, very wrong.
I was surprised that students of another religion would be allowed at BYU. What
about Jewish or Catholic hopefuls?
It has nothing to do with Islam, but evil people who use religion and poverty to
accomplish their means. Take a history lesson and you'll learn that it was the
exact same thing in the Middle Ages only the other way around. Muslims were the
cultured and thriving ones and the Christians committed unspeakable atrocities
on them. The Islamic religion itself is not the problem just as the Christian
religion wasn't the problem back then. Please separate the religions from those
who supposedly are believers in it.
@Significant commonalities; 1. Joseph Smith taught the Tri-une God of the
Nicence creed; "Which Father,Son, and Holy Ghost are ONE God,infinite and
eternal,without end Amen. (D&C 20:28)also see (2Nephi 31:21) then he changed his
mind.2. "Deletions and mis-translations". please give me specifics;
Manuscript and date,scripture verse of variant reading. I currently have the
Greek N.T. variants of the Gospels of John, Matthew,and the Epistles of
Galatians and quotes from 2nd century diciples(of the Apostles) and Church
Fathers,They would disagree with your assertion deletions. Your argument is one
silence. Mis-translations, show me and I will check the Greek translation.
Modern tranlations can be helpful, and in some cases better than the KJV. By
the way not everything Saint Paul wrote was inspired, like his laundry list.
First I hear that we think we're really similar to the Jewish. Now I hear we're
really similar to Muslims.This is just so neat!
You're kidding, right? BYU has many non-LDS students and even non-LDS
Students of all religions are welcomed at BYU as long as they agree to live by
the honor code. They do pay more in tuition, but it's still a great deal
considering the cost of college these days. I had classes with a lot of kids
who were not LDS. It simply didn't matter. My room mate was Jewish and my
friend who I grew up with was of no particular religious beliefs, but both came
to BYU and were welcomed and enjoyed studying there.
Thank you to Idaho Mike for showing us all what is inside the mind of a Palin
Surprised? What planet are you living on? There are many non-LDS that attend
BYU. I think that even means Catholic and Jew. Check it ut before you make such
a ridiculous comment.
First of all, this isn't the proper forum for a religious debate (but you're
drawing me in). Second of all, I suspect you're knowingly mis-characterizing
Smith's teachings (anyone who's read his writing knows what you've asserted is
not true). Thirdly, anyone who's studied the Bible knows it has been translated
many times and that there is much debate regarding those translations. The
Bible may have been inspried by The Almighty, but it was written by men for men
and it includes (as do all mankind's works) errors and omissions. Consider, for
example, books that are mentioned by the Bible but not included within it: Wars
of the Lord, Jasher, Acts of Solomon, Samuel the Seer, Gad the Seer, Nathan the
Prophet - the list continues and is extensive.
I enjoyed this article. I knew a Pakistani man who went to school in Utah County
(UVCC). His experience didn't end well after 9-11, but anything we can do to
build bridges should be promoted. I'm also troubled at the hatred displayed in
some comments, following this story.
As a Utah State student and now faculty member, I have been friends with many
Muslims over many years. The commonalities among the cultures is not a new
idea. Glad BYU is catching up. I have had very respectful
interactions with Muslims. Calling them a violent culture because of the
radical elements that get the news coverage is similar to calling all Mormons
polygamists because some polygamists refer to themselves a Mormons.
I can see the similarities. Both are worshiping made up gods based on Abrahamic
(if that is a word) traditions. Both religions view women as property. Both
religions would insist on everyone obeying them if they could get away with it.
to Anom 11:41amSurely you jest. When was the last time you read the
Nicean Creed...no scriptural evidence to support it but widely accepted. Yep
surely you jest
Many Muslims are good people, I have no problem believing that as they are all
sons and daughters of God. That being said, the religion is a repressive
abomination. Not all religions are the same, and not all have added value to
our world. In the case of Islam, it has added more evil than good in my
opinion, and we should not put it on an equal footing with the LDS religion as
this article does, this kind of a comparison is laughable in my opinion.
Anyone remember Oklahoma City? prior to 2001 our version of terroirsm was
domestic- indeed the Dept. of Justice had the great misfortune of submitting
their budget request on Sept. 10, 2001 to Congress- any guesses where
international terrorism ranked in their top 10 priorities- yeap not in them-
needless to say they asked for the request back and made it number 1- but the
point is domestic terrorism has always been a probelm and if you read the Dept.
of Justice assesments of late you will see a considerable concern over it again
in the last couple of years- but I am sure that is a left wing conspiracy as is
anything that does not comport with preferential views and stereotypes as we
Great article. It is nice to see a news story that, instead of being about
hatred and all the crimes that go along with it, is about a couple young men
with good values and enough applied intelligence to know how to find common
ground with their neighbors. Thanks, DMN.Lee:While there have
been some significnat recent events that may lead one to believe Muslims are
primarily responsible for terrorism in the world, you may want to take off the
blinders and look a little further around you. I think that
everyone would agree that Timothy McVeigh's act upon the Oklahoma Federal
Building was an act of terrorism. And I'm pretty sure he claims to be
Christian.And then we have the home grown KKK organization, who
demonstrated expert terroristic skills during the '60's and '70's, and still to
this day does their best to breed hatered and intimidate others. Isn't that
what terrorism is about? Pretty sure KKK members claim to be Cristian too. Can
you say burning cross?
"Low tuition?"That is interesting? Thank goodness for scholarships
or I wouldn't be able to afford it......LOL!!!
To One Question:The following Islamic scholars laid the foundation
for modern science: Abu Abdullah Muhammad ibn Muso al-Khorazmi
(Algorithmus) in the ninth century developed new procedures in mathematical
calculations and numerical systems, including algebra and algorithm; Abu
Ali-Abbos Ahmad al-Farghani (Alfragnus) in the ninth century resolved
significant problems in astronomy and geometry; Abu Rayhan Beruni (Beruny) in
the eleventh century contributed significant understandings in geography and
astronomy, including arguments for a geocentric system, which predated that of
Copernicus; Abu Ali ibn Sino (Avicenna) in the eleventh century advanced the
study of medicine; Mirzo Ulughbek, in the fifteenth century, engaged in
extensive astronomical observations with one of the world’s earliest
observatories. Indeed, Ulughbek used his observations to draw the world’s
first precise map of the known stars. I hope this helps.
Since Marriage is the most important decision you make in life and essentially
for salvation, I do not think there is anything wrong with caring a lot about
it. I do think that people at times need to spend more time planning
their marriage than their wedding, and at times impatience is a little too much,
but marriage is good.
BYU has long cultivated warm relations with Muslim peoples. BYU's Jerusalem
Center is a testament to that effort which required a strong relationship with
both Jewish and Muslim groups. BYU has created what they call their Islamic
Translation Series which has made available English translations of Islamic
texts. Three years ago Boyd K. Packer gave a stirring introduction for Dr. Alwi
Shihab of Indonesia prior to his forum address at BYU. You can find it on BYU's
website. Read it if you want to find out how church leadership feels about
"And the honor be to the Father,and to the Son,and to the Holy Ghost,which is
ONE God. Amen" Oliver Cowdery, David Whitmer, Martin Harris(from the final line
of the Testimony of Three witnesses)agree with Joseph Smith(D&C 20:,28)changed
his mind.Your list of non-canonical books: Some of the tests for
inclusion,(there are many more) Is it authenic?-The fathers had a policy of "in
doubt,throw it out.",Is it dynamic-did it come with the life-transforming power
of God. Was it received,collected and used?-was it accepted by the people of
God? Peter acknowledged Pauls's work as Scripture parallel to Old Testament
Scripture(2Peter 3:16)In (Acts 17:28,29 NIV)Paul quotes the Greek
poets,Epimendes and Aratus, why not include them in the Bible?
Many of the Christians who have posted comments need to read up a little on the
history of Christianity before they group all Muslims into "violent extremist"
box. Ever heard of the Inquisition? What about the Crusades (there were nine
of them)? Heck, what about the Missouri Extermination Order? Just good
Christian folk giving people they considered to be non-believers the option to
convert or be killed.
Women as Property??? Latter-day Saints view "women as property?" Are you
kidding me? How can you actually post comments like these with any iota of
integrity?Your post is one of the most absurd ever allowed to be
posted by a DNews moderator.
No, Andrew, "Americans" have not been taught that his religion is violent. More
specifically "Provincialism" may be teaching it.
Whoa-heated debate going on here over a feel good story about a 19 year old kid.
Well I went to a Catholic school here in the plains so have at me with whatever
hate you've got about those of us who did-start with the Inquisition if you'd
I too made friends with Muslims who were keen to become friends with me and
seemed genuine and warm.That was of course until the discussion
turned to Jews. It was then that I realized it was all a facade. With all this talk about looking for the things we have in common, pity
Muslims can't and wont extend that same consideration to Jews.In my
experience Muslims are tolerant until you disagree with them.PS...
since when did Mormons allow people of other faiths to talk about their
religious beliefs in a fast and testimony meetings? I know a Baptist minister
who would like to do the same.....
Modern terrorist techniques were developed by Jews. Was it Muslims in
the IRA (absolutely not), the Basque Seperatist movement (no again), bombing
Oklahoma City (no way at all). I could come up with some other
terrorist acts not done by Muslims, like the OAS killings in France and Algeria
to try to force France to not pull out and killings of nuns in El Salvador along
with hundreds of others. There are lots of terrorist acts that have been done
by people other than Muslims.
To Lee, You need to take basic math. There is an ENTIRE MISSION
in Indonesia. Indonesia is a Muslim country. There are missionaries in
Malasia. Malasia is also a Muslim Country. There are at least 3 missions in
Nigeria, some would count Nigeria as a Muslim country. So at least two,
maybe three or more Muslim countries hae missionaries working in them. I
believe the Church also has missionaries in Kazakstan, which is often considered
a Muslim country, and I know they have them in Albania, which is clearly
considered a Muslim Country, although whether it really is is harder to say,
since for 30 years it was an athiest country. Sierre Leone is also at
times counted as a Muslim country and there are missionaries there. So
there are lots of missionaries in Muslim Countries. Know what you are talking
about before you start talking.
To the 9:21 commentator, Among the more prominent Muslim scholars
have been Al-Ghazali, Al_Fabi was a muscian, philosopher and the like, Al-Kindi
was an astronomer, chemist, mathematician and so on. Ibn Rashd or Averroes was
the greatest philosopher of the 12th Century, far more advanced than any
Christian contemporary. I could go on. Suffice it to say that the greatest
scholars from the 9th to the 13th Century were all Muslims and that the Islamic
world was culturally and scientifically much more advanced than Europe at that
The Utah State commentator really shows that people prefer to hate near by.
BYU has had Muslim students for years. Hugh Nibley had a story from the 1970s
or 1980s about some of his Muslim students. The Mufti of Jerusalem's
children went to BYU in the 1990s. These men are by no stretch of the
imiagination the first BYU students who are Muslims. I knew multiple
Muslims at BYU and I was last there in 2004. If you want to build respect
worldwide, first build it in your own backyard by not turning an article that is
designed to open people's minds into a chance to try to claim people are behind
To the 11:41 commentator, First off, who views women as property more,
those who encorage them to respect themselves and not show off their bodies or
those who encorage them to go around in a string bikini so they can win a beauty
contest? I know that is putting things at the extremes, but so is your
comment. The claim that Latter-day Saints treat women as property is a
tired canard that has no basis in fact. It is not built on actual Mormon
theology, that is unique in teaching that a man can not be fully saved without a
wife. The claim that Muslims treat women as property would need to be
squared with the fact that Pakistan, a very Muslim country, has had a woman
leader and the United States has not. I think you are largely wrong on
both sides. Like I once did you have confused inner devotion for pressure. Lastly the LDS Church boldly proclaims the right of all man to worship God
in however they please. All LDS references to Employment Devision v. Smith I
have seen have decried this decision that banned religious smoking of peyote.
To the 2:41 commentator, I have heard many people who had not been
baptized speak in fast and testimony meeting. Either you have never been to
such a meeting or you do not understand them, I am going for the former.
Anyone can come to the front and speak. There is no checking and regulating
people before they come up.
Great article. And so nice to see that most comments are positive.
Missionaries might have presence in some countries with large Muslim
populations, but LDS missionaries are not to teach the Gospel to Muslims. Do you
want to guess why? Because members of the religion of peace kill family members
who convert to other religions.My brother served a mission in
Australia and they were given direction there not to teach Muslims... it is only
that much worse in countries with a predominant muslim population. Furthermore,
they have stopped sending european looking missionaries to some of the areas in
the countries you have mentioned because there is a perception they are
Americans and therefore targets.By the way, your comment about
anyone being able to speak at fast and testimony meetings. Fast and testimony
meeting is to bear a testimony. As church leaders have indicated, this should
have 4 parts. One, a testimony of the divinity of Jesus Christ as our Savior and
redeemer, two that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God, 3 that the Book of Mormon
is the word of God and that this is the restored Gospel of Jesus Christ. As a
Muslim cannot proclaim this, then the individuals comments should not be
expressed in this forum.
Mormon Testimony; not only could Muslims not express this nor could a
knowledgeable Christian.The Jesus of Mormonism is an exalted
man,Christians don't beleive that. The majority of Christians do not know who
Joseph Smith is and it does not matter ditto Book of Mormon,and
Mormonism(another Gospel) which is not in the Book of Mormon,but added later.The one thing Islam and Christianity have in common is they don't believe in
I love Talha and I am so glad that he is always willing to share his beliefs and
testimony with me. He's a great example of a Muslim and I'm glad he's here to
teach us all a lesson or two:)
Talha, you are amazing! that is all
whoaa-oh sameer dude you're awesome!
sameer you're an inspiration to us all ;)
Don't Mormon men all plan to become polygamists in the end? Become more like the
Muslims and beat their wives? Umm i think this is the great plan. It is a mans
religion and must WOMAN OBEY the priesthood! Till then you must stay sweet.
You obviously don't know about anything regarding the history of science math
and astronomy, etc.The Muslims in the Middle East were miles ahead
of the Europeans in every way, especially in math. Explorers and others took
back the knowledge they gathered in the Middle East and in Asia and used it to
encourage Europe's backward society to progress.Algebra, for
instance, comes from the Arabic word Al-jabr-wa. Muslims were the first to
develop and use algebraic equations. Muslims figured out that the
planets moved long before anyone else did (although based on writings by
Aristotle)Muslims in the Middle East were among the first to
successfully use knowledge on opthalmology and dental care. They were MUCH
cleaner and WAY more civilized than the Europeans. Hygiene was a foreign
concept to Europe.Although they did hit a wall and failed to
progress at a certain point, they DID contribute to society in a phenomenal way.
Unmatched by other cultures.Your bigotry is showing.
Had to check in to see whether this discussion had gone of the deep end. As
expected, it has - plenty of wildly inaccurate information about both Muslims
and Latter-Day Saints.
To Stay Sweet,Just read me to find out.
I have always respected the Muslim people for the way in which they live their
religion. They are very dedicated to their beliefs. They set a good example
I very much enjoyed reading this article. I love reading examples of people
standing up and living what they believe. I went to BYU six years
ago, didn't have the chance to interact with any Muslims, but I currently do on
a daily basis at my job in the bay area. As Muslims and Mormons both
believe in a final judgment, we will be judged on the basis of how much light
and truth we received in life. Nobody but God will judge. Of course as a Mormon,
I believe that before someone can be judged as "saved", they must have performed
certain ordinances, whether in this life or the next.To all the
posters commenting on violence/terrorism/Islam vs. Christianity, I'd suggest
reading jihadwatch dot org - gives a very interesting perspective - shows "in
their own words".
I would like to know more about Islam. I have not been taught that it is
violent, though I have observed that it is. I've been taught that it is the
religion of peace. But I have not observed that. I have met and heard of a
handful of Muslims (these two boys at the Y, Benazir Bhutto, a guy at a fotomat
named Mohammed, and a counselor at college) that have been positive Muslims.
The others I have met and read about in the news, scare the heck out of me.I have read parts of the Koran, and have found it to be contradictory
and violent in parts, very negative. I think there are several versions of it
out there. And I believe that "positive" Muslims have the Spirit of Christ in
them. I would like to hear someone who knows about the Muslim faith to
enlighten me...because like I said, I am not yet convinced that it is the
religion of peace.
I organized a lecture at my (LDS) Institute where we invited students from my
University's Muslim Student Association to give a lecture on some of the basic
tenets Islam. It had a huge turn out and was very sucessful. (If I were still in
school, I would probably repeat this experiment with other religious groups on
campus as well). Mormons and Muslims can relate in a lot of ways,
not the least of which is that we can both understand what it feels like to be
grossly misjudged by popular media and broader American culture. I can say that
as a committed latter-day saint, I was strengthened by the example of the Muslim
students I met. They helped me to live my religion in a secular environment, and
honor God more than man.
What a classy, gracious insight. Thank you!
Great article! I've met Sameer only a couple of times. I've always walked away a
better man after having a conversation with him!!!
There have been many Muslim scientists, like Avicenna and al Khayyam, and
others, and they advanced algebra, chemistry, medicine etc. but that is not the
point. We do have much in common with moderate Muslims and nothing in common
with extremist wahhab or shia ones. In general, there were many other religions
in Muslim controlled lands until these fanatics took control, even in Iraq and
Iran. We have to convert or kill these people, or they will surely do the same
Great insights, we all should expand our horizons more.